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(Mother Nature Network)   If your cat is suffering from colitis, you could hire a holistic vet trained in alternative healings to give your pet catupuncture. Or you could just take it back to the pound and get a new one that doesn't have colitis   (mnn.com) divider line 63
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2014-01-20 09:04:52 AM
Lipstick.
 
2014-01-20 09:08:20 AM
Ass.
 
2014-01-20 09:13:42 AM
If I was of Cambodian descent, I might find a spit and have dinner that night.
 
2014-01-20 09:15:20 AM
Your first indication that your cat has colitis might be the warm smell rising up through the air.
 
2014-01-20 09:17:00 AM
Let me save everyone some time and summarize TFA

My cat is sick so I'm taking it for acupuncture. No results yet but I'll update later if I see any.

Seriously. Was there a farking point to that?
 
2014-01-20 09:20:19 AM
Veterinarian said she needs a catiotomy.
 
2014-01-20 09:26:11 AM
basementrejects.com


Was it this guy?
 
2014-01-20 09:29:32 AM
Used to work with a guy named, "Kalidis". He was "non-productive" in the work place.
 
2014-01-20 09:30:20 AM
Yeah, try putting needles into my much loved 10lbs of pure evil...

You would be the one getting punctured.

i201.photobucket.com

Oh and for the record, you come off as a fad following failure of a female.
 
2014-01-20 09:36:10 AM
"Catupuncture" - veterinary technique for separating affluent morons from their money, by sticking needles into the morons' pussies.

Damn.  Isn't there any regular m/f, conventional porn these days? Why is it all this freaky, BDSM, furry, prostitution stuff?
 
2014-01-20 09:36:18 AM
Just get another cat; they are quite capable of putting needles in to each other.
 
2014-01-20 09:41:00 AM
When I was in vet tech school i did my practicum at a clinic which had a doctor trained in pet acupuncture. It's surprising how well cats, bunnies, etc take it so calmly. Almost like they know it will help.
 
2014-01-20 09:45:40 AM
Take it back to the pound?

OP obviously doesn't get the 'pet' thing.
 
2014-01-20 09:46:53 AM

baka-san: Yeah, try putting needles into my much loved 10lbs of pure evil...

You would be the one getting punctured.

[i201.photobucket.com image 640x480]

Oh and for the record, you come off as a fad following failure of a female.


Hahah yeah that's what I thought when I read the headline. Good luck with doing that to this

img.fark.net
She attacked a pitbull for no reason and whipped it's ass. She has no problems with attacking rooms full of people or dogs. Once again good luck with that catupuncture,hahahah fark no there's no way she'd claw you from head to toe.
 
2014-01-20 09:47:36 AM
Or you could just take it back to the pound and get a new one that doesn't have colitis

Subby sounds like a

img.fark.net
 
2014-01-20 09:48:05 AM

dopekitty74: When I was in vet tech school i did my practicum at a clinic which had a doctor trained in pet acupuncture. It's surprising how well cats, bunnies, etc take it so calmly. Almost like they know it will help.


Uh... it's acupuncture.  It  won't help.  But yes, domestic pets have a high tolerance for humans farking with them, especially after being manhandled by owners in various ways for most of their lives.  This is one of the reasons we bred those particular species as pets.

// Well, the bunnies are probably just seizing up in terror like they do all the time at every opportunity.
 
2014-01-20 09:48:25 AM
Dating an animal accupuncturist, so I'm really getting a kick...

She has anecdotes; apparently it's very helpful for animals that are sick the point of not being able to eat.  There are studies she cites that indicate better outcomes (high quality of life, for longer) when accompanied by "western medicine" (vs either types of treatments alone).  I make lots of unappreciated placebo jokes.

/$100 for 30 minutes, $1.00 overhead (needles).  Good for her!
//It's paying off her student loans
 
2014-01-20 09:51:48 AM
Acupuncture in humans is entirely placebo, but I'm sure cats won't notice the difference.

FTFA:

"Since Western medicine wasn't working, I decided to try the kind of healing I use for myself (I use Western medicine for diagnosis only, not treatment, after a couple downright awful situations with traditional doctors, coupled with effective and complete healing of some issues using herbs)."

There's so much unspoken baggage here we need a cart for it. I'm just sorry her cat has to suffer because she doesn't understand how medicine works.
 
2014-01-20 09:54:51 AM

fazookus: Take it back to the pound?

OP obviously doesn't get the 'pet' thing.


Definition of PET
1
a :  a pampered and usually spoiled child b :  a person who is treated with unusual kindness or consideration :
2
:  a domesticated animal kept for pleasure rather than utility

I think the OP gets it better than you do unless you find pleasure in bloody cat feces. NTTAWT. (There really is something wrong with that)
 
2014-01-20 09:57:52 AM
I wish there were a pound for humans because most of you would be in it.
Pounds are for humans not animals.
Love my kitties and doggies.  They live better than any of you LOL haha
 
2014-01-20 10:06:15 AM
My cat may have colitis.  But since it can't talk and shiats outside I will probably never know for sure.
 
2014-01-20 10:06:32 AM

hstein3: Acupuncture in humans is entirely placebo, but I'm sure cats won't notice the difference.

FTFA:

"Since Western medicine wasn't working, I decided to try the kind of healing I use for myself (I use Western medicine for diagnosis only, not treatment, after a couple downright awful situations with traditional doctors, coupled with effective and complete healing of some issues using herbs)."

There's so much unspoken baggage here we need a cart for it. I'm just sorry her cat has to suffer because she doesn't understand how medicine works.


I gave acupuncture to a crippled basset hound, and it was able to get up and walk for another year.  The second time it didn't work, so maybe the placebo effect wasn't working the second time.  Unfortunately, many of the acupuncturists graduating these days don't have good technique.  Your bald "Acupuncture in humans is entirely placebo" is just not correct.
 
2014-01-20 10:07:38 AM

Lee451: Or you could just take it back to the pound and get a new one that doesn't have colitis

Subby sounds like a

[img.fark.net image 850x677]


Let's take subby back to the pound and get a new one.
 
2014-01-20 10:09:36 AM

farkmedown: [img.fark.net image 850x677]


Or have him euthanized? To me, a pet is a lifelong commitment, no matter what. It's children you should be able to return if you still have the receipt.
 
2014-01-20 10:11:03 AM

dopekitty74: When I was in vet tech school i did my practicum at a clinic which had a doctor trained in pet acupuncture. It's surprising how well cats, bunnies, etc take it so calmly. Almost like they know it will help.


There's published double blind research that shows it works on rabbits and horses, and it's a standard therapeutic treatment for a long list of human ailments that are hard to treat with direct intervention--insurance will cover it in a lot of places, even, just like massage and physical therapy(which is a TOTAL pseudoscientific sham, btw, on par with homeopathy)-- and yet bring acupuncture up on Fark and the pearl clutching that goes on is just... immense.

like this:

hstein3: Acupuncture in humans is entirely placebo, but I'm sure cats won't notice the difference.

FTFA:

"Since Western medicine wasn't working, I decided to try the kind of healing I use for myself (I use Western medicine for diagnosis only, not treatment, after a couple downright awful situations with traditional doctors, coupled with effective and complete healing of some issues using herbs)."

There's so much unspoken baggage here we need a cart for it. I'm just sorry her cat has to suffer because she doesn't understand how medicine works.



That is just some top shelf head-in-a-bucket reflexive rejection/willfull ignorance irony right there. Great stuff. Almost as good as a circumcision thread.
 
2014-01-20 10:15:04 AM
My cat has colitis. After spending thousands of dollars at the vet over a couple of years trying to figure out wtf was wrong and how to fix it, and most trips ending with them giving me ~$50 worth of probiotics stuff in various forms(nasty paste I had to inject in his mouth, pills he wouldn't take, etc) I spent $25 on a bottle of probiotics powder that I mix like 1/8 tsp in his food each day. The problem went away completely and he's been fine for the past 3 years or so. There has been a stray episode here and there but NOTHING compared to what the poor guy was going through before.

tl;dr if your cat has colitis and you're at your wits end/end of your bank account, try Dr Goodpet Prebiotics and Probiotics.
 
2014-01-20 10:16:51 AM
If your cat is suffering from colitis, you could hire a holistic vet

And, if your cat goes missing, be sure to hire a holistic detective...

www.panmacmillan.com
 
2014-01-20 10:18:05 AM
Great, now I've got that Beatles song in my head...

"The cat with colitis goes by..."
 
2014-01-20 10:23:38 AM
Needles go where?
 
2014-01-20 10:29:25 AM

Billy Bathsalt: Your bald "Acupuncture in humans is entirely placebo" is just not correct.

willfullyobscure: That is just some top shelf head-in-a-bucket reflexive rejection/willfull ignorance irony right there. Great stuff. Almost as good as a circumcision thread.


Clinical trials which include proper controls, including a "sham acupuncture" group (usually in the form of either needles being inserted randomly instead of systematically or needles not being inserted at all, only poking the skin) consistently find that "real" acupuncture shows no benefit over the "sham" treatments. That leaves placebo.

The medical community is not "willfully ignorant" in this regard. You think doctors wouldn't love a method of effective relief for chronic pain that required no medication? That would be revolutionary. It'd cut into prescription drug abuse, it'd simplify decisions based around drug interaction, and it would eliminate unwanted side effects.

So don't think that acupuncture is ignored because of "reflexive rejection." It's ignored because properly controlled studies find it to be without merit.
 
2014-01-20 10:36:37 AM

willfullyobscure: There's published double blind research that shows it works on rabbits and horses, and it's a standard therapeutic treatment for a long list of human ailments that are hard to treat with direct intervention--insurance will cover it in a lot of places, even, just like massage and physical therapy(which is a TOTAL pseudoscientific sham, btw, on par with homeopathy)-- and yet bring acupuncture up on Fark and the pearl clutching that goes on is just... immense.


Want to try some citations with that load of bullshiat, maybe?

I assume the answer is probably "no" since once you start that game you're going to be absolutely swamped in links to actual research showing that acupuncture does fark-all, but I figured I'd offer.

Here, I'll even get you started:
Acupuncture has equivalent effect to a hot blanket:

Z Bing, L Villanueva, D Le Bars
Acupuncture and diffuse noxious inhibitory controls: naloxone-reversible depression of activities of trigeminal convergent neurons
Neuroscience, 70 (1990), pp. 809-818


A review of all studies from 1995 to 2003 finds that massage is a fairly effective treatment for back pain, chiropracty has a small effect but nothing anywhere near massage/PT, and actupuncture does absolutely nothing:

A review of the evidence for the effectiveness, safety, and cost of acupuncture, massage therapy, and spinal manipulation for back pain
DC Cherkin, KJ Sherman, RA Dey - Annals of internal medicine, 2003


A meta-review of 69 studies on the subject of pain relief.  Spoiler: The answer to the question in the study title ends up being "no":

Jeanette Ezzoa, Brian Bermana, Victoria A Hadhazya, Corresponding author contact information, E-mail the corresponding author, Alejandro R Jadadb, c, Lixing Laoa, Betsy B Singhd, "Is acupuncture effective for the treatment of chronic pain? A systematic review", Pain (Elseiver medical journal) Volume 86, Issue 3, 1 June 2000

And that's just for acupuncture for  pain, which is the closest to being legit that acupuncture claims ever get (making it all the way up to "maybe kinda arguable".  Acupuncture for inflammation of the bowels is way out there in "purging your thetans to get in touch with your clam ancestors" territory, science-wise.
 
2014-01-20 10:37:01 AM
Author is an idiot.

Subby is an asshole.

I know, "Welcome to Fark."
 
2014-01-20 10:37:15 AM

hstein3: Billy Bathsalt: Your bald "Acupuncture in humans is entirely placebo" is just not correct.

willfullyobscure: That is just some top shelf head-in-a-bucket reflexive rejection/willfull ignorance irony right there. Great stuff. Almost as good as a circumcision thread.

Clinical trials which include proper controls, including a "sham acupuncture" group (usually in the form of either needles being inserted randomly instead of systematically or needles not being inserted at all, only poking the skin) consistently find that "real" acupuncture shows no benefit over the "sham" treatments. That leaves placebo.

The medical community is not "willfully ignorant" in this regard. You think doctors wouldn't love a method of effective relief for chronic pain that required no medication? That would be revolutionary. It'd cut into prescription drug abuse, it'd simplify decisions based around drug interaction, and it would eliminate unwanted side effects.

So don't think that acupuncture is ignored because of "reflexive rejection." It's ignored because properly controlled studies find it to be without merit.


Yet you don't cite a single study...
 
2014-01-20 10:41:14 AM

Billy Bathsalt: Yet you don't cite a single study...


Heh, beat you by a minute there on post time just to make you look dumb.

Since you're a woo-believer type, does that count as unarguable evidence that I have precognitive powers?
 
2014-01-20 10:56:58 AM

Jim_Callahan: dopekitty74: When I was in vet tech school i did my practicum at a clinic which had a doctor trained in pet acupuncture. It's surprising how well cats, bunnies, etc take it so calmly. Almost like they know it will help.

Uh... it's acupuncture.  It  won't help.  But yes, domestic pets have a high tolerance for humans farking with them, especially after being manhandled by owners in various ways for most of their lives.  This is one of the reasons we bred those particular species as pets.

// Well, the bunnies are probably just seizing up in terror like they do all the time at every opportunity.


Acupuncture does indeed help a lot of people with a variety of issues, just because it's not "modern" medicine, doesn't mean it's invalid.
 
2014-01-20 10:59:06 AM

Jim_Callahan: Billy Bathsalt: Yet you don't cite a single study...

Heh, beat you by a minute there on post time just to make you look dumb.

Since you're a woo-believer type, does that count as unarguable evidence that I have precognitive powers?


Let me ask all my friends that have been saved by modern wonderful chemotherapy...  Oh wait, they're all dead.
 
2014-01-20 10:59:23 AM

Billy Bathsalt: Yet you don't cite a single study...


No problem, although the author of this piece cites a few dozen references. Chasing them all down might take a while.
 
2014-01-20 11:09:06 AM

Billy Bathsalt: Your bald "Acupuncture in humans is entirely placebo" is just not correct.


accupuncture is just as effective as homeopathic medicine and the Power Of Prayer™


LOL
 
2014-01-20 11:12:21 AM

dogslobber buttlube: I wish there were a pound for humans because most of you would be in it.
Pounds are for humans not animals.
Love my kitties and doggies.  They live better than any of you LOL haha


I really doubt that, considering your Fark handle you sick freak!
 
2014-01-20 11:12:50 AM

dopekitty74: Jim_Callahan: dopekitty74: When I was in vet tech school i did my practicum at a clinic which had a doctor trained in pet acupuncture. It's surprising how well cats, bunnies, etc take it so calmly. Almost like they know it will help.

Uh... it's acupuncture.  It  won't help.  But yes, domestic pets have a high tolerance for humans farking with them, especially after being manhandled by owners in various ways for most of their lives.  This is one of the reasons we bred those particular species as pets.

// Well, the bunnies are probably just seizing up in terror like they do all the time at every opportunity.

Acupuncture does indeed help a lot of people with a variety of issues, just because it's not "modern" medicine, doesn't mean it's invalid.


When I was a teen I used to practice "light work" therapy and that relieved a decent amount of back pain in my clients. I've known people for whom magic and prayer have brought relief from illness. I'm okay with placebo if they make people happy. There should just be a limit to how much people should pay or forego real medicine in the pursuit of placebo. $20 for an accupuncture session? Power to the accupuncturists!

/frankly I'd be afraid to get stuck by needles at a place that cheap
 
2014-01-20 11:13:06 AM

dopekitty74: Acupuncture does indeed help a lot of people with a variety of issues, just because it's not "modern" medicine, doesn't mean it's invalid.


No, it's invalid because it's been tested to see if it works, and it turns out it doesn't.

This isn't really that complicated, acupuncturists made claims, medical scientists tested them (mostly from about 1995 to 2003), statisticians looked over the results of hundreds of studies (review articles mostly date from 2003 to 2006) and it turned out that the claims were false.

A lot of work for a null result, but, again, not particularly hard to comprehend.  We tested it... it doesn't work.  End of story.

Billy Bathsalt: Let me ask all my friends that have been saved by modern wonderful chemotherapy...  Oh wait, they're all dead.


Chemotherapy isn't really the best thing in the universe, it's sort of the last thing you try before you give up and wait to die/hope for luck.  That said, it's saved a lot more lives than trying to treat cancer via acupuncture, since, y'know, even the woo folk usually don't claim needles cure cancer.
 
2014-01-20 11:31:36 AM
farkmedown typed above, not that long ago,
Let's take subby back to the pound and get a new one. Second that motion!
 
2014-01-20 11:33:20 AM
I know some of you are claiming placebo effect for acupuncture in humans, but i'm pretty sure no such placebo effect works on animals, but yet acupuncture genuinely helps some.
 
2014-01-20 11:34:46 AM

Lee451: farkmedown: [img.fark.net image 850x677]

Or have him euthanized? To me, a pet is a lifelong commitment, no matter what. It's children you should be able to return if you still have the receipt.


THIS
Taking a sick animal to the pound is shirking your responsibilities. Some other poor schmuck, who already has to deal with 100s of animals on death row, now also has to deal with disease control because of your irresponsibility.

When I was a teen I used to practice "light work" therapy and that relieved a decent amount of back pain in my clients. I've known people for whom magic and prayer have brought relief from illness. I'm okay with placebo if they make people happy. There should just be a limit to how much people should pay or forego real medicine in the pursuit of placebo. $20 for an accupuncture session? Power to the accupuncturists!

I had a friend that did "energy work". You could see her clients give themselves permission to relax and told her how much more energetic they felt afterwards. A short nap would have probably done the same (if they could relax enough to sleep). Some people need the external excuse.
 
2014-01-20 11:39:10 AM

dopekitty74: I know some of you are claiming placebo effect for acupuncture in humans, but i'm pretty sure no such placebo effect works on animals, but yet acupuncture genuinely helps some.


Why not?  I think a cat or a dog can make the association
sick -> go to strange place -> strange man does things to me -> go home -> not sick
 
2014-01-20 11:47:55 AM

dopekitty74: I know some of you are claiming placebo effect for acupuncture in humans, but i'm pretty sure no such placebo effect works on animals, but yet acupuncture genuinely helps some.


If acupuncture is only placebo in humans, animal physiology won't be so different as to make it effective in horses and dogs but not humans.

Nonetheless, in the case of animals, the placebo effect would most likely be working on the humans, not the animals. That is to say, the pet owner is more likely to notice an improvement, or at least interpret symptoms as an improvement, and attribute it to the treatment. Most of these situations are likely a regression to the mean; the animal is improving on its own (or on the basis of some other, concurrent treatment) but the owner attributes it to something else. This is not uncommon in human medicine, too.
 
2014-01-20 11:54:46 AM
Trying to poke a cat with needles would make for hillarious video.
 
2014-01-20 11:55:56 AM

hstein3: dopekitty74: I know some of you are claiming placebo effect for acupuncture in humans, but i'm pretty sure no such placebo effect works on animals, but yet acupuncture genuinely helps some.

If acupuncture is only placebo in humans, animal physiology won't be so different as to make it effective in horses and dogs but not humans.

Nonetheless, in the case of animals, the placebo effect would most likely be working on the humans, not the animals. That is to say, the pet owner is more likely to notice an improvement, or at least interpret symptoms as an improvement, and attribute it to the treatment. Most of these situations are likely a regression to the mean; the animal is improving on its own (or on the basis of some other, concurrent treatment) but the owner attributes it to something else. This is not uncommon in human medicine, too.


Yeah, that too.
 
2014-01-20 12:04:43 PM

tillerman35: Your first indication that your cat has colitis might be the warm smell rising up through the air.


I hate the farkin' Eagles, man!
 
2014-01-20 12:14:27 PM

FrancoFile: dopekitty74: I know some of you are claiming placebo effect for acupuncture in humans, but i'm pretty sure no such placebo effect works on animals, but yet acupuncture genuinely helps some.

Why not?  I think a cat or a dog can make the association
sick -> go to strange place -> strange man does things to me -> go home -> not sick


Placebo effect works on small children but it's not always the treatment (pill etc). Often the true mediator of the placebo is the way the parent, researcher or health practitioner treats the patient after the placebo. That's why the best studies must be double-blind.

If you act blah towards your child/pet and treat them like a sickly donothing, they often feel worse than if you are optimistic and happy towards them because you believe they are getting better.
 
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