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(Daily Mail)   Smoking or drinking during pregnancy can cause your baby to: A) be born premature, B) have deformities, or C) be gay   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 111
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2014-01-19 11:21:17 PM

12349876: What about the sound of jackhammers?  Does that make you gay?

[www.star941fm.com image 582x670]


You now what the worst part of that is? Realizing that "Mellisa" isn't a misspelling of her name.

/aside: that kid is 9yo now
 
2014-01-19 11:21:39 PM
I thought someone would post it...
img.fark.net
 
2014-01-19 11:22:19 PM

namatad: hubiestubert: Humans have been self selecting traits, and in social units for a damn sight longer than the 3000 BC that short legged hounds have been found in human settlements. We have continued to select traits that continue to conserve these variations, and that suggests that they aren't just normal and natural, they are actually traits that have helped us survive for a long ass while..

true
look at all the gay republicans who are married with children
I guess maybe that is what religious breeding does ...


Duplicity and fooling one another IS survival related. Not just among hunters and leaders, to make ourselves appear more threatening, or less threatening while sliding a sharp bone from a pack to slit a weezend, but males ability to fool females and visa versa to getting not just some sweet, sweet, sweet lovin' but actually KEEPING a male around, even if an offspring ISN'T his own, those are time tested. We have bred liars and cheats and cons for a long time, because it works...

/One of these days we're going to meet a species that doesn't lie and they are in for a rude awakening...
 
2014-01-19 11:22:21 PM

pushcart: How do they explain bi?

/asking for a friend
//not in denial
///one of the previous is false


Quaaludes.
 
2014-01-19 11:26:25 PM

hubiestubert: weezend


o_O
 
2014-01-19 11:29:36 PM

ArcadianRefugee: hubiestubert: weezend

o_O


too much time with Molly Grue
 
2014-01-19 11:31:37 PM

hardinparamedic: You know, as a generalization, homophobic bigotry tends to overlap with the religious anti-abortion crowd.

I wonder how much of a cognitive dissonance would develop if science conclusively proved that sexual orientation and gender were definitively formed in utero, and could be identified before birth?

No, I'm not trolling. I genuinely think these people would be totally for killing as many of them as possible.


Killing?  Highly doubtful, given that this tends to be a group very much against abortion.  But if they could be convinced to support genetic engineering, they might push for fixes.  If homosexuality is genetic, then a little engineering could make a child straight.  Sure, it could go the other way as well, but I imagine many of them would prefer how homosexuality results staying somewhat indeterminate for as long as possible.
 
2014-01-19 11:34:07 PM

ArcadianRefugee: 12349876: What about the sound of jackhammers?  Does that make you gay?

[www.star941fm.com image 582x670]

You now what the worst part of that is? Realizing that "Mellisa" isn't a misspelling of her name.

/aside: that kid is 9yo now


Really? That must be a messed up kid by now. Maybe it gets a law degree and sues like that StarWars tard kid.
 
2014-01-19 11:35:31 PM
1) Ridiculous (but probably real) name. 2) Selling a book. 3) Dail Mail.

It's less perfect storm of stupidity, more pee on your foot in the dark of stupidity.
 
2014-01-19 11:35:45 PM

Fano: ArcadianRefugee: hubiestubert: weezend

o_O

too much time with Molly Grue


I blame too much SnarfQuest. Damn you Larry Elmore!
 
2014-01-19 11:37:59 PM

hubiestubert: In an evolutionary sense, homosexuals actually do make sense. At least when there are siblings.

Single births, not so much. No genetic information passed on, though society still can coerce folks to marry, procreate, and still be closeted--more a social construct, but one that still forces folks to "choose." In an early evolutionary sense, homosexuals still contribute in the troop and tribal dynamic though. One theory is that particular stessors in the womb can force expression of homosexuality. Too much stress during a pregnancy means too little food, too little water, moving around a lot, that means the population maybe isn't served with more folks competing for mates. Homosexuals make sense in that setting: not competing for breeding, but still contributing to the well being of their families, and siblings. Those siblings share genes, and thus, a gay or lesbian sibling IS contributing to the passing on of genes, and helping their siblings' children. In a troop or tribal setting, those individuals are still valuable to the survival of the whole, while not adding to the stress of finding mates for the breeders. The species has non-breeders who contribute to the survival of the whole, and their siblings, and take some of the stress off the community as a whole, and help ensure the survival of the whole. Those traits are still passed on through their siblings, and thus the traits ARE survival related, though not in the most direct sense. Those who have homosexual siblings still pass on their genes, and then perhaps a generation or two down the line, stressors again trigger, and lo, the cycle begins anew, still conserving that gene for the survival of those related.

Artificial stressors triggering this sort of genetic mechanism would make some sense. The mother's body doesn't make a conscious "decision" to "make" a baby homosexual, but a mechanism linked to stress or conditions would make some sense. The tribe is under stress, competition would be increased, and homosexuality would be good for the whole genetic line, and thus, our ability to KEEP putting out yowuns makes some sense, and likewise, the family unit is maintained and cared for.

Not provable, at least without a lot more testing on stressed populations, but there are studies that show populations that have undergone a great amount of stress, like during the Blitz in England, have had increased rates of homosexuality beyond the usual 10%. It will probably take a few more generations of study to sous it out, but I suspect that we're on the right track. These variations aren't exactly "non-survival" as much as conservation within the species. Our complex social lives IS a survival trait, and we've been breeding for a couple of hundred thousand years to cement survival traits, and not all of them are as straightforward as "Thag f*cks b*tches!"

How long did it take to breed dogs like dachshunds, who are fair far from the usual model for wild dogs? To breed not just for body traits, but behavior and attitude? Humans have been self selecting traits, and in social units for a damn sight longer than the 3000 BC that short legged hounds have been found in human settlements. We have continued to select traits that continue to conserve these variations, and that suggests that they aren't just normal and natural, they are actually traits that have helped us survive for a long ass while...


If I were a girl I would want to have your babies.
 
2014-01-19 11:39:04 PM
Mom didn't smoke or drink and I turned out as queer as a $3 bill. Your argument is invalid.
 
2014-01-19 11:41:28 PM

ReverendJynxed: pushcart: How do they explain bi?

/asking for a friend
//not in denial
///one of the previous is false

Quaaludes.


I do have a mellow disposition.
 
2014-01-19 11:41:45 PM

Slartibreakfast: stevenvictx: hubiestubert:

Anyone who posts that much crap on a site like this has NOTHING useful to say... I am amazed you actually read it.



Newbie much? Yep. Don't worry, you'll learn.

I read everything hubie writes. He's rational, erudite, and thoughtful.

Generally a pleasure to read, and he's hawt. And he can cook.
 
2014-01-19 11:44:30 PM
See it was all your parents fault.
 
2014-01-19 11:44:35 PM
That would be the least of the worries for one of my coworkers. If when she got pregnant is accurate, she and her fiance' went back home the next week after she conceived, and they attended multiple parties while they were there. She says at least twice she drank so much she didn't remember how they got back home, she smoked about a pack a day until she discovered she was about six weeks pregnant, and continued drinking on weekends until that time as well. So, if the child ends up gay but otherwise healthy and undamaged, I suspect she'll consider herself incredibly fortunate.
 
2014-01-19 11:48:16 PM

DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: Slartibreakfast: stevenvictx: hubiestubert:

Anyone who posts that much crap on a site like this has NOTHING useful to say... I am amazed you actually read it.

Newbie much? Yep. Don't worry, you'll learn.

I read everything hubie writes. He's rational, erudite, and thoughtful.

Generally a pleasure to read, and he's hawt. And he can cook.


Hmmm... sockpuppet much or are you just a moran? Newbie is so last decade. Next time, just post the second and third lines... you might convince me that you're right.
 
2014-01-19 11:48:47 PM

06Wahoo: hardinparamedic: You know, as a generalization, homophobic bigotry tends to overlap with the religious anti-abortion crowd.

I wonder how much of a cognitive dissonance would develop if science conclusively proved that sexual orientation and gender were definitively formed in utero, and could be identified before birth?

No, I'm not trolling. I genuinely think these people would be totally for killing as many of them as possible.

Killing?  Highly doubtful, given that this tends to be a group very much against abortion.  But if they could be convinced to support genetic engineering, they might push for fixes.  If homosexuality is genetic, then a little engineering could make a child straight.  Sure, it could go the other way as well, but I imagine many of them would prefer how homosexuality results staying somewhat indeterminate for as long as possible.


I suspect that brain structure, as it develops, determines sexuality, and development is in part epigenetic, so the final immutable structure of the brain is guided along the way by environmental cues.

That kind of engineering for brain development against gay development, if its true, is like needing to fine-tune an engine's manufacturing when you don't even know how it works or what any components even do...we are hundreds of years away from that level of understanding.
 
2014-01-19 11:50:11 PM

brigid: Mom didn't smoke or drink and I turned out as queer as a $3 bill. Your argument is invalid.


how do you know she didnt drink and smoke?
you were but a fetus
 
2014-01-19 11:50:38 PM
Damnit mom, why couldn't you stick to missionary!
 
2014-01-19 11:53:47 PM

fusillade762: Dick Swaab

Seriously?? Tell me I'm being punked.


Done in one. Seriously, this has to be a hoax. An Onion article accidentally released into the wild.
 
2014-01-19 11:54:47 PM
Unfortunately, although likely false, this will likely make them stop smoking & drinking during pregnancy more than anything else...

Fortunately, although likely false, the fact if they do stop it...will help the pregnancy, for ANY reason.

Hey, your parents ignorance and bias...actually helping you for once.
 
2014-01-19 11:57:41 PM

DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: 06Wahoo: hardinparamedic: You know, as a generalization, homophobic bigotry tends to overlap with the religious anti-abortion crowd.

I wonder how much of a cognitive dissonance would develop if science conclusively proved that sexual orientation and gender were definitively formed in utero, and could be identified before birth?

No, I'm not trolling. I genuinely think these people would be totally for killing as many of them as possible.

Killing?  Highly doubtful, given that this tends to be a group very much against abortion.  But if they could be convinced to support genetic engineering, they might push for fixes.  If homosexuality is genetic, then a little engineering could make a child straight.  Sure, it could go the other way as well, but I imagine many of them would prefer how homosexuality results staying somewhat indeterminate for as long as possible.

I suspect that brain structure, as it develops, determines sexuality, and development is in part epigenetic, so the final immutable structure of the brain is guided along the way by environmental cues.

That kind of engineering for brain development against gay development, if its true, is like needing to fine-tune an engine's manufacturing when you don't even know how it works or what any components even do...we are hundreds of years away from that level of understanding.


I hope we don't ever reach that level of understanding.

/favorited
 
2014-01-19 11:57:44 PM

Slartibreakfast: Pole smoking makes you gay.

NTTAWWT


Oh come on it was four times with the same guy 15 years ago.
 
2014-01-19 11:58:06 PM

Slartibreakfast: DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: Slartibreakfast: stevenvictx: hubiestubert:

Anyone who posts that much crap on a site like this has NOTHING useful to say... I am amazed you actually read it.

Newbie much? Yep. Don't worry, you'll learn.

I read everything hubie writes. He's rational, erudite, and thoughtful.

Generally a pleasure to read, and he's hawt. And he can cook.

Hmmm... sockpuppet much or are you just a moran? Newbie is so last decade. Next time, just post the second and third lines... you might convince me that you're right.


Dig deeper. You can do better than that.
 
2014-01-19 11:58:09 PM

This tableau of "scientific" glob
Is from a renowned brainy snob.
"Wine/weed ain't okay-
Your kid'll be GAY!
"
All this from a serious Dick Swaab.

 
2014-01-20 12:04:24 AM

Slartibreakfast: DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: Slartibreakfast: stevenvictx: hubiestubert:

Anyone who posts that much crap on a site like this has NOTHING useful to say... I am amazed you actually read it.

Newbie much? Yep. Don't worry, you'll learn.

I read everything hubie writes. He's rational, erudite, and thoughtful.

Generally a pleasure to read, and he's hawt. And he can cook.

Hmmm... sockpuppet much or are you just a moran? Newbie is so last decade. Next time, just post the second and third lines... you might convince me that you're right.


i.imgur.com
 
2014-01-20 12:16:17 AM

brimed03: fusillade762: Dick Swaab

Seriously?? Tell me I'm being punked.

Done in one. Seriously, this has to be a hoax. An Onion article accidentally released into the wild.


I had to Google him to make sure. He has his own Wiki page, fwiw.


Slartibreakfast: DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: Slartibreakfast: stevenvictx: hubiestubert:

Anyone who posts that much crap on a site like this has NOTHING useful to say... I am amazed you actually read it.

Newbie much? Yep. Don't worry, you'll learn.

I read everything hubie writes. He's rational, erudite, and thoughtful.

Generally a pleasure to read, and he's hawt. And he can cook.

Hmmm... sockpuppet much or are you just a moran? Newbie is so last decade. Next time, just post the second and third lines... you might convince me that you're right.


You can call me a sockpuppet too, because I always enjoy Hubie's posts.
 
2014-01-20 12:23:42 AM

hubiestubert: namatad: hubiestubert: Humans have been self selecting traits, and in social units for a damn sight longer than the 3000 BC that short legged hounds have been found in human settlements. We have continued to select traits that continue to conserve these variations, and that suggests that they aren't just normal and natural, they are actually traits that have helped us survive for a long ass while..

true
look at all the gay republicans who are married with children
I guess maybe that is what religious breeding does ...

Duplicity and fooling one another IS survival related. Not just among hunters and leaders, to make ourselves appear more threatening, or less threatening while sliding a sharp bone from a pack to slit a weezend, but males ability to fool females and visa versa to getting not just some sweet, sweet, sweet lovin' but actually KEEPING a male around, even if an offspring ISN'T his own, those are time tested. We have bred liars and cheats and cons for a long time, because it works...

/One of these days we're going to meet a species that doesn't lie and they are in for a rude awakening...


Wow, just WOW! I thought your Weeners was stupid, then I got to this and realized you are completely retarded
 
2014-01-20 12:23:59 AM

fusillade762: You can call me a sockpuppet too, because I always enjoy Hubie's posts.


Add me to that list. Hubie was one of my early favorites and remains so to this day.
 
2014-01-20 12:26:07 AM
I've never been confused of my sensuality, and glad my parents made good health choices. But I am confused why Fark is the online e-quivalent to Miami or San Francisco.
 
2014-01-20 12:32:20 AM

hubiestubert: In an evolutionary sense, homosexuals actually do make sense. At least when there are siblings.

Single births, not so much. No genetic information passed on, though society still can coerce folks to marry, procreate, and still be closeted--more a social construct, but one that still forces folks to "choose." In an early evolutionary sense, homosexuals still contribute in the troop and tribal dynamic though. One theory is that particular stessors in the womb can force expression of homosexuality. Too much stress during a pregnancy means too little food, too little water, moving around a lot, that means the population maybe isn't served with more folks competing for mates. Homosexuals make sense in that setting: not competing for breeding, but still contributing to the well being of their families, and siblings. Those siblings share genes, and thus, a gay or lesbian sibling IS contributing to the passing on of genes, and helping their siblings' children. In a troop or tribal setting, those individuals are still valuable to the survival of the whole, while not adding to the stress of finding mates for the breeders. The species has non-breeders who contribute to the survival of the whole, and their siblings, and take some of the stress off the community as a whole, and help ensure the survival of the whole. Those traits are still passed on through their siblings, and thus the traits ARE survival related, though not in the most direct sense. Those who have homosexual siblings still pass on their genes, and then perhaps a generation or two down the line, stressors again trigger, and lo, the cycle begins anew, still conserving that gene for the survival of those related.

Artificial stressors triggering this sort of genetic mechanism would make some sense. The mother's body doesn't make a conscious "decision" to "make" a baby homosexual, but a mechanism linked to stress or conditions would make some sense. The tribe is under stress, competition would be increased, and hom ...


Now everyone who tries to help expectant mothers relax and experience less stress during their pregnancy is going to be labelled a "homophobic bigot"

And gays will begin approaching pregnant women, blowing smoke in their faces and smashing their kneecaps with a bat, just to make more gays.

Just great. Why did you have to tell them?
 
2014-01-20 12:42:21 AM
encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com
 
2014-01-20 01:06:53 AM

quatchi: fusillade762: You can call me a sockpuppet too, because I always enjoy Hubie's posts.

Add me to that list. Hubie was one of my early favorites and remains so to this day.


Basically what I was getting at with Wonka up there.

I'm pretty sure Hubie is one of the few Farkers that is almost universally liked and respected here.

If you want to tl;dr his posts, go right ahead. But it's your loss.
 
2014-01-20 01:10:02 AM
I'm actually expecting my first kid now.

Husband and I have decided that we don't care if baby is boy or girl, gay or straight, cis or trans, or whether kid takes more after him or me.

So long as they don't grow up to be a Cleveland Browns fan or a PETA member, we shall be perfectly satisfied with whatever life choices and personal identity makes them happy. I think those are reasonable expectations for any child.
 
2014-01-20 01:11:11 AM

grumpfuff: Duh. There's an easy test.


Oh, you mean like this?
 
2014-01-20 01:11:21 AM
hubie, don't listen to the naysayers.

You're a gem among Farkers.
 
2014-01-20 01:13:18 AM

some_beer_drinker:


I don't get it. ???
 
2014-01-20 01:20:16 AM

some_beer_drinker: [s2.quickmeme.com image 278x346]


I don't get it. Is there something I'm missing?
 
2014-01-20 01:23:10 AM

12349876: What about the sound of jackhammers?  Does that make you gay?

[www.star941fm.com image 582x670]


LOL. Stupid people are funny.
 
2014-01-20 01:23:30 AM
Here's what some dick swabs look like:

encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com

They're just like the ones you use to clean your ears, only you use them on your dick.
 
2014-01-20 01:29:36 AM

TheEdibleSnuggie: grumpfuff: Duh. There's an easy test.

Oh, you mean like this?


No, I meant this.
 
2014-01-20 01:30:17 AM

grumpfuff: TheEdibleSnuggie: grumpfuff: Duh. There's an easy test.

Oh, you mean like this?

No, I meant this.


Holy fark, this site does NOT want me to link to that thing today. Even a direct link to the Yahoo site got tossed.
 
2014-01-20 02:34:50 AM

Prey4reign: Here's what some dick swabs look like:

[encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com image 220x166]

They're just like the ones you use to clean your ears, only you use them on your dick.

ON

, not in.

[nscsb]
Had a woman going down on me insert her tongue ring (dumbbell) into the orifice of my cock because "she wanted to know how it would feel" (translation: how I would react).
[/nscsb]
 
2014-01-20 02:42:03 AM

Kittypie070: hubie, don't listen to the naysayers.

You're a gem among Farkers.


I was here when the trolls and They Who Shall Not Be Named But Are Not Forgotten posted far more vitriol than thus current crop. I ain't afeered. Then again, I suspect a few of the "Newbies" are just old hands with slick new nicks...
 
2014-01-20 03:24:20 AM

Slartibreakfast: Anyone who posts that much crap on a site like this has NOTHING useful to say..


This site wasn't "like this" until shiatheads like you showed up. Due to the continuing coolness of Drew people like you will continue to ruin it until it is gone.
 
2014-01-20 03:27:03 AM
Please, God, I ask for the strength to not print this article out in hard copy and mail it to my parents.
 
2014-01-20 05:31:27 AM
Doesn't seem all that surprising.  Stress and chemical stressors lower testosterone.  (yes, in women too).  And in utero hormonal changes are hypothesized to be a factor in sexual orientation.
 
2014-01-20 07:15:59 AM
Girls of Norfolk more insufferable than ever.
 
2014-01-20 07:59:46 AM
ArcadianRefugee: 12349876: What about the sound of jackhammers?  Does that make you gay?

[www.star941fm.com image 582x670]

You now what the worst part of that is? Realizing that "Mellisa" isn't a misspelling of her name.

It's probably MeLEEsa. Had a classmate who spelled/pronounced it that way and was always correcting people.

//MeLEEsa. Not Melissa.
///MeLEEsa.
 
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