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(Cleveland Plain Dealer)   Obvious: Police sued for not arresting drunk driver. Weird: Police sued by family of drunk driver. WTF: Ohio police sued for leaving drunken driver who was Mexican at Taco Bell shortly before he was killed   (cleveland.com) divider line 62
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2014-01-20 06:37:38 AM
MMmmmm tasty tasty negligence...
 
2014-01-20 06:38:13 AM
Can't be true. Fark gourmets have told me that Mexicans have a wonderful culinary culture, so there is no way one would be caught dead eating at the Bell.
 
2014-01-20 06:38:17 AM
So basically, they pick him up, decide to drop him off at Taco Bell, and he gets hit by a car while on foot and dies?

It's like a bad Reno 911 skit.
 
2014-01-20 06:40:28 AM
He was Mexican at Taco Bell, what was he before they dropped him off?
 
2014-01-20 06:44:54 AM
Old story.
 
2014-01-20 06:44:58 AM

stuhayes2010: He was Mexican at Taco Bell, what was he before they dropped him off?


I don't know, but European.
 
2014-01-20 06:45:35 AM
The Rosarita  Refried Beans  would have gotten him soon enough.
 
2014-01-20 06:53:21 AM
Uh...huh...um..wow.

Well, hard to decide how to feel on this one.  Yeah, they should have taken him to jail and added a criminal record and perhaps deportation...but they decided to set him free after he (apparently) told them he would call for a ride thereby potentially saving him and his family thousands of dollars in court fees, etc.

I don't know...this is difficult.
 
2014-01-20 06:53:46 AM
The officers were just trying to bring him to the border...
 
2014-01-20 06:54:52 AM
Wrong delivery.
 
2014-01-20 06:55:19 AM
I think which side did right can be asserted by one question:  Was the restaurant on the same side of the road as his truck?
 
2014-01-20 07:00:03 AM

p4p3rm4t3: MMmmmm tasty tasty negligence...


When they follow the rules to the letter and show no leniency, they get called fascist authoritarians. And when they bend the rules and give someone a break, they get called negligent. Glad I'm not a cop.
 
2014-01-20 07:12:51 AM
having had my share of run ins with johnny law. if I was that dude and the police were kind enough for whatever reason to not charge me and take me to jail, but instead drop me off at a fast food restaurant, but I was still so farked up that I insisted on killing myself anyway, I would still thank the police from beyond the grave.
/it's early, comma, period, punctuation, whatever.
 
2014-01-20 07:18:49 AM

p4p3rm4t3: MMmmmm tasty tasty negligence...


Police have total discretion. Technically they don't have to do anything
 
2014-01-20 07:25:18 AM
~~The Cincinnati lawyer representing Juarez-Popoca's family, prominent civil-rights attorney profiteer Al Gerhardstein

And we're done.
 
2014-01-20 07:37:02 AM
"especially considering that his legal status in the country was in question "

so he was in this country illegally and also drunk driving.  He should be in prison, not the morgue.  But they probably have memos to not pick up that many illegals.
 
2014-01-20 07:38:55 AM

Son of Thunder: "When they follow the rules to the letter and show no leniency, they get called fascist authoritarians.

"

Exactly. And, in this case, this aspect was going to be amplified by the baiters.  "Lose-lose" is a sad predicament we've put them in.
 
2014-01-20 07:56:41 AM
I couple of retired police officers in my Lions club tell stories of not wanting to do paper work on drunks during third shift so they would just drive him to another jurisdiction.  Guess some guys wound up going town to town to town as each department passed the buck
 
2014-01-20 07:57:38 AM
This could not have happened the way the family claims. Fark has assured me that cops upon approaching a non-enlish speaking person, would have immediately shot him and claimed falsely that he was coming right at them.
 
2014-01-20 07:57:54 AM
Cops should go with what they know, and drop him off at a Dunkin' Donuts.


/Sorry if that offends the natives of Coplandia or Policeistan.
 
2014-01-20 08:15:30 AM
People who kill themselves while drunk deserve the Darwin Award (too late, since he has kids).  That award should go with palm if you are part of a culture which can't drink anything w/o getting drunk.  Maybe a third award for being here illegally.  Yay NAFTA!
 
2014-01-20 08:18:05 AM
It's a bad day for the 50 children of Slow Poke Rodriguez
 
2014-01-20 08:32:18 AM
Whatchoo Talkinbout: : ~~The Cincinnati lawyer representing Juarez-Popoca's family, prominent civil-rights attorney profiteer Al Gerhardstein. And we're done.

mediad.publicbroadcasting.net
Al Gerhardstien. Specializes in helping convicted felons sue the state, gay rights and discrimination cases.

He has a short list of seminars that he gave under his resume. Link One of them is entitled "Making a Buck While Making a Difference," another is "Hate Crime Panelist" for the scandal plagued Cincinnati "Freedom Center". I suppose he was the token white guy.

The police aren't the menace to society here, this dude is.
 
2014-01-20 08:36:30 AM
Should have dropped the victim off at a nearby rich person's house.

Be honest, have you ever heard of a Mexican dying is a drunk landscaping (or tomato picking) accident?
 
2014-01-20 08:52:55 AM
Back in my early 20s I got pulled over while absolutely shiatfaced once.  I somehow managed to talk my way out of it, and the guy let me go with a warning (for speeding).  But holy fark was that officer negligent for either not noticing how drunk I was or for not caring enough to get me off the streets.  Was a real wake up call for me to stop doing that shiat though.

In this case, I'll stand by them.  They got the guy away from his car, which is the important part.  He stopped being a danger to others and became only a danger to himself.  Taking him all the way home would have been nice, but above and beyond.
I dunno, maybe they should have called him a taxi and giving him the choice of going to jail (and maybe being deported) or paying for the taxi.
 
2014-01-20 08:55:43 AM

Cheron: I couple of retired police officers in my Lions club tell stories of not wanting to do paper work on drunks during third shift so they would just drive him to another jurisdiction.  Guess some guys wound up going town to town to town as each department passed the buck


Here they just dump them in our ER for us to babysit and listen to them scream and shout obscenities all night while Grandma and little Joey are in the adjacent cubicles be treated and having to be subjected to their shenanigans.
 
2014-01-20 08:58:14 AM
It sounds like the bigger problem for the cops is going to be the calls AFTER they left him at the Taco Bell.  Apparently the store manager called when he left to walk home, and then several other motorists called about him walking along the highway, and he didn't get hit until 50 minutes later.  Saying they expected him to call a ride doesn't really apply after multiple calls saying he didn't.

Still not sure it was their problem, but if they wouldn't normally ignore that for so long, and weren't otherwise busy, it's a little more than just not taking him in.  It does seem a bit odd they let him go without calling anyone.  Did they even take the truck so he couldn't go back to it?
 
2014-01-20 09:02:33 AM

drgloryboy: Cheron: I couple of retired police officers in my Lions club tell stories of not wanting to do paper work on drunks during third shift so they would just drive him to another jurisdiction.  Guess some guys wound up going town to town to town as each department passed the buck

Here they just dump them in our ER for us to babysit and listen to them scream and shout obscenities all night while Grandma and little Joey are in the adjacent cubicles be treated and having to be subjected to their shenanigans.


I think I might prefer the drunk neighbor to other options.  Screaming babys are loud in the ERs too, but at least random drunk guy is probably not infecting you with a repeat visit for next week.
 
2014-01-20 09:02:40 AM

BolshyGreatYarblocks: People who kill themselves while drunk deserve the Darwin Award (too late, since he has kids).  That award should go with palm if you are part of a culture which can't drink anything w/o getting drunk.  Maybe a third award for being here illegally.  Yay NAFTA!


OK, Darwin Award with facepalm cluster.
 
2014-01-20 09:07:04 AM

serial_crusher: Back in my early 20s I got pulled over while absolutely shiatfaced once.  I somehow managed to talk my way out of it, and the guy let me go with a warning (for speeding).  But holy fark was that officer negligent for either not noticing how drunk I was or for not caring enough to get me off the streets.  Was a real wake up call for me to stop doing that shiat though.


Or, more likely, he saw that you realized you had screwed up.

There are some decent officers out there who would rather put the obvious "screw you and society!" types in jail than people who have made an error and realize it.
 
2014-01-20 09:15:57 AM
it's a WTF moment that there was a mexican at a taco bell?
 
2014-01-20 09:17:52 AM

Son of Thunder: And when they bend the rules and give someone a break, they get called negligent


Plop him in the drunk tank and let him out tomorrow (or as soon as someone comes to get him).  You don't need to charge him and wreck up his life if you bring him in.  Dilema solved.  There was NO reason to abandon him at a taco bell other than, "We thought it would be funny when we told our friends on the force we took him home lol." *High Fives*
 
2014-01-20 09:18:45 AM

Wodheila: Son of Thunder: "When they follow the rules to the letter and show no leniency, they get called fascist authoritarians."

Exactly. And, in this case, this aspect was going to be amplified by the baiters.  "Lose-lose" is a sad predicament we've put them in.


Are you saying that S.O.T.'s claim isn't true? That sentiment is definitely not tied only to race-baiters. I'm a privileged, white, male with an unreasonable sense of entitlement, and a myopic world view...and I still think that most cops are fascists.

In this instance, I look forward to the impending dismissal of this case without so much as an internal review or paid leave during some hollow investigation. The family is just trying to turn the rare case of a break into a payday.
 
2014-01-20 09:20:12 AM

ErinPac: drgloryboy: Cheron: I couple of retired police officers in my Lions club tell stories of not wanting to do paper work on drunks during third shift so they would just drive him to another jurisdiction.  Guess some guys wound up going town to town to town as each department passed the buck

Here they just dump them in our ER for us to babysit and listen to them scream and shout obscenities all night while Grandma and little Joey are in the adjacent cubicles be treated and having to be subjected to their shenanigans.

I think I might prefer the drunk neighbor to other options.  Screaming babys are loud in the ERs too, but at least random drunk guy is probably not infecting you with a repeat visit for next week.


No they dump the same repeat offenders day in day out. Sometimes I joke with the cops and ask "jails full again tonight?"
 
2014-01-20 09:23:55 AM

That Guy...From That Show!: serial_crusher: Back in my early 20s I got pulled over while absolutely shiatfaced once.  I somehow managed to talk my way out of it, and the guy let me go with a warning (for speeding).  But holy fark was that officer negligent for either not noticing how drunk I was or for not caring enough to get me off the streets.  Was a real wake up call for me to stop doing that shiat though.

Or, more likely, he saw that you realized you had screwed up.

There are some decent officers out there who would rather put the obvious "screw you and society!" types in jail than people who have made an error and realize it.


I understand that, but by driving the rest of the way home (about 5 miles) I was taking a lot of risks. The lesson didn't really set in until the next morning.
 
2014-01-20 09:24:16 AM

WhoGAS: Uh...huh...um..wow.

Well, hard to decide how to feel on this one.  Yeah, they should have taken him to jail and added a criminal record and perhaps deportation...but they decided to set him free after he (apparently) told them he would call for a ride thereby potentially saving him and his family thousands of dollars in court fees, etc.

I don't know...this is difficult.


No, it's quite easy.

Damned if you do and damned if you don't.
 
2014-01-20 09:30:32 AM
Coulda been worse.... he coulda EATEN at Taco Bell... the suffering would have been far longer, but just as deadly
 
2014-01-20 09:45:36 AM

Son of Thunder: p4p3rm4t3: MMmmmm tasty tasty negligence...

When they follow the rules to the letter and show no leniency, they get called fascist authoritarians. And when they bend the rules and give someone a break, they get called negligent. Glad I'm not a cop.


Exactly...
 
2014-01-20 09:50:27 AM
My outrage depends on 2 things

how many bigbox stores and burger places did the cops pass, and did they they buy any tacos
 
2014-01-20 09:52:15 AM
FTA: "An attorney for the patrolman said the discrimination allegations are ludicrous and that the officers gave Juarez-Popoca "a major break" by letting him go, especially considering that his legal status in the country was in question. "

Translation: you're lucky we didn't just shoot him, because we haven't got time for that.
 
2014-01-20 09:55:09 AM

Whatchoo Talkinbout: ~~The Cincinnati lawyer representing Juarez-Popoca's family, prominent civil-rights attorney profiteer Al Gerhardstein

And we're done.


I would immediately check the immigration status of the entire family and deport them if they are here illegally. Send the shyster with them.
 
2014-01-20 10:02:03 AM
arrest and deport his family on the first day they show up for court.
 
2014-01-20 10:12:02 AM

Lee451: Whatchoo Talkinbout: ~~The Cincinnati lawyer representing Juarez-Popoca's family, prominent civil-rights attorney profiteer Al Gerhardstein

And we're done.

I would immediately check the immigration status of the entire family and deport them if they are here illegally. Send the shyster with them.


According to TFA, his whole family lives a little south of Mexico City and he was sending money to them so there is no family here to deport. If the cops wanted to drop him off so he could call someone, they needed to wait until he actually did make a phone call, not let him off in a parking lot with a "see ya".

A family member got picked up when he was pulled over to the side of the road (he threw the keys on the dash). The cops took him in and impounded his car, called a family member to pick him up, and let him go with no charges or anything. Proper non-fascist procedure for handling the situation for the safety of all concerned, while giving a first-timer a break.
 
2014-01-20 10:13:14 AM
Mmmmhmmm indeed, if Mr. Popaca had in fact killed somebody before the officer's could even arrive to take him to Taco Bell, then where would he be?  Headed over the border, that's where. He would have taken absolutely no responsibility for his actions, nor would his family.  I hope that the jury is sick and tired of supporting people who come here to this country illegally and award nothing, plus back charge the family for attorney fees..
 
2014-01-20 10:35:43 AM

bigbobowski: having had my share of run ins with johnny law. if I was that dude and the police were kind enough for whatever reason to not charge me and take me to jail, but instead drop me off at a fast food restaurant, but I was still so farked up that I insisted on killing myself anyway, I would still thank the police from beyond the grave.
/it's early, comma, period, punctuation, whatever.


Same here.

A: Ohio.

B: Police.

But the guy got his own self killed. Can't give one drop of outrage to the police. They done good, for once, but stupid's a terminal illness and there ain't no cure.
 
2014-01-20 11:24:14 AM

drgloryboy: ErinPac: drgloryboy: Cheron: I couple of retired police officers in my Lions club tell stories of not wanting to do paper work on drunks during third shift so they would just drive him to another jurisdiction.  Guess some guys wound up going town to town to town as each department passed the buck

Here they just dump them in our ER for us to babysit and listen to them scream and shout obscenities all night while Grandma and little Joey are in the adjacent cubicles be treated and having to be subjected to their shenanigans.

I think I might prefer the drunk neighbor to other options.  Screaming babys are loud in the ERs too, but at least random drunk guy is probably not infecting you with a repeat visit for next week.

No they dump the same repeat offenders day in day out. Sometimes I joke with the cops and ask "jails full again tonight?"


Still not as likely to infect me with the crud of the week, and hopefully I wouldn't be there enough to care or know if the neighboring patients are regulars.
 
2014-01-20 11:25:52 AM

Pangea: Wodheila: Son of Thunder: "When they follow the rules to the letter and show no leniency, they get called fascist authoritarians."

Exactly. And, in this case, this aspect was going to be amplified by the baiters.  "Lose-lose" is a sad predicament we've put them in.

Are you saying that S.O.T.'s claim isn't true? That sentiment is definitely not tied only to race-baiters. I'm a privileged, white, male with an unreasonable sense of entitlement, and a myopic world view...and I still think that most cops are fascists.

In this instance, I look forward to the impending dismissal of this case without so much as an internal review or paid leave during some hollow investigation. The family is just trying to turn the rare case of a break into a payday.


Apparently they already got fired over it.
 
2014-01-20 11:40:26 AM

Son of Thunder: p4p3rm4t3: MMmmmm tasty tasty negligence...

When they follow the rules to the letter and show no leniency, they get called fascist authoritarians. And when they bend the rules and give someone a break, they get called negligent. Glad I'm not a cop.


This.

Also, the cops involved have already been fired for dereliction of duty. What exactly do people want them to do? Consult the Oracle of Delphi before every arrest to see every possible outcome?
 
2014-01-20 11:54:59 AM

Delta1212: Pangea: Wodheila: Son of Thunder: "When they follow the rules to the letter and show no leniency, they get called fascist authoritarians."

Exactly. And, in this case, this aspect was going to be amplified by the baiters.  "Lose-lose" is a sad predicament we've put them in.

Are you saying that S.O.T.'s claim isn't true? That sentiment is definitely not tied only to race-baiters. I'm a privileged, white, male with an unreasonable sense of entitlement, and a myopic world view...and I still think that most cops are fascists.

In this instance, I look forward to the impending dismissal of this case without so much as an internal review or paid leave during some hollow investigation. The family is just trying to turn the rare case of a break into a payday.

Apparently they already got fired over it.


Well, so much for my theory. Heh.
 
2014-01-20 12:05:18 PM

ErinPac: It sounds like the bigger problem for the cops is going to be the calls AFTER they left him at the Taco Bell.  Apparently the store manager called when he left to walk home, and then several other motorists called about him walking along the highway, and he didn't get hit until 50 minutes later.  Saying they expected him to call a ride doesn't really apply after multiple calls saying he didn't.

Still not sure it was their problem, but if they wouldn't normally ignore that for so long, and weren't otherwise busy, it's a little more than just not taking him in.  It does seem a bit odd they let him go without calling anyone.  Did they even take the truck so he couldn't go back to it?


Surprised at how many people are ignoring the 50 minutes of walking on the hwy part.

Dropping him off was maybe a questionable decision, but ignoring his actions afterwards is probably why they have already been found criminally liable and have been fined and fired.

Civil damages are pretty likely.
 
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