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(SeattlePI)   A North Texas man who paid $350,000 for the right to hunt an endangered African black rhino said he's had to hire full-time security due to death threats after his name was leaked onto the Internet   (seattlepi.com) divider line 395
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2014-01-20 12:32:28 AM  
Despite some outlandish rhetoric from a few folks, there has been some interesting back and forth in this thread. Quite a few folks have stated their personal opinions in a civil manner.
 
2014-01-20 12:35:13 AM  
God the stupid comments just keep coming. WTF difference does it make? the animal is going to be killed either way. That part is wildlife management and conservation, it's not some reckless killing. I don't like trophy hunting but the other rhinos could use $350k steered at them. You guys can have the next one if you can find a preserve or zoo able to take it, fund and find a way to move it, and match the winning bid on the next hunt. That's it, you can do as much for the species as a trophy hunter. Get to work.
 
2014-01-20 12:36:21 AM  
On it's face it appears hypocritical and counter-productive which further enrages those who already feel animal hunting is cruel by itself.  The details are everything and, I'm guessing here, but if you're the kind of person that would send death threats over something like this you are also probably the kind of person to hear it and get mad and never fully investigate the circumstances in order to discover that your initial anger was unfounded and that this killing will in fact promote more black rhino babies and would take place even in the absence of an auction to do so personally.
 
2014-01-20 12:40:58 AM  

El Viento: Now you can call me skeptical but I think a few rich white people sat down to figure out how to go kill a rhino and mount his head legally.


It would be much more palatable if it was a few rich black/asian/arab/latino people, wouldn't it?
 
2014-01-20 12:42:30 AM  

equusdc: [RoyBattty.jpg]

Quite an experience to live in fear, isn't it?


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2014-01-20 12:42:32 AM  

violentsalvation: God the stupid comments just keep coming. WTF difference does it make? the animal is going to be killed either way. That part is wildlife management and conservation, it's not some reckless killing. I don't like trophy hunting but the other rhinos could use $350k steered at them. You guys can have the next one if you can find a preserve or zoo able to take it, fund and find a way to move it, and match the winning bid on the next hunt. That's it, you can do as much for the species as a trophy hunter. Get to work.


This thread has convinced me to put hog-hunting from a helicopter on my bucket list.
 
2014-01-20 12:42:43 AM  
What the fark did he expect? It's a specific rhino. There will be no sport to the hunt. Like mentioned above, he'll probably just be driven up to it, he'll pull the trigger, and then go back to his hotel for a drink.
 
2014-01-20 12:44:03 AM  

ZeroCorpse: But I don't have a problem with actual hunting... I have a problem with wealthy dickbags who pay for the chance to kill something that is unable to fight back or run away. That's not hunting. That's killing. Learn the difference before you pose another one of your oh-so-deep mind-benders.


Well, you really reeled me in.  First I was reading logical arguments that I sort of agree with, then you had to get personal.  I really tried not to, but I guess the abortion comment hit a nerve. Sorry if I think a person who has multiple abortions as late in the term as legal, or the doctors who fudge the lateness are worse people than the guy who wants to shoot this rhino.
 
2014-01-20 12:44:12 AM  

UseLessHuman: On it's face it appears hypocritical and counter-productive which further enrages those who already feel animal hunting is cruel by itself.  The details are everything and, I'm guessing here, but if you're the kind of person that would send death threats over something like this you are also probably the kind of person to hear it and get mad and never fully investigate the circumstances in order to discover that your initial anger was unfounded and that this killing will in fact promote more black rhino babies and would take place even in the absence of an auction to do so personally.


The agency choosing which Black rhinos are up for hunting is the same one that will benefit financially from it's death. This is not the same agency that would benefit from the money spent to shoot said rhino. That's what I take issue with. That, and the person shooting the animal is a trophy hunter from a foreign country who doesn't give two shiats about the legitimacy of the kill.

But, yeah...lets go ahead an blindly assume that a nation that scores an "F" in the corruption index has the rhinos' best interest at heart.
 
2014-01-20 12:44:29 AM  
since the main market for poached rhino horns is probably china, it is time to boycott chinese products and walmart, since the money that goes to china is undoubtedly used in part to fund the killing and exploitation of the poor beasts.
 
2014-01-20 12:47:08 AM  
Meh
 
2014-01-20 12:47:10 AM  
Here is the point I am trying to make: HISTORICALLY speaking, all the truly successful reservations are in private hands, to include Texas in the 90's(1). These areas are run for profit, and auction off the endangered animals in their care. This makes the animals EXTREMELY VALUABLE, and makes it financially viable to ensure their well being. (2) 

These areas provide stability to the region in which they are founded, (3) and prevent nearly all poaching, because they kill the hell out of the poachers. (4) FINALLY, when laws are passed to BAN such hunting activity, the financial viability of the animals, the animals are either culled, to make room for more financially viable beasts, or die out within a generation or two, because no effort is made in their preservation. (5)

SO, if you want to SAVE a species, make the species valuable. a THIRD OF A MILLION DOLLARS in AFRICA buys a lot of employees, and a lot of habitat maintenance. The guy is >Helping< the Black Rhino through his actions.

(1)https://www.google.com/search?q=private+game+reserves+texas&ie=ut f-8&o e=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
(2) https://www.google.com/search?q=private+game+reserves+south+africa&ie= utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
(3)http://www.scienceinafrica.co.za/2006/december/gamereserves.htm
(4)http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/28/rhino-poachers-south-afr ica_n _2969872.html
(5)http://blog.heritage.org/2012/06/16/wildlife-hunting-friends-of-a nimal s-threaten-endangered-species-in-texas/   (This link is a bit biased, but has its own references)

/My second point? Mr. Culling of humanity needs to take a shiat or get off the pot.
 
2014-01-20 12:49:32 AM  
Johnsnownw:

But, yeah...lets go ahead an blindly assume that a nation that scores an "F" in the corruption index has the rhinos' best interest at heart.

You think they will take better, or worse care of rhinos when they know they are worth 300 thousand dollars?
 
2014-01-20 12:49:39 AM  

EmmaLou: What the fark did he expect? It's a specific rhino. There will be no sport to the hunt. Like mentioned above, he'll probably just be driven up to it, he'll pull the trigger, and then go back to his hotel for a drink.


I suppose that makes the death threats (more) rational.
 
2014-01-20 12:51:00 AM  

knbwhite: I just got done eating a big ol' bowl of venison chili, so I'm getting a kick out of these replies.


Include a cup of bourbon in your next batch.  You'll thank me later.
 
2014-01-20 12:52:45 AM  
1. The rhino needs to be killed for the benefit of the herd and the species in general, since the park can only support so many rhinos.
2. Namibia is desperately poor and needs $350K to keep the rangers paid, the park boundaries patrolled and their country solvent.
3. Nobody who is threatening this guy with death has offered to come up with $350K to save the rhino's life, pay the park, and help fight the poaching that made the black rhino endangered in the first place.

So unless you can address these three points, STFU already. The hunter is an asshole for not just paying for his license and quietly going to kill the animal; but that's as far as his stupidity goes. Everyone else needs to put up or shut up.
 
2014-01-20 12:53:57 AM  

Johnsnownw: UseLessHuman: On it's face it appears hypocritical and counter-productive which further enrages those who already feel animal hunting is cruel by itself.  The details are everything and, I'm guessing here, but if you're the kind of person that would send death threats over something like this you are also probably the kind of person to hear it and get mad and never fully investigate the circumstances in order to discover that your initial anger was unfounded and that this killing will in fact promote more black rhino babies and would take place even in the absence of an auction to do so personally.

The agency choosing which Black rhinos are up for hunting is the same one that will benefit financially from it's death. This is not the same agency that would benefit from the money spent to shoot said rhino. That's what I take issue with. That, and the person shooting the animal is a trophy hunter from a foreign country who doesn't give two shiats about the legitimacy of the kill.

But, yeah...lets go ahead an blindly assume that a nation that scores an "F" in the corruption index has the rhinos' best interest at heart.


If the country entrusted with their care is that bad, then they're farked -- regardless of what some guy in Texas does or does not do.

Having read the details, I see no real problem. The cull would take place regardless of who pulls the trigger. If money can be extracted and some hunter gets a trophy, then everyone benefits from that inevitability.
 
2014-01-20 12:56:28 AM  
Well duh, dumbass. If you are willing going to hunt a defenseless ENDANGERED animal. Be prepared to pay the consequences. Watch one of the death threats is from Chuck Norris. I see a dodge ramming/running your dumbass over very soon. Grr sorry for the rant.. It freaking peeves me that a dumb fark wants to hunt an endangered species just because they are rare. If I ever meet/see him, his security guards would be no match for my adrenaline fuel hatred I would give him through a pair of classic brass knuckles.
 
2014-01-20 12:57:33 AM  

\Johnsnownw: has the rhinos' best interest at heart.


Who gives a flying fark about the rhino's best interest.  It is a, one , single rhino, not a sentient human being.  They are not declaring open season on rhinos.  They decided it would be better for the herd if that rhino was not around, and rather than just walking out a shooting it they decided to auction off the rights to kill it.  Some dumb fark dropped $350,000 to do what a game warden that makes $15,000 a year would have done anyway.  All in all its a big win for the rhinos, plural, and this jack-off gets to brag to his idiot buddies about how he heroically slayed the charging African beast.  Could he have just donated the money?  Sure, but some other jack-off would have been right behind him to bid on the auction.
 
2014-01-20 12:57:54 AM  

Hoban Washburne: doglover: So, they do indeed have a valid perspective of what hunting is like from their end. The only hunters I respect in the day of industrial slaughter houses and high powered rifles are sniper scouts, or "hunters of gunmen" as they dub themselves.

As someone who eats meat, I'm perfectly fine with "ethical hunting."  That is, hunting overpopulated (or at least not underpopulated) animals that would otherwise starve and eating and/or donating the meat.  A deer that gets killed in the wild has a much better life than a cow in a factory farm.  There is not really a "good death" in nature.  Animals usually die of starvation or getting eaten by other animals.  Being put down by a skilled hunter is probably one of the cleaner deaths possible for wild animals.  True fair chase deer stalking is actually very difficult and physically taxing.

The rhino is endangered and I seriously doubt this guy is planning to eat it, or that it will be a fair chase scenario.  I imagine he'll be driven by a guide in one of those safari jeeps, get relatively close, the rhino will be like "Ehh, whatever" because he's used to people in jeeps, and the guy will just shoot him.  That's a farking shiatty, cowardly thing to do.

You may personally be opposed to all types of hunting, but let's at least separate the reasonable from the ridiculous.


From what I read - and I am neither advocating nor decrying this guy purchasing the permit - the old male rhinos get extremely
cantankerous and violent and will attack the younger male rhinos, often killing them. The old male rhinos are too old to procreate
and by them killing the younger males, it further endangers an already endangered species.

He plans to keep the hide and give the meat to the locals, as I understand it.

If there were millions of them still on the planet, a lot of folks would consider this to be nothing more than 'thinning the herd'.

No, I don't hunt. No, I am not against ethical hunting. Yes, I eat meat. Tasty, tasty meat.
 
2014-01-20 12:58:29 AM  

Kit Fister: sno man: Hoban Washburne: doglover: So, they do indeed have a valid perspective of what hunting is like from their end. The only hunters I respect in the day of industrial slaughter houses and high powered rifles are sniper scouts, or "hunters of gunmen" as they dub themselves.

As someone who eats meat, I'm perfectly fine with "ethical hunting."  That is, hunting overpopulated (or at least not underpopulated) animals that would otherwise starve and eating and/or donating the meat.  A deer that gets killed in the wild has a much better life than a cow in a factory farm.  There is not really a "good death" in nature.  Animals usually die of starvation or getting eaten by other animals.  Being put down by a skilled hunter is probably one of the cleaner deaths possible for wild animals.  True fair chase deer stalking is actually very difficult and physically taxing.

The rhino is endangered and I seriously doubt this guy is planning to eat it, or that it will be a fair chase scenario.  I imagine he'll be driven by a guide in one of those safari jeeps, get relatively close, the rhino will be like "Ehh, whatever" because he's used to people in jeeps, and the guy will just shoot him.  That's a farking shiatty, cowardly thing to do.

You may personally be opposed to all types of hunting, but let's at least separate the reasonable from the ridiculous.

And as bojon pointed out this is a very specific hunt of a small number of post procreating animals with the proceeds of the lottery going to preservation efforts of the herd. I'm putting this on the reasonable side of that equation.

I came here to point out that this hunt was of an animal well past it's breeding years that is aggressive and prevents younger males from breeding, thus stymying the growth of the population, and thus actually a hindrance to maintaining a healthy population. Also I was going to point out that the government of Nairobi has one of the best conservation programs in the world and that they use the m ...



Thanks to both posters who pointed out the specific details - that this particular rhino is past breeding age (and, I presume, any available sperm has been harvested just in case future in vitro breeding is possible - in order to expand the gene pool) and thus not necessarily a loss from the population. On the other hand, I can't say I'm disappointed in the knee-jerk response from others...... at least it's nice to see so many people would like to see a large variety of wildlife preserved for future generations. It shows a great social conscience (if somewhat mis-informed, as I was).
 
2014-01-20 12:59:10 AM  
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2014-01-20 12:59:45 AM  

Launchpad1986: Well duh, dumbass. If you are willing going to hunt a defenseless ENDANGERED animal. Be prepared to pay the consequences. Watch one of the death threats is from Chuck Norris. I see a dodge ramming/running your dumbass over very soon. Grr sorry for the rant.. It freaking peeves me that a dumb fark wants to hunt an endangered species just because they are rare. If I ever meet/see him, his security guards would be no match for my adrenaline fuel hatred I would give him through a pair of classic brass knuckles.


www.poormojo.org
 
2014-01-20 12:59:50 AM  

kim jong-un: doglover: ecmoRandomNumbers: doglover: He's a hunter. fark him. He knows how the game works.

You're sitting at home, peacefully eating lunch with your family when BLAM a bullet rips out your lungs. You gasp uselessly as blood froths out of mouth and collapse. The last thing you see in your tunnel vision is your wife and children covered in your blood as you fall to the floor. A man in an orange vest kicks in your door and starts to decapitate you, because all he wanted was your head on his wall, but while your family is running away he takes a nice long look at your son and says "Soon, I'm coming back for him!"

Jesus.

Animals are conscious beings. Just because they're tasty and you're ignorant doesn't mean that they're some kind of meat robot. They've each got moods, personalities, memories. Even hive insects of exceedingly uniform nature, like ants, have some variations and learn by experience.

So, they do indeed have a valid perspective of what hunting is like from their end. The only hunters I respect in the day of industrial slaughter houses and high powered rifles are sniper scouts, or "hunters of gunmen" as they dub themselves.

Anyone else is cheating because animals can't shoot back.

So industrial slaughter is good.



And Bob's your uncle.

/..... well, he used to be......
 
2014-01-20 01:01:40 AM  
is it just me, or are there lots of fruitarian farkers?
 
2014-01-20 01:03:06 AM  

serialsuicidebomber: Thanks to both posters who pointed out the specific details - that this particular rhino is past breeding age (and, I presume, any available sperm has been harvested just in case future in vitro breeding is possible - in order to expand the gene pool) and thus not necessarily a loss from the population. On the other hand, I can't say I'm disappointed in the knee-jerk response from others...... at least it's nice to see so many people would like to see a large variety of wildlife preserved for future generations. It shows a great social conscience (if somewhat mis-informed, as I was).


You mistake their urge to feel superior to "those" people for caring.

/Those people being hunters and the game wardens who JUST MIGHT know their assholes from their elbows when it comes to wildlife management.
 
2014-01-20 01:03:41 AM  

Sgt Otter: ultraholland: I want to experience a black rhino. I want to be intimately involved with a black rhino.

wow, dude.

My grandfather served in North Africa in World War II.  A few decades after the war, he took a trip back to see his old battlefields, and decided to do a tour of the whole continent, including a safari.

He had the opportunity to shoot a rhino.  Because they were rarely hunted by humans in that region (I don't recall where this was exactly), it wasn't scared of him, or his hunting party.  It just stared at him, casually grazing.  It didn't movie, it didn't threaten to charge.  It just stood there, staring and chewing.

He refused to shoot it, stating it would be "about as sporting as shooting a parked mini-van."


This, this is what I don't understand. How the fark do you take any pride in shooting something that's just standing still minding its own business? I'm not against killing animals, but you'd have to have the mind of a child or a retard to find fun in that.
 
2014-01-20 01:06:42 AM  

Yogimus: Johnsnownw:

But, yeah...lets go ahead an blindly assume that a nation that scores an "F" in the corruption index has the rhinos' best interest at heart.

You think they will take better, or worse care of rhinos when they know they are worth 300 thousand dollars?


If I were betting, I'd say they would take care of them so far as sick rhinos worth $350,000 were still around.
 
2014-01-20 01:06:52 AM  

Therion: Kit Fister: this hunt was of an animal well past it's breeding years that is aggressive and prevents younger males from breeding, thus stymying the growth of the population, and thus actually a hindrance to maintaining a healthy population.

[farm4.staticflickr.com image 640x427]

1) PUT EVIL COCK-BLOCKING RHINO IN CAGE

2) SELL TO ZOO

3) PROFIT!


Actually, the old rhino is angry, territorial, and no longer breeding. If any zoos wanted it don't you think they would have forked over the cash already?
 
2014-01-20 01:08:28 AM  

JH3675: \Johnsnownw: has the rhinos' best interest at heart.

Who gives a flying fark about the rhino's best interest.  It is a, one , single rhino, not a sentient human being.  They are not declaring open season on rhinos.  They decided it would be better for the herd if that rhino was not around, and rather than just walking out a shooting it they decided to auction off the rights to kill it.  Some dumb fark dropped $350,000 to do what a game warden that makes $15,000 a year would have done anyway.  All in all its a big win for the rhinos, plural, and this jack-off gets to brag to his idiot buddies about how he heroically slayed the charging African beast.  Could he have just donated the money?  Sure, but some other jack-off would have been right behind him to bid on the auction.


The guy going to shoot it has said that the Govt. has designated 5 available for a shootin. I expect that number to increase over the next couple of years to as much as they can get away with.
 
2014-01-20 01:10:23 AM  

doglover: He's a hunter. fark him. He knows how the game works.

You're sitting at home, peacefully eating lunch with your family when BLAM a bullet rips out your lungs. You gasp uselessly as blood froths out of mouth and collapse. The last thing you see in your tunnel vision is your wife and children covered in your blood as you fall to the floor. A man in an orange vest kicks in your door and starts to decapitate you, because all he wanted was your head on his wall, but while your family is running away he takes a nice long look at your son and says "Soon, I'm coming back for him!"



i.imgur.com
 
2014-01-20 01:14:14 AM  

browntimmy: This, this is what I don't understand. How the fark do you take any pride in shooting something that's just standing still minding its own business? I'm not against killing animals, but you'd have to have the mind of a child or a retard to find fun in that.


I agree with your comments on the situation described.  On the other hand, when hunting deer or elk it would be considered irresponsible to shoot at a swiftly moving animal, especially one that is a good distance away.  The most humane way is to take a high percentage shot ( distance wise and angle) at a stationary target.  A well place shot will kill the animal quickly where it can be recovered.  A responsible hunter doesn't take a shot will result in a wounded animal running off to die a slow death or getting ripped apart by other predators.
 
2014-01-20 01:14:18 AM  
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It's like a little boy's nursery school I've come upon here.
 
2014-01-20 01:15:21 AM  
Perhaps the hunter would be OK with it if someone auctioned off the right to kill the hunter to the highest bidder, and then donated the proceeds to some hunting association.
 
2014-01-20 01:15:57 AM  

ZeroCorpse: Joe USer: What I learned from this thread:

Most people don't get the concept of herd management.

Because nature has no idea how to manage itself without human intervention. I mean, the world of animals only got by for milliions of years without humans "managing" the herds. It's a good thing we finally got off our asses and evolved so other species could benefit from our wisdom regarding who live and who dies, and how.


No problem, just reintroduce the lions. Oh, you don't like having wild lions eating people when they're not eating other animals? Well, fark them, let them move to Tulsa.
 
2014-01-20 01:16:55 AM  
Maybe he mistakenly thought it was a license to hunt down African American RINO's....

/Herman Cain seen hiding in a bunker.
 
2014-01-20 01:16:55 AM  
Joe USer: because nature has no idea how to manage itself without human intervention.

Nature would let them die
 
2014-01-20 01:18:35 AM  
ZeroCorpse: +1 on that post. Seriously.
 
2014-01-20 01:20:48 AM  
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2014-01-20 01:20:51 AM  

browntimmy: I'm not against killing animals, but you'd have to have the mind of a child or a retard to find fun in that.


So you'd have to be mentally capable as the average hairless ape?
 
2014-01-20 01:22:19 AM  

The Southern Dandy: Perhaps the hunter would be OK with it if someone auctioned off the right to kill the hunter to the highest bidder, and then donated the proceeds to some hunting association.


Grow up.
 
2014-01-20 01:22:30 AM  
If the guy actually went through the legal process and got a license, then there's not an huge issue. Yeah, I find it distasteful and think he's still a tool, but he's not the problem.   Poachers are the problem,  they're funded by the Asian brokers who trade in rhino horns.

If you're really that pissed off, instead of biatching of fark, donate to these guys http://www.iapf.org/en/   They're militant and actually know how to combat the assholes who are causing the eradication of the rhinos.
 
2014-01-20 01:23:05 AM  

RIGHTEOUS INDIGNATION!

MORAL SUPERIORITY!

 
2014-01-20 01:23:17 AM  
Way, way too many internet manliness experts in ITT.

That or just people who didn't RTFA and are looking for an excuse to dump on the guy.
 
2014-01-20 01:24:54 AM  

Yogimus: Joe USer: because nature has no idea how to manage itself without human intervention.

Nature would let them die


I wish nature would teach you how to quote.
 
2014-01-20 01:28:19 AM  
I blame the white man.
 
2014-01-20 01:37:47 AM  

super_grass: Way, way too many internet manliness experts in ITT.

That or just people who didn't RTFA and are looking for an excuse to dump on the guy.


They just watched too much Fern Gully as kids.
 
2014-01-20 01:40:23 AM  

lewismarktwo: They just watched too much Fern Gully as kids.


Or Captain Planet, Avatar, etc.
 
2014-01-20 01:41:09 AM  
Yogimus: ZeroCorpse : because nature has no idea how to manage itself without human intervention.

Nature would let them die


FTFY.
 
2014-01-20 01:42:13 AM  
Enjoy the most dangerous game, biatch.
 
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