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(Salon)   Downton Abbey is the most conservative show on television, and it should probably be aired on Fox News   (salon.com) divider line 142
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2014-01-19 08:30:37 PM
Really? Get the f*ck outta town! The aristocracy is conservative?

Thanks for enlightening me, Salon. I feel infromed.
 
2014-01-19 08:35:48 PM
I've never written anything creative in my life, so I'll just devote my career to tossing dirt on the shows done by creative people.
 
2014-01-19 08:37:29 PM
If we want to get political, the show is pretty liberal/progressive.  Yeah, at your base you start with a traditional, insanely wealthy, aristocratic English family with tons of servants.  Most of the show from a political perspective is about the times changing.  Women being given bigger roles, classes being broken down, etc.  The characters tend to accept change, if begrudgingly.  Afterwards, they are usually like "Eh, I guess that wasn't so bad."
 
2014-01-19 09:02:35 PM
I'd give the scullery a good rogering.
 
2014-01-19 09:48:24 PM
Really? It's a show set 100 years in the past who's attitudes toward justice, equality and homosexuality are still more advanced than today's GOP.
 
2014-01-19 10:43:18 PM

what_now: Really? It's a show set 100 years in the past who's attitudes toward justice, equality and homosexuality are still more advanced than today's GOP.


Yeah this. What show was that person watching?
 
2014-01-20 12:04:51 AM

cameroncrazy1984: what_now: Really? It's a show set 100 years in the past who's attitudes toward justice, equality and homosexuality are still more advanced than today's GOP.

Yeah this. What show was that person watching?


Seriously.

And I'm agreeing with you, so we know shiat's getting serious.
 
2014-01-20 12:05:11 AM
It's like a show set 80 years ago is different from today. Although parts of it seem more progressive than the times would've been.

/dnrtfa
//It's fiction not reality
///did watch Downton tonight
 
2014-01-20 12:10:43 AM

cameroncrazy1984: what_now: Really? It's a show set 100 years in the past who's attitudes toward justice, equality and homosexuality are still more advanced than today's GOP.

Yeah this. What show was that person watching?


The one in his head, remember, just as teabaggers see a liberal in every bush, the far left wackos think anything that happens to mention a conservative view is right wing propaganda.
 
2014-01-20 12:16:07 AM

what_now: Really? It's a show set 100 years in the past who's attitudes toward justice, equality and homosexuality are still more advanced than today's GOP.


THIS.

/Downton is on my list of shows to binge watch at some point but I got hooked on House of cards recently and aint stopping that till I'm up to date.
 
2014-01-20 12:31:36 AM
It pains me that someone was probably paid to write this.
 
2014-01-20 12:32:20 AM

cameroncrazy1984: what_now: Really? It's a show set 100 years in the past who's attitudes toward justice, equality and homosexuality are still more advanced than today's GOP.

Yeah this. What show was that person watching?


That person probably thinks a Christmas Carol is intended to be a tragedy.
 
2014-01-20 12:32:54 AM

NewportBarGuy: Really? Get the f*ck outta town! The aristocracy is conservative?

Thanks for enlightening me, Salon. I feel infromed.


Came here to post this.

Speaker2Animals: I've never written anything creative in my life, so I'll just devote my career to tossing dirt on the shows done by creative people.


And this.
 
2014-01-20 12:33:56 AM
The past is racist. Let's just forget it ever happened.
 
2014-01-20 12:33:58 AM
FoxNews already did this almost exactly one year ago

"The entire town loves the rich guy who lives in the abbey," Doocy said. "He provides the jobs. He looks out for everybody, he has free medical care for everybody. Without him - and spoiler alert, two weeks ago, it looked like he was gonna lose the joint - without him, the place would go belly up."
 
2014-01-20 12:35:32 AM
Don't care, still love the show.
 
2014-01-20 12:35:45 AM
I've never seen this show, but people I know seem to like it, so I suppose I'm outraged?
 
2014-01-20 12:36:41 AM
I stopped reading after the author complained that lord grantham is supposed to be looked up to by heading the household and refusing help from Mary or lady grantham.
His viewpoint is supposed to be pitied, a throwback to a bygone era that is best left behind. The show about screams that out as he can't invest for crap.
 
2014-01-20 12:38:54 AM
It's a big steaming pile o crap compared to the excellent show it plagiarized UPSTAIRS DOWNSTAIRS.
 
2014-01-20 12:42:12 AM
I've never seen the show, but I've got my pitchfork. Where do I stand?
 
2014-01-20 12:45:15 AM
Downton Abbey is a soap opera with fancy clothing. I'm not sure what further commentary it needs.
 
2014-01-20 12:48:53 AM
I really just assumed it was a 90210  blah blah blah drama crap fest set back in time .. but judging from the deep and profound posts attempting to explain what exactly the show is, I've come to the conclusion it's another 90210 blah blah blah drama crap fest... let me know if Dixon Wilson sleeps with Violet Crawley
 
2014-01-20 12:49:39 AM
You know, I'm ninety percent sure no intellectual admits to watching  Game of Thrones. If  only because it's basically a mix of gorn and porn, and really, that is not a goddamn combination anyone needs.
 
2014-01-20 12:50:51 AM
Complaining that the world depicted in Downton Abbey is conservative is like going to the Congo and complaining about all the minorities.
 
2014-01-20 12:52:04 AM
Pastebin for anyone who dislikes clickbait:  http://pastebin.com/rNU6KYXu

Also Salon is wrong.
 
2014-01-20 12:53:31 AM

solitary: It's a big steaming pile o crap compared to the excellent show it plagiarized UPSTAIRS DOWNSTAIRS.


Which they tried to bring back recently, hoping to ride on the coattails of Downton. If anything, Downton is an extension of Gosford Park, that movie from a few years back.
 
2014-01-20 12:54:12 AM

what_now: Really? It's a show set 100 years in the past who's attitudes toward justice, equality and homosexuality are still more advanced than today's GOP.


what_now: Maybe you should use some of that blood money for remedial grammar lessons, you stupid farking yokel.


Heh.

Not stalking you, just happened to notice.
 
2014-01-20 12:56:35 AM
In many cases, past policies (i.e. "regressive") favored people of established means, forever and ever. Whereas, so-called "progressive" policies aim to uplift those who were NOT born into money.

www.aerojockey.com
 
2014-01-20 12:58:20 AM

r1niceboy: If anything, Downton is an extension of Gosford Park, that movie from a few years back.


I freaking loved that movie.

Helen Mirren, Maggie Smith and Bob Balaban were all ridiculously good in that.

Fry's turn as the hapless Inspector Thompson was gold as well.
 
2014-01-20 01:02:40 AM

PsiChick: You know, I'm ninety percent sure no intellectual admits to watching  Game of Thrones. If  only because it's basically a mix of gorn and porn, and really, that is not a goddamn combination anyone needs.


But...but my in-laws watch 'Game of Thrones.' They never miss it, not even when something cool is going to be on NPR. I had to teach mother-in-law how to download podcasts because a favorite Democratic senator was going to be interviewed the same night Daenerys liberated the slave city. For aging, wealthy liberals, they sure do love them some medieval ultraviolence. And hearing a grandmotherly lady describing how the sex scenes were more realistic in the books over the eggnog...yes. That was SO awkward. Christmas was not an easy holiday.

Conversely, my own parents are sensibly obsessed with 'Downton Abbey,' 'Sherlock,' and 'Doctor Who,' which are British and therefore appropriate for aging, middle-class liberals. Social climbing and internationalist pretensions are reasonable to them. To anybody richer, might as well start making up countries to know all about at cocktail parties.
 
2014-01-20 01:05:25 AM
Gee, let's set a show in 1912 to 1923, but give the characters the social and poltical viewpoints of 2014 liberals.

/said no one ever
 
2014-01-20 01:09:19 AM

quatchi: r1niceboy: If anything, Downton is an extension of Gosford Park, that movie from a few years back.

I freaking loved that movie.

Helen Mirren, Maggie Smith and Bob Balaban were all ridiculously good in that.

Fry's turn as the hapless Inspector Thompson was gold as well.




I liked Gosford Park but I can't stand Downton. The happy servants who seem totally fulfilled waiting hand and foot on boring spoiled rich people just annoys me immediately. It's a soap opera with better dialogue and costumes. My mom loves it, but she also loves awful soap operas.

/mostly stick to USA's dramedies
//and GoT
///Mad Men was good for a few seasons until I got sick of Don Draper's pained existentialism--I'd be happy if I never saw him seduce anything ever again
 
2014-01-20 01:10:49 AM
Seriously, is this writer paying attention? This story makes no sense.

"like Mr. Bates' estranged wife who interferes with Bates' sincere desire to be a servant, evil"

What? Mr. Bates' wife, Anna was raped and is suffering and pushing her husband away. It's temporary and how does she interfere with him being a servant?

"Because he is devoted to the wealthy family he serves, everyone, led by Lord Grantham, takes the attitude that they must live and let live. In real life, homosexual acts were not decriminalized in England until 1967."

So they act like a bunch of liberals, taking the attitude that he's a good employee and his homosexuality is his private business. But it's a show where "meaningful social change seems impossible." And this makes them right-wing conservatives.

"Tom Branson, for instance, the husband of the late Sybil, has so far remained a part of daily life and the management of Downton Abbey even in spite of his previously strongly held socialist beliefs. So much for that!"

He wanted to leave but the family convinced him to stay. The allegedly evil imperialist family has accepted the former chauffeur as a member of the family. He's staying for his daughter, but considers taking her and moving to America. And he's very conflicted about being a member of the upper crust.

"Edith is eager to work outside the home and deeply capable - and she pines after men at the intervals the plot demands."

Oh noes!! Young woman is attracted to men and would like to find love. Women who want careers can't also want love?!?!?! It would be weird if Edith wasn't interested in men.

"Mrs. Patmore, for instance, keeps making stupid mistakes, and so her masters perceptively realize she's going blind and buy her eye surgery! - makes an argument for a system wherein the rich control all but act wisely"

Single-payer health care, no cost to the employee is a pretty liberal concept. They kindly made it possible for her to get the necessary surgery but somehow they're monsters? It makes a case for universal health care, not a case for "a system wherein the rich control all but act wisely."

Mary--a woman!!--is co-running the estate and she and Tom are making changes and modernizing. That's pretty progressive. Sybil trained to be a nurse and worked in a hospital during the war. The show is constantly acknowledging social change and the ways the family adapts. The family does treat their servants well and they're paid employees, not slaves. It's not evil to employ people.

Yes, Lord Grantham sometimes makes "horrible, arrogantly misinformed decisions" but somehow it works out. That's because it's a television show and it's about Downton Abbey and so the family and estate that are the premise of the show aren't going to disappear.

And then there's this non-sequitur: "Just how much are we supposed to find Walter White's sociopathic (and, to some eyes, "badass") behavior on "Breaking Bad" compelling and thrilling?"

How about this: Breaking Bad is a great story and that makes it compelling and thrilling. The write sounds like one of those morans who can't enjoy a show/movie/book unless he "likes" the main character. That's kind of a pet peeve of mine, people who say they didn't like a show/move/book because the didn't like the main character or couldn't identify with the character.
 
2014-01-20 01:12:59 AM

PsiChick: You know, I'm ninety percent sure no intellectual admits to watching  Game of Thrones. If  only because it's basically a mix of gorn and porn, and really, that is not a goddamn combination anyone needs.


You'd be surprised. It's pretty big at my school among students and faculty alike.
 
2014-01-20 01:14:23 AM

solitary: UPSTAIRS DOWNSTAIRS.


Hear, hear
 
2014-01-20 01:19:33 AM
Technically, wouldn't this be a liberal show? I mean, for the times, the care these people show their servants (by the sound of it, I've never watched this show) seems to be "liberal" for the setting.

Just curious, just how is this "right-wing" at all really from a liberal point of view? Don't all you skewed-eyed left-wing tree-lickers all believe the ring-wing tree-lickers think right-wing rich people are all miserly and hateful? So if ring-wing rich people are nice to their poor people, how the blue hells do left-wingers think left-wing rich people treat their servants?

The entire article makes no sense and author hasn't thought this through at all. Congratulations on making the other side seem... Nice?
 
2014-01-20 01:20:56 AM
The author is really overthinking this.
 
2014-01-20 01:29:44 AM

fastbow: PsiChick: You know, I'm ninety percent sure no intellectual admits to watching  Game of Thrones. If  only because it's basically a mix of gorn and porn, and really, that is not a goddamn combination anyone needs.

You'd be surprised. It's pretty big at my school among students and faculty alike.


Who cares what people watch?  Seriously, it doesn't matter.  I watch all sorts of stupid shiat.  I guess that limits my intelligence somehow.

Also, GOT isn't anything like porn.  It's mild erotica at best and it's very sparsely placed in the show.

There's also the whole epic story thing happening, but hurr hurr boobs and wieners derr.
 
2014-01-20 01:31:24 AM

Phins: Seriously, is this writer paying attention? This story makes no sense.

"like Mr. Bates' estranged wife who interferes with Bates' sincere desire to be a servant, evil"

What? Mr. Bates' wife, Anna was raped and is suffering and pushing her husband away. It's temporary and how does she interfere with him being a servant?

"Because he is devoted to the wealthy family he serves, everyone, led by Lord Grantham, takes the attitude that they must live and let live. In real life, homosexual acts were not decriminalized in England until 1967."

So they act like a bunch of liberals, taking the attitude that he's a good employee and his homosexuality is his private business. But it's a show where "meaningful social change seems impossible." And this makes them right-wing conservatives.

"Tom Branson, for instance, the husband of the late Sybil, has so far remained a part of daily life and the management of Downton Abbey even in spite of his previously strongly held socialist beliefs. So much for that!"

He wanted to leave but the family convinced him to stay. The allegedly evil imperialist family has accepted the former chauffeur as a member of the family. He's staying for his daughter, but considers taking her and moving to America. And he's very conflicted about being a member of the upper crust.

"Edith is eager to work outside the home and deeply capable - and she pines after men at the intervals the plot demands."

Oh noes!! Young woman is attracted to men and would like to find love. Women who want careers can't also want love?!?!?! It would be weird if Edith wasn't interested in men.

"Mrs. Patmore, for instance, keeps making stupid mistakes, and so her masters perceptively realize she's going blind and buy her eye surgery! - makes an argument for a system wherein the rich control all but act wisely"

Single-payer health care, no cost to the employee is a pretty liberal concept. They kindly made it possible for her to get the necessary surgery but somehow they're mon ...


Holy shiat, you read the article.

You win one Internet.

/you seldom see reasoned commentary on Fark.
 
2014-01-20 01:32:53 AM

psychicdeath99: Gee, let's set a show in 1912 to 1923, but give the characters the social and poltical viewpoints of 2014 liberals.


I don't really think that was the point of the article.

The article wasn't complaining that the characters didn't embody modern ideals and viewpoints, but rather than the ideals of the time don't carry the appropriate consequences.  Any downsides of the era seem to be whitewashed away.

At least that's what I got from the article.  Where do you see the article saying that the characters have insufficiently modern viewpoints?
 
2014-01-20 01:33:05 AM
What is a "Downtown abbey"?
 
2014-01-20 01:39:37 AM
Blue Bloods is the most conservative show on television. It's also so pedestrian and dull that no one watches it, so I can forgive Salon for trying to find a show that might troll up some viewership.
 
2014-01-20 01:40:29 AM

Yogimus: What is a "Downtown abbey"?


It's a very expensive, crappy soap opera.
 
2014-01-20 01:42:14 AM
Rich people aren't all bad. That liberals understand this is only news to conservatives.
 
2014-01-20 01:44:02 AM
The salon libtard probably thinks conservatives watch shows based on some kind of political message, like liberals do. Conservatives are anti-political so a "conservative show" would be a show with no political bullshiat in it.
 
2014-01-20 01:48:14 AM

Noam Chimpsky: The salon libtard probably thinks conservatives watch shows based on some kind of political message, like liberals do. Conservatives are anti-political so a "conservative show" would be a show with no political bullshiat in it.


upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-01-20 01:48:31 AM

Rug Doctor: In many cases, past policies (i.e. "regressive") favored people of established means, forever and ever. Whereas, so-called "progressive" policies aim to uplift those who were NOT born into money.

[www.aerojockey.com image 140x105]


Jim Crow laws, eugenics, drug laws? Those policies?
 
2014-01-20 01:50:24 AM

DrPainMD: Rug Doctor: In many cases, past policies (i.e. "regressive") favored people of established means, forever and ever. Whereas, so-called "progressive" policies aim to uplift those who were NOT born into money.

[www.aerojockey.com image 140x105]

Jim Crow laws, eugenics, drug laws? Those policies?


Were blacks better or worse before 1950-s?
Did Autism skyrocket before or after eugenic laws were banned?
Did drug dealers make more or less money thanks to drug laws?
 
2014-01-20 01:50:37 AM

im14u2c: psychicdeath99: Gee, let's set a show in 1912 to 1923, but give the characters the social and poltical viewpoints of 2014 liberals.

I don't really think that was the point of the article.

The article wasn't complaining that the characters didn't embody modern ideals and viewpoints, but rather than the ideals of the time don't carry the appropriate consequences.  Any downsides of the era seem to be whitewashed away.

At least that's what I got from the article.  Where do you see the article saying that the characters have insufficiently modern viewpoints?


Pretty much the entire article, starting with the author refering to the characters as "actual monsters."
 
2014-01-20 02:03:15 AM
Okay, I have a hint for the author of the article that may help him out just a bit.

The hint: It's a SOAP OPERA!

Let's see if he can figure it out from there.
 
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