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(SeattlePI)   A North Texas man who paid $350,000 for the right to hunt an endangered African black rhino said he's had to hire full-time security due to death threats after his name was leaked onto the Internet   (seattlepi.com) divider line 395
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2014-01-19 09:55:25 PM  

DamnYankees: zzrhardy: I seem to be the only one that thinks managed hunting for exorbitant fees is a good way to get assholes to pay for conservation.  The alternative is likely no money, no park/reserve and instead of a "X" many dying per year the whole lot is lost to uncontrolled poaching.

The alternative is there is no money to protect them and they all die.

The alternative is that this guy could have just donated the money.


And the rhino would still be killed. There is no scenario here where the rhino was going to live.
 
2014-01-19 09:55:32 PM  

DamnYankees: No they wouldn't. Have you ever met an Indian? The ones I've met (and my father is an adopted member of the Oglala Sioux) call themselves Indians and think the other names are stupid.

I'm sure some Indians don't like the term, and if I meet one who doesn't like it I won't use it, but I've never met an Indian who was offended by it.

Generally though, they prefer to be called by their actual tribe name.


Indian:

wanderlustandlipstick.com

Native American:

Seriously. Don't be that guy. You might as well say "My black friends say it's cool if I say the N word"
 
2014-01-19 09:56:24 PM  
Ahem:

people.ucls.uchicago.edu

Native American.

Preview is your best friend.
 
2014-01-19 10:01:19 PM  
I don't really mind the idea of auctioning off the right to kill this rhino but I think he should have to do it with a knife instead of a gun.
 
2014-01-19 10:28:58 PM  

hardinparamedic: Ahem:



Native American.

Preview is your best friend.


It's not worth it dude. He's convinced that there is no good reason for hunting. No amount of argument will change his mind.

It's easy to think that, too, when you don't live face to face with it. "Oh I buy my meat at the store." So you prefer an animal be birthed and raised in captivity, in the worst conditions legally allowable, pumped full of meds and chems, and artificially enhanced until ripe for slaughter. You also prefer some guy to sit there day in and day out punching the ticket of the animals in question, then having it butchered and washed in more artificial chems before being delivered to your supermarket.

We get it.

I prefer to go out, endure nature, and kill an animal that has lead a free and full life in its natural habitat, and give thanks to the animal for what it provided me while also knowing that by removing the oldest and weakest animals, I provide for the future of his clan, leaving behind the healthiest animals and plenty of resources for them to eat.

Gussy it up however you like, but the killing and butchering isn't the enjoyable part, it's just the job that comes with providing meat for my family. The experience of being out in nature and testing my patience and skill at hiding myself from an animal that can smell and sense me long before I knew it was there is the sport. Camera or gun, getting to where I can make the shot is the sport, the outcome, be they pics or meat, is just the outcome of success.
 
2014-01-19 10:30:37 PM  
I'd bet you could go to Africa an arrange to shoot a black rhino for a lot less than 350k. Dude is definitely an attention whore.
 
2014-01-19 10:34:04 PM  

DamnYankees: You killed an endangered animal for fun. You're a piece of shiat. How do you expect to be treated?

/death threats still not apporpriate


Hasn't killed it yet.
He personally donated $350,000 to Rhino conservation, how much have you donated?
Given that his name was leaked, likely with the intent of causing him mental anguish because someone who had access to his name didn't agree with the action - I'd bet that he didn't expect to be treated like anything.

Our society is sick in the sense that anything contrary to our views becomes the Devil Incarnate and must be stopped at all costs.

Also, I'm fairly certain that SSCS has proven time and time again that declaring 'Animals lives are more sacred than our own' is nothing more than a feel-good statement because everyone always clamors for human preservation when push comes to shove.

"WE WOULD ALL GLADLY GIVE OUR LIVES IF IT MEANS ONE MORE WHALE SURVIVES"
"Captain, we either have to go get our stranded crew, or continue harassing the Japanese Whaling Fleet!"
"GOOD GOD MAN, WE HAVE TO GO RESCUE OUR CREW."
 
2014-01-19 10:36:33 PM  

hardinparamedic: DamnYankees: Also, most Indians would laugh in your face if you said the reason they hunted was tradition - Indians hunted for food and fur and useful reasons.

Most Indians would also punch you in the face if you called them an Indian too.


Do you see a feather sticking out of my hat my friend? No you do not!


Yeah, don't really see them getting their loincloths in a knot over it.
 
2014-01-19 10:36:43 PM  
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2014-01-19 10:39:54 PM  

optikeye: From what I understand this individual is an asshole and probably past his reproductive prime and endangers others in the community and unsuited to live in peace with others.

Not so sure about the Rhino tho.


Excellent.
 
2014-01-19 10:40:21 PM  
Ass.
 
2014-01-19 10:40:28 PM  
My violin became so tiny that it formed into a tiny spacial anomaly.
 
2014-01-19 10:40:32 PM  

bojon: Rhinos don't live forever folks. After they reach a certain age they do not procreate. $350K dedicated to saving the rest of the gene pool versus $0K if the animal just keels over and dies.


I think the issue is he is just paying to shoot the thing. He isn't really hunting it. Basically what will happen is guides will point at one and say "Shoot that one" and douchebag pulls the trigger. Then, he gets to tell all of his douchebag friends about his African hunting adventure - which in reality was just driving out in a Land Rover to where some Rhinos are standing around.
 
2014-01-19 10:40:40 PM  

mjjt: Pussy

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I hope he took it from a handmade tree perch with a recurve, because anything else would've been cheap.
 
2014-01-19 10:41:49 PM  

ReverendJynxed: hardinparamedic: DamnYankees: Also, most Indians would laugh in your face if you said the reason they hunted was tradition - Indians hunted for food and fur and useful reasons.

Most Indians would also punch you in the face if you called them an Indian too.

Do you see a feather sticking out of my hat my friend? No you do not!


Yeah, don't really see them getting their loincloths in a knot over it.


Hell no cuz they remember what happened last time!
 
2014-01-19 10:45:51 PM  
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2014-01-19 10:46:45 PM  
Guy who wants to kill a black rhino doesn't have the capability to kill anyone going after his family?

Or does Texas not have "Stand Your Ground"?

/drink!
 
2014-01-19 10:50:19 PM  

bojon: Rhinos don't live forever folks. After they reach a certain age they do not procreate. $350K dedicated to saving the rest of the gene pool versus $0K if the animal just keels over and dies.


THIS!

quit letting your emotion over ride logic.  Also the  meat will be used by the  locals as a nice protein bonus.

This has also been done with elephants as a way to raise funds to preserve them.


Also a serious question for all of you whiners; WTF didn't you and your bunny hugging friends pool your money and bid on this?  I't not like SCI chapters have never done  auctions like this before.
 
2014-01-19 10:51:10 PM  
It should be e pretty epic hunt. I wonder if they're going to go for the maximum challenge of letting it roam freely in its pen, or if they'll play it safe and stake it to one spot.
 
2014-01-19 10:51:20 PM  
ZAZ: His name was posted on Facebook and then picked up by websites that publicized his involvement in the auction.

Cross out "black rhino" and write in "4chan" on the permit.  See if the cops notice
  care.

Open season, no bag limit. Would probably raise the collective IQ and lower the cheeto and mountain dew sales in one month
 
2014-01-19 10:51:36 PM  
 I thought he liked this game?
Or is it getting too dangerous for him?
 
2014-01-19 10:52:22 PM  

doglover: He's a hunter. fark him. He knows how the game works.

You're sitting at home, peacefully eating lunch with your family when BLAM a bullet rips out your lungs. You gasp uselessly as blood froths out of mouth and collapse. The last thing you see in your tunnel vision is your wife and children covered in your blood as you fall to the floor. A man in an orange vest kicks in your door and starts to decapitate you, because all he wanted was your head on his wall, but while your family is running away he takes a nice long look at your son and says "Soon, I'm coming back for him!"


A bit of a My Cousin Vinny vibe to the nth coming across here. . .
 
2014-01-19 10:52:56 PM  

vodka: People are so stupid. This animal will be killed whether by this man or game control. This particular rhino is old and farking evil, it's killing all the younger rhinos. The auction brings in a shiat-ton of money that will be used to protect the other rhinos and it's something that is going to be done anyway.


Exactly. People don't understand how Africa works. Game wardens are the only thing that stand in between poachers and the endangered animals and unfortunately many of these wardens have lost their jobs due to hunting bans. Without game wardens, poachers can operate freely. And poachers are the real enemy.
 
2014-01-19 10:53:06 PM  
If you enjoy reading about asswipes that hunt black rhinos getting their just desserts try Sick Puppy by Carl Hiaasen.
 
2014-01-19 10:53:20 PM  

JK8Fan: bojon: Rhinos don't live forever folks. After they reach a certain age they do not procreate. $350K dedicated to saving the rest of the gene pool versus $0K if the animal just keels over and dies.

I think the issue is he is just paying to shoot the thing. He isn't really hunting it. Basically what will happen is guides will point at one and say "Shoot that one" and douchebag pulls the trigger. Then, he gets to tell all of his douchebag friends about his African hunting adventure - which in reality was just driving out in a Land Rover to where some Rhinos are standing around.


Meh look at it this way, jackoff is paying 350 K to do what they would have to pay someone to do soon (at least according to TFA) since the rhino in question is turning aggressive.
 
2014-01-19 10:53:36 PM  

JK8Fan: bojon: Rhinos don't live forever folks. After they reach a certain age they do not procreate. $350K dedicated to saving the rest of the gene pool versus $0K if the animal just keels over and dies.

I think the issue is he is just paying to shoot the thing. He isn't really hunting it. Basically what will happen is guides will point at one and say "Shoot that one" and douchebag pulls the trigger. Then, he gets to tell all of his douchebag friends about his African hunting adventure - which in reality was just driving out in a Land Rover to where some Rhinos are standing around.


Maybe if they went a more humane route with tranqs followed by a lethal injection? Perhaps stick it on an ice floe? I say give him a spear a knife and a general direction of the critter and let nature take it's course.

It seems like a lot of people are humanizing this. After all, old people put out to pasture aren't expecting to be blindsided by ordinance and they expected to be treated and provided for as well as protected animals. If this could happen to something as majestic as the rhino, what chance does cantankerous granny Charlotte stand?
 
2014-01-19 10:54:20 PM  

oldernell: Probably fishes with dynamite.


Purists still use calcium carbide in wine bottles, for the fishes it's a...
(lowers sunglasses)...
...Mal de Merlot
 
2014-01-19 10:55:37 PM  

sno man: Hoban Washburne: doglover: So, they do indeed have a valid perspective of what hunting is like from their end. The only hunters I respect in the day of industrial slaughter houses and high powered rifles are sniper scouts, or "hunters of gunmen" as they dub themselves.

As someone who eats meat, I'm perfectly fine with "ethical hunting."  That is, hunting overpopulated (or at least not underpopulated) animals that would otherwise starve and eating and/or donating the meat.  A deer that gets killed in the wild has a much better life than a cow in a factory farm.  There is not really a "good death" in nature.  Animals usually die of starvation or getting eaten by other animals.  Being put down by a skilled hunter is probably one of the cleaner deaths possible for wild animals.  True fair chase deer stalking is actually very difficult and physically taxing.

The rhino is endangered and I seriously doubt this guy is planning to eat it, or that it will be a fair chase scenario.  I imagine he'll be driven by a guide in one of those safari jeeps, get relatively close, the rhino will be like "Ehh, whatever" because he's used to people in jeeps, and the guy will just shoot him.  That's a farking shiatty, cowardly thing to do.

You may personally be opposed to all types of hunting, but let's at least separate the reasonable from the ridiculous.

And as bojon pointed out this is a very specific hunt of a small number of post procreating animals with the proceeds of the lottery going to preservation efforts of the herd. I'm putting this on the reasonable side of that equation.


Nope. This is all about how hunters are evil and have 'micropenises' and shiat. Don't you dare inject logic or rationality into this.  WHY DO YOU HATE UNINFORMED HATRED??
 
2014-01-19 10:56:07 PM  
I don't have any respect for trophy-hunting, but then again, these conservation efforts, these regulated, state-sanctioned conservation efforts involving the auctioning off of limited hunting permits as a requisite of effective wildlife management, that I do respect.

The people who think it's OK to with death upon someone for supporting wildlife conservation and performing a necessary culling (even critically endangered species have to have their populations managed, otherwise the whole group is at risk) are far, far more despicable than a hunter.

/they have to kill some animals, it's inevitable, this way they get money that supports conservation and the local economy, which helps keep unregulated poachers away
 
2014-01-19 10:56:28 PM  
We should look to the white, liberal, entitled 20 year old children who make up fark - you know, the ones who don't pay taxes, to answer this question.

Sent with my Ipad
 
2014-01-19 10:58:46 PM  
Robotic Rhino-real dolls. Just sayin'
 
2014-01-19 10:59:57 PM  
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2014-01-19 11:00:28 PM  
Wow... fark has gone quite rabid and is showing its true lefty colors here almost unanimously...  As a Texan I fully support this hunt, and this mans right to help this endangered species and related conservation efforts while experiencing the thrill of a lifetime.   everyone that is outraged can just go choke on a bag of dicks as far as I care...
 
2014-01-19 11:00:45 PM  

serial_crusher: Meh, the younger rhinos get the protection they need.  The conservationists get a ton of money to further conservation efforts.  The rich asshole gets an opportunity to be a rich asshole.

Sounds to me like everybody wins.


Or he could, you know, stop being an asshole for 20 minutes and write the conservationists a $350K check.
 
2014-01-19 11:02:36 PM  
"They're wanting to kill me," he said. "They're wanting to kill my children. They're wanting to skin us alive."

Huh, wow, how barbaric and alien.  A bunch of humans wanting to track you down, kill you and skin you.

And then the needle on his irony meter stabbed him in the eye.
 
2014-01-19 11:04:14 PM  

ReverendJynxed: bojon: Rhinos don't live forever folks. After they reach a certain age they do not procreate. $350K dedicated to saving the rest of the gene pool versus $0K if the animal just keels over and dies.

Remember that Boomers. Read the ACA REAL close.


Is your job to threadshiat and post anti-Obama crap in threads that isn't even remotely related to the topic?

It's bad enough that there are folks that pull this crap in the politics tab. This is just pathetic.
 
2014-01-19 11:05:46 PM  

Maul555: Wow... fark has gone quite rabid and is showing its true lefty colors here almost unanimously...  As a Texan I


Yep. It's a complete teenage liberal circlejerk now, the ones who are not on reddit. The adults have left, we're done. check back, but done.
 
2014-01-19 11:05:54 PM  

doglover: He's a hunter. fark him. He knows how the game works.

You're sitting at home, peacefully eating lunch with your family when BLAM a bullet rips out your lungs. You gasp uselessly as blood froths out of mouth and collapse. The last thing you see in your tunnel vision is your wife and children covered in your blood as you fall to the floor. A man in an orange vest kicks in your door and starts to decapitate you, because all he wanted was your head on his wall, but while your family is running away he takes a nice long look at your son and says "Soon, I'm coming back for him!"


Tru dat
 
2014-01-19 11:06:23 PM  

bojon: Rhinos don't live forever folks. After they reach a certain age they do not procreate. $350K dedicated to saving the rest of the gene pool versus $0K if the animal just keels over and dies.


This.  The hunt is to cull (kill, whatever word you want), lone males who have NO value to the survival of the species.  $350K to kill an animal who can not possibly preserve the species, to be spent to protect the animals which CAN preserve the species, is money well spent.

The permit is to kill a lone male with no chance to help his species any longer.  The money will be spent to protect the viable members of the species.  This isn't complicated.  If the anti-hunting idiots and Wayne Purcells would wake up and face reality, they'd understand that this is neutral at worst, and $350K positive in reality.
 
2014-01-19 11:08:37 PM  

acohn: serial_crusher: Meh, the younger rhinos get the protection they need.  The conservationists get a ton of money to further conservation efforts.  The rich asshole gets an opportunity to be a rich asshole.

Sounds to me like everybody wins.

Or he could, you know, stop being an asshole for 20 minutes and write the conservationists a $350K check.


Or you could, you know, stop being an asshole for 20 minutes and recognize that it doesn't matter if the individual in question will experience the death of the rhino first hand, the rhino will still die and the conservationists will still get their money.  if anything, the individual flying over to Namibia will create extra income for the tourism trade, whereas a game warden performing the task will provide no additional benefits.

If eco-terrorists can afford to buy and outfit multiple large sea vessels, respectable land-based preservation/conservation groups could've raised enough funds to outbid most interested parties and done whatever they pleased.

But they didn't, so they can kindly shut the fark up and stop being petty assholes.
 
2014-01-19 11:09:29 PM  

ladodger34: ReverendJynxed: bojon: Rhinos don't live forever folks. After they reach a certain age they do not procreate. $350K dedicated to saving the rest of the gene pool versus $0K if the animal just keels over and dies.

Remember that Boomers. Read the ACA REAL close.

Is your job to threadshiat and post anti-Obama crap in threads that isn't even remotely related to the topic?

It's bad enough that there are folks that pull this crap in the politics tab. This is just pathetic.


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2014-01-19 11:09:31 PM  

Pribar: JK8Fan: bojon: Rhinos don't live forever folks. After they reach a certain age they do not procreate. $350K dedicated to saving the rest of the gene pool versus $0K if the animal just keels over and dies.

I think the issue is he is just paying to shoot the thing. He isn't really hunting it. Basically what will happen is guides will point at one and say "Shoot that one" and douchebag pulls the trigger. Then, he gets to tell all of his douchebag friends about his African hunting adventure - which in reality was just driving out in a Land Rover to where some Rhinos are standing around.

Meh look at it this way, jackoff is paying 350 K to do what they would have to pay someone to do soon (at least according to TFA) since the rhino in question is turning aggressive.


Yeah, well, there you go being realistic and pragmatic and stuff.  Way to read the article, man.  Nice going.  Didn't you get the memo?  We're supposed to rush to judgement based on not having facts or logic.  You must be new here.
 
2014-01-19 11:10:04 PM  

Cewley: How to you spell farking Asshole?


You ever wonder what keeps the funds going to most successful preserves?
 
2014-01-19 11:10:35 PM  

djh0101010: bojon: Rhinos don't live forever folks. After they reach a certain age they do not procreate. $350K dedicated to saving the rest of the gene pool versus $0K if the animal just keels over and dies.

This.  The hunt is to cull (kill, whatever word you want), lone males who have NO value to the survival of the species.  $350K to kill an animal who can not possibly preserve the species, to be spent to protect the animals which CAN preserve the species, is money well spent.

The permit is to kill a lone male with no chance to help his species any longer.  The money will be spent to protect the viable members of the species.  This isn't complicated.  If the anti-hunting idiots and Wayne Purcells would wake up and face reality, they'd understand that this is neutral at worst, and $350K positive in reality.


It's not even neutral, it's a net-positive.  This is an animal that's going to be killed anyway, and a rich guy is going to spend $350k to do it, not to mention whatever else he spends over there in resort fees, hiring local guids, airfare, travel expenses.
 
2014-01-19 11:11:45 PM  
What I learned from this thread:

Most people don't get the concept of herd management.
 
2014-01-19 11:12:46 PM  
I could be wrong but this seems like one of those situations where you win a 50/50 raffle for charity and your kinda expected to donate your winnings to the cause.  That being said, if the conservationists didn't want this fine black steed being chased down and slaughtered for nothing more than the right of some rich peckerwoods bragging rights, maybe they should have had a bake sale.
 
2014-01-19 11:12:56 PM  
There is no hunting like the hunting of man, and those who have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter.


- Ernest Hemingway
 
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2014-01-19 11:13:11 PM  

JK8Fan: bojon: Rhinos don't live forever folks. After they reach a certain age they do not procreate. $350K dedicated to saving the rest of the gene pool versus $0K if the animal just keels over and dies.

I think the issue is he is just paying to shoot the thing. He isn't really hunting it. Basically what will happen is guides will point at one and say "Shoot that one" and douchebag pulls the trigger. Then, he gets to tell all of his douchebag friends about his African hunting adventure - which in reality was just driving out in a Land Rover to where some Rhinos are standing around.


That country has been doing this for years and nobody batted an eye. And then a dude from Texas gets involved and everyone is from Save The farking Animals. Those folks know what they are doing to preserve the animals. Where is the protest line for next year?
 
2014-01-19 11:14:35 PM  

kim jong-un: In all honesty, if the animal is of an endangered species and not of a breeding stock, it probably should be killed.  And if you can raise money by killing it, all the better.

If it's not breeding, then all it is doing is taking up resources which could be applied to keeping the breeding stock alive.


Curious how your grandchildren will treat you when you are grumpy and past your breeding age. All the best to you.
 
2014-01-19 11:17:49 PM  
Fine... If someone wants to hunt an endangered rhino that is non-productive for the herd, that's fine... As long as he has to do it without a gun. Give him a spear and a knife, and send him out into the wild to actually HUNT like a real man, instead of being a pussy with a gun posted 200 yards from the animal.

If he can take down the rhino with a spear and knife, then he can call himself a hunter. Until then, he's just an asshole who paid to slaughter an animal for kicks.
 
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