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(Daily Mail)   Smoking or drinking during pregnancy can cause your baby to: A) be born premature, B) have deformities, or C) be gay   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 111
    More: Unlikely, Professor Swaab, University of Amsterdam, affect sexuality, bisexuality, pregnancy, sexual orientation, smoking, womb  
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2014-01-20 08:41:54 AM

Slartibreakfast: DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: Slartibreakfast: stevenvictx: hubiestubert:

Anyone who posts that much crap on a site like this has NOTHING useful to say... I am amazed you actually read it.

Newbie much? Yep. Don't worry, you'll learn.

I read everything hubie writes. He's rational, erudite, and thoughtful.

Generally a pleasure to read, and he's hawt. And he can cook.

Hmmm... sockpuppet much or are you just a moran? Newbie is so last decade. Next time, just post the second and third lines... you might convince me that you're right.

Or maybe it's profoundly retarded to come to a site with links to mostly test news articles, going into almost-entirely-text comment section, and then complain about not wanting to read. That's as bright as sitting in a bathroom eating a Taco Bell spread because you don't like the smell of poop.
Skim for gifs and GTFO then, christ.
2014-01-20 10:31:19 AM

12349876: What about the sound of jackhammers?  Does that make you gay?

[www.star941fm.com image 582x670]

Only if the mom is getting jackhammered by the dad.
2014-01-20 12:44:09 PM

12349876: What about the sound of jackhammers?  Does that make you gay?

[www.star941fm.com image 582x670]

And we are done here.
2014-01-20 12:49:20 PM
Maybe this is why so many fright-wing voters have gay children.
2014-01-20 01:05:45 PM
Atheism is a Religion.
2014-01-20 05:35:14 PM

grumpfuff: quatchi: fusillade762: You can call me a sockpuppet too, because I always enjoy Hubie's posts.

Add me to that list. Hubie was one of my early favorites and remains so to this day.

Basically what I was getting at with Wonka up there.

I'm pretty sure Hubie is one of the few Farkers that is almost universally liked and respected here.

If you want to tl;dr his posts, go right ahead. But it's your loss.

Exactly. If I see anyone dis Hubie's posts (which is pretty damn rarely), I immediately think "new" and, often, "troll" -- and the ones in this thread have proven me right again.

/you go, Hubie!
2014-01-20 09:07:59 PM
OK, you don't drink, you don't smoke. What do you do?
2014-01-20 09:18:33 PM
Yeah I don't care if this is true, slap a warning sticker on every bottle of alcohol and box of cigarettes. Maybe some of the white trash hicks round here will start oogey-boogeying the pregnant ones out of smoking and drinking.
2014-01-20 10:51:50 PM

MBooda: OK, you don't drink, you don't smoke. What do you do?

Hmmm. Must be something inside. Perhaps you could write it on a pound note?
2014-01-21 01:18:07 AM

hardinparamedic: I wonder how much of a cognitive dissonance would develop if science conclusively proved that sexual orientation and gender were definitively formed in utero, and could be identified before birth?

I think we have a fairly good sense of how gender identify forms already.

Studies in other mammals (including chimps) have shown that sexual patterning of the brain is caused by the presence or absence of a massive but brief testosterone spike either just before or just after birth (depending on species).  We definitely know the same kind of spike exists in humans.   For ethical reasons, we can't take human research to the level we have already taken other animal research, which is artificially creating or suppressing these spikes to change the sexuality of the brain.

On the other hand, while we could in theory measure the strength of the testosterone spike (assuming we were taking fetal blood samples at just the right point in time) it wouldn't definitively tell you anything - homosexuality wouldn't necessarily be caused (in males) by a lower testosterone pulse, since anything that lowered the "gain" of the system - e.g. reduced receptor binding affinities or reduced signal transduction - would have the same effect.  Likely these actually work in concert.

hubiestubert: In an evolutionary sense, homosexuals actually do make sense. At least when there are siblings.

There are other evolutionary advantages than the ones you mentioned.  For example, a genetic change to hormone balance might increase the likelihood of homosexuality in a male - but increase fertility in a female.  It's possible depending on how strong the deleterious effects are compared to the beneficial effects that such an allele could not only persist, but be driven to fixation by natural selection.

There's also the possibility that intermediate levels of sexual patterning are more beneficial than being at either extreme.  Gender patterning of the brain controls more than just sexuality; it also controls things like emotional attachment, aggression, and the instinct to nurture.  There could well be a benefit to being closer to the middle of the road in terms of strength of gender patterning.

For example, if there were 10 genes that controlled sexuality and each had one allele that increased the odds of homosexuality and another that increased the odds of heterosexuality, it might be that individuals with a mix of each do better than individuals that are too far to either end of the spectrum - for example, one end would be very likely to have reduced offspring because of homosexuality, and the other end might be overmasculinized to the point the individuals are more likely to abandon or kill their offspring.

If that is true, then the variation in the population is beneficial so that most of the population falls between the extremes.
2014-01-21 10:35:59 AM

phrawgh: MBooda: OK, you don't drink, you don't smoke. What do you do?

Hmmm. Must be something inside. Perhaps you could write it on a pound note?

Pretending that you're Al Green?

[Subtle innuendos follow]
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