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(SeattlePI)   A North Texas man who paid $350,000 for the right to hunt an endangered African black rhino said he's had to hire full-time security due to death threats after his name was leaked onto the Internet   (seattlepi.com) divider line 396
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2014-01-19 11:50:32 PM

GoldSpider: spqr_ca: It must shock you to learn that it usually wasn't a consequence of old age.

Are you posting under the impression that species populations were static until humans started hunting them?  Because that's what it sounds like you're saying.


No, I'm not. I'm noting that herd management is an issue today because humanity farked things up. These species are endangered because we screwed it up. This dude wants a trophy, that form of hunting just bugs me. Hunting for need, that's different, but it's lure of the trophy that has put this species in this position in the first place.
 
2014-01-19 11:50:58 PM
I say let these assholes hunt all the rhinos they want....with spears.
 
2014-01-19 11:50:59 PM

spqr_ca: what did this guy think was going to happen?


That's certainly true; unabashed ignorance never stopped an uncontrolled emotional outburst, even before the Internet.
 
2014-01-19 11:53:13 PM
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Quite an experience to live in fear, isn't it?
 
2014-01-19 11:53:22 PM
While I get the anger towards this man, how come nothing is mentioned on the actual issuance of the license to kill?
I mean obviously the country is OK with it to actually go over there and allow him to legally kill a rhino. Wouldn't that be more concerning?
 
2014-01-19 11:53:40 PM

spqr_ca: This dude wants a trophy, that form of hunting just bugs me. Hunting for need, that's different, but it's lure of the trophy that has put this species in this position in the first place.


Not going to disagree there; I'm also a hunter, and a small part of this rubs me the wrong way too.  But that ends at the point where I realize $350k is going to a good conservation cause.
 
2014-01-19 11:53:45 PM

GoldSpider: ca


Yep. Typical Fark thinking.
 
2014-01-19 11:54:46 PM

SuperNinjaToad: I mean obviously the country is OK with it to actually go over there and allow him to legally kill a rhino. Wouldn't that be more concerning?


It wouldn't be to someone with a more thorough understanding of the situation.
 
2014-01-19 11:56:35 PM

GoldSpider: But that ends at the point where I realize $350k is going to a good conservation cause.


And makes trophy hunting into something positive. Not buying that as a good way to help the cause.
 
2014-01-19 11:58:12 PM

spqr_ca: Kit Fister: But we farked up the balance and now have to fight to save these species of animals, which includes herd management.

I, I actually agree, having once been a hunter. But here's the thing: what did this guy think was going to happen? It isn't so much that the rhino might need to be killed for the purpose of herd management, but that people get offended by the sport aspect of it. I have zero issue with hunting as a basic concept, but trophy hunting just sets my teeth on edge, even if he gets to pretend to be pious about it in the process.


He bid anonymously. He didn't publicize it. Some jackass leaked his name and it became an issue.

Without the leak, no one would have ever heard about it, just like dozens of other hunts.

So what you're saying is, you're offended by an image you concocted in your head about this guy's motives, rather than actually knowing the guy and the intimate details.

You don't like sport hunting. Fine. Think of it what you want. But it's herd management either way, and it helps us fix a thing we created. Were that we did so much for other things such as reef management, fish population controls, and global deforestation.

I dare you to open your mind and go by something other than some dumbass quotes in an article (which prints the equivalent of sound bytes and not voluminous treatises on the persons ethics and motives) and try to see that there's more to it.

There always is.

As a side note, I hate hunting just for a trophy. But if it's done safely and legally, and the meat gets donated to be eaten by the hungry, everyone still wins. I likewise dislike guys who buy expensive cars, but some workers fed their family by working to build it, make the parts, etc. so it all balances out.

Life's too short to go all quixotic on the internet over stupid shiat like this. Some people you can reach. Others will always be douchebags. Invest your limited time wisely.
 
2014-01-19 11:58:15 PM

spqr_ca: And makes trophy hunting into something positive.


I imagine most people have their minds made up either way about that already.
 
2014-01-19 11:58:28 PM

ZeroCorpse: Because nature has no idea how to manage itself without human intervention. I mean, the world of animals only got by for milliions of years without humans "managing" the herds. It's a good thing we finally got off our asses and evolved so other species could benefit from our wisdom regarding who live and who dies, and how.



When I see a comment like this I wonder how that person feels about abortion.  If they feel hunting is barbaric, do they think that any kind of termination of a fetus is barbaric?  I hate to go there, but sometimes there are people that like things that other people don't like.
 
2014-01-19 11:58:44 PM
When the aliens land, I am going to help them personally hunt ever last person in here who said it was okay to kill this rhino. Cause hey, you idiots won't mind, I'm just culling some non reproductives.
 
2014-01-19 11:59:52 PM

Terrible Old Man: Yeaaah. Calling BS on this one, especially after I've seen him give 2 handfuls of interviews about how what he was doing was "saving" the black rhino through conservation because his money was going to that cause.

Hey asshole, if you cared about conservation of the black rhino, you'd DONATE the money instead of shooting them. Surely you understand basic math: + your money - shooting rhino = rhino + your money.

Redeem yourself by donating your money OR "hunting" that rhino with nothing more than a bowie knife. That's sporting and I'd consider it fair, if you've the balls.


You do realize that they are going to kill the rhino in question either way, right? Whether he does it or not, someone is going to shoot it.
 
2014-01-20 12:00:16 AM
Killing a non-reproducing Black Rhino, and paying 350k to do it is win-win.

The people screaming and threatening the man over it, don't give a dime to help conserve anything. They just scream and rant, and contribute nothing. News Flash: Preventing 1 guy who's paying hundreds of thousands of dollars to hunt 1 lousy beast doesn't save the species. The poachers who aren't making the news and killing the things for their horns, the Chinese who are paying for those horns, and all you morons who criticize but do nothing are a bigger part of the problem than this guy.

But emotions always seem to dominate rather than logic.
 
2014-01-20 12:01:00 AM

AgentPothead: When the aliens land, I am going to help them personally hunt ever last person in here who said it was okay to kill this rhino. Cause hey, you idiots won't mind, I'm just culling some non reproductives.


Don't be a pussy... get a gun and find a clocktower. SHOW THEM ALL!
 
2014-01-20 12:01:02 AM

Kit Fister: Terrible Old Man: Yeaaah. Calling BS on this one, especially after I've seen him give 2 handfuls of interviews about how what he was doing was "saving" the black rhino through conservation because his money was going to that cause.

Hey asshole, if you cared about conservation of the black rhino, you'd DONATE the money instead of shooting them. Surely you understand basic math: + your money - shooting rhino = rhino + your money.

Redeem yourself by donating your money OR "hunting" that rhino with nothing more than a bowie knife. That's sporting and I'd consider it fair, if you've the balls.

You do realize that they are going to kill the rhino in question either way, right? Whether he does it or not, someone is going to shoot it.


They'd rather the locals not get $350k+ because feelings.
 
2014-01-20 12:01:30 AM

spqr_ca: GoldSpider: But that ends at the point where I realize $350k is going to a good conservation cause.

And makes trophy hunting into something positive. Not buying that as a good way to help the cause.


Man, just how bootyblasted are you?
 
2014-01-20 12:02:26 AM

AgentPothead: When the aliens land, I am going to help them personally hunt ever last person in here who said it was okay to kill this rhino. Cause hey, you idiots won't mind, I'm just culling some non reproductives.


Okay. I look forward to it.
 
2014-01-20 12:03:01 AM
Maybe now he knows how the rhino feels.

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2014-01-20 12:03:37 AM

Fark It: *Insert worthwhile thing that was thwarted* because feelings.


You wield that in these threads like an artist wields a paintbrush.
 
2014-01-20 12:04:32 AM
If a rhino is worth 300,000 dollars, do you think there will be more or less of them, over time?

DIFFICULTY: This has happened multiple times before, research is already done on the subject.
 
2014-01-20 12:05:41 AM

Kit Fister: So what you're saying is, you're offended by an image you concocted in your head about this guy's motives, rather than actually knowing the guy and the intimate details.


You read his explanation, right?

At any rate, I simply disagree with sport hunting, period. I don't care if he, or you, want to pull the pious "it's now about herd management" card here. Sport hunting is what put this species into endangerment and trying to save it by auctioning off licenses to sport hunt is simply counter-intuitive. The message there is spend the money and we'll get you your trophy.

At any rate, I'm less angry with this guy. I kind of get the lure from his perspective. I'm more irritated by those that thought it would actually be a good idea to do this. Any attempt to spin sport hunting in a positive light irritates me.
 
2014-01-20 12:06:19 AM

AgentPothead: When the aliens land, I am going to help them personally hunt ever last person in here who said it was okay to kill this rhino. Cause hey, you idiots won't mind, I'm just culling some non reproductives.


Name:Agent D. Pothead
Location:Tokeville, Calibongia

hempbeach.com
 
2014-01-20 12:07:36 AM

GUTSU: spqr_ca: GoldSpider: But that ends at the point where I realize $350k is going to a good conservation cause.

And makes trophy hunting into something positive. Not buying that as a good way to help the cause.

Man, just how bootyblasted are you?


Sorry, but I don't engage in a battle of wits with the unarmed. Thanks for coming out though.
 
2014-01-20 12:09:28 AM

Needlessly Complicated: Are we supposed to feel bad for him or... what?


Yes, because 2d Amendment, gunz and sparkly crying eagles.
 
2014-01-20 12:09:31 AM

spqr_ca: Sport hunting is what put this species into endangerment and trying to save it by auctioning off licenses to sport hunt is simply counter-intuitive.


Horseshiat.  Unstable governments lead to bad economies, which leads to poaching.  Trophy fees counter-act both.  Some rich guy going in and taking a trophy on vacation does not compare to natives on 4x4s using AKs and explosives to kill as many as they can for their horns.
 
2014-01-20 12:12:03 AM
Hey, I shot your wife, your dad, your kids, and hit your mom with a car. Look, my bad. But don't worry. I'm gonna let this guy pay me $350k to kill you, and I'll use that money to help take care of your family. Well, your neighbor's family anyway.

It's win-win! :D
 
2014-01-20 12:12:50 AM

spqr_ca: GUTSU: spqr_ca: GoldSpider: But that ends at the point where I realize $350k is going to a good conservation cause.

And makes trophy hunting into something positive. Not buying that as a good way to help the cause.

Man, just how bootyblasted are you?

Sorry, but I don't engage in a battle of wits with the unarmed. Thanks for coming out though.


I know you're rectally ravaged, but you need to take it easy there son. I promise you that hurts feelings, just like chapped asses, heal in the fullness of time.
 
2014-01-20 12:13:13 AM
A modest proposal: I suspect there are some who would pay more than $350K for the chance to hunt poachers. Thin the herd.
 
2014-01-20 12:13:37 AM
What kind of pussy gets all excited hunting something that cant shoot back?
 
2014-01-20 12:13:49 AM

Fark It: spqr_ca: Sport hunting is what put this species into endangerment and trying to save it by auctioning off licenses to sport hunt is simply counter-intuitive.

Horseshiat.  Unstable governments lead to bad economies, which leads to poaching.  Trophy fees counter-act both.  Some rich guy going in and taking a trophy on vacation does not compare to natives on 4x4s using AKs and explosives to kill as many as they can for their horns.


We're going to have to agree to disagree. The natives going in there are doing to sell the horns to China and make money, not trophy hunt. Also a reprehensible situation and not the same.

At any rate, the death threats to this guy are wrong, but I'm not surprised by them. Seriously, the optics of this really, really, suck and they aren't going to be easy to sell.
 
2014-01-20 12:13:58 AM

DrBenway: A modest proposal: I suspect there are some who would pay more than $350K for the chance to hunt poachers. Thin the herd.


Go on...
 
2014-01-20 12:14:29 AM

doglover: Hey, I shot your wife, your dad, your kids, and hit your mom with a car. Look, my bad. But don't worry. I'm gonna let this guy pay me $350k to kill you, and I'll use that money to help take care of your family. Well, your neighbor's family anyway.

It's win-win! :D


Animals aren't people.
 
2014-01-20 12:15:07 AM

Fark It: AgentPothead: When the aliens land, I am going to help them personally hunt ever last person in here who said it was okay to kill this rhino. Cause hey, you idiots won't mind, I'm just culling some non reproductives.

Name:Agent D. Pothead
Location:Tokeville, Calibongia

[hempbeach.com image 600x450]


I'm not sure I understand? I can post a picture of an idiot in reply to you if you want?
files.myopera.com
 
2014-01-20 12:15:59 AM

Fark It: Animals aren't people.


That's incredible considering people are animals.
 
2014-01-20 12:16:18 AM

AgentPothead: Fark It: AgentPothead: When the aliens land, I am going to help them personally hunt ever last person in here who said it was okay to kill this rhino. Cause hey, you idiots won't mind, I'm just culling some non reproductives.

Name:Agent D. Pothead
Location:Tokeville, Calibongia

[hempbeach.com image 600x450]

I'm not sure I understand? I can post a picture of an idiot in reply to you if you want?
[files.myopera.com image 472x530]


Don't you have a clocktower to get to?
 
2014-01-20 12:17:20 AM

Fark It: Don't you have a clocktower to get to?


No? Is this supposed to be a joke or something? Cause it's not very good?
 
2014-01-20 12:18:02 AM

Fark It: Don't you have a clocktower to get to?


This is what happens when someone lets their ITG Monthly subscription lapse.
 
2014-01-20 12:18:49 AM

AgentPothead: Fark It: Animals aren't people.

That's incredible considering people are animals.


Rectangles aren't squares, but squares are rectangles.
 
2014-01-20 12:20:28 AM

Fark It: Rectangles aren't squares, but squares are rectangles.


And idiots aren't always named Fark It, but Fark It is an idiot?
 
2014-01-20 12:20:32 AM

AgentPothead: Fark It: Don't you have a clocktower to get to?

No? Is this supposed to be a joke or something? Cause it's not very good?



AgentPothead: When the aliens land, I am going to help them personally hunt ever last person in here who said it was okay to kill this rhino. Cause hey, you idiots won't mind, I'm just culling some non reproductives.


What's stopping you from waiting until the aliens land?  Put down the bong.
 
2014-01-20 12:20:47 AM

knbwhite: ZeroCorpse: Because nature has no idea how to manage itself without human intervention. I mean, the world of animals only got by for milliions of years without humans "managing" the herds. It's a good thing we finally got off our asses and evolved so other species could benefit from our wisdom regarding who live and who dies, and how.


When I see a comment like this I wonder how that person feels about abortion.  If they feel hunting is barbaric, do they think that any kind of termination of a fetus is barbaric?  I hate to go there, but sometimes there are people that like things that other people don't like.


I don't feel hunting is barbaric.

I feel that paying $350,000 to kill an animal that likely doesn't need to be tracked or actively hunted is a douchebag move. He could have donated $350,000 to the cause, and let the rangers put the animal down on the condition that he gets whatever trophy he wants... He didn't do that. He paid for the opportunity to kill something.

I feel about this the same way that I feel about people who want to pay to be the one to pull the lever at a criminal's execution. My problem is with the man and his motivations, not with the act of putting down an old animal (or a criminal).

Paying to kill an animal like this is a lot like Percy Wetmore in  The Green Mile  champing at the bit to execute a prisoner. It's the bloodlust and callousness that I object to. If he were actually  hunting the rhino-- especially if he weren't armed with a rifle-- I'd have some respect for him, perhaps.

As for a fetus being terminated-- They're not aware. They haven't accumulated memories, or lived a life at that point. They're biological matter with the  potential  to be a person, but they're nowhere near it yet.

I also don't see what one has to do with the other. It's like saying "Gosh, I see these people against high fructose corn syrup, and I wonder how they feel about eating buttered popcorn!"

But I don't have a problem with actual hunting... I have a problem with wealthy dickbags who pay for the chance to kill something that is unable to fight back or run away. That's not hunting. That's killing. Learn the difference before you pose another one of your oh-so-deep mind-benders.
 
2014-01-20 12:21:03 AM

TuteTibiImperes: Black Rhinos are endangered, douchebags aren't.


I think you might be on to something.
 
2014-01-20 12:21:08 AM
well, if this guy thinks the appropriate rules are $350k to kill a rhino; then to be fair, we should take $350,000, multiply it by the number of african black rhinos in the world, and then divide it by the number of humans in the world. it should cost that much to get a license to hunt him.
 
2014-01-20 12:23:07 AM

Fark It: What's stopping you from waiting until the aliens land? Put down the bong.


Holy shiat, you are too stupid to live. Just eat the shotgun already. Kurt Cobain yourself and get it over with.
 
2014-01-20 12:24:46 AM
I gots a permit, dammit.

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2014-01-20 12:28:10 AM

Kit Fister: this hunt was of an animal well past it's breeding years that is aggressive and prevents younger males from breeding, thus stymying the growth of the population, and thus actually a hindrance to maintaining a healthy population.


farm4.staticflickr.com

1) PUT EVIL COCK-BLOCKING RHINO IN CAGE

2) SELL TO ZOO

3) PROFIT!
 
2014-01-20 12:29:15 AM

Tellingthem: Oh come on and man up. I wouldn't expect anything less if i was doing something like this. People will say this kind of stuff for pretty much anything. I got death threats when I worked at a crappy college radio station.


Exactly. When you piss off the internet, it will always send you death threats. But as long as your name isn't AOL or Geocities or MySpace (and, of course, you're not @home), you have nothing to fear!
 
2014-01-20 12:31:20 AM

Therion: Kit Fister: this hunt was of an animal well past it's breeding years that is aggressive and prevents younger males from breeding, thus stymying the growth of the population, and thus actually a hindrance to maintaining a healthy population.

[farm4.staticflickr.com image 640x427]

1) PUT EVIL COCK-BLOCKING RHINO IN CAGE

2) SELL TO ZOO

3) PROFIT!

Lose money
 
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