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(SeattlePI)   A North Texas man who paid $350,000 for the right to hunt an endangered African black rhino said he's had to hire full-time security due to death threats after his name was leaked onto the Internet   (seattlepi.com) divider line 395
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2014-01-20 01:43:06 AM  

Johnsnownw: Yogimus: Johnsnownw:

But, yeah...lets go ahead an blindly assume that a nation that scores an "F" in the corruption index has the rhinos' best interest at heart.

You think they will take better, or worse care of rhinos when they know they are worth 300 thousand dollars?

If I were betting, I'd say they would take care of them so far as sick rhinos worth $350,000 were still around.


FWIW I read the original article and it said he got an exception to import the skin of the rhino from the US Fish and Wildlife Service. I doubt they would grant an exception if the government of Namibia were doing it in a sustainable manner healthy for the population.
 
2014-01-20 01:43:59 AM  

Phil Moskowitz: Enjoy the most dangerous game, biatch.


Strip Monopoly?
 
2014-01-20 01:47:03 AM  

Yogimus: Here is the point I am trying to make: HISTORICALLY speaking, all the truly successful reservations are in private hands, to include Texas in the 90's(1). These areas are run for profit, and auction off the endangered animals in their care. This makes the animals EXTREMELY VALUABLE, and makes it financially viable to ensure their well being. (2) 

These areas provide stability to the region in which they are founded, (3) and prevent nearly all poaching, because they kill the hell out of the poachers. (4) FINALLY, when laws are passed to BAN such hunting activity, the financial viability of the animals, the animals are either culled, to make room for more financially viable beasts, or die out within a generation or two, because no effort is made in their preservation. (5)

SO, if you want to SAVE a species, make the species valuable. a THIRD OF A MILLION DOLLARS in AFRICA buys a lot of employees, and a lot of habitat maintenance. The guy is >Helping< the Black Rhino through his actions.

(1)https://www.google.com/search?q=private+game+reserves+texas&ie=ut f-8&o e=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
(2) https://www.google.com/search?q=private+game+reserves+south+africa&ie= utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
(3)http://www.scienceinafrica.co.za/2006/december/gamereserves.htm
(4)http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/28/rhino-poachers-south-afr ica_n _2969872.html
(5)http://blog.heritage.org/2012/06/16/wildlife-hunting-friends-of-a nimal s-threaten-endangered-species-in-texas/   (This link is a bit biased, but has its own references)

/My second point? Mr. Culling of humanity needs to take a shiat or get off the pot.


Going to leave this here again... For Profit reservations tend to do better than the "no kill" types.
 
2014-01-20 01:47:27 AM  
Also for everyone else still in the thread, read this.

US Fish and Wildlife already approved a similar hunt in 2009. World Wildlife Foundation -- the organization with the cute panda as its logo -- worked with USFW and approved of it as well. The conservation club went through the same process that the 2009 hunt went through.
 
2014-01-20 01:53:21 AM  
"I want to experience a black rhino. I want to be intimately involved with a black rhino." Damn, you are one sick kinky bastard, hoss. You make a video of that action and we can make some real money.

Not the brightest bulb on the marquee, though. If you're concerned about death threats, is it really a good idea to go on television where everyone can get a good look at you?


 

super_grass: Way, way too many internet manliness experts in ITT.

That or just people who didn't RTFA and are looking for an excuse to dump on the guy.


Oh? Did I miss the part where his intention is to shoot a rhino with a camera?
 
2014-01-20 02:02:00 AM  

doglover: ecmoRandomNumbers: doglover: He's a hunter. fark him. He knows how the game works.

You're sitting at home, peacefully eating lunch with your family when BLAM a bullet rips out your lungs. You gasp uselessly as blood froths out of mouth and collapse. The last thing you see in your tunnel vision is your wife and children covered in your blood as you fall to the floor. A man in an orange vest kicks in your door and starts to decapitate you, because all he wanted was your head on his wall, but while your family is running away he takes a nice long look at your son and says "Soon, I'm coming back for him!"

Jesus.

Animals are conscious beings. Just because they're tasty and you're ignorant doesn't mean that they're some kind of meat robot. They've each got moods, personalities, memories. Even hive insects of exceedingly uniform nature, like ants, have some variations and learn by experience.

So, they do indeed have a valid perspective of what hunting is like from their end. The only hunters I respect in the day of industrial slaughter houses and high powered rifles are sniper scouts, or "hunters of gunmen" as they dub themselves.

Anyone else is cheating because animals can't shoot back.


Yet, you don't feel like a douchebag mass murderer when you scrape all the dead insects off of the front bumper of your car while washing it, do you?
 
2014-01-20 02:02:35 AM  

DrBenway: Oh? Did I miss the part where his intention is to shoot a rhino with a camera?


That would be expensive and silly. I guess he could take pictures of the rhino being shot, because its going to happen either way.
 
2014-01-20 02:03:04 AM  

Yogimus: I blame the white man.


Well, it IS a *black* rhino...
 
2014-01-20 02:03:19 AM  

redmid17: Johnsnownw: Yogimus: Johnsnownw:

But, yeah...lets go ahead an blindly assume that a nation that scores an "F" in the corruption index has the rhinos' best interest at heart.

You think they will take better, or worse care of rhinos when they know they are worth 300 thousand dollars?

If I were betting, I'd say they would take care of them so far as sick rhinos worth $350,000 were still around.

FWIW I read the original article and it said he got an exception to import the skin of the rhino from the US Fish and Wildlife Service. I doubt they would grant an exception if the government of Namibia were doing it in a sustainable manner healthy for the population.


A fair point.
 
2014-01-20 02:03:47 AM  
"I'm a hunter," Knowlton told WFAA. "I want to experience a black rhino. I want to be intimately involved with a black rhino. If I go over there and shoot it or not shoot it, it's beyond the point."

So if it doesn't matter, why are you going to shoot it? I bet a $350k donation will enable you to get "intimately involved" with a black rhino.

I get that it's an older, non-breeding male who's interfering with the breeding and needs to be removed for the good of the herd. But it's just grotesque to do it this way, for someone to shoot the animal because he wants the head on his wall or hide on his floor. It's contrary to the spirit of conservation.

And there's nothing that says this animal will die quickly and painlessly from the first shot. It could die slowly and painfully, terrorized, trying to run with a bullet in it's leg.

And not that it's a logical argument against the shooting, but I seriously wonder about a person who wants to do this. Who wants to travel to see an animal in it's natural habitat, get fairly close and then just shoot it? It seems so pointless, why do you want to watch this animal die, why do you want to be the cause of death?

I used to go hunting with my dad, we ate everything we got. I have family members who hunt and I eat the meat from animals they've shot. And no, none of us need to hunt for food, but we do need food and it's really not any different from buying meat in the grocery store. I think if you eat meat, you can't really be opposed to hunting when the hunters eat their catch. But just shooting an animal for no good reason, just because it's big or exotic? It just feels wrong.
 
2014-01-20 02:07:03 AM  

Yogimus: RIGHTEOUS INDIGNATION!
MORAL SUPERIORITY!


wcinsights.com
 
2014-01-20 02:11:37 AM  

Launchpad1986: Well duh, dumbass. If you are willing going to hunt a defenseless ENDANGERED animal. Be prepared to pay the consequences. Watch one of the death threats is from Chuck Norris. I see a dodge ramming/running your dumbass over very soon. Grr sorry for the rant.. It freaking peeves me that a dumb fark wants to hunt an endangered species just because they are rare. If I ever meet/see him, his security guards would be no match for my adrenaline fuel hatred I would give him through a pair of classic brass knuckles.


a) Suuuuure, you will, Mr ITG.
b) More likely driving a Prius than a Dodge.
c) Chuck Norris is a little old biatch.
d) See [a]. Your "adrenaline-fueled hatred" (to use proper spelling and grammar) would be a damp squib; you'd quake, but cower, muttering something along the lines of "...because..." followed by some excuse for your being all bark and no bite.
 
2014-01-20 02:18:32 AM  

Phins: "I'm a hunter," Knowlton told WFAA. "I want to experience a black rhino. I want to be intimately involved with a black rhino. If I go over there and shoot it or not shoot it, it's beyond the point."

So if it doesn't matter, why are you going to shoot it? I bet a $350k donation will enable you to get "intimately involved" with a black rhino.

I get that it's an older, non-breeding male who's interfering with the breeding and needs to be removed for the good of the herd. But it's just grotesque to do it this way, for someone to shoot the animal because he wants the head on his wall or hide on his floor. It's contrary to the spirit of conservation.

And there's nothing that says this animal will die quickly and painlessly from the first shot. It could die slowly and painfully, terrorized, trying to run with a bullet in it's leg.

And not that it's a logical argument against the shooting, but I seriously wonder about a person who wants to do this. Who wants to travel to see an animal in it's natural habitat, get fairly close and then just shoot it? It seems so pointless, why do you want to watch this animal die, why do you want to be the cause of death?

I used to go hunting with my dad, we ate everything we got. I have family members who hunt and I eat the meat from animals they've shot. And no, none of us need to hunt for food, but we do need food and it's really not any different from buying meat in the grocery store. I think if you eat meat, you can't really be opposed to hunting when the hunters eat their catch. But just shooting an animal for no good reason, just because it's big or exotic? It just feels wrong.


I mean that's more or less the goal when I go hunting for deer or turkey. He's also donating all the meat to the local tribes, so it's not just a waste.

I get people not liking sport hunting. I don't do it myself. I just don't really see an issue where it's substantially contributing to the maintenance and expansion of the species. Hell even most guys I know who deer hunt will pass on a younger buck or a doe for something older and larger. They more more meat, even if it's not as good, and they don't mind the set of antlers.
 
2014-01-20 02:19:48 AM  
Oh, I'd imagine most of you that are screaming about him being an asshole have never done anything for conservation except bought things that were advertized on the National Georgrapic channel.  Probably most of you have never been in the woods unless you had a scout leader take you down to the local park to camp.
 
2014-01-20 02:28:24 AM  

Secret Agent X23: I want to be intimately involved with a black rhino.

TMI, dude.


Which, to you, means "kill it". Your security perimeter is facing the wrong way.
 
2014-01-20 02:37:22 AM  
I don't understand the outrage over this damn rhino.
It's old, it's non reproductive and it's aggressive. They were planning on culling it for these reasons. Instead they decided to auction the culling part to a hunter, and in doing so raise badly needed funds for conservation.
Who gives a shiat if it's not sportsmanlike? It's a culling. This douchebag hunter guy is doing more for rhino conservation than all the people who want him and his children dead put together. And people think the hunter is the misguided bloodthirsty idiot in this scenario?
 
2014-01-20 02:47:45 AM  

WaffleStomper: Oh, I'd imagine most of you that are screaming about him being an asshole have never done anything for conservation except bought things that were advertized on the National Georgrapic channel.  Probably most of you have never been in the woods unless you had a scout leader take you down to the local park to camp.


I buy free-trade coffee and I carry it home in reusable grocery bags. Does that count?  Have I earned the right to wharrgarbl about a rhino they were going to cull anyway?
 
2014-01-20 02:48:31 AM  

Bonobo62: WaffleStomper: Oh, I'd imagine most of you that are screaming about him being an asshole have never done anything for conservation except bought things that were advertized on the National Georgrapic channel.  Probably most of you have never been in the woods unless you had a scout leader take you down to the local park to camp.

I buy free-trade coffee and I carry it home in reusable grocery bags. Does that count?  Have I earned the right to wharrgarbl about a rhino they were going to cull anyway?


What kind of reusable grocery bags are they?
 
2014-01-20 02:48:53 AM  

doglover: He's a hunter. fark him. He knows how the game works.

You're sitting at home, peacefully eating lunch with your family when BLAM a bullet rips out your lungs. You gasp uselessly as blood froths out of mouth and collapse. The last thing you see in your tunnel vision is your wife and children covered in your blood as you fall to the floor. A man in an orange vest kicks in your door and starts to decapitate you, because all he wanted was your head on his wall, but while your family is running away he takes a nice long look at your son and says "Soon, I'm coming back for him!"


I read that in Joe Pesci's voice.
 
2014-01-20 03:13:28 AM  

Dear Jerk: The hunter becomes the hunted. mlol*.

*muahahaha


You know it.

www.filmwerk.co.uk
 
2014-01-20 03:15:02 AM  

Joe USer: The Southern Dandy: Perhaps the hunter would be OK with it if someone auctioned off the right to kill the hunter to the highest bidder, and then donated the proceeds to some hunting association.

Grow up.


I drive a Dodge Stratus!
 
2014-01-20 03:21:18 AM  

DrBenway: "I want to experience a black rhino. I want to be intimately involved with a black rhino." Damn, you are one sick kinky bastard, hoss. You make a video of that action and we can make some real money.

Not the brightest bulb on the marquee, though. If you're concerned about death threats, is it really a good idea to go on television where everyone can get a good look at you?


 super_grass: Way, way too many internet manliness experts in ITT.

That or just people who didn't RTFA and are looking for an excuse to dump on the guy.

Oh? Did I miss the part where his intention is to shoot a rhino with a camera?



Found one!
 
2014-01-20 03:40:37 AM  

sjcousins: I don't understand the outrage over this damn rhino.
It's old, it's non reproductive and it's aggressive. They were planning on culling it for these reasons. Instead they decided to auction the culling part to a hunter, and in doing so raise badly needed funds for conservation.
Who gives a shiat if it's not sportsmanlike? It's a culling. This douchebag hunter guy is doing more for rhino conservation than all the people who want him and his children dead put together. And people think the hunter is the misguided bloodthirsty idiot in this scenario?


See above Yogimus: Righteous indignation! Moral superiority!

Throw in some Basic ignorance as well.
 
2014-01-20 03:42:41 AM  
Maybe his cash will help with conservation but more likely it's a shakedown by Tanzania who know there are jerks out there who will pay handsomely to shoot an endangered species.
<p>
Any way, what a colossal ass of a man.
 
2014-01-20 03:49:49 AM  

drxym: Maybe his cash will help with conservation but more likely it's a shakedown by Tanzania who know there are jerks out there who will pay handsomely to shoot an endangered species.
<p>
Any way, what a colossal ass of a man.


I doubt Tanzania is getting any money from this, given that the hunt is in Namibia and over 2,000 miles away
 
2014-01-20 03:52:02 AM  

Fark It: violentsalvation: God the stupid comments just keep coming. WTF difference does it make? the animal is going to be killed either way. That part is wildlife management and conservation, it's not some reckless killing. I don't like trophy hunting but the other rhinos could use $350k steered at them. You guys can have the next one if you can find a preserve or zoo able to take it, fund and find a way to move it, and match the winning bid on the next hunt. That's it, you can do as much for the species as a trophy hunter. Get to work.

This thread has convinced me to put hog-hunting from a helicopter on my bucket list.


These threads remind me of how kneejerky people are. And I get their reactions, but come on dorks, bring this discussion back down to reality. If we lived in a perfect world there would be a zoo for this old bastard, but we don't have that world yet.
 
2014-01-20 03:55:22 AM  

DrPainMD: doglover: He's a hunter. fark him. He knows how the game works.

You're sitting at home, peacefully eating lunch with your family when BLAM a bullet rips out your lungs. You gasp uselessly as blood froths out of mouth and collapse. The last thing you see in your tunnel vision is your wife and children covered in your blood as you fall to the floor. A man in an orange vest kicks in your door and starts to decapitate you, because all he wanted was your head on his wall, but while your family is running away he takes a nice long look at your son and says "Soon, I'm coming back for him!"

I read that in Joe Pesci's voice.


You Bastard! Now i can't read it any other way.
 
2014-01-20 04:34:10 AM  

DrPainMD: doglover: ecmoRandomNumbers: doglover: He's a hunter. fark him. He knows how the game works.

You're sitting at home, peacefully eating lunch with your family when BLAM a bullet rips out your lungs. You gasp uselessly as blood froths out of mouth and collapse. The last thing you see in your tunnel vision is your wife and children covered in your blood as you fall to the floor. A man in an orange vest kicks in your door and starts to decapitate you, because all he wanted was your head on his wall, but while your family is running away he takes a nice long look at your son and says "Soon, I'm coming back for him!"

Jesus.

Animals are conscious beings. Just because they're tasty and you're ignorant doesn't mean that they're some kind of meat robot. They've each got moods, personalities, memories. Even hive insects of exceedingly uniform nature, like ants, have some variations and learn by experience.

So, they do indeed have a valid perspective of what hunting is like from their end. The only hunters I respect in the day of industrial slaughter houses and high powered rifles are sniper scouts, or "hunters of gunmen" as they dub themselves.

Anyone else is cheating because animals can't shoot back.

Yet, you don't feel like a douchebag mass murderer when you scrape all the dead insects off of the front bumper of your car while washing it, do you?


What am I, funny to you? Am I some kind of clown, here to amuse you?

;)

/Seriously, though, ever crushed a bug between your fingers as it struggled for its life? Felt Death come for it with your own skin? The person who doesn't feel bad after that is a monster.
 
2014-01-20 04:35:51 AM  
Originally it was supposed to be a hunt for an aggressive male of non-breeding age.  I don't know what kind of weirdo pays a small fortune to do that, but at least it wasn't pure evil.

Then it turned out they killed a pregnant female.  Of an endangered species.  Of course it's no surprise the idiot who would find this appealing wouldn't give a crap.
 
2014-01-20 04:40:23 AM  

doglover: DrPainMD: doglover: ecmoRandomNumbers: doglover: He's a hunter. fark him. He knows how the game works.

You're sitting at home, peacefully eating lunch with your family when BLAM a bullet rips out your lungs. You gasp uselessly as blood froths out of mouth and collapse. The last thing you see in your tunnel vision is your wife and children covered in your blood as you fall to the floor. A man in an orange vest kicks in your door and starts to decapitate you, because all he wanted was your head on his wall, but while your family is running away he takes a nice long look at your son and says "Soon, I'm coming back for him!"

Jesus.

Animals are conscious beings. Just because they're tasty and you're ignorant doesn't mean that they're some kind of meat robot. They've each got moods, personalities, memories. Even hive insects of exceedingly uniform nature, like ants, have some variations and learn by experience.

So, they do indeed have a valid perspective of what hunting is like from their end. The only hunters I respect in the day of industrial slaughter houses and high powered rifles are sniper scouts, or "hunters of gunmen" as they dub themselves.

Anyone else is cheating because animals can't shoot back.

Yet, you don't feel like a douchebag mass murderer when you scrape all the dead insects off of the front bumper of your car while washing it, do you?

What am I, funny to you? Am I some kind of clown, here to amuse you?

;)

/Seriously, though, ever crushed a bug between your fingers as it struggled for its life? Felt Death come for it with your own skin? The person who doesn't feel bad after that is a monster.


Ok
 
2014-01-20 04:41:22 AM  

Arcanum: Originally it was supposed to be a hunt for an aggressive male of non-breeding age.  I don't know what kind of weirdo pays a small fortune to do that, but at least it wasn't pure evil.

Then it turned out they killed a pregnant female.  Of an endangered species.  Of course it's no surprise the idiot who would find this appealing wouldn't give a crap.


Well given that the USFW would call that a complete lie, I'd *love* to see a citation.
 
2014-01-20 04:53:01 AM  

violentsalvation: Fark It: violentsalvation: God the stupid comments just keep coming. WTF difference does it make? the animal is going to be killed either way. That part is wildlife management and conservation, it's not some reckless killing. I don't like trophy hunting but the other rhinos could use $350k steered at them. You guys can have the next one if you can find a preserve or zoo able to take it, fund and find a way to move it, and match the winning bid on the next hunt. That's it, you can do as much for the species as a trophy hunter. Get to work.

This thread has convinced me to put hog-hunting from a helicopter on my bucket list.

These threads remind me of how kneejerky people are. And I get their reactions, but come on dorks, bring this discussion back down to reality. If we lived in a perfect world there would be a zoo for this old bastard, but we don't have that world yet.


I am okay with the rhino hunting thing, for all the reasons given many times over in this thread - seriously, the real bad guys are the poachers and their asshole customers, spend this energy on them - but I can understand why it rubs people the wrong way.

It's sort of like the thing about the people who really really want to hold political office being the last ones who should, or the way we think it's fine that euthanising puppies is part of someone's job but we might look askance at the guy who kept begging for that assignment (especially if he kept talking about intimacy).

This guy didn't just put in $500 for a charity rhino-hunt lottery and happen to get picked, he wasn't a big conservation donor surprised with a chance to participate in a cull, he isn't even some uberwealthy douche who would've otherwise just blown the $350K on a weekend in Vegas. He seems to just really want to kill this rhino SO. VERY. FARKING. MUCH. (and/or his partner wants the carcass that badly).

Not that he should be threatened or anything, but I get why he isn't viewed very sympathetically.

/if the news were  about a Namibian park ranger putting down an elderly rhino, no one would notice
//I do wonder how much incentive this gives them to find other rhinos that "need" culling
 
2014-01-20 05:12:02 AM  

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: violentsalvation: Fark It: violentsalvation: God the stupid comments just keep coming. WTF difference does it make? the animal is going to be killed either way. That part is wildlife management and conservation, it's not some reckless killing. I don't like trophy hunting but the other rhinos could use $350k steered at them. You guys can have the next one if you can find a preserve or zoo able to take it, fund and find a way to move it, and match the winning bid on the next hunt. That's it, you can do as much for the species as a trophy hunter. Get to work.

This thread has convinced me to put hog-hunting from a helicopter on my bucket list.

These threads remind me of how kneejerky people are. And I get their reactions, but come on dorks, bring this discussion back down to reality. If we lived in a perfect world there would be a zoo for this old bastard, but we don't have that world yet.

I am okay with the rhino hunting thing, for all the reasons given many times over in this thread - seriously, the real bad guys are the poachers and their asshole customers, spend this energy on them - but I can understand why it rubs people the wrong way.

It's sort of like the thing about the people who really really want to hold political office being the last ones who should, or the way we think it's fine that euthanising puppies is part of someone's job but we might look askance at the guy who kept begging for that assignment (especially if he kept talking about intimacy).

This guy didn't just put in $500 for a charity rhino-hunt lottery and happen to get picked, he wasn't a big conservation donor surprised with a chance to participate in a cull, he isn't even some uberwealthy douche who would've otherwise just blown the $350K on a weekend in Vegas. He seems to just really want to kill this rhino SO. VERY. FARKING. MUCH. (and/or his partner wants the carcass that badly).

Not that he should be threatened or anything, but I get why he isn't viewed very sympathetically.

/if th ...


Given that the USFW already greenlit an exactly similar scenario, the odds are pretty low that Namibia is doing this for the lulz or only the cash.
 
2014-01-20 05:24:05 AM  
And?
 
2014-01-20 05:30:47 AM  
B-b-b-b-bbut!!! I'm a complete, total, creepy, f**ked-up asshole who is within his rights!!!

WHY don't nobody love me? I'm rich!
I'm ENTITLED to be loved, dammit!
 
2014-01-20 05:34:02 AM  
Probably covered elsewhere by the thread already.

1: This rhino is going to get killed no matter what. If it's going to die, you might as well charge someone out the ass to do it. That's a $350,000 luxury. He's not getting a return on his investment. Why does he need death threats when he's basically throwing $350,000 down a hole to shoot an animal? I'd be okay with an asshole losing $350,000 because he's an asshole.

2: Rhino is non-breeding, meaning he's already sired all of his children. At that age, it becomes a danger to younger rhinos meaning keeping it alive in the wild is more detrimental to the species' viability than culling it.

3: The rhino horn isn't going to Chinese traditional medicine. He's not poaching this animal. The 'trophy' will be under close surveillance after he offs it. He isn't going to be able to sell it in the U.S.A. more than likely due to the Endangered Species Act.

4: Things have to die sometime. I think putting a rhino out of its misery with a quick, clean kill after a long life of evading predators, farking female rhinos, eating plants, and being lucky enough to avoid being poached and tortured before it's even dead... is a better fate than a slow, painful death by hyenas, lions, or... getting poached and tortured to death. This hunting permit is more 'humane' than nature itself, including human nature to simply tranq it, saw off its horn and leave it there to bleed out in excruciating pain.

5: Putting this animal in a zoo is a bad idea. Considering its advanced age, nothing is going to stop it from keeling over and dying a day after it shows up. Without the animal capable of breeding, no zoo wants to waste the money on food and care for an animal that is a drain on their limited funds without any return on their investment. If it can't breed, and if it's going to be a danger to other animals in its enclosure or surroundings... no zoo will want to keep it. They have to think financially and economically as well. There's no 'rehabilitating' from the effects of aging.

6: This is the morally correct outcome to a complicated situation. If people care about nature so much, they will recognize that a clean, documented kill for this animal which is paid for handsomely to the tune of $350,000 to the government's conservation efforts is the correct path to take. A non-breeding, aggressive animal that has no value to a zoo or menagerie. That will not be illegally poached, but legally culled.

This animal is getting a better fate than the unfortunate fellow members of its species who die agonizing, painful deaths from the effects of poaching and hyena/lion attacks.
 
2014-01-20 05:39:01 AM  

Weatherkiss: Probably covered elsewhere by the thread already.

1: This rhino is going to get killed no matter what. If it's going to die, you might as well charge someone out the ass to do it. That's a $350,000 luxury. He's not getting a return on his investment. Why does he need death threats when he's basically throwing $350,000 down a hole to shoot an animal? I'd be okay with an asshole losing $350,000 because he's an asshole.

2: Rhino is non-breeding, meaning he's already sired all of his children. At that age, it becomes a danger to younger rhinos meaning keeping it alive in the wild is more detrimental to the species' viability than culling it.

3: The rhino horn isn't going to Chinese traditional medicine. He's not poaching this animal. The 'trophy' will be under close surveillance after he offs it. He isn't going to be able to sell it in the U.S.A. more than likely due to the Endangered Species Act.

4: Things have to die sometime. I think putting a rhino out of its misery with a quick, clean kill after a long life of evading predators, farking female rhinos, eating plants, and being lucky enough to avoid being poached and tortured before it's even dead... is a better fate than a slow, painful death by hyenas, lions, or... getting poached and tortured to death. This hunting permit is more 'humane' than nature itself, including human nature to simply tranq it, saw off its horn and leave it there to bleed out in excruciating pain.

5: Putting this animal in a zoo is a bad idea. Considering its advanced age, nothing is going to stop it from keeling over and dying a day after it shows up. Without the animal capable of breeding, no zoo wants to waste the money on food and care for an animal that is a drain on their limited funds without any return on their investment. If it can't breed, and if it's going to be a danger to other animals in its enclosure or surroundings... no zoo will want to keep it. They have to think financially and economically as well. There's no 'rehabi ...


You're knowledgeable view of this situation makes me outraged sir!
 
2014-01-20 05:40:27 AM  

redmid17: Given that the USFW already greenlit an exactly similar scenario, the odds are pretty low that Namibia is doing this for the lulz or only the cash.


I didn't say they were. But I think it's entirely possible for the potential to bring in $350K per rhino to influence decisions about how to manage the herd. I don't see how the USFWS would police that.
 
2014-01-20 05:47:08 AM  

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: redmid17: Given that the USFW already greenlit an exactly similar scenario, the odds are pretty low that Namibia is doing this for the lulz or only the cash.

I didn't say they were. But I think it's entirely possible for the potential to bring in $350K per rhino to influence decisions about how to manage the herd. I don't see how the USFWS would police that.


If the USFW doesn't sign off on the rhino skin import, like they did in 2009 and this guy wants them to, well the hunt isn't quite as worthwhile. However given that the (inferior) WWF, Namibia, and likely the USFW will sign off on this basically tells me that this is as kosher as a sunday hen.
 
2014-01-20 06:07:05 AM  

redmid17: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: redmid17: Given that the USFW already greenlit an exactly similar scenario, the odds are pretty low that Namibia is doing this for the lulz or only the cash.

I didn't say they were. But I think it's entirely possible for the potential to bring in $350K per rhino to influence decisions about how to manage the herd. I don't see how the USFWS would police that.

If the USFW doesn't sign off on the rhino skin import, like they did in 2009 and this guy wants them to, well the hunt isn't quite as worthwhile. However given that the (inferior) WWF, Namibia, and likely the USFW will sign off on this basically tells me that this is as kosher as a sunday hen.


I think it unlikely that USFWS are micromanaging over the shoulder of Namibia's wildlife management, and even if they were it would probably still be trivial for the relevant authorities to exaggerate the need to cull any given rhino. And again, I'm not saying this hunt isn't kosher, I'm just saying that it highlights a clear incentive for "when in doubt, cull."
 
2014-01-20 08:14:16 AM  
needs more
 
2014-01-20 08:32:33 AM  
Has anyone mentioned that the money he paid is to kill an old rhino that cann
 
2014-01-20 08:33:41 AM  
The money he paid will go toward maintaining the preserve the other rhinos live on... shiat ain't free.
 
2014-01-20 08:43:54 AM  
Cewley [TotalFark]
2014-01-19 04:33:49 PM


How to you spell farking Asshole?[/quot]
A-n-i-m-a-l
r-i-g-h-t-s
a-c-t-i-v-i-s-t
 
2014-01-20 08:45:28 AM  

Needlessly Complicated [TotalFark]


Are we supposed to feel bad for him or... what?

Another TF'er supporting the murder of a man for beliefs that don't line up with his/her own.

Nothing new here. Calls for murder by the left are allowed by fark mods. Which seems to apply support for those beliefs.
 
2014-01-20 09:00:11 AM  
The way I see it, this man has bought a rare gift - he's bought the experience of what it feels to be a hunted animal that he may be one with the prey.
 
2014-01-20 09:02:47 AM  

Kit Fister: Enjoying the act of hunting as a sport to many/most isn't about the killing, but the act of testing yourself against nature.


Shooting something at 1000 yards with a high power rifle where you were in no danger and the animal was not attacking you isn't testing yourself against nature.

Want to test yourself against nature? Be more like our ancestors and run the animal to exhaustion before you put it down with spears or an atlatl and arrow. That's sporting. Guns for hunting are not very sportsmanlike.
 
2014-01-20 09:27:03 AM  

OnlyM3: Another TF'er supporting the murder of a man for beliefs that don't line up with his/her own.


Not murder, herd culling.
 
2014-01-20 09:36:00 AM  
Next time. Don't announce to the planet you're going hunting.  And for fark's sake, if you do, have a few news conferences where you emphasize that the guy you paid the money to is the one who set the rhino up. If you're going to be threatened, you might as well have the other bastard in fear for his life too.
 
2014-01-20 09:40:04 AM  

Kit Fister: I came here to point out that this hunt was of an animal well past it's breeding years that is aggressive and prevents younger males from breeding, thus stymying the growth of the population, and thus actually a hindrance to maintaining a healthy population. Also I was going to point out that the government of Nairobi has one of the best conservation programs in the world and that they use the money from this hunt to further the program to preserve the species as a whole. Finally I was going to point out that this animal would be killed either way, in order to preserve the herd, and making money off of it to continue the program was a side benefit.

Glad to see it was already mentioned.


This. Jesus Christ Fark, you are becoming more and more irrelevant. You would have learned ^^this^^ in the Reddit thread that was 2 days ago and the top comment.

But carry on with your ignorant hate parade.
 
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