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(SeattlePI)   A North Texas man who paid $350,000 for the right to hunt an endangered African black rhino said he's had to hire full-time security due to death threats after his name was leaked onto the Internet   (seattlepi.com) divider line 102
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2014-01-19 04:47:12 PM
28 votes:
He's a hunter. fark him. He knows how the game works.

You're sitting at home, peacefully eating lunch with your family when BLAM a bullet rips out your lungs. You gasp uselessly as blood froths out of mouth and collapse. The last thing you see in your tunnel vision is your wife and children covered in your blood as you fall to the floor. A man in an orange vest kicks in your door and starts to decapitate you, because all he wanted was your head on his wall, but while your family is running away he takes a nice long look at your son and says "Soon, I'm coming back for him!"
2014-01-19 05:38:41 PM
17 votes:
Rhinos don't live forever folks. After they reach a certain age they do not procreate. $350K dedicated to saving the rest of the gene pool versus $0K if the animal just keels over and dies.
2014-01-19 06:55:41 PM
16 votes:
Opposed to is a strong word. Nature is the process by which overwhelming force exploits weakness relentlessly. Can't blame the orb spider that the fly is just a defenseless juice pack on wings.

But humans don't have to hunt, and when they do they don't have to hunt endangered animals. Especially not megafauna. Megafauna serve a vital role in the food chain. Their feces are an important resource to all many of autotrophs and insects, which are the foundation of the whole chain. By killing off a single rhino, you've eliminated years of fertilizer leading to lower nutrition, less seed migration, fewer flies, and if they're around the dung beetles aren't gonna be happy. Everyone suffers.

Normally, this wouln't be a problem. But we're 10,000 years into a bad case of humans. Rhino levels are at an all time low and many megafauna species are extinct worldwide. Shooting a single rhino at this point is like punching a guy in the ICU in his arm. It might not kill him, might not even hurt him, but it's ain't gonna help nobody.

If you want to hunt, get a machette and go clear out the pythons from the Everglades. Pile the nutria to the moon. Get an underwater submersible and use it to spear every asian carp near the great lakes. But don't shoot a rhino. Every rhino is helping. Want to experience one? Bring a camera, not a rifle.
2014-01-19 07:05:09 PM
10 votes:
Meh, the younger rhinos get the protection they need.  The conservationists get a ton of money to further conservation efforts.  The rich asshole gets an opportunity to be a rich asshole.

Sounds to me like everybody wins.
2014-01-19 06:30:37 PM
10 votes:

doglover: So, they do indeed have a valid perspective of what hunting is like from their end. The only hunters I respect in the day of industrial slaughter houses and high powered rifles are sniper scouts, or "hunters of gunmen" as they dub themselves.


As someone who eats meat, I'm perfectly fine with "ethical hunting."  That is, hunting overpopulated (or at least not underpopulated) animals that would otherwise starve and eating and/or donating the meat.  A deer that gets killed in the wild has a much better life than a cow in a factory farm.  There is not really a "good death" in nature.  Animals usually die of starvation or getting eaten by other animals.  Being put down by a skilled hunter is probably one of the cleaner deaths possible for wild animals.  True fair chase deer stalking is actually very difficult and physically taxing.

The rhino is endangered and I seriously doubt this guy is planning to eat it, or that it will be a fair chase scenario.  I imagine he'll be driven by a guide in one of those safari jeeps, get relatively close, the rhino will be like "Ehh, whatever" because he's used to people in jeeps, and the guy will just shoot him.  That's a farking shiatty, cowardly thing to do.

You may personally be opposed to all types of hunting, but let's at least separate the reasonable from the ridiculous.
2014-01-19 06:24:19 PM
10 votes:

ultraholland: I want to experience a black rhino. I want to be intimately involved with a black rhino.

wow, dude.


My grandfather served in North Africa in World War II.  A few decades after the war, he took a trip back to see his old battlefields, and decided to do a tour of the whole continent, including a safari.

He had the opportunity to shoot a rhino.  Because they were rarely hunted by humans in that region (I don't recall where this was exactly), it wasn't scared of him, or his hunting party.  It just stared at him, casually grazing.  It didn't movie, it didn't threaten to charge.  It just stood there, staring and chewing.

He refused to shoot it, stating it would be "about as sporting as shooting a parked mini-van."
2014-01-19 09:35:09 PM
8 votes:
People are so stupid. This animal will be killed whether by this man or game control. This particular rhino is old and farking evil, it's killing all the younger rhinos. The auction brings in a shiat-ton of money that will be used to protect the other rhinos and it's something that is going to be done anyway.
2014-01-19 09:37:42 PM
7 votes:

sno man: Hoban Washburne: doglover: So, they do indeed have a valid perspective of what hunting is like from their end. The only hunters I respect in the day of industrial slaughter houses and high powered rifles are sniper scouts, or "hunters of gunmen" as they dub themselves.

As someone who eats meat, I'm perfectly fine with "ethical hunting."  That is, hunting overpopulated (or at least not underpopulated) animals that would otherwise starve and eating and/or donating the meat.  A deer that gets killed in the wild has a much better life than a cow in a factory farm.  There is not really a "good death" in nature.  Animals usually die of starvation or getting eaten by other animals.  Being put down by a skilled hunter is probably one of the cleaner deaths possible for wild animals.  True fair chase deer stalking is actually very difficult and physically taxing.

The rhino is endangered and I seriously doubt this guy is planning to eat it, or that it will be a fair chase scenario.  I imagine he'll be driven by a guide in one of those safari jeeps, get relatively close, the rhino will be like "Ehh, whatever" because he's used to people in jeeps, and the guy will just shoot him.  That's a farking shiatty, cowardly thing to do.

You may personally be opposed to all types of hunting, but let's at least separate the reasonable from the ridiculous.

And as bojon pointed out this is a very specific hunt of a small number of post procreating animals with the proceeds of the lottery going to preservation efforts of the herd. I'm putting this on the reasonable side of that equation.


I came here to point out that this hunt was of an animal well past it's breeding years that is aggressive and prevents younger males from breeding, thus stymying the growth of the population, and thus actually a hindrance to maintaining a healthy population. Also I was going to point out that the government of Nairobi has one of the best conservation programs in the world and that they use the money from this hunt to further the program to preserve the species as a whole. Finally I was going to point out that this animal would be killed either way, in order to preserve the herd, and making money off of it to continue the program was a side benefit.

Glad to see it was already mentioned.
2014-01-19 09:41:01 PM
6 votes:
This issue isn't so black and white.

The rhino is sterile, but will keep competing with other males for the right to mate females. Thus, it can actually interfere with herd reproduction and attempts to grow the herd's size.

So, ironically, it has to be put down for the sake of species conservation. One option is to auction off a hunting permit just for that rhino and use those proceeds to further help conservation efforts.

Here's an excellent take on the issue by somebody who is generally anti-gun and anti-hunting. It's an ugly solution, but there aren't many pretty ones to begin with.

http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2014/01/13/killing-the-namibian-bl ac k-rhino-for-350000/
2014-01-19 09:39:24 PM
6 votes:

Kit Fister: I came here to point out that this hunt was of an animal well past it's breeding years that is aggressive and prevents younger males from breeding, thus stymying the growth of the population, and thus actually a hindrance to maintaining a healthy population. Also I was going to point out that the government of Nairobi has one of the best conservation programs in the world and that they use the money from this hunt to further the program to preserve the species as a whole. Finally I was going to point out that this animal would be killed either way, in order to preserve the herd, and making money off of it to continue the program was a side benefit.

Glad to see it was already mentioned.


There are those of us who understand that, but still find it generally loathsome to be the kind of person who kills things for sport. Just that fact alone is pretty much enough to earn the scorn (rightful scorn, IMO) of a lot of people.
2014-01-19 07:27:10 PM
6 votes:
From what I understand this individual is an asshole and probably past his reproductive prime and endangers others in the community and unsuited to live in peace with others.

Not so sure about the Rhino tho.
2014-01-19 04:50:36 PM
6 votes:
Black Rhinos are endangered, douchebags aren't.
2014-01-19 04:39:14 PM
6 votes:
I want to be intimately involved with a black rhino.

TMI, dude.
2014-01-19 04:38:08 PM
6 votes:
Are we supposed to feel bad for him or... what?
2014-01-19 04:33:49 PM
6 votes:
How to you spell farking Asshole?
2014-01-19 09:17:32 PM
5 votes:

Hoban Washburne: doglover: So, they do indeed have a valid perspective of what hunting is like from their end. The only hunters I respect in the day of industrial slaughter houses and high powered rifles are sniper scouts, or "hunters of gunmen" as they dub themselves.

As someone who eats meat, I'm perfectly fine with "ethical hunting."  That is, hunting overpopulated (or at least not underpopulated) animals that would otherwise starve and eating and/or donating the meat.  A deer that gets killed in the wild has a much better life than a cow in a factory farm.  There is not really a "good death" in nature.  Animals usually die of starvation or getting eaten by other animals.  Being put down by a skilled hunter is probably one of the cleaner deaths possible for wild animals.  True fair chase deer stalking is actually very difficult and physically taxing.

The rhino is endangered and I seriously doubt this guy is planning to eat it, or that it will be a fair chase scenario.  I imagine he'll be driven by a guide in one of those safari jeeps, get relatively close, the rhino will be like "Ehh, whatever" because he's used to people in jeeps, and the guy will just shoot him.  That's a farking shiatty, cowardly thing to do.

You may personally be opposed to all types of hunting, but let's at least separate the reasonable from the ridiculous.


And as bojon pointed out this is a very specific hunt of a small number of post procreating animals with the proceeds of the lottery going to preservation efforts of the herd. I'm putting this on the reasonable side of that equation.
2014-01-19 04:58:35 PM
5 votes:

ecmoRandomNumbers: doglover: He's a hunter. fark him. He knows how the game works.

You're sitting at home, peacefully eating lunch with your family when BLAM a bullet rips out your lungs. You gasp uselessly as blood froths out of mouth and collapse. The last thing you see in your tunnel vision is your wife and children covered in your blood as you fall to the floor. A man in an orange vest kicks in your door and starts to decapitate you, because all he wanted was your head on his wall, but while your family is running away he takes a nice long look at your son and says "Soon, I'm coming back for him!"

Jesus.


Animals are conscious beings. Just because they're tasty and you're ignorant doesn't mean that they're some kind of meat robot. They've each got moods, personalities, memories. Even hive insects of exceedingly uniform nature, like ants, have some variations and learn by experience.

So, they do indeed have a valid perspective of what hunting is like from their end. The only hunters I respect in the day of industrial slaughter houses and high powered rifles are sniper scouts, or "hunters of gunmen" as they dub themselves.

Anyone else is cheating because animals can't shoot back.
2014-01-19 05:39:57 PM
4 votes:
NewportBarGuy: I think he means to have sex with that large beast.

Bloodninja: Ok baby, we got to hurry, I don't know how long I can keep it ready for you.
j_gurli13: thats ok. ok i'm a japanese schoolgirl, what r u.
Bloodninja: A Rhinocerus. Well, hung like one, thats for sure.
j_gurli13: haha, ok lets go.
j_gurli13: i put my hand through ur hair, and kiss u on the neck.
Bloodninja: I stomp the ground, and snort, to alert you that you are in my breeding territory.
j_gurli13: haha, ok, u know that turns me on.
j_gurli13: i start unbuttoning ur shirt.
Bloodninja: Rhinoceruses don't wear shirts.
j_gurli13: No, ur not really a Rhinocerus silly, it's just part of the game.
Bloodninja: Rhinoceruses don't play games. They f**king charge your ass.
j_gurli13: stop, cmon be serious.
Bloodninja: It doesn't get any more serious than a Rhinocerus about to charge your ass.
Bloodninja: I stomp my feet, the dust stirs around my tough skinned feet.
j_gurli13: thats it.
Bloodninja: Nostrils flaring, I lower my head. My horn, like some phallic symbol of my potent virility, is the last thing you see as skulls collide and mine remains the victor. You are now a bloody red ragdoll suspended in the air on my mighty horn.
Bloodninja: F**k am I hard now.
2014-01-19 04:35:03 PM
4 votes:
Or he's an attention whore
2014-01-20 12:20:47 AM
3 votes:

knbwhite: ZeroCorpse: Because nature has no idea how to manage itself without human intervention. I mean, the world of animals only got by for milliions of years without humans "managing" the herds. It's a good thing we finally got off our asses and evolved so other species could benefit from our wisdom regarding who live and who dies, and how.


When I see a comment like this I wonder how that person feels about abortion.  If they feel hunting is barbaric, do they think that any kind of termination of a fetus is barbaric?  I hate to go there, but sometimes there are people that like things that other people don't like.


I don't feel hunting is barbaric.

I feel that paying $350,000 to kill an animal that likely doesn't need to be tracked or actively hunted is a douchebag move. He could have donated $350,000 to the cause, and let the rangers put the animal down on the condition that he gets whatever trophy he wants... He didn't do that. He paid for the opportunity to kill something.

I feel about this the same way that I feel about people who want to pay to be the one to pull the lever at a criminal's execution. My problem is with the man and his motivations, not with the act of putting down an old animal (or a criminal).

Paying to kill an animal like this is a lot like Percy Wetmore in  The Green Mile  champing at the bit to execute a prisoner. It's the bloodlust and callousness that I object to. If he were actually  hunting the rhino-- especially if he weren't armed with a rifle-- I'd have some respect for him, perhaps.

As for a fetus being terminated-- They're not aware. They haven't accumulated memories, or lived a life at that point. They're biological matter with the  potential  to be a person, but they're nowhere near it yet.

I also don't see what one has to do with the other. It's like saying "Gosh, I see these people against high fructose corn syrup, and I wonder how they feel about eating buttered popcorn!"

But I don't have a problem with actual hunting... I have a problem with wealthy dickbags who pay for the chance to kill something that is unable to fight back or run away. That's not hunting. That's killing. Learn the difference before you pose another one of your oh-so-deep mind-benders.
2014-01-19 11:06:23 PM
3 votes:

bojon: Rhinos don't live forever folks. After they reach a certain age they do not procreate. $350K dedicated to saving the rest of the gene pool versus $0K if the animal just keels over and dies.


This.  The hunt is to cull (kill, whatever word you want), lone males who have NO value to the survival of the species.  $350K to kill an animal who can not possibly preserve the species, to be spent to protect the animals which CAN preserve the species, is money well spent.

The permit is to kill a lone male with no chance to help his species any longer.  The money will be spent to protect the viable members of the species.  This isn't complicated.  If the anti-hunting idiots and Wayne Purcells would wake up and face reality, they'd understand that this is neutral at worst, and $350K positive in reality.
2014-01-19 09:39:52 PM
3 votes:

vodka: People are so stupid. This animal will be killed whether by this man or game control. This particular rhino is old and farking evil, it's killing all the younger rhinos. The auction brings in a shiat-ton of money that will be used to protect the other rhinos and it's something that is going to be done anyway.


This. The hunter gets to cough up a lot of dough, the park gets money they need, and the herd as a whole benefits from the removal of a nonbreeding male that prevents the females from being bred by the younger males. Considering the slow reproductive cycle of rhinos as a whole, this does much good for the species.

But yes, hunting is bad, mmmkay.
2014-01-19 09:27:06 PM
3 votes:
I'd have less of a problem if this wasn't obviously a trophy license.  The rhino is on a preserve, they know exactly where he's going to be, and since the rhino likely has no earthly idea he's supposed to be mortally afraid of a white guy from Texas, shooting it isn't going to require a whole lot of skill unless it's charging him.

I'm all for hunting, but let's do it intelligently.  My family and my in-laws hunt, but they hunt deer and duck.  Deer are herd animals, they don't have nearly enough natural predators in the US, and they aren't endangered.  Ducks are assholes.  But in either case, the human is just substituting himself for a natural predator.  It doesn't sound like this rhino would be dying any time soon without human intervention.

However, I do applaud the proceeds going to support conservation efforts of the other rhinos.
2014-01-19 08:56:25 PM
3 votes:
Look on the bright side: Because of the new security detail, this guy is now creating jobs and stimulating the economy. Instead of tax cuts for the rich I suggest we institute death threats for the rich. Boom. Guaranteed jobs.
2014-01-19 08:12:18 PM
3 votes:

doglover: He's a hunter. fark him. He knows how the game works.

You're sitting at home, peacefully eating lunch with your family when BLAM a bullet rips out your lungs. You gasp uselessly as blood froths out of mouth and collapse. The last thing you see in your tunnel vision is your wife and children covered in your blood as you fall to the floor. A man in an orange vest kicks in your door and starts to decapitate you, because all he wanted was your head on his wall, but while your family is running away he takes a nice long look at your son and says "Soon, I'm coming back for him!"


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No, no no no... Like, a big sweaty fireman carries you out of a burning building, lays you on the sidewalk, and you think, "Yeah, okay, he's gonna give me mouth to mouth." But instead, he just starts choking the shiat out of you, and the last sensation that you feel before you die is he is squeezing your throat so hard that a big, wet, blob of drool drips off his teeth and just "flurr", falls right onto your popped out eyeball...
2014-01-19 08:07:33 PM
3 votes:

WTF Indeed: A man with 350k to blow on a hunting licence, but can't pass a basic middle school grammar test? I'm gonna call fake.


Texas.
2014-01-19 07:57:16 PM
3 votes:
fark this piece of human garbage.
2014-01-19 04:48:55 PM
3 votes:

doglover: He's a hunter. fark him. He knows how the game works.

You're sitting at home, peacefully eating lunch with your family when BLAM a bullet rips out your lungs. You gasp uselessly as blood froths out of mouth and collapse. The last thing you see in your tunnel vision is your wife and children covered in your blood as you fall to the floor. A man in an orange vest kicks in your door and starts to decapitate you, because all he wanted was your head on his wall, but while your family is running away he takes a nice long look at your son and says "Soon, I'm coming back for him!"


Jesus.
2014-01-19 04:40:59 PM
3 votes:
I want to experience a black rhino. I want to be intimately involved with a black rhino.

wow, dude.
2014-01-20 12:13:37 AM
2 votes:
What kind of pussy gets all excited hunting something that cant shoot back?
2014-01-20 12:12:03 AM
2 votes:
Hey, I shot your wife, your dad, your kids, and hit your mom with a car. Look, my bad. But don't worry. I'm gonna let this guy pay me $350k to kill you, and I'll use that money to help take care of your family. Well, your neighbor's family anyway.

It's win-win! :D
2014-01-19 11:21:55 PM
2 votes:

LanceDearnis: First off; turn down the troll filters for just a second, because I admit my next statement goes completely against common sense.

Dear Environmentalists: Guys like this are you greatest ally.

No, really. The plain fact is that the fees for hunting generally go right into conservation efforts. This guy is paying right into a Black Rhino Conservation fund - so he shoots one, and they get the resources to save 10. It's how most of the hunting works - weird as hell, but seriously, take a look at the money that comes in here.

Now, yes, it's not ideal that the main money for protecting the wildlife comes from people who are paying to shoot the wildlife. However, we have built this paradoxical system and it is working. Don't go crazy about it.


We can object to the man without making comment on the system.

And the man isn't doing this to save the herd. He's doing it because he wants to "experience" the killing of a black rhino. I think we're free to talk shiat about a douchebag like that.
2014-01-19 11:18:10 PM
2 votes:
Since we're going to kill criminals by death penalty anyway, why not sell tickets to pull the switch?
2014-01-19 11:17:49 PM
2 votes:
Fine... If someone wants to hunt an endangered rhino that is non-productive for the herd, that's fine... As long as he has to do it without a gun. Give him a spear and a knife, and send him out into the wild to actually HUNT like a real man, instead of being a pussy with a gun posted 200 yards from the animal.

If he can take down the rhino with a spear and knife, then he can call himself a hunter. Until then, he's just an asshole who paid to slaughter an animal for kicks.
2014-01-19 11:00:28 PM
2 votes:
Wow... fark has gone quite rabid and is showing its true lefty colors here almost unanimously...  As a Texan I fully support this hunt, and this mans right to help this endangered species and related conservation efforts while experiencing the thrill of a lifetime.   everyone that is outraged can just go choke on a bag of dicks as far as I care...
2014-01-19 10:59:57 PM
2 votes:
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2014-01-19 09:52:29 PM
2 votes:

RogermcAllen: Am I on crazy pills, or didn't it come out that the game wardens were going to have to shoot this rhino anyway because he was non-breeding and hurting the other rhinos?


Yep. But that doesn't stop people who can't get past the killing part. To some, the taking of a life with no remorse is a heinous thing. I get that. But in understanding that our natural world thrives on both life and death, and the balance between the two, there is no shame in hunting or playing the role of a predator. The problem is predation with no natural counterbalance, which is why predation checked by laws and conservation efforts is key.

Whether you enjoy the hunting sport or not, consider that humanity dominates the eco systems of the planet, and we have overrun countless natural habitats, disrupted many natural cycles and controls, and otherwise done a great job at throwing a monkey wrench into the works that kept the whole damn system running and everything in its place.

We also went so far as to extend our hubris and expectation of the infinite green world to excess. We've come a long way in learning how to better balance ourselves against the natural world. But that also means we still have a duty to act as predators, even more so with our destruction of other apex predators through habitat destruction, hunting, and dislocation.

Enjoying the act of hunting as a sport to many/most isn't about the killing, but the act of testing yourself against nature. There are many aspects to enjoy that has nothing to do with the killing. The killing is about the gaining of resources or acting as population control. And given how tasty most of the animals (save for feral pig and coyote) are, you're dumb if you don't eat what you kill.

But that's just me.
2014-01-19 09:48:37 PM
2 votes:
Meh. I seem to be the only one that thinks managed hunting for exorbitant fees is a good way to get assholes to pay for conservation.  The alternative is likely no money, no park/reserve and instead of a "X" many dying per year the whole lot is lost to uncontrolled poaching.

The alternative is there is no money to protect them and they all die.


Of course, all those PETA-philes could get together and throw a few bob in each and buy up the hunting rights each year and then none have to die. But then, I guess there is no naked attention whoring in that so that would never float.
2014-01-19 09:41:08 PM
2 votes:

TuteTibiImperes: Black Rhinos are endangered, douchebags aren't.


When the nuclear apocalypse comes, only roaches, Cher, fruitcake, and douchebags will endure.
2014-01-19 09:37:13 PM
2 votes:
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2014-01-19 08:39:21 PM
2 votes:
All kidding aside, boo farking hoo.

You're going to kill an endangered animal. For no reason other than bragging rights.

Look, I'm playing the world's smallest Farkin' violin that people don't like you're going to do it.

At least when I kill a deer, I use most of it.
2014-01-19 08:35:22 PM
2 votes:
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2014-01-19 08:09:27 PM
2 votes:

Tellingthem: Oh come on and man up. I wouldn't expect anything less if i was doing something like this. People will say this kind of stuff for pretty much anything. I got death threats when I worked at a crappy college radio station.


I used to get death threats doing customer service for a pre-paid cell phone company.
2014-01-19 05:43:24 PM
2 votes:
Probably fishes with dynamite.
2014-01-19 04:46:28 PM
2 votes:
I think he means to have sex with that large beast.
2014-01-19 04:39:38 PM
2 votes:
Time to arm Rhinos with nuclear weapons.
2014-01-20 09:02:47 AM
1 votes:

Kit Fister: Enjoying the act of hunting as a sport to many/most isn't about the killing, but the act of testing yourself against nature.


Shooting something at 1000 yards with a high power rifle where you were in no danger and the animal was not attacking you isn't testing yourself against nature.

Want to test yourself against nature? Be more like our ancestors and run the animal to exhaustion before you put it down with spears or an atlatl and arrow. That's sporting. Guns for hunting are not very sportsmanlike.
2014-01-20 02:37:22 AM
1 votes:
I don't understand the outrage over this damn rhino.
It's old, it's non reproductive and it's aggressive. They were planning on culling it for these reasons. Instead they decided to auction the culling part to a hunter, and in doing so raise badly needed funds for conservation.
Who gives a shiat if it's not sportsmanlike? It's a culling. This douchebag hunter guy is doing more for rhino conservation than all the people who want him and his children dead put together. And people think the hunter is the misguided bloodthirsty idiot in this scenario?
2014-01-20 02:19:48 AM
1 votes:
Oh, I'd imagine most of you that are screaming about him being an asshole have never done anything for conservation except bought things that were advertized on the National Georgrapic channel.  Probably most of you have never been in the woods unless you had a scout leader take you down to the local park to camp.
2014-01-20 02:02:00 AM
1 votes:

doglover: ecmoRandomNumbers: doglover: He's a hunter. fark him. He knows how the game works.

You're sitting at home, peacefully eating lunch with your family when BLAM a bullet rips out your lungs. You gasp uselessly as blood froths out of mouth and collapse. The last thing you see in your tunnel vision is your wife and children covered in your blood as you fall to the floor. A man in an orange vest kicks in your door and starts to decapitate you, because all he wanted was your head on his wall, but while your family is running away he takes a nice long look at your son and says "Soon, I'm coming back for him!"

Jesus.

Animals are conscious beings. Just because they're tasty and you're ignorant doesn't mean that they're some kind of meat robot. They've each got moods, personalities, memories. Even hive insects of exceedingly uniform nature, like ants, have some variations and learn by experience.

So, they do indeed have a valid perspective of what hunting is like from their end. The only hunters I respect in the day of industrial slaughter houses and high powered rifles are sniper scouts, or "hunters of gunmen" as they dub themselves.

Anyone else is cheating because animals can't shoot back.


Yet, you don't feel like a douchebag mass murderer when you scrape all the dead insects off of the front bumper of your car while washing it, do you?
2014-01-20 01:22:30 AM
1 votes:
If the guy actually went through the legal process and got a license, then there's not an huge issue. Yeah, I find it distasteful and think he's still a tool, but he's not the problem.   Poachers are the problem,  they're funded by the Asian brokers who trade in rhino horns.

If you're really that pissed off, instead of biatching of fark, donate to these guys http://www.iapf.org/en/   They're militant and actually know how to combat the assholes who are causing the eradication of the rhinos.
2014-01-20 01:15:21 AM
1 votes:
Perhaps the hunter would be OK with it if someone auctioned off the right to kill the hunter to the highest bidder, and then donated the proceeds to some hunting association.
2014-01-20 01:03:41 AM
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Sgt Otter: ultraholland: I want to experience a black rhino. I want to be intimately involved with a black rhino.

wow, dude.

My grandfather served in North Africa in World War II.  A few decades after the war, he took a trip back to see his old battlefields, and decided to do a tour of the whole continent, including a safari.

He had the opportunity to shoot a rhino.  Because they were rarely hunted by humans in that region (I don't recall where this was exactly), it wasn't scared of him, or his hunting party.  It just stared at him, casually grazing.  It didn't movie, it didn't threaten to charge.  It just stood there, staring and chewing.

He refused to shoot it, stating it would be "about as sporting as shooting a parked mini-van."


This, this is what I don't understand. How the fark do you take any pride in shooting something that's just standing still minding its own business? I'm not against killing animals, but you'd have to have the mind of a child or a retard to find fun in that.
2014-01-20 12:56:28 AM
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Well duh, dumbass. If you are willing going to hunt a defenseless ENDANGERED animal. Be prepared to pay the consequences. Watch one of the death threats is from Chuck Norris. I see a dodge ramming/running your dumbass over very soon. Grr sorry for the rant.. It freaking peeves me that a dumb fark wants to hunt an endangered species just because they are rare. If I ever meet/see him, his security guards would be no match for my adrenaline fuel hatred I would give him through a pair of classic brass knuckles.
2014-01-20 12:49:32 AM
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Johnsnownw:

But, yeah...lets go ahead an blindly assume that a nation that scores an "F" in the corruption index has the rhinos' best interest at heart.

You think they will take better, or worse care of rhinos when they know they are worth 300 thousand dollars?
2014-01-20 12:42:43 AM
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What the fark did he expect? It's a specific rhino. There will be no sport to the hunt. Like mentioned above, he'll probably just be driven up to it, he'll pull the trigger, and then go back to his hotel for a drink.
2014-01-20 12:17:20 AM
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Fark It: Don't you have a clocktower to get to?


No? Is this supposed to be a joke or something? Cause it's not very good?
2014-01-20 12:15:59 AM
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Fark It: Animals aren't people.


That's incredible considering people are animals.
2014-01-20 12:03:01 AM
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Maybe now he knows how the rhino feels.

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2014-01-19 11:58:44 PM
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When the aliens land, I am going to help them personally hunt ever last person in here who said it was okay to kill this rhino. Cause hey, you idiots won't mind, I'm just culling some non reproductives.
2014-01-19 11:48:37 PM
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I just got done eating a big ol' bowl of venison chili, so I'm getting a kick out of these replies.  A guy I knew who hunted in Germany told me they say a prayer for the animals they harvested that day.  That stuck with me and I think about it at the end of a hunt.

I don't hunt for trophies myself, but if what is written about the rhino being ready for cull is true I have no problem with this guy.
2014-01-19 11:40:52 PM
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Why is it ok to buy the opportunity to murder the animal when we cannot buy the chance to throw the switch of Ol' Sparky? Would it be unethical? Is that why we keep it to the official persons?

People are outraged because it leaves the realm of official duties and starts making headway into private hunts for those with the cash. If you really care about the herd, donate to the reserve and let them cull in an official capacity. Like an execution.

And with that, have a nice night all.
2014-01-19 11:36:05 PM
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Fark It: Apparently the concept of "herd management" never once crossed your impersonation of a mind.


Yes, because until humans came around to sort out this problem, rhinos were going to the shiats...
2014-01-19 11:29:47 PM
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LanceDearnis: First off; turn down the troll filters for just a second, because I admit my next statement goes completely against common sense.

Dear Environmentalists: Guys like this are you greatest ally.

No, really. The plain fact is that the fees for hunting generally go right into conservation efforts. This guy is paying right into a Black Rhino Conservation fund - so he shoots one, and they get the resources to save 10. It's how most of the hunting works - weird as hell, but seriously, take a look at the money that comes in here.

Now, yes, it's not ideal that the main money for protecting the wildlife comes from people who are paying to shoot the wildlife. However, we have built this paradoxical system and it is working. Don't go crazy about it.


One of the greatest conservationists in US history is Teddy Roosevelt, an active sports hunter.

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2014-01-19 11:20:09 PM
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Joe USer: What I learned from this thread:

Most people don't get the concept of herd management.


Because nature has no idea how to manage itself without human intervention. I mean, the world of animals only got by for milliions of years without humans "managing" the herds. It's a good thing we finally got off our asses and evolved so other species could benefit from our wisdom regarding who live and who dies, and how.
2014-01-19 11:18:06 PM
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I was all prepared to get outraged, then I saw

"The club says the Namibian rhino in question is older, male and nonbreeding - and that the animal was likely to be targeted for removal anyway because it was becoming aggressive. "

and

"Knowlton said he believed the hunt would be managed well and that the money would go to save rhinos in the end.".


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Get back to your Disney-fueled bawfests you braindead bleeding heart slacktivists. At least the guy is culling the heard and gives money back and you're not helping.
2014-01-19 11:11:45 PM
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What I learned from this thread:

Most people don't get the concept of herd management.
2014-01-19 11:08:37 PM
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acohn: serial_crusher: Meh, the younger rhinos get the protection they need.  The conservationists get a ton of money to further conservation efforts.  The rich asshole gets an opportunity to be a rich asshole.

Sounds to me like everybody wins.

Or he could, you know, stop being an asshole for 20 minutes and write the conservationists a $350K check.


Or you could, you know, stop being an asshole for 20 minutes and recognize that it doesn't matter if the individual in question will experience the death of the rhino first hand, the rhino will still die and the conservationists will still get their money.  if anything, the individual flying over to Namibia will create extra income for the tourism trade, whereas a game warden performing the task will provide no additional benefits.

If eco-terrorists can afford to buy and outfit multiple large sea vessels, respectable land-based preservation/conservation groups could've raised enough funds to outbid most interested parties and done whatever they pleased.

But they didn't, so they can kindly shut the fark up and stop being petty assholes.
2014-01-19 10:53:36 PM
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JK8Fan: bojon: Rhinos don't live forever folks. After they reach a certain age they do not procreate. $350K dedicated to saving the rest of the gene pool versus $0K if the animal just keels over and dies.

I think the issue is he is just paying to shoot the thing. He isn't really hunting it. Basically what will happen is guides will point at one and say "Shoot that one" and douchebag pulls the trigger. Then, he gets to tell all of his douchebag friends about his African hunting adventure - which in reality was just driving out in a Land Rover to where some Rhinos are standing around.


Maybe if they went a more humane route with tranqs followed by a lethal injection? Perhaps stick it on an ice floe? I say give him a spear a knife and a general direction of the critter and let nature take it's course.

It seems like a lot of people are humanizing this. After all, old people put out to pasture aren't expecting to be blindsided by ordinance and they expected to be treated and provided for as well as protected animals. If this could happen to something as majestic as the rhino, what chance does cantankerous granny Charlotte stand?
2014-01-19 10:53:06 PM
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If you enjoy reading about asswipes that hunt black rhinos getting their just desserts try Sick Puppy by Carl Hiaasen.
2014-01-19 10:52:56 PM
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vodka: People are so stupid. This animal will be killed whether by this man or game control. This particular rhino is old and farking evil, it's killing all the younger rhinos. The auction brings in a shiat-ton of money that will be used to protect the other rhinos and it's something that is going to be done anyway.


Exactly. People don't understand how Africa works. Game wardens are the only thing that stand in between poachers and the endangered animals and unfortunately many of these wardens have lost their jobs due to hunting bans. Without game wardens, poachers can operate freely. And poachers are the real enemy.
2014-01-19 10:51:10 PM
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It should be e pretty epic hunt. I wonder if they're going to go for the maximum challenge of letting it roam freely in its pen, or if they'll play it safe and stake it to one spot.
2014-01-19 10:45:51 PM
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2014-01-19 10:40:32 PM
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bojon: Rhinos don't live forever folks. After they reach a certain age they do not procreate. $350K dedicated to saving the rest of the gene pool versus $0K if the animal just keels over and dies.


I think the issue is he is just paying to shoot the thing. He isn't really hunting it. Basically what will happen is guides will point at one and say "Shoot that one" and douchebag pulls the trigger. Then, he gets to tell all of his douchebag friends about his African hunting adventure - which in reality was just driving out in a Land Rover to where some Rhinos are standing around.
2014-01-19 10:40:28 PM
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My violin became so tiny that it formed into a tiny spacial anomaly.
2014-01-19 10:01:19 PM
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I don't really mind the idea of auctioning off the right to kill this rhino but I think he should have to do it with a knife instead of a gun.
2014-01-19 09:56:24 PM
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Ahem:

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Native American.

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2014-01-19 09:55:32 PM
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DamnYankees: No they wouldn't. Have you ever met an Indian? The ones I've met (and my father is an adopted member of the Oglala Sioux) call themselves Indians and think the other names are stupid.

I'm sure some Indians don't like the term, and if I meet one who doesn't like it I won't use it, but I've never met an Indian who was offended by it.

Generally though, they prefer to be called by their actual tribe name.


Indian:

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Native American:

Seriously. Don't be that guy. You might as well say "My black friends say it's cool if I say the N word"
2014-01-19 09:52:08 PM
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DamnYankees: Also, most Indians would laugh in your face if you said the reason they hunted was tradition - Indians hunted for food and fur and useful reasons.


Most Indians would also punch you in the face if you called them an Indian too.
2014-01-19 09:52:04 PM
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DamnYankees: zzrhardy: I seem to be the only one that thinks managed hunting for exorbitant fees is a good way to get assholes to pay for conservation.  The alternative is likely no money, no park/reserve and instead of a "X" many dying per year the whole lot is lost to uncontrolled poaching.

The alternative is there is no money to protect them and they all die.

The alternative is that this guy could have just donated the money.


He's an asshole. He's not going to donate money to an environmental cause. And the liberal whiners are serving fries and can't afford to donate money.
2014-01-19 09:51:59 PM
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What a crybaby. Oooh, you got death threats on the Internet. That doesn't mean you're actually in danger, you puscatore, it just means 12-year-olds have access to Twitter.
2014-01-19 09:50:35 PM
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hardinparamedic: DamnYankees: How is "tradition" a right reason?

See Native Americans and tribal cultures.


Ok - how is "tradition" a right reason? I don't care if you're European or Indian, its not a good reason.

Also, most Indians would laugh in your face if you said the reason they hunted was tradition - Indians hunted for food and fur and useful reasons.
2014-01-19 09:49:25 PM
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DamnYankees: How is "tradition" a right reason?


See Native Americans and tribal cultures.
2014-01-19 09:49:17 PM
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zzrhardy: I seem to be the only one that thinks managed hunting for exorbitant fees is a good way to get assholes to pay for conservation.  The alternative is likely no money, no park/reserve and instead of a "X" many dying per year the whole lot is lost to uncontrolled poaching.

The alternative is there is no money to protect them and they all die.


The alternative is that this guy could have just donated the money.
2014-01-19 09:46:43 PM
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hardinparamedic: Hunting is okay if you're doing it for the right reasons - food, population control, tradition...


How is "tradition" a right reason?
2014-01-19 09:45:34 PM
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Kit Fister: But yes, hunting is bad, mmmkay.


Hunting is okay if you're doing it for the right reasons - food, population control, tradition...

Those reasons are not including bragging rights and a horn to mount on your wall.
2014-01-19 09:44:28 PM
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Secret Agent X23: I want to be intimately involved with a black rhino.

TMI, dude.



You have a dirty mind. He just means like Ace Ventura:
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2014-01-19 09:43:09 PM
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vodka: People are so stupid. This animal will be killed whether by this man or game control. This particular rhino is old and farking evil, it's killing all the younger rhinos. The auction brings in a shiat-ton of money that will be used to protect the other rhinos and it's something that is going to be done anyway.


You are never going to convinve the uneducated dolts that don't understand actual science...you will always lose to the loud, greasy wheels that spout inane pseudo-science.
2014-01-19 09:42:24 PM
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In all honesty, if the animal is of an endangered species and not of a breeding stock, it probably should be killed.  And if you can raise money by killing it, all the better.

If it's not breeding, then all it is doing is taking up resources which could be applied to keeping the breeding stock alive.
2014-01-19 09:40:04 PM
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Am I on crazy pills, or didn't it come out that the game wardens were going to have to shoot this rhino anyway because he was non-breeding and hurting the other rhinos?
2014-01-19 09:35:36 PM
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You killed an endangered animal for fun. You're a piece of shiat. How do you expect to be treated?

/death threats still not apporpriate
2014-01-19 09:05:10 PM
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2014-01-19 09:03:13 PM
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Absolutely disgusting.  They're hunting this man like he's a defenseless animal.
2014-01-19 08:37:29 PM
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Micropenis...
2014-01-19 08:30:03 PM
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doglover: He's a hunter. fark him. He knows how the game works.

You're sitting at home, peacefully eating lunch with your family when BLAM a bullet rips out your lungs. You gasp uselessly as blood froths out of mouth and collapse. The last thing you see in your tunnel vision is your wife and children covered in your blood as you fall to the floor. A man in an orange vest kicks in your door and starts to decapitate you, because all he wanted was your head on his wall, but while your family is running away he takes a nice long look at your son and says "Soon, I'm coming back for him!"


Best post of the day.  Easily.
2014-01-19 08:19:54 PM
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hardinparamedic: doglover: He's a hunter. fark him. He knows how the game works.

You're sitting at home, peacefully eating lunch with your family when BLAM a bullet rips out your lungs. You gasp uselessly as blood froths out of mouth and collapse. The last thing you see in your tunnel vision is your wife and children covered in your blood as you fall to the floor. A man in an orange vest kicks in your door and starts to decapitate you, because all he wanted was your head on his wall, but while your family is running away he takes a nice long look at your son and says "Soon, I'm coming back for him!"

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No, no no no... Like, a big sweaty fireman carries you out of a burning building, lays you on the sidewalk, and you think, "Yeah, okay, he's gonna give me mouth to mouth." But instead, he just starts choking the shiat out of you, and the last sensation that you feel before you die is he is squeezing your throat so hard that a big, wet, blob of drool drips off his teeth and just "flurr", falls right onto your popped out eyeball...


Sploosh!
2014-01-19 08:17:35 PM
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2014-01-19 08:10:41 PM
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doglover: Texas.


No. If you have enough brains to make the 350k + 20k to get to Africa and stay there, you have a lawyer who can write up a real statement.
2014-01-19 08:07:08 PM
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Christ, what an asshole.
2014-01-19 07:54:46 PM
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"They're wanting to kill me," he said. "They're wanting to kill my children. They're wanting to skin us alive."


Maybe you should use some of that blood money for remedial grammar lessons, you stupid farking yokel.
2014-01-19 07:10:35 PM
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doglover:

I feel like that was in response to me.  I stated clearly that I was against rhino hunting but didn't have a problem with hunting overpopulated animals.  I don't disagree with a lot of what you're saying, but telling me rhino hunting is bad after what I said makes it look like I advocate rhino hunting.
2014-01-19 05:16:06 PM
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doglover: He's a hunter. fark him. He knows how the game works.

You're sitting at home, peacefully eating lunch with your family when BLAM a bullet rips out your lungs. You gasp uselessly as blood froths out of mouth and collapse. The last thing you see in your tunnel vision is your wife and children covered in your blood as you fall to the floor. A man in an orange vest kicks in your door and starts to decapitate you, because all he wanted was your head on his wall, but while your family is running away he takes a nice long look at your son and says "Soon, I'm coming back for him!"


Nice!
 
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