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(SeattlePI)   A North Texas man who paid $350,000 for the right to hunt an endangered African black rhino said he's had to hire full-time security due to death threats after his name was leaked onto the Internet   (seattlepi.com) divider line 395
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2014-01-19 04:33:49 PM  
How to you spell farking Asshole?
 
2014-01-19 04:35:03 PM  
Or he's an attention whore
 
2014-01-19 04:38:08 PM  
Are we supposed to feel bad for him or... what?
 
2014-01-19 04:39:14 PM  
I want to be intimately involved with a black rhino.

TMI, dude.
 
2014-01-19 04:39:38 PM  
Time to arm Rhinos with nuclear weapons.
 
2014-01-19 04:40:59 PM  
I want to experience a black rhino. I want to be intimately involved with a black rhino.

wow, dude.
 
2014-01-19 04:46:28 PM  
I think he means to have sex with that large beast.
 
2014-01-19 04:47:12 PM  
He's a hunter. fark him. He knows how the game works.

You're sitting at home, peacefully eating lunch with your family when BLAM a bullet rips out your lungs. You gasp uselessly as blood froths out of mouth and collapse. The last thing you see in your tunnel vision is your wife and children covered in your blood as you fall to the floor. A man in an orange vest kicks in your door and starts to decapitate you, because all he wanted was your head on his wall, but while your family is running away he takes a nice long look at your son and says "Soon, I'm coming back for him!"
 
2014-01-19 04:48:55 PM  

doglover: He's a hunter. fark him. He knows how the game works.

You're sitting at home, peacefully eating lunch with your family when BLAM a bullet rips out your lungs. You gasp uselessly as blood froths out of mouth and collapse. The last thing you see in your tunnel vision is your wife and children covered in your blood as you fall to the floor. A man in an orange vest kicks in your door and starts to decapitate you, because all he wanted was your head on his wall, but while your family is running away he takes a nice long look at your son and says "Soon, I'm coming back for him!"


Jesus.
 
2014-01-19 04:50:36 PM  
Black Rhinos are endangered, douchebags aren't.
 
2014-01-19 04:53:56 PM  
Oh come on and man up. I wouldn't expect anything less if i was doing something like this. People will say this kind of stuff for pretty much anything. I got death threats when I worked at a crappy college radio station.
 
2014-01-19 04:57:18 PM  
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2014-01-19 04:58:35 PM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: doglover: He's a hunter. fark him. He knows how the game works.

You're sitting at home, peacefully eating lunch with your family when BLAM a bullet rips out your lungs. You gasp uselessly as blood froths out of mouth and collapse. The last thing you see in your tunnel vision is your wife and children covered in your blood as you fall to the floor. A man in an orange vest kicks in your door and starts to decapitate you, because all he wanted was your head on his wall, but while your family is running away he takes a nice long look at your son and says "Soon, I'm coming back for him!"

Jesus.


Animals are conscious beings. Just because they're tasty and you're ignorant doesn't mean that they're some kind of meat robot. They've each got moods, personalities, memories. Even hive insects of exceedingly uniform nature, like ants, have some variations and learn by experience.

So, they do indeed have a valid perspective of what hunting is like from their end. The only hunters I respect in the day of industrial slaughter houses and high powered rifles are sniper scouts, or "hunters of gunmen" as they dub themselves.

Anyone else is cheating because animals can't shoot back.
 
2014-01-19 05:16:06 PM  

doglover: He's a hunter. fark him. He knows how the game works.

You're sitting at home, peacefully eating lunch with your family when BLAM a bullet rips out your lungs. You gasp uselessly as blood froths out of mouth and collapse. The last thing you see in your tunnel vision is your wife and children covered in your blood as you fall to the floor. A man in an orange vest kicks in your door and starts to decapitate you, because all he wanted was your head on his wall, but while your family is running away he takes a nice long look at your son and says "Soon, I'm coming back for him!"


Nice!
 
2014-01-19 05:26:06 PM  
A North Texas man who paid $350,000 for the right to hunt an endangered African black rhino said he's had to hire full-time security due to death threats after his name was leaked onto the Internet

Those rhinos are a vengeful lot, aren't they?
 
2014-01-19 05:38:41 PM  
Rhinos don't live forever folks. After they reach a certain age they do not procreate. $350K dedicated to saving the rest of the gene pool versus $0K if the animal just keels over and dies.
 
2014-01-19 05:39:57 PM  
NewportBarGuy: I think he means to have sex with that large beast.

Bloodninja: Ok baby, we got to hurry, I don't know how long I can keep it ready for you.
j_gurli13: thats ok. ok i'm a japanese schoolgirl, what r u.
Bloodninja: A Rhinocerus. Well, hung like one, thats for sure.
j_gurli13: haha, ok lets go.
j_gurli13: i put my hand through ur hair, and kiss u on the neck.
Bloodninja: I stomp the ground, and snort, to alert you that you are in my breeding territory.
j_gurli13: haha, ok, u know that turns me on.
j_gurli13: i start unbuttoning ur shirt.
Bloodninja: Rhinoceruses don't wear shirts.
j_gurli13: No, ur not really a Rhinocerus silly, it's just part of the game.
Bloodninja: Rhinoceruses don't play games. They f**king charge your ass.
j_gurli13: stop, cmon be serious.
Bloodninja: It doesn't get any more serious than a Rhinocerus about to charge your ass.
Bloodninja: I stomp my feet, the dust stirs around my tough skinned feet.
j_gurli13: thats it.
Bloodninja: Nostrils flaring, I lower my head. My horn, like some phallic symbol of my potent virility, is the last thing you see as skulls collide and mine remains the victor. You are now a bloody red ragdoll suspended in the air on my mighty horn.
Bloodninja: F**k am I hard now.
 
2014-01-19 05:43:24 PM  
Probably fishes with dynamite.
 
2014-01-19 05:48:37 PM  

ultraholland: NewportBarGuy: I think he means to have sex with that large beast.

Bloodninja: Ok baby, we got to hurry, I don't know how long I can keep it ready for you.
j_gurli13: thats ok. ok i'm a japanese schoolgirl, what r u.
Bloodninja: A Rhinocerus. Well, hung like one, thats for sure.
j_gurli13: haha, ok lets go.
j_gurli13: i put my hand through ur hair, and kiss u on the neck.
Bloodninja: I stomp the ground, and snort, to alert you that you are in my breeding territory.
j_gurli13: haha, ok, u know that turns me on.
j_gurli13: i start unbuttoning ur shirt.
Bloodninja: Rhinoceruses don't wear shirts.
j_gurli13: No, ur not really a Rhinocerus silly, it's just part of the game.
Bloodninja: Rhinoceruses don't play games. They f**king charge your ass.
j_gurli13: stop, cmon be serious.
Bloodninja: It doesn't get any more serious than a Rhinocerus about to charge your ass.
Bloodninja: I stomp my feet, the dust stirs around my tough skinned feet.
j_gurli13: thats it.
Bloodninja: Nostrils flaring, I lower my head. My horn, like some phallic symbol of my potent virility, is the last thing you see as skulls collide and mine remains the victor. You are now a bloody red ragdoll suspended in the air on my mighty horn.
Bloodninja: F**k am I hard now.


Rhymenoceros is horny.
 
2014-01-19 06:24:19 PM  

ultraholland: I want to experience a black rhino. I want to be intimately involved with a black rhino.

wow, dude.


My grandfather served in North Africa in World War II.  A few decades after the war, he took a trip back to see his old battlefields, and decided to do a tour of the whole continent, including a safari.

He had the opportunity to shoot a rhino.  Because they were rarely hunted by humans in that region (I don't recall where this was exactly), it wasn't scared of him, or his hunting party.  It just stared at him, casually grazing.  It didn't movie, it didn't threaten to charge.  It just stood there, staring and chewing.

He refused to shoot it, stating it would be "about as sporting as shooting a parked mini-van."
 
2014-01-19 06:30:33 PM  
Be vewy, vewy quiet...

/We're hunting Elmers...
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2014-01-19 06:30:37 PM  

doglover: So, they do indeed have a valid perspective of what hunting is like from their end. The only hunters I respect in the day of industrial slaughter houses and high powered rifles are sniper scouts, or "hunters of gunmen" as they dub themselves.


As someone who eats meat, I'm perfectly fine with "ethical hunting."  That is, hunting overpopulated (or at least not underpopulated) animals that would otherwise starve and eating and/or donating the meat.  A deer that gets killed in the wild has a much better life than a cow in a factory farm.  There is not really a "good death" in nature.  Animals usually die of starvation or getting eaten by other animals.  Being put down by a skilled hunter is probably one of the cleaner deaths possible for wild animals.  True fair chase deer stalking is actually very difficult and physically taxing.

The rhino is endangered and I seriously doubt this guy is planning to eat it, or that it will be a fair chase scenario.  I imagine he'll be driven by a guide in one of those safari jeeps, get relatively close, the rhino will be like "Ehh, whatever" because he's used to people in jeeps, and the guy will just shoot him.  That's a farking shiatty, cowardly thing to do.

You may personally be opposed to all types of hunting, but let's at least separate the reasonable from the ridiculous.
 
2014-01-19 06:55:41 PM  
Opposed to is a strong word. Nature is the process by which overwhelming force exploits weakness relentlessly. Can't blame the orb spider that the fly is just a defenseless juice pack on wings.

But humans don't have to hunt, and when they do they don't have to hunt endangered animals. Especially not megafauna. Megafauna serve a vital role in the food chain. Their feces are an important resource to all many of autotrophs and insects, which are the foundation of the whole chain. By killing off a single rhino, you've eliminated years of fertilizer leading to lower nutrition, less seed migration, fewer flies, and if they're around the dung beetles aren't gonna be happy. Everyone suffers.

Normally, this wouln't be a problem. But we're 10,000 years into a bad case of humans. Rhino levels are at an all time low and many megafauna species are extinct worldwide. Shooting a single rhino at this point is like punching a guy in the ICU in his arm. It might not kill him, might not even hurt him, but it's ain't gonna help nobody.

If you want to hunt, get a machette and go clear out the pythons from the Everglades. Pile the nutria to the moon. Get an underwater submersible and use it to spear every asian carp near the great lakes. But don't shoot a rhino. Every rhino is helping. Want to experience one? Bring a camera, not a rifle.
 
2014-01-19 07:05:09 PM  
Meh, the younger rhinos get the protection they need.  The conservationists get a ton of money to further conservation efforts.  The rich asshole gets an opportunity to be a rich asshole.

Sounds to me like everybody wins.
 
2014-01-19 07:10:35 PM  
doglover:

I feel like that was in response to me.  I stated clearly that I was against rhino hunting but didn't have a problem with hunting overpopulated animals.  I don't disagree with a lot of what you're saying, but telling me rhino hunting is bad after what I said makes it look like I advocate rhino hunting.
 
2014-01-19 07:27:10 PM  
From what I understand this individual is an asshole and probably past his reproductive prime and endangers others in the community and unsuited to live in peace with others.

Not so sure about the Rhino tho.
 
2014-01-19 07:46:30 PM  

Hoban Washburne: doglover:

I feel like that was in response to me.  I stated clearly that I was against rhino hunting but didn't have a problem with hunting overpopulated animals.  I don't disagree with a lot of what you're saying, but telling me rhino hunting is bad after what I said makes it look like I advocate rhino hunting.


You're good people.
 
2014-01-19 07:54:46 PM  
"They're wanting to kill me," he said. "They're wanting to kill my children. They're wanting to skin us alive."


Maybe you should use some of that blood money for remedial grammar lessons, you stupid farking yokel.
 
2014-01-19 07:57:16 PM  
fark this piece of human garbage.
 
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2014-01-19 08:01:13 PM  
His name was posted on Facebook and then picked up by websites that publicized his involvement in the auction.

Cross out "black rhino" and write in "4chan" on the permit.  See if the cops notice.
 
2014-01-19 08:03:59 PM  
A man with 350k to blow on a hunting licence, but can't pass a basic middle school grammar test? I'm gonna call fake.
 
2014-01-19 08:07:08 PM  
Christ, what an asshole.
 
2014-01-19 08:07:33 PM  

WTF Indeed: A man with 350k to blow on a hunting licence, but can't pass a basic middle school grammar test? I'm gonna call fake.


Texas.
 
2014-01-19 08:09:21 PM  
Good
 
2014-01-19 08:09:27 PM  

Tellingthem: Oh come on and man up. I wouldn't expect anything less if i was doing something like this. People will say this kind of stuff for pretty much anything. I got death threats when I worked at a crappy college radio station.


I used to get death threats doing customer service for a pre-paid cell phone company.
 
2014-01-19 08:10:41 PM  

doglover: Texas.


No. If you have enough brains to make the 350k + 20k to get to Africa and stay there, you have a lawyer who can write up a real statement.
 
2014-01-19 08:12:18 PM  

doglover: He's a hunter. fark him. He knows how the game works.

You're sitting at home, peacefully eating lunch with your family when BLAM a bullet rips out your lungs. You gasp uselessly as blood froths out of mouth and collapse. The last thing you see in your tunnel vision is your wife and children covered in your blood as you fall to the floor. A man in an orange vest kicks in your door and starts to decapitate you, because all he wanted was your head on his wall, but while your family is running away he takes a nice long look at your son and says "Soon, I'm coming back for him!"


pbs.twimg.com

No, no no no... Like, a big sweaty fireman carries you out of a burning building, lays you on the sidewalk, and you think, "Yeah, okay, he's gonna give me mouth to mouth." But instead, he just starts choking the shiat out of you, and the last sensation that you feel before you die is he is squeezing your throat so hard that a big, wet, blob of drool drips off his teeth and just "flurr", falls right onto your popped out eyeball...
 
2014-01-19 08:17:35 PM  
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2014-01-19 08:19:54 PM  

hardinparamedic: doglover: He's a hunter. fark him. He knows how the game works.

You're sitting at home, peacefully eating lunch with your family when BLAM a bullet rips out your lungs. You gasp uselessly as blood froths out of mouth and collapse. The last thing you see in your tunnel vision is your wife and children covered in your blood as you fall to the floor. A man in an orange vest kicks in your door and starts to decapitate you, because all he wanted was your head on his wall, but while your family is running away he takes a nice long look at your son and says "Soon, I'm coming back for him!"

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No, no no no... Like, a big sweaty fireman carries you out of a burning building, lays you on the sidewalk, and you think, "Yeah, okay, he's gonna give me mouth to mouth." But instead, he just starts choking the shiat out of you, and the last sensation that you feel before you die is he is squeezing your throat so hard that a big, wet, blob of drool drips off his teeth and just "flurr", falls right onto your popped out eyeball...


Sploosh!
 
2014-01-19 08:25:45 PM  
This could be the basis of the action film franchise of the 21st Century.  We got this rugged man of action looking kill himself one of nature's most elusive animals.  Word gets out and PETA forms a team of ninja assassins who stalk the hunter over seven continents.  Will he emerge the ultimate prey and ultimate victor or will he meet a grisly end?  The only way out is ahead.  I'm thinking Stathan as the lead.  Give it the working title Hunter2Hunted.  Get me Weinstein on the horn, stat.  We gotta do lunch.
 
2014-01-19 08:26:57 PM  

fusillade762: Tellingthem: Oh come on and man up. I wouldn't expect anything less if i was doing something like this. People will say this kind of stuff for pretty much anything. I got death threats when I worked at a crappy college radio station.

I used to get death threats doing customer service for a pre-paid cell phone company.


Heh...ahh customer service. I also got them when I worked at a stores credit card department. I always wondered what people thought was going to happen? Oh sorry sir, I know that you're maxed out on your credit line but since you said you were going to come down here and "shoot me in the parking lot" it's been increased by 5,000 dollars. Enjoy the new bedroom set and have a great day!
 
2014-01-19 08:30:03 PM  

doglover: He's a hunter. fark him. He knows how the game works.

You're sitting at home, peacefully eating lunch with your family when BLAM a bullet rips out your lungs. You gasp uselessly as blood froths out of mouth and collapse. The last thing you see in your tunnel vision is your wife and children covered in your blood as you fall to the floor. A man in an orange vest kicks in your door and starts to decapitate you, because all he wanted was your head on his wall, but while your family is running away he takes a nice long look at your son and says "Soon, I'm coming back for him!"


Best post of the day.  Easily.
 
2014-01-19 08:35:22 PM  
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2014-01-19 08:37:29 PM  
Micropenis...
 
2014-01-19 08:39:21 PM  
All kidding aside, boo farking hoo.

You're going to kill an endangered animal. For no reason other than bragging rights.

Look, I'm playing the world's smallest Farkin' violin that people don't like you're going to do it.

At least when I kill a deer, I use most of it.
 
2014-01-19 08:41:00 PM  

doglover: ecmoRandomNumbers: doglover: He's a hunter. fark him. He knows how the game works.

You're sitting at home, peacefully eating lunch with your family when BLAM a bullet rips out your lungs. You gasp uselessly as blood froths out of mouth and collapse. The last thing you see in your tunnel vision is your wife and children covered in your blood as you fall to the floor. A man in an orange vest kicks in your door and starts to decapitate you, because all he wanted was your head on his wall, but while your family is running away he takes a nice long look at your son and says "Soon, I'm coming back for him!"

Jesus.

Animals are conscious beings. Just because they're tasty and you're ignorant doesn't mean that they're some kind of meat robot. They've each got moods, personalities, memories. Even hive insects of exceedingly uniform nature, like ants, have some variations and learn by experience.

So, they do indeed have a valid perspective of what hunting is like from their end. The only hunters I respect in the day of industrial slaughter houses and high powered rifles are sniper scouts, or "hunters of gunmen" as they dub themselves.

Anyone else is cheating because animals can't shoot back.


Climb down off your high horse. You took offense from a one-word comment and I wasn't arguing against you. I found your comment frighteningly descriptive more than anything.
 
2014-01-19 08:45:49 PM  

hardinparamedic: All kidding aside, boo farking hoo.

You're going to kill an endangered animal. For no reason other than bragging rights.

Look, I'm playing the world's smallest Farkin' violin that people don't like you're going to do it.

At least when I kill a deer, I use most of it.


Especially the testes.

Mmm. Appalachian oysters.
 
2014-01-19 08:56:25 PM  
Look on the bright side: Because of the new security detail, this guy is now creating jobs and stimulating the economy. Instead of tax cuts for the rich I suggest we institute death threats for the rich. Boom. Guaranteed jobs.
 
2014-01-19 09:03:13 PM  
Absolutely disgusting.  They're hunting this man like he's a defenseless animal.
 
2014-01-19 09:05:10 PM  
ken_ashford.typepad.com
 
2014-01-19 09:17:32 PM  

Hoban Washburne: doglover: So, they do indeed have a valid perspective of what hunting is like from their end. The only hunters I respect in the day of industrial slaughter houses and high powered rifles are sniper scouts, or "hunters of gunmen" as they dub themselves.

As someone who eats meat, I'm perfectly fine with "ethical hunting."  That is, hunting overpopulated (or at least not underpopulated) animals that would otherwise starve and eating and/or donating the meat.  A deer that gets killed in the wild has a much better life than a cow in a factory farm.  There is not really a "good death" in nature.  Animals usually die of starvation or getting eaten by other animals.  Being put down by a skilled hunter is probably one of the cleaner deaths possible for wild animals.  True fair chase deer stalking is actually very difficult and physically taxing.

The rhino is endangered and I seriously doubt this guy is planning to eat it, or that it will be a fair chase scenario.  I imagine he'll be driven by a guide in one of those safari jeeps, get relatively close, the rhino will be like "Ehh, whatever" because he's used to people in jeeps, and the guy will just shoot him.  That's a farking shiatty, cowardly thing to do.

You may personally be opposed to all types of hunting, but let's at least separate the reasonable from the ridiculous.


And as bojon pointed out this is a very specific hunt of a small number of post procreating animals with the proceeds of the lottery going to preservation efforts of the herd. I'm putting this on the reasonable side of that equation.
 
2014-01-19 09:27:06 PM  
I'd have less of a problem if this wasn't obviously a trophy license.  The rhino is on a preserve, they know exactly where he's going to be, and since the rhino likely has no earthly idea he's supposed to be mortally afraid of a white guy from Texas, shooting it isn't going to require a whole lot of skill unless it's charging him.

I'm all for hunting, but let's do it intelligently.  My family and my in-laws hunt, but they hunt deer and duck.  Deer are herd animals, they don't have nearly enough natural predators in the US, and they aren't endangered.  Ducks are assholes.  But in either case, the human is just substituting himself for a natural predator.  It doesn't sound like this rhino would be dying any time soon without human intervention.

However, I do applaud the proceeds going to support conservation efforts of the other rhinos.
 
2014-01-19 09:32:32 PM  
The kind of people who make threats against him probably don't have the means to carry through on the threats. Probably.
 
2014-01-19 09:35:09 PM  
People are so stupid. This animal will be killed whether by this man or game control. This particular rhino is old and farking evil, it's killing all the younger rhinos. The auction brings in a shiat-ton of money that will be used to protect the other rhinos and it's something that is going to be done anyway.
 
2014-01-19 09:35:36 PM  
You killed an endangered animal for fun. You're a piece of shiat. How do you expect to be treated?

/death threats still not apporpriate
 
2014-01-19 09:37:13 PM  
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2014-01-19 09:37:42 PM  

sno man: Hoban Washburne: doglover: So, they do indeed have a valid perspective of what hunting is like from their end. The only hunters I respect in the day of industrial slaughter houses and high powered rifles are sniper scouts, or "hunters of gunmen" as they dub themselves.

As someone who eats meat, I'm perfectly fine with "ethical hunting."  That is, hunting overpopulated (or at least not underpopulated) animals that would otherwise starve and eating and/or donating the meat.  A deer that gets killed in the wild has a much better life than a cow in a factory farm.  There is not really a "good death" in nature.  Animals usually die of starvation or getting eaten by other animals.  Being put down by a skilled hunter is probably one of the cleaner deaths possible for wild animals.  True fair chase deer stalking is actually very difficult and physically taxing.

The rhino is endangered and I seriously doubt this guy is planning to eat it, or that it will be a fair chase scenario.  I imagine he'll be driven by a guide in one of those safari jeeps, get relatively close, the rhino will be like "Ehh, whatever" because he's used to people in jeeps, and the guy will just shoot him.  That's a farking shiatty, cowardly thing to do.

You may personally be opposed to all types of hunting, but let's at least separate the reasonable from the ridiculous.

And as bojon pointed out this is a very specific hunt of a small number of post procreating animals with the proceeds of the lottery going to preservation efforts of the herd. I'm putting this on the reasonable side of that equation.


I came here to point out that this hunt was of an animal well past it's breeding years that is aggressive and prevents younger males from breeding, thus stymying the growth of the population, and thus actually a hindrance to maintaining a healthy population. Also I was going to point out that the government of Nairobi has one of the best conservation programs in the world and that they use the money from this hunt to further the program to preserve the species as a whole. Finally I was going to point out that this animal would be killed either way, in order to preserve the herd, and making money off of it to continue the program was a side benefit.

Glad to see it was already mentioned.
 
2014-01-19 09:37:58 PM  

Secret Agent X23: I want to be intimately involved with a black rhino.

TMI, dude.


HA! I don't care if he wants to kill a black rhino, but to f*ck one for 350k? Screw that.
 
2014-01-19 09:38:22 PM  
"I want to experience a black rhino. I want to be intimately involved with a black rhino"

I know it's been posted, I just can't help from laughing at how it is phrased.

/kinky
 
2014-01-19 09:39:24 PM  

Kit Fister: I came here to point out that this hunt was of an animal well past it's breeding years that is aggressive and prevents younger males from breeding, thus stymying the growth of the population, and thus actually a hindrance to maintaining a healthy population. Also I was going to point out that the government of Nairobi has one of the best conservation programs in the world and that they use the money from this hunt to further the program to preserve the species as a whole. Finally I was going to point out that this animal would be killed either way, in order to preserve the herd, and making money off of it to continue the program was a side benefit.

Glad to see it was already mentioned.


There are those of us who understand that, but still find it generally loathsome to be the kind of person who kills things for sport. Just that fact alone is pretty much enough to earn the scorn (rightful scorn, IMO) of a lot of people.
 
2014-01-19 09:39:32 PM  

doglover: ecmoRandomNumbers: doglover: He's a hunter. fark him. He knows how the game works.

You're sitting at home, peacefully eating lunch with your family when BLAM a bullet rips out your lungs. You gasp uselessly as blood froths out of mouth and collapse. The last thing you see in your tunnel vision is your wife and children covered in your blood as you fall to the floor. A man in an orange vest kicks in your door and starts to decapitate you, because all he wanted was your head on his wall, but while your family is running away he takes a nice long look at your son and says "Soon, I'm coming back for him!"

Jesus.

Animals are conscious beings. Just because they're tasty and you're ignorant doesn't mean that they're some kind of meat robot. They've each got moods, personalities, memories. Even hive insects of exceedingly uniform nature, like ants, have some variations and learn by experience.

So, they do indeed have a valid perspective of what hunting is like from their end. The only hunters I respect in the day of industrial slaughter houses and high powered rifles are sniper scouts, or "hunters of gunmen" as they dub themselves.

Anyone else is cheating because animals can't shoot back.


So industrial slaughter is good.
 
2014-01-19 09:39:52 PM  

vodka: People are so stupid. This animal will be killed whether by this man or game control. This particular rhino is old and farking evil, it's killing all the younger rhinos. The auction brings in a shiat-ton of money that will be used to protect the other rhinos and it's something that is going to be done anyway.


This. The hunter gets to cough up a lot of dough, the park gets money they need, and the herd as a whole benefits from the removal of a nonbreeding male that prevents the females from being bred by the younger males. Considering the slow reproductive cycle of rhinos as a whole, this does much good for the species.

But yes, hunting is bad, mmmkay.
 
2014-01-19 09:40:04 PM  
Am I on crazy pills, or didn't it come out that the game wardens were going to have to shoot this rhino anyway because he was non-breeding and hurting the other rhinos?
 
2014-01-19 09:40:41 PM  
I want to be intimately involved with a black rhino.

I'm guessing his relationships with humans haven't worked out so well, either?
Let's get intimate, Bob.
Blam!
 
2014-01-19 09:41:01 PM  
This issue isn't so black and white.

The rhino is sterile, but will keep competing with other males for the right to mate females. Thus, it can actually interfere with herd reproduction and attempts to grow the herd's size.

So, ironically, it has to be put down for the sake of species conservation. One option is to auction off a hunting permit just for that rhino and use those proceeds to further help conservation efforts.

Here's an excellent take on the issue by somebody who is generally anti-gun and anti-hunting. It's an ugly solution, but there aren't many pretty ones to begin with.

http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2014/01/13/killing-the-namibian-bl ac k-rhino-for-350000/
 
2014-01-19 09:41:08 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: Black Rhinos are endangered, douchebags aren't.


When the nuclear apocalypse comes, only roaches, Cher, fruitcake, and douchebags will endure.
 
2014-01-19 09:41:31 PM  
Kind of a nice trollbait.  Somewhat expensive, but if you can pop off with a jerkoff comment here and there you can be suing people for years.
 
2014-01-19 09:41:34 PM  
Maybe they should hold a lottery for a permit to hunt him.
 
2014-01-19 09:42:04 PM  
I'm torn between 'cry me a farking river', 'o the irony', and 'here's the world's smallest violin -> .' - can you help me?
 
2014-01-19 09:42:18 PM  
I hunt the wild and endangered white-tailed deer. Contrary to what Hollywood would have you believe, they do shoot back. In fact, if they got the chance, they'd eat you and everyone you care about.

I'm an hero.
 
2014-01-19 09:42:24 PM  
In all honesty, if the animal is of an endangered species and not of a breeding stock, it probably should be killed.  And if you can raise money by killing it, all the better.

If it's not breeding, then all it is doing is taking up resources which could be applied to keeping the breeding stock alive.
 
2014-01-19 09:43:09 PM  

vodka: People are so stupid. This animal will be killed whether by this man or game control. This particular rhino is old and farking evil, it's killing all the younger rhinos. The auction brings in a shiat-ton of money that will be used to protect the other rhinos and it's something that is going to be done anyway.


You are never going to convinve the uneducated dolts that don't understand actual science...you will always lose to the loud, greasy wheels that spout inane pseudo-science.
 
2014-01-19 09:43:30 PM  

DamnYankees: Kit Fister: I came here to point out that this hunt was of an animal well past it's breeding years that is aggressive and prevents younger males from breeding, thus stymying the growth of the population, and thus actually a hindrance to maintaining a healthy population. Also I was going to point out that the government of Nairobi has one of the best conservation programs in the world and that they use the money from this hunt to further the program to preserve the species as a whole. Finally I was going to point out that this animal would be killed either way, in order to preserve the herd, and making money off of it to continue the program was a side benefit.

Glad to see it was already mentioned.

There are those of us who understand that, but still find it generally loathsome to be the kind of person who kills things for sport. Just that fact alone is pretty much enough to earn the scorn (rightful scorn, IMO) of a lot of people.


Well loath and scorn me away, my good man. I gladly hunt animals that are in my area for fun while also gaining food, serving to maintain the population balance, remove animals that are destructive and invasive (wild pigs are a huge example, as are coyotes that go after livestock), and to support a healthy ecosystem.

I enjoy hunting. It is a sport. But it is a sport undertaken that feeds me and mine and also serves to preserve natural balance.
 
2014-01-19 09:44:16 PM  
I'm just looking for an analog from the height of the Roman empire and I can't find one. Not one. Who the heck is this guy to draw my attention from Tacitus?
 
2014-01-19 09:44:17 PM  

Fuggin Bizzy: I hunt the wild and endangered white-tailed deer. Contrary to what Hollywood would have you believe, they do shoot back. In fact, if they got the chance, they'd eat you and everyone you care about.

I'm an hero.


Beware the claymore equipped deer....
 
2014-01-19 09:44:28 PM  

Secret Agent X23: I want to be intimately involved with a black rhino.

TMI, dude.



You have a dirty mind. He just means like Ace Ventura:
www.tryredemption.com
 
2014-01-19 09:44:44 PM  
Apex predators gonna predate.
 
2014-01-19 09:44:58 PM  
I'm a white rhino, so I don't have to worry about this guy getting intimate with me.
 
2014-01-19 09:45:33 PM  

Kit Fister: Well loath and scorn me away, my good man. I gladly hunt animals that are in my area for fun while also gaining food, serving to maintain the population balance, remove animals that are destructive and invasive (wild pigs are a huge example, as are coyotes that go after livestock), and to support a healthy ecosystem.

I enjoy hunting. It is a sport. But it is a sport undertaken that feeds me and mine and also serves to preserve natural balance.


You can say "hunting is a sport" as much as you want, it doesn't make it so. It's killing things which are trying to not get killed.

"Fun for you" != sport
 
2014-01-19 09:45:34 PM  

Kit Fister: But yes, hunting is bad, mmmkay.


Hunting is okay if you're doing it for the right reasons - food, population control, tradition...

Those reasons are not including bragging rights and a horn to mount on your wall.
 
2014-01-19 09:45:40 PM  
Relax dudes, it's not like he's a retired TV preacher or something.
 
2014-01-19 09:46:43 PM  

hardinparamedic: Hunting is okay if you're doing it for the right reasons - food, population control, tradition...


How is "tradition" a right reason?
 
2014-01-19 09:47:07 PM  

doglover: ecmoRandomNumbers: doglover: He's a hunter. fark him. He knows how the game works.

You're sitting at home, peacefully eating lunch with your family when BLAM a bullet rips out your lungs. You gasp uselessly as blood froths out of mouth and collapse. The last thing you see in your tunnel vision is your wife and children covered in your blood as you fall to the floor. A man in an orange vest kicks in your door and starts to decapitate you, because all he wanted was your head on his wall, but while your family is running away he takes a nice long look at your son and says "Soon, I'm coming back for him!"

Jesus.

Animals are conscious beings. Just because they're tasty and you're ignorant doesn't mean that they're some kind of meat robot. They've each got moods, personalities, memories. Even hive insects of exceedingly uniform nature, like ants, have some variations and learn by experience.

So, they do indeed have a valid perspective of what hunting is like from their end. The only hunters I respect in the day of industrial slaughter houses and high powered rifles are sniper scouts, or "hunters of gunmen" as they dub themselves.

Anyone else is cheating because animals can't shoot back.


It's a brutal reality, but we are meat eaters, and we kill conscious animals for food, every single day.
 
2014-01-19 09:47:28 PM  
The hunter becomes the hunted. mlol*.

*muahahaha
 
2014-01-19 09:47:30 PM  
Wait a minute... I figured it out! They're just creating jobs! But who gets the credit: the GOP hunter/enablers, or the Dem hippies threatening him? Hmmm... It's a puzzle.
 
2014-01-19 09:48:37 PM  
Meh. I seem to be the only one that thinks managed hunting for exorbitant fees is a good way to get assholes to pay for conservation.  The alternative is likely no money, no park/reserve and instead of a "X" many dying per year the whole lot is lost to uncontrolled poaching.

The alternative is there is no money to protect them and they all die.


Of course, all those PETA-philes could get together and throw a few bob in each and buy up the hunting rights each year and then none have to die. But then, I guess there is no naked attention whoring in that so that would never float.
 
2014-01-19 09:49:17 PM  

zzrhardy: I seem to be the only one that thinks managed hunting for exorbitant fees is a good way to get assholes to pay for conservation.  The alternative is likely no money, no park/reserve and instead of a "X" many dying per year the whole lot is lost to uncontrolled poaching.

The alternative is there is no money to protect them and they all die.


The alternative is that this guy could have just donated the money.
 
2014-01-19 09:49:25 PM  

DamnYankees: How is "tradition" a right reason?


See Native Americans and tribal cultures.
 
2014-01-19 09:49:49 PM  

doglover: He's a hunter. fark him. He knows how the game works.

You're sitting at home, peacefully eating lunch with your family when BLAM a bullet rips out your lungs. You gasp uselessly as blood froths out of mouth and collapse. The last thing you see in your tunnel vision is your wife and children covered in your blood as you fall to the floor. A man in an orange vest kicks in your door and starts to decapitate you, because all he wanted was your head on his wall, but while your family is running away he takes a nice long look at your son and says "Soon, I'm coming back for him!"


Decaf dude.


/hunter
//dont do "trophies" though...wastes too much meat.
 
2014-01-19 09:50:35 PM  

hardinparamedic: DamnYankees: How is "tradition" a right reason?

See Native Americans and tribal cultures.


Ok - how is "tradition" a right reason? I don't care if you're European or Indian, its not a good reason.

Also, most Indians would laugh in your face if you said the reason they hunted was tradition - Indians hunted for food and fur and useful reasons.
 
2014-01-19 09:50:56 PM  

bojon: Rhinos don't live forever folks. After they reach a certain age they do not procreate. $350K dedicated to saving the rest of the gene pool versus $0K if the animal just keels over and dies.


Remember that Boomers. Read the ACA REAL close.
 
2014-01-19 09:51:10 PM  

vodka: People are so stupid. This animal will be killed whether by this man or game control. This particular rhino is old and farking evil, it's killing all the younger rhinos. The auction brings in a shiat-ton of money that will be used to protect the other rhinos and it's something that is going to be done anyway.


And dying by being shot is probably a cleaner way for it to go than being eaten alive by lions or something when it's too old and infirm to run anymore.
 
2014-01-19 09:51:59 PM  
What a crybaby. Oooh, you got death threats on the Internet. That doesn't mean you're actually in danger, you puscatore, it just means 12-year-olds have access to Twitter.
 
2014-01-19 09:52:04 PM  

DamnYankees: zzrhardy: I seem to be the only one that thinks managed hunting for exorbitant fees is a good way to get assholes to pay for conservation.  The alternative is likely no money, no park/reserve and instead of a "X" many dying per year the whole lot is lost to uncontrolled poaching.

The alternative is there is no money to protect them and they all die.

The alternative is that this guy could have just donated the money.


He's an asshole. He's not going to donate money to an environmental cause. And the liberal whiners are serving fries and can't afford to donate money.
 
2014-01-19 09:52:08 PM  

DamnYankees: Also, most Indians would laugh in your face if you said the reason they hunted was tradition - Indians hunted for food and fur and useful reasons.


Most Indians would also punch you in the face if you called them an Indian too.
 
2014-01-19 09:52:08 PM  
so this rhino is a old man kicking the shiate out of the teenager rhinos.  until one of those young punks kick that old bastards in the nads let him live.
 
2014-01-19 09:52:29 PM  

RogermcAllen: Am I on crazy pills, or didn't it come out that the game wardens were going to have to shoot this rhino anyway because he was non-breeding and hurting the other rhinos?


Yep. But that doesn't stop people who can't get past the killing part. To some, the taking of a life with no remorse is a heinous thing. I get that. But in understanding that our natural world thrives on both life and death, and the balance between the two, there is no shame in hunting or playing the role of a predator. The problem is predation with no natural counterbalance, which is why predation checked by laws and conservation efforts is key.

Whether you enjoy the hunting sport or not, consider that humanity dominates the eco systems of the planet, and we have overrun countless natural habitats, disrupted many natural cycles and controls, and otherwise done a great job at throwing a monkey wrench into the works that kept the whole damn system running and everything in its place.

We also went so far as to extend our hubris and expectation of the infinite green world to excess. We've come a long way in learning how to better balance ourselves against the natural world. But that also means we still have a duty to act as predators, even more so with our destruction of other apex predators through habitat destruction, hunting, and dislocation.

Enjoying the act of hunting as a sport to many/most isn't about the killing, but the act of testing yourself against nature. There are many aspects to enjoy that has nothing to do with the killing. The killing is about the gaining of resources or acting as population control. And given how tasty most of the animals (save for feral pig and coyote) are, you're dumb if you don't eat what you kill.

But that's just me.
 
2014-01-19 09:53:36 PM  

hardinparamedic: DamnYankees: Also, most Indians would laugh in your face if you said the reason they hunted was tradition - Indians hunted for food and fur and useful reasons.

Most Indians would also punch you in the face if you called them an Indian too.


No they wouldn't. Have you ever met an Indian? The ones I've met (and my father is an adopted member of the Oglala Sioux) call themselves Indians and think the other names are stupid.

I'm sure some Indians don't like the term, and if I meet one who doesn't like it I won't use it, but I've never met an Indian who was offended by it.

Generally though, they prefer to be called by their actual tribe name.
 
2014-01-19 09:53:36 PM  

quatchi: Christ, what an asshole.


Stop picking on doglover
 
2014-01-19 09:53:52 PM  
Good.
 
2014-01-19 09:55:25 PM  

DamnYankees: zzrhardy: I seem to be the only one that thinks managed hunting for exorbitant fees is a good way to get assholes to pay for conservation.  The alternative is likely no money, no park/reserve and instead of a "X" many dying per year the whole lot is lost to uncontrolled poaching.

The alternative is there is no money to protect them and they all die.

The alternative is that this guy could have just donated the money.


And the rhino would still be killed. There is no scenario here where the rhino was going to live.
 
2014-01-19 09:55:32 PM  

DamnYankees: No they wouldn't. Have you ever met an Indian? The ones I've met (and my father is an adopted member of the Oglala Sioux) call themselves Indians and think the other names are stupid.

I'm sure some Indians don't like the term, and if I meet one who doesn't like it I won't use it, but I've never met an Indian who was offended by it.

Generally though, they prefer to be called by their actual tribe name.


Indian:

wanderlustandlipstick.com

Native American:

Seriously. Don't be that guy. You might as well say "My black friends say it's cool if I say the N word"
 
2014-01-19 09:56:24 PM  
Ahem:

people.ucls.uchicago.edu

Native American.

Preview is your best friend.
 
2014-01-19 10:01:19 PM  
I don't really mind the idea of auctioning off the right to kill this rhino but I think he should have to do it with a knife instead of a gun.
 
2014-01-19 10:28:58 PM  

hardinparamedic: Ahem:



Native American.

Preview is your best friend.


It's not worth it dude. He's convinced that there is no good reason for hunting. No amount of argument will change his mind.

It's easy to think that, too, when you don't live face to face with it. "Oh I buy my meat at the store." So you prefer an animal be birthed and raised in captivity, in the worst conditions legally allowable, pumped full of meds and chems, and artificially enhanced until ripe for slaughter. You also prefer some guy to sit there day in and day out punching the ticket of the animals in question, then having it butchered and washed in more artificial chems before being delivered to your supermarket.

We get it.

I prefer to go out, endure nature, and kill an animal that has lead a free and full life in its natural habitat, and give thanks to the animal for what it provided me while also knowing that by removing the oldest and weakest animals, I provide for the future of his clan, leaving behind the healthiest animals and plenty of resources for them to eat.

Gussy it up however you like, but the killing and butchering isn't the enjoyable part, it's just the job that comes with providing meat for my family. The experience of being out in nature and testing my patience and skill at hiding myself from an animal that can smell and sense me long before I knew it was there is the sport. Camera or gun, getting to where I can make the shot is the sport, the outcome, be they pics or meat, is just the outcome of success.
 
2014-01-19 10:30:37 PM  
I'd bet you could go to Africa an arrange to shoot a black rhino for a lot less than 350k. Dude is definitely an attention whore.
 
2014-01-19 10:34:04 PM  

DamnYankees: You killed an endangered animal for fun. You're a piece of shiat. How do you expect to be treated?

/death threats still not apporpriate


Hasn't killed it yet.
He personally donated $350,000 to Rhino conservation, how much have you donated?
Given that his name was leaked, likely with the intent of causing him mental anguish because someone who had access to his name didn't agree with the action - I'd bet that he didn't expect to be treated like anything.

Our society is sick in the sense that anything contrary to our views becomes the Devil Incarnate and must be stopped at all costs.

Also, I'm fairly certain that SSCS has proven time and time again that declaring 'Animals lives are more sacred than our own' is nothing more than a feel-good statement because everyone always clamors for human preservation when push comes to shove.

"WE WOULD ALL GLADLY GIVE OUR LIVES IF IT MEANS ONE MORE WHALE SURVIVES"
"Captain, we either have to go get our stranded crew, or continue harassing the Japanese Whaling Fleet!"
"GOOD GOD MAN, WE HAVE TO GO RESCUE OUR CREW."
 
2014-01-19 10:36:33 PM  

hardinparamedic: DamnYankees: Also, most Indians would laugh in your face if you said the reason they hunted was tradition - Indians hunted for food and fur and useful reasons.

Most Indians would also punch you in the face if you called them an Indian too.


Do you see a feather sticking out of my hat my friend? No you do not!


Yeah, don't really see them getting their loincloths in a knot over it.
 
2014-01-19 10:36:43 PM  
Pussy

i41.tinypic.com
 
2014-01-19 10:39:54 PM  

optikeye: From what I understand this individual is an asshole and probably past his reproductive prime and endangers others in the community and unsuited to live in peace with others.

Not so sure about the Rhino tho.


Excellent.
 
2014-01-19 10:40:21 PM  
Ass.
 
2014-01-19 10:40:28 PM  
My violin became so tiny that it formed into a tiny spacial anomaly.
 
2014-01-19 10:40:32 PM  

bojon: Rhinos don't live forever folks. After they reach a certain age they do not procreate. $350K dedicated to saving the rest of the gene pool versus $0K if the animal just keels over and dies.


I think the issue is he is just paying to shoot the thing. He isn't really hunting it. Basically what will happen is guides will point at one and say "Shoot that one" and douchebag pulls the trigger. Then, he gets to tell all of his douchebag friends about his African hunting adventure - which in reality was just driving out in a Land Rover to where some Rhinos are standing around.
 
2014-01-19 10:40:40 PM  

mjjt: Pussy

[i41.tinypic.com image 500x515]


I hope he took it from a handmade tree perch with a recurve, because anything else would've been cheap.
 
2014-01-19 10:41:49 PM  

ReverendJynxed: hardinparamedic: DamnYankees: Also, most Indians would laugh in your face if you said the reason they hunted was tradition - Indians hunted for food and fur and useful reasons.

Most Indians would also punch you in the face if you called them an Indian too.

Do you see a feather sticking out of my hat my friend? No you do not!


Yeah, don't really see them getting their loincloths in a knot over it.


Hell no cuz they remember what happened last time!
 
2014-01-19 10:45:51 PM  
funnycatwallpapers.com
 
2014-01-19 10:46:45 PM  
Guy who wants to kill a black rhino doesn't have the capability to kill anyone going after his family?

Or does Texas not have "Stand Your Ground"?

/drink!
 
2014-01-19 10:50:19 PM  

bojon: Rhinos don't live forever folks. After they reach a certain age they do not procreate. $350K dedicated to saving the rest of the gene pool versus $0K if the animal just keels over and dies.


THIS!

quit letting your emotion over ride logic.  Also the  meat will be used by the  locals as a nice protein bonus.

This has also been done with elephants as a way to raise funds to preserve them.


Also a serious question for all of you whiners; WTF didn't you and your bunny hugging friends pool your money and bid on this?  I't not like SCI chapters have never done  auctions like this before.
 
2014-01-19 10:51:10 PM  
It should be e pretty epic hunt. I wonder if they're going to go for the maximum challenge of letting it roam freely in its pen, or if they'll play it safe and stake it to one spot.
 
2014-01-19 10:51:20 PM  
ZAZ: His name was posted on Facebook and then picked up by websites that publicized his involvement in the auction.

Cross out "black rhino" and write in "4chan" on the permit.  See if the cops notice
  care.

Open season, no bag limit. Would probably raise the collective IQ and lower the cheeto and mountain dew sales in one month
 
2014-01-19 10:51:36 PM  
 I thought he liked this game?
Or is it getting too dangerous for him?
 
2014-01-19 10:52:22 PM  

doglover: He's a hunter. fark him. He knows how the game works.

You're sitting at home, peacefully eating lunch with your family when BLAM a bullet rips out your lungs. You gasp uselessly as blood froths out of mouth and collapse. The last thing you see in your tunnel vision is your wife and children covered in your blood as you fall to the floor. A man in an orange vest kicks in your door and starts to decapitate you, because all he wanted was your head on his wall, but while your family is running away he takes a nice long look at your son and says "Soon, I'm coming back for him!"


A bit of a My Cousin Vinny vibe to the nth coming across here. . .
 
2014-01-19 10:52:56 PM  

vodka: People are so stupid. This animal will be killed whether by this man or game control. This particular rhino is old and farking evil, it's killing all the younger rhinos. The auction brings in a shiat-ton of money that will be used to protect the other rhinos and it's something that is going to be done anyway.


Exactly. People don't understand how Africa works. Game wardens are the only thing that stand in between poachers and the endangered animals and unfortunately many of these wardens have lost their jobs due to hunting bans. Without game wardens, poachers can operate freely. And poachers are the real enemy.
 
2014-01-19 10:53:06 PM  
If you enjoy reading about asswipes that hunt black rhinos getting their just desserts try Sick Puppy by Carl Hiaasen.
 
2014-01-19 10:53:20 PM  

JK8Fan: bojon: Rhinos don't live forever folks. After they reach a certain age they do not procreate. $350K dedicated to saving the rest of the gene pool versus $0K if the animal just keels over and dies.

I think the issue is he is just paying to shoot the thing. He isn't really hunting it. Basically what will happen is guides will point at one and say "Shoot that one" and douchebag pulls the trigger. Then, he gets to tell all of his douchebag friends about his African hunting adventure - which in reality was just driving out in a Land Rover to where some Rhinos are standing around.


Meh look at it this way, jackoff is paying 350 K to do what they would have to pay someone to do soon (at least according to TFA) since the rhino in question is turning aggressive.
 
2014-01-19 10:53:36 PM  

JK8Fan: bojon: Rhinos don't live forever folks. After they reach a certain age they do not procreate. $350K dedicated to saving the rest of the gene pool versus $0K if the animal just keels over and dies.

I think the issue is he is just paying to shoot the thing. He isn't really hunting it. Basically what will happen is guides will point at one and say "Shoot that one" and douchebag pulls the trigger. Then, he gets to tell all of his douchebag friends about his African hunting adventure - which in reality was just driving out in a Land Rover to where some Rhinos are standing around.


Maybe if they went a more humane route with tranqs followed by a lethal injection? Perhaps stick it on an ice floe? I say give him a spear a knife and a general direction of the critter and let nature take it's course.

It seems like a lot of people are humanizing this. After all, old people put out to pasture aren't expecting to be blindsided by ordinance and they expected to be treated and provided for as well as protected animals. If this could happen to something as majestic as the rhino, what chance does cantankerous granny Charlotte stand?
 
2014-01-19 10:54:20 PM  

oldernell: Probably fishes with dynamite.


Purists still use calcium carbide in wine bottles, for the fishes it's a...
(lowers sunglasses)...
...Mal de Merlot
 
2014-01-19 10:55:37 PM  

sno man: Hoban Washburne: doglover: So, they do indeed have a valid perspective of what hunting is like from their end. The only hunters I respect in the day of industrial slaughter houses and high powered rifles are sniper scouts, or "hunters of gunmen" as they dub themselves.

As someone who eats meat, I'm perfectly fine with "ethical hunting."  That is, hunting overpopulated (or at least not underpopulated) animals that would otherwise starve and eating and/or donating the meat.  A deer that gets killed in the wild has a much better life than a cow in a factory farm.  There is not really a "good death" in nature.  Animals usually die of starvation or getting eaten by other animals.  Being put down by a skilled hunter is probably one of the cleaner deaths possible for wild animals.  True fair chase deer stalking is actually very difficult and physically taxing.

The rhino is endangered and I seriously doubt this guy is planning to eat it, or that it will be a fair chase scenario.  I imagine he'll be driven by a guide in one of those safari jeeps, get relatively close, the rhino will be like "Ehh, whatever" because he's used to people in jeeps, and the guy will just shoot him.  That's a farking shiatty, cowardly thing to do.

You may personally be opposed to all types of hunting, but let's at least separate the reasonable from the ridiculous.

And as bojon pointed out this is a very specific hunt of a small number of post procreating animals with the proceeds of the lottery going to preservation efforts of the herd. I'm putting this on the reasonable side of that equation.


Nope. This is all about how hunters are evil and have 'micropenises' and shiat. Don't you dare inject logic or rationality into this.  WHY DO YOU HATE UNINFORMED HATRED??
 
2014-01-19 10:56:07 PM  
I don't have any respect for trophy-hunting, but then again, these conservation efforts, these regulated, state-sanctioned conservation efforts involving the auctioning off of limited hunting permits as a requisite of effective wildlife management, that I do respect.

The people who think it's OK to with death upon someone for supporting wildlife conservation and performing a necessary culling (even critically endangered species have to have their populations managed, otherwise the whole group is at risk) are far, far more despicable than a hunter.

/they have to kill some animals, it's inevitable, this way they get money that supports conservation and the local economy, which helps keep unregulated poachers away
 
2014-01-19 10:56:28 PM  
We should look to the white, liberal, entitled 20 year old children who make up fark - you know, the ones who don't pay taxes, to answer this question.

Sent with my Ipad
 
2014-01-19 10:58:46 PM  
Robotic Rhino-real dolls. Just sayin'
 
2014-01-19 10:59:57 PM  
d202m5krfqbpi5.cloudfront.net
 
2014-01-19 11:00:28 PM  
Wow... fark has gone quite rabid and is showing its true lefty colors here almost unanimously...  As a Texan I fully support this hunt, and this mans right to help this endangered species and related conservation efforts while experiencing the thrill of a lifetime.   everyone that is outraged can just go choke on a bag of dicks as far as I care...
 
2014-01-19 11:00:45 PM  

serial_crusher: Meh, the younger rhinos get the protection they need.  The conservationists get a ton of money to further conservation efforts.  The rich asshole gets an opportunity to be a rich asshole.

Sounds to me like everybody wins.


Or he could, you know, stop being an asshole for 20 minutes and write the conservationists a $350K check.
 
2014-01-19 11:02:36 PM  
"They're wanting to kill me," he said. "They're wanting to kill my children. They're wanting to skin us alive."

Huh, wow, how barbaric and alien.  A bunch of humans wanting to track you down, kill you and skin you.

And then the needle on his irony meter stabbed him in the eye.
 
2014-01-19 11:04:14 PM  

ReverendJynxed: bojon: Rhinos don't live forever folks. After they reach a certain age they do not procreate. $350K dedicated to saving the rest of the gene pool versus $0K if the animal just keels over and dies.

Remember that Boomers. Read the ACA REAL close.


Is your job to threadshiat and post anti-Obama crap in threads that isn't even remotely related to the topic?

It's bad enough that there are folks that pull this crap in the politics tab. This is just pathetic.
 
2014-01-19 11:05:46 PM  

Maul555: Wow... fark has gone quite rabid and is showing its true lefty colors here almost unanimously...  As a Texan I


Yep. It's a complete teenage liberal circlejerk now, the ones who are not on reddit. The adults have left, we're done. check back, but done.
 
2014-01-19 11:05:54 PM  

doglover: He's a hunter. fark him. He knows how the game works.

You're sitting at home, peacefully eating lunch with your family when BLAM a bullet rips out your lungs. You gasp uselessly as blood froths out of mouth and collapse. The last thing you see in your tunnel vision is your wife and children covered in your blood as you fall to the floor. A man in an orange vest kicks in your door and starts to decapitate you, because all he wanted was your head on his wall, but while your family is running away he takes a nice long look at your son and says "Soon, I'm coming back for him!"


Tru dat
 
2014-01-19 11:06:23 PM  

bojon: Rhinos don't live forever folks. After they reach a certain age they do not procreate. $350K dedicated to saving the rest of the gene pool versus $0K if the animal just keels over and dies.


This.  The hunt is to cull (kill, whatever word you want), lone males who have NO value to the survival of the species.  $350K to kill an animal who can not possibly preserve the species, to be spent to protect the animals which CAN preserve the species, is money well spent.

The permit is to kill a lone male with no chance to help his species any longer.  The money will be spent to protect the viable members of the species.  This isn't complicated.  If the anti-hunting idiots and Wayne Purcells would wake up and face reality, they'd understand that this is neutral at worst, and $350K positive in reality.
 
2014-01-19 11:08:37 PM  

acohn: serial_crusher: Meh, the younger rhinos get the protection they need.  The conservationists get a ton of money to further conservation efforts.  The rich asshole gets an opportunity to be a rich asshole.

Sounds to me like everybody wins.

Or he could, you know, stop being an asshole for 20 minutes and write the conservationists a $350K check.


Or you could, you know, stop being an asshole for 20 minutes and recognize that it doesn't matter if the individual in question will experience the death of the rhino first hand, the rhino will still die and the conservationists will still get their money.  if anything, the individual flying over to Namibia will create extra income for the tourism trade, whereas a game warden performing the task will provide no additional benefits.

If eco-terrorists can afford to buy and outfit multiple large sea vessels, respectable land-based preservation/conservation groups could've raised enough funds to outbid most interested parties and done whatever they pleased.

But they didn't, so they can kindly shut the fark up and stop being petty assholes.
 
2014-01-19 11:09:29 PM  

ladodger34: ReverendJynxed: bojon: Rhinos don't live forever folks. After they reach a certain age they do not procreate. $350K dedicated to saving the rest of the gene pool versus $0K if the animal just keels over and dies.

Remember that Boomers. Read the ACA REAL close.

Is your job to threadshiat and post anti-Obama crap in threads that isn't even remotely related to the topic?

It's bad enough that there are folks that pull this crap in the politics tab. This is just pathetic.


i.imgur.com
 
2014-01-19 11:09:31 PM  

Pribar: JK8Fan: bojon: Rhinos don't live forever folks. After they reach a certain age they do not procreate. $350K dedicated to saving the rest of the gene pool versus $0K if the animal just keels over and dies.

I think the issue is he is just paying to shoot the thing. He isn't really hunting it. Basically what will happen is guides will point at one and say "Shoot that one" and douchebag pulls the trigger. Then, he gets to tell all of his douchebag friends about his African hunting adventure - which in reality was just driving out in a Land Rover to where some Rhinos are standing around.

Meh look at it this way, jackoff is paying 350 K to do what they would have to pay someone to do soon (at least according to TFA) since the rhino in question is turning aggressive.


Yeah, well, there you go being realistic and pragmatic and stuff.  Way to read the article, man.  Nice going.  Didn't you get the memo?  We're supposed to rush to judgement based on not having facts or logic.  You must be new here.
 
2014-01-19 11:10:04 PM  

Cewley: How to you spell farking Asshole?


You ever wonder what keeps the funds going to most successful preserves?
 
2014-01-19 11:10:35 PM  

djh0101010: bojon: Rhinos don't live forever folks. After they reach a certain age they do not procreate. $350K dedicated to saving the rest of the gene pool versus $0K if the animal just keels over and dies.

This.  The hunt is to cull (kill, whatever word you want), lone males who have NO value to the survival of the species.  $350K to kill an animal who can not possibly preserve the species, to be spent to protect the animals which CAN preserve the species, is money well spent.

The permit is to kill a lone male with no chance to help his species any longer.  The money will be spent to protect the viable members of the species.  This isn't complicated.  If the anti-hunting idiots and Wayne Purcells would wake up and face reality, they'd understand that this is neutral at worst, and $350K positive in reality.


It's not even neutral, it's a net-positive.  This is an animal that's going to be killed anyway, and a rich guy is going to spend $350k to do it, not to mention whatever else he spends over there in resort fees, hiring local guids, airfare, travel expenses.
 
2014-01-19 11:11:45 PM  
What I learned from this thread:

Most people don't get the concept of herd management.
 
2014-01-19 11:12:46 PM  
I could be wrong but this seems like one of those situations where you win a 50/50 raffle for charity and your kinda expected to donate your winnings to the cause.  That being said, if the conservationists didn't want this fine black steed being chased down and slaughtered for nothing more than the right of some rich peckerwoods bragging rights, maybe they should have had a bake sale.
 
2014-01-19 11:12:56 PM  
There is no hunting like the hunting of man, and those who have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter.


- Ernest Hemingway
 
TSD [TotalFark]
2014-01-19 11:13:11 PM  

JK8Fan: bojon: Rhinos don't live forever folks. After they reach a certain age they do not procreate. $350K dedicated to saving the rest of the gene pool versus $0K if the animal just keels over and dies.

I think the issue is he is just paying to shoot the thing. He isn't really hunting it. Basically what will happen is guides will point at one and say "Shoot that one" and douchebag pulls the trigger. Then, he gets to tell all of his douchebag friends about his African hunting adventure - which in reality was just driving out in a Land Rover to where some Rhinos are standing around.


That country has been doing this for years and nobody batted an eye. And then a dude from Texas gets involved and everyone is from Save The farking Animals. Those folks know what they are doing to preserve the animals. Where is the protest line for next year?
 
2014-01-19 11:14:35 PM  

kim jong-un: In all honesty, if the animal is of an endangered species and not of a breeding stock, it probably should be killed.  And if you can raise money by killing it, all the better.

If it's not breeding, then all it is doing is taking up resources which could be applied to keeping the breeding stock alive.


Curious how your grandchildren will treat you when you are grumpy and past your breeding age. All the best to you.
 
2014-01-19 11:17:49 PM  
Fine... If someone wants to hunt an endangered rhino that is non-productive for the herd, that's fine... As long as he has to do it without a gun. Give him a spear and a knife, and send him out into the wild to actually HUNT like a real man, instead of being a pussy with a gun posted 200 yards from the animal.

If he can take down the rhino with a spear and knife, then he can call himself a hunter. Until then, he's just an asshole who paid to slaughter an animal for kicks.
 
2014-01-19 11:18:06 PM  
I was all prepared to get outraged, then I saw

"The club says the Namibian rhino in question is older, male and nonbreeding - and that the animal was likely to be targeted for removal anyway because it was becoming aggressive. "

and

"Knowlton said he believed the hunt would be managed well and that the money would go to save rhinos in the end.".


emotibot.net


Get back to your Disney-fueled bawfests you braindead bleeding heart slacktivists. At least the guy is culling the heard and gives money back and you're not helping.
 
2014-01-19 11:18:10 PM  
Since we're going to kill criminals by death penalty anyway, why not sell tickets to pull the switch?
 
2014-01-19 11:19:50 PM  
First off; turn down the troll filters for just a second, because I admit my next statement goes completely against common sense.

Dear Environmentalists: Guys like this are you greatest ally.

No, really. The plain fact is that the fees for hunting generally go right into conservation efforts. This guy is paying right into a Black Rhino Conservation fund - so he shoots one, and they get the resources to save 10. It's how most of the hunting works - weird as hell, but seriously, take a look at the money that comes in here.

Now, yes, it's not ideal that the main money for protecting the wildlife comes from people who are paying to shoot the wildlife. However, we have built this paradoxical system and it is working. Don't go crazy about it.
 
2014-01-19 11:20:09 PM  

Joe USer: What I learned from this thread:

Most people don't get the concept of herd management.


Because nature has no idea how to manage itself without human intervention. I mean, the world of animals only got by for milliions of years without humans "managing" the herds. It's a good thing we finally got off our asses and evolved so other species could benefit from our wisdom regarding who live and who dies, and how.
 
2014-01-19 11:21:35 PM  
What I would like to know is just exactly what portion of that $350K is acually going to help save rhinos. Now you can call me skeptical but I think a few rich white people sat down to figure out how to go kill a rhino and mount his head legally. Maybe 10 of em started this thing, each collecting $30K in "administrative" fees and the balance going to save the rhinos. I dunno but I think this sounds about right.
 
2014-01-19 11:21:55 PM  

LanceDearnis: First off; turn down the troll filters for just a second, because I admit my next statement goes completely against common sense.

Dear Environmentalists: Guys like this are you greatest ally.

No, really. The plain fact is that the fees for hunting generally go right into conservation efforts. This guy is paying right into a Black Rhino Conservation fund - so he shoots one, and they get the resources to save 10. It's how most of the hunting works - weird as hell, but seriously, take a look at the money that comes in here.

Now, yes, it's not ideal that the main money for protecting the wildlife comes from people who are paying to shoot the wildlife. However, we have built this paradoxical system and it is working. Don't go crazy about it.


We can object to the man without making comment on the system.

And the man isn't doing this to save the herd. He's doing it because he wants to "experience" the killing of a black rhino. I think we're free to talk shiat about a douchebag like that.
 
2014-01-19 11:22:58 PM  
E

ObliqueAsymptote: Curious how your grandchildren will treat you when you are grumpy and past your breeding age. All the best to you.


So what was your bid to save the animal?   The bidder was contributing to the longevity of the herd, what did you do besides stand on your high horse?  For no cost to you?
 
2014-01-19 11:22:59 PM  

TSD: JK8Fan: bojon: Rhinos don't live forever folks. After they reach a certain age they do not procreate. $350K dedicated to saving the rest of the gene pool versus $0K if the animal just keels over and dies.

I think the issue is he is just paying to shoot the thing. He isn't really hunting it. Basically what will happen is guides will point at one and say "Shoot that one" and douchebag pulls the trigger. Then, he gets to tell all of his douchebag friends about his African hunting adventure - which in reality was just driving out in a Land Rover to where some Rhinos are standing around.

That country has been doing this for years and nobody batted an eye. And then a dude from Texas gets involved and everyone is from Save The farking Animals. Those folks know what they are doing to preserve the animals. Where is the protest line for next year?


Because we as a country have decided that everything that happens anywhere ever is either an opportunity to play the game of identity politics or further the "culture wars."

And for all of you saying how cowardly it is to shoot big game (particularly dangerous game), you have no idea what you're talking about.  There's a reason why entry-level "big game" rifles cost as much as a nicely equipped new car, and why the ammunition runs $20-50 per round.  Hunting (or culling) big game is extraordinarily dangerous and only a small fraction of hunters have the resources and nerve to calmly line up a shot (often with iron sights on double-rifles, meaning they have two shots) on a (sometimes charging) animal, where they need to hit a window that might be no bigger than a grapefruit, otherwise they're farked.
 
2014-01-19 11:23:16 PM  

ZeroCorpse: LanceDearnis: First off; turn down the troll filters for just a second, because I admit my next statement goes completely against common sense.

Dear Environmentalists: Guys like this are you greatest ally.

No, really. The plain fact is that the fees for hunting generally go right into conservation efforts. This guy is paying right into a Black Rhino Conservation fund - so he shoots one, and they get the resources to save 10. It's how most of the hunting works - weird as hell, but seriously, take a look at the money that comes in here.

Now, yes, it's not ideal that the main money for protecting the wildlife comes from people who are paying to shoot the wildlife. However, we have built this paradoxical system and it is working. Don't go crazy about it.

We can object to the man without making comment on the system.

And the man isn't doing this to save the herd. He's doing it because he wants to "experience" the killing of a black rhino. I think we're free to talk shiat about a douchebag like that.


And I don't give a stripper the dollar to help her through medical school, but there ya go...
 
2014-01-19 11:23:29 PM  
He could have just lied and said he wanted to buy the license so no one could buy it and use it.
 
2014-01-19 11:24:24 PM  
so apparently the concept of "you don't hunt an endangered species" never once crossed his impersonation of a mind.
 
2014-01-19 11:24:26 PM  

ObliqueAsymptote: kim jong-un: In all honesty, if the animal is of an endangered species and not of a breeding stock, it probably should be killed.  And if you can raise money by killing it, all the better.

If it's not breeding, then all it is doing is taking up resources which could be applied to keeping the breeding stock alive.

Curious how your grandchildren will treat you when you are grumpy and past your breeding age. All the best to you.


news flash:  Animals are not equal to people.  Animals are property and are treated as such.  The rhino herd is a natural resource and must be maintained and preserved as like one...  Just like a farm couldn't possibly operate and keep any animals around and breeding if they didn't occasionally slaughter some and sell the meat and make a profit to use to raise the next generation of meat!
 
2014-01-19 11:25:11 PM  

joepainter: He could have just lied and said he wanted to buy the license so no one could buy it and use it.


But then he'd lose face with his gun club buddies.
 
2014-01-19 11:26:05 PM  
Came for the Sick Puppy reference, leaving satisfied.
 
2014-01-19 11:27:54 PM  

Joe USer: What I learned from this thread:

Most people don't get the concept of herd management.


I'm no expert in this field, but I'm pretty sure most of them have figured out that culling asshats is a pretty good way to manage the herd...
 
2014-01-19 11:28:47 PM  

Fark It: TSD: JK8Fan: bojon: Rhinos don't live forever folks. After they reach a certain age they do not procreate. $350K dedicated to saving the rest of the gene pool versus $0K if the animal just keels over and dies.

I think the issue is he is just paying to shoot the thing. He isn't really hunting it. Basically what will happen is guides will point at one and say "Shoot that one" and douchebag pulls the trigger. Then, he gets to tell all of his douchebag friends about his African hunting adventure - which in reality was just driving out in a Land Rover to where some Rhinos are standing around.

That country has been doing this for years and nobody batted an eye. And then a dude from Texas gets involved and everyone is from Save The farking Animals. Those folks know what they are doing to preserve the animals. Where is the protest line for next year?

Because we as a country have decided that everything that happens anywhere ever is either an opportunity to play the game of identity politics or further the "culture wars."

And for all of you saying how cowardly it is to shoot big game (particularly dangerous game), you have no idea what you're talking about.  There's a reason why entry-level "big game" rifles cost as much as a nicely equipped new car, and why the ammunition runs $20-50 per round.  Hunting (or culling) big game is extraordinarily dangerous and only a small fraction of hunters have the resources and nerve to calmly line up a shot (often with iron sights on double-rifles, meaning they have two shots) on a (sometimes charging) animal, where they need to hit a window that might be no bigger than a grapefruit, otherwise they're farked.


i.imgur.com

The reason is they're pussies.
 
2014-01-19 11:29:45 PM  
i56.tinypic.com
 
2014-01-19 11:29:47 PM  

LanceDearnis: First off; turn down the troll filters for just a second, because I admit my next statement goes completely against common sense.

Dear Environmentalists: Guys like this are you greatest ally.

No, really. The plain fact is that the fees for hunting generally go right into conservation efforts. This guy is paying right into a Black Rhino Conservation fund - so he shoots one, and they get the resources to save 10. It's how most of the hunting works - weird as hell, but seriously, take a look at the money that comes in here.

Now, yes, it's not ideal that the main money for protecting the wildlife comes from people who are paying to shoot the wildlife. However, we have built this paradoxical system and it is working. Don't go crazy about it.


One of the greatest conservationists in US history is Teddy Roosevelt, an active sports hunter.

www.antiquehelper.com

 
2014-01-19 11:30:25 PM  

Maul555: Wow... fark has gone quite rabid and is showing its true lefty colors here almost unanimously...  As a Texan I fully support this hunt, and this mans right to help this endangered species and related conservation efforts while experiencing the thrill of a lifetime.   everyone that is outraged can just go choke on a bag of dicks as far as I care...


Holy hell. I would bet about 70% of the posters in this thread are in various shades of agreement with you.
 
2014-01-19 11:30:35 PM  

pnkgtr: Came for the Sick Puppy reference, leaving satisfied.


Me too.
 
2014-01-19 11:30:36 PM  
claim someone on the street may not agree with your views, and you felt threatened, so had to deliver a pre emptive warning shot because you may feel threatened. (P)rick Perrys Texas.
 
2014-01-19 11:31:36 PM  
Suggestion for North Texas Man:

Pay $350K for the right to hunt the rhino. Hunt it but tranquillise it instead of killing it. Now pose with it, get "intimate" with it, whatever. Take the horn, put a tracking device and a  very visible "[Whomever]'s Rhino" on the rhino in some permanent fashion, and arrange with the park to get the remains when it dies.

You get to be badass intimately-involved hunter man, your silent partner gets the horn (call it an anti-poaching measure) and whatever other bits you end up with, maybe you recoup some costs, you fark with all the people who are calling for your head, and [Whomever] gets a PR firehose which they can point a couple of different ways depending who they are.

Or just kill it. But I think my way is more fun.
 
2014-01-19 11:31:40 PM  

Just_a_Bear: so apparently the concept of "you don't hunt an endangered species" never once crossed his impersonation of a mind.


Apparently the concept of "herd management" never once crossed your impersonation of a mind.

/how much have you contributed to conservation?
 
2014-01-19 11:34:12 PM  
He isn't poaching; he won the legal right to hunt.

The rhino in question is "older, male and nonbreeding" and "was likely to be targeted for removal anyway" due to increased aggression.

Whines about "wah! it's endangered!" fall on deaf ears when one is advocating murder.

I'm neither gun nut not hunting "enthusiast", but I am with this guy: those sending him death threats, or threats of any sort, can EaBoBRD.
 
2014-01-19 11:34:13 PM  

buckler: joepainter: He could have just lied and said he wanted to buy the license so no one could buy it and use it.

But then he'd lose face with his gun club buddies.


Please.  Get realistic.  The man runs a hunting/conservation group in Virginia.  He already bid anonymously for the permit to begin with; the only reason his name is out there is because it was leaked.  And if he had said that he wasn't planning to use it, given his own hunting group, do you think he'd be believed for even a second?

/this of course ignores the fact that Namibia would just issue another permit/kill the rhino themselves if nobody used the permit since the rhino was already marked to die for the good of the rest of the herd
 
2014-01-19 11:35:20 PM  

bojon: Rhinos don't live forever folks. After they reach a certain age they do not procreate. $350K dedicated to saving the rest of the gene pool versus $0K if the animal just keels over and dies.


Thank Christ someone else gets it... but facts be damned, Fark, proceed with your indignant rage.
 
2014-01-19 11:35:46 PM  

ObliqueAsymptote: kim jong-un: In all honesty, if the animal is of an endangered species and not of a breeding stock, it probably should be killed.  And if you can raise money by killing it, all the better.

If it's not breeding, then all it is doing is taking up resources which could be applied to keeping the breeding stock alive.

Curious how your grandchildren will treat you when you are grumpy and past your breeding age. All the best to you.


Ask Machine Gun Joe and Frankenstein.
 
2014-01-19 11:36:05 PM  

Fark It: Apparently the concept of "herd management" never once crossed your impersonation of a mind.


Yes, because until humans came around to sort out this problem, rhinos were going to the shiats...
 
2014-01-19 11:37:06 PM  

ultraholland: NewportBarGuy: I think he means to have sex with that large beast.

Bloodninja: Ok baby, we got to hurry, I don't know how long I can keep it ready for you.
j_gurli13: thats ok. ok i'm a japanese schoolgirl, what r u.
Bloodninja: A Rhinocerus. Well, hung like one, thats for sure.
j_gurli13: haha, ok lets go.
j_gurli13: i put my hand through ur hair, and kiss u on the neck.
Bloodninja: I stomp the ground, and snort, to alert you that you are in my breeding territory.
j_gurli13: haha, ok, u know that turns me on.
j_gurli13: i start unbuttoning ur shirt.
Bloodninja: Rhinoceruses don't wear shirts.
j_gurli13: No, ur not really a Rhinocerus silly, it's just part of the game.
Bloodninja: Rhinoceruses don't play games. They f**king charge your ass.
j_gurli13: stop, cmon be serious.
Bloodninja: It doesn't get any more serious than a Rhinocerus about to charge your ass.
Bloodninja: I stomp my feet, the dust stirs around my tough skinned feet.
j_gurli13: thats it.
Bloodninja: Nostrils flaring, I lower my head. My horn, like some phallic symbol of my potent virility, is the last thing you see as skulls collide and mine remains the victor. You are now a bloody red ragdoll suspended in the air on my mighty horn.
Bloodninja: F**k am I hard now.


Wow.

/tiptoes out of the thread
 
2014-01-19 11:37:28 PM  
So, he pays/donates a lump sum to help save these animals preservation....

And gets to kill ONE (un-producing male).


/I'mokwiththis.jpg
 
2014-01-19 11:39:17 PM  

ReverendJynxed: Fark It: TSD: JK8Fan: bojon: Rhinos don't live forever folks. After they reach a certain age they do not procreate. $350K dedicated to saving the rest of the gene pool versus $0K if the animal just keels over and dies.

I think the issue is he is just paying to shoot the thing. He isn't really hunting it. Basically what will happen is guides will point at one and say "Shoot that one" and douchebag pulls the trigger. Then, he gets to tell all of his douchebag friends about his African hunting adventure - which in reality was just driving out in a Land Rover to where some Rhinos are standing around.

That country has been doing this for years and nobody batted an eye. And then a dude from Texas gets involved and everyone is from Save The farking Animals. Those folks know what they are doing to preserve the animals. Where is the protest line for next year?

Because we as a country have decided that everything that happens anywhere ever is either an opportunity to play the game of identity politics or further the "culture wars."

And for all of you saying how cowardly it is to shoot big game (particularly dangerous game), you have no idea what you're talking about.  There's a reason why entry-level "big game" rifles cost as much as a nicely equipped new car, and why the ammunition runs $20-50 per round.  Hunting (or culling) big game is extraordinarily dangerous and only a small fraction of hunters have the resources and nerve to calmly line up a shot (often with iron sights on double-rifles, meaning they have two shots) on a (sometimes charging) animal, where they need to hit a window that might be no bigger than a grapefruit, otherwise they're farked.

[i.imgur.com image 450x361]

The reason is they're pussies.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bison_hunting#Prehistoric_and_native_hu nt ing

"Mann discussed the evidence that Native Americans not only created (by selective use of fire) the large grasslands that provided the bison's ideal habitat but also kept the bison population regulated. In this theory, it was only when the original human population was devastated by wave after wave of epidemic (from diseases of Europeans) after the 16th century that the bison herds propagated wildly. In such a view, the seas of bison herds that stretched to the horizon were a symptom of an ecology out of balance, only rendered possible by decades of heavier-than-average rainfall. "

"What is not disputed is that before the introduction of horses, bison were herded into large chutes made of rocks and willow branches and trapped in a corral called a Buffalo pound, and then slaughtered or stampeded over cliffs, called Buffalo jumps.Both pound and jump archaeological sites are found in several places in the U.S. and Canada. In the case of a jump, large groups of people would herd the bison for several miles, forcing them into a stampede that would ultimately drive many animals over a cliff. The large quantities of meat obtained in this way provided the hunters with surplus, which was used in trade."

"Later when Plains Indians obtained horses, it was found that a good horseman could easily lance or shoot enough bison to keep his tribe and family fed, as long as a herd was nearby."

The image you have in your head of a lone Native American charging up on horseback and hitting a bison with an arrow is a fiction created by 19th Century painters.  They used guns as soon as European settlers started trading them.
 
2014-01-19 11:40:03 PM  

spqr_ca: Yes, because until humans came around to sort out this problem, rhinos were going to the shiats...


It must shock you to learn that countless species have gone extinct for millions of years before assistance from mankind.
 
2014-01-19 11:40:52 PM  
Why is it ok to buy the opportunity to murder the animal when we cannot buy the chance to throw the switch of Ol' Sparky? Would it be unethical? Is that why we keep it to the official persons?

People are outraged because it leaves the realm of official duties and starts making headway into private hunts for those with the cash. If you really care about the herd, donate to the reserve and let them cull in an official capacity. Like an execution.

And with that, have a nice night all.
 
2014-01-19 11:40:56 PM  

ZeroCorpse: Joe USer: What I learned from this thread:

Most people don't get the concept of herd management.

Because nature has no idea how to manage itself without human intervention. I mean, the world of animals only got by for milliions of years without humans "managing" the herds. It's a good thing we finally got off our asses and evolved so other species could benefit from our wisdom regarding who live and who dies, and how.


"Sure these highly endangered animals are living in a tightly controlled environment where even the death of one reproductive member threatens the entire species and yeah, that old rhino is a threat to younger animals and would be culled anyone for their safety... but I think letting nature take it's course is for the best, all those silly conservation efforts is practically rape. ANIMAL RAPE"
 
2014-01-19 11:41:24 PM  

NEDM: buckler: joepainter: He could have just lied and said he wanted to buy the license so no one could buy it and use it.

But then he'd lose face with his gun club buddies.

Please.  Get realistic.  The man runs a hunting/conservation group in Virginia.  He already bid anonymously for the permit to begin with; the only reason his name is out there is because it was leaked.  And if he had said that he wasn't planning to use it, given his own hunting group, do you think he'd be believed for even a second?

/this of course ignores the fact that Namibia would just issue another permit/kill the rhino themselves if nobody used the permit since the rhino was already marked to die for the good of the rest of the herd


//DNRTFA or research who the guy is
 
2014-01-19 11:41:55 PM  
he won last week's Dallas Safari Club auction to hunt a black rhino in the African nation of Namibia. The club says the permit was auctioned to raise money for efforts to protect and conserve the species.

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2014-01-19 11:42:25 PM  

spqr_ca: Fark It: Apparently the concept of "herd management" never once crossed your impersonation of a mind.

Yes, because until humans came around to sort out this problem, rhinos were going to the shiats...


Well, technically speaking, until man proliferated and began destroying natural habitat and upsetting natural ecosystems causing the balance of predator and prey to be thrown off, and proved to be a prolific predator himself, they were doing great.

But we farked up the balance and now have to fight to save these species of animals, which includes herd management.

Here's a hint: humans are predators. We kill other animals. Have for thousands of years, and are part of that whole natural ecosystem thing. This includes killing animals to maintain the health of the herd. We just also inject a natural constraint on it to keep the balance.

Humans are not apart from nature.
 
2014-01-19 11:42:29 PM  

Fark It: ReverendJynxed: Fark It: TSD: JK8Fan: bojon: Rhinos don't live forever folks. After they reach a certain age they do not procreate. $350K dedicated to saving the rest of the gene pool versus $0K if the animal just keels over and dies.

I think the issue is he is just paying to shoot the thing. He isn't really hunting it. Basically what will happen is guides will point at one and say "Shoot that one" and douchebag pulls the trigger. Then, he gets to tell all of his douchebag friends about his African hunting adventure - which in reality was just driving out in a Land Rover to where some Rhinos are standing around.

That country has been doing this for years and nobody batted an eye. And then a dude from Texas gets involved and everyone is from Save The farking Animals. Those folks know what they are doing to preserve the animals. Where is the protest line for next year?

Because we as a country have decided that everything that happens anywhere ever is either an opportunity to play the game of identity politics or further the "culture wars."

And for all of you saying how cowardly it is to shoot big game (particularly dangerous game), you have no idea what you're talking about.  There's a reason why entry-level "big game" rifles cost as much as a nicely equipped new car, and why the ammunition runs $20-50 per round.  Hunting (or culling) big game is extraordinarily dangerous and only a small fraction of hunters have the resources and nerve to calmly line up a shot (often with iron sights on double-rifles, meaning they have two shots) on a (sometimes charging) animal, where they need to hit a window that might be no bigger than a grapefruit, otherwise they're farked.

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The reason is they're pussies.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bison_hunting#Prehistoric_and_native_hu nt ing

"Mann discussed the evidence that Native Americans not only created (by selective use of fire) the large grasslands that provided the bison's ideal habitat but also ke ...


It was the first image I grabbed. I could have done the riders with spears but I didn't think you needed it to get the point. Big game has been hunted without firearms for a long, long, long, long time. I was mistaken.

/Now I'm out
 
2014-01-19 11:43:05 PM  

ReverendJynxed: Why is it ok to buy the opportunity to murder the animal when we cannot buy the chance to throw the switch of Ol' Sparky? Would it be unethical? Is that why we keep it to the official persons?

People are outraged because it leaves the realm of official duties and starts making headway into private hunts for those with the cash. If you really care about the herd, donate to the reserve and let them cull in an official capacity. Like an execution.

And with that, have a nice night all.


The cull is being done in an official capacity, under the supervision of game wardens.

If you care about the herd then pony up some cabbage instead of whining about your feelings on the internet.
 
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2014-01-19 11:43:54 PM  
Kit Fister:

I came here to point out that this hunt was of an animal well past it's breeding years that is aggressive and prevents younger males from breeding, thus stymying the growth of the population, and thus actually a hindrance to maintaining a healthy population. Also I was going to point out that the government of Nairobi has one of the best conservation programs in the world and that they use the money from this hunt to further the program to preserve the species as a whole. Finally I was going to point out that this animal would be killed either way, in order to preserve the herd, and making money off of it to continue the program was a side benefit.

Glad to see it was already mentioned.


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2014-01-19 11:44:03 PM  

GoldSpider: spqr_ca: Yes, because until humans came around to sort out this problem, rhinos were going to the shiats...

It must shock you to learn that countless species have gone extinct for millions of years before assistance from mankind.


It must shock you to learn that it usually wasn't a consequence of old age.
 
2014-01-19 11:45:34 PM  
Well if they plan to eat him...
 
2014-01-19 11:46:28 PM  
I don't like hunting but I'm not gonna donate $350,000 to the cause, so he's doing a lot more good than I would.
 
2014-01-19 11:47:07 PM  

doglover: ecmoRandomNumbers: doglover: He's a hunter. fark him. He knows how the game works.

You're sitting at home, peacefully eating lunch with your family when BLAM a bullet rips out your lungs. You gasp uselessly as blood froths out of mouth and collapse. The last thing you see in your tunnel vision is your wife and children covered in your blood as you fall to the floor. A man in an orange vest kicks in your door and starts to decapitate you, because all he wanted was your head on his wall, but while your family is running away he takes a nice long look at your son and says "Soon, I'm coming back for him!"

Jesus.

Animals are conscious beings. Just because they're tasty and you're ignorant doesn't mean that they're some kind of meat robot. They've each got moods, personalities, memories. Even hive insects of exceedingly uniform nature, like ants, have some variations and learn by experience.

So, they do indeed have a valid perspective of what hunting is like from their end. The only hunters I respect in the day of industrial slaughter houses and high powered rifles are sniper scouts, or "hunters of gunmen" as they dub themselves.

Anyone else is cheating because animals can't shoot back.


So you're a vagitarian?
 
2014-01-19 11:47:27 PM  

spqr_ca: It must shock you to learn that it usually wasn't a consequence of old age.


Are you posting under the impression that species populations were static until humans started hunting them?  Because that's what it sounds like you're saying.
 
2014-01-19 11:47:52 PM  

Kit Fister: But we farked up the balance and now have to fight to save these species of animals, which includes herd management.


I, I actually agree, having once been a hunter. But here's the thing: what did this guy think was going to happen? It isn't so much that the rhino might need to be killed for the purpose of herd management, but that people get offended by the sport aspect of it. I have zero issue with hunting as a basic concept, but trophy hunting just sets my teeth on edge, even if he gets to pretend to be pious about it in the process.
 
2014-01-19 11:48:21 PM  

hardinparamedic: Kit Fister: But yes, hunting is bad, mmmkay.

Hunting is okay if you're doing it for the right reasons - food, population control, tradition...

Those reasons are not including bragging rights and a horn to mount on your wall.


Tradition is no reason at all
 
2014-01-19 11:48:27 PM  
This edition of FARK's Sunday Evening Flame War brought to you by the letters W, T, and F.
 
2014-01-19 11:48:37 PM  
I just got done eating a big ol' bowl of venison chili, so I'm getting a kick out of these replies.  A guy I knew who hunted in Germany told me they say a prayer for the animals they harvested that day.  That stuck with me and I think about it at the end of a hunt.

I don't hunt for trophies myself, but if what is written about the rhino being ready for cull is true I have no problem with this guy.
 
2014-01-19 11:49:17 PM  
Yeaaah. Calling BS on this one, especially after I've seen him give 2 handfuls of interviews about how what he was doing was "saving" the black rhino through conservation because his money was going to that cause.

Hey asshole, if you cared about conservation of the black rhino, you'd DONATE the money instead of shooting them. Surely you understand basic math: + your money - shooting rhino = rhino + your money.

Redeem yourself by donating your money OR "hunting" that rhino with nothing more than a bowie knife. That's sporting and I'd consider it fair, if you've the balls.
 
2014-01-19 11:50:32 PM  

GoldSpider: spqr_ca: It must shock you to learn that it usually wasn't a consequence of old age.

Are you posting under the impression that species populations were static until humans started hunting them?  Because that's what it sounds like you're saying.


No, I'm not. I'm noting that herd management is an issue today because humanity farked things up. These species are endangered because we screwed it up. This dude wants a trophy, that form of hunting just bugs me. Hunting for need, that's different, but it's lure of the trophy that has put this species in this position in the first place.
 
2014-01-19 11:50:58 PM  
I say let these assholes hunt all the rhinos they want....with spears.
 
2014-01-19 11:50:59 PM  

spqr_ca: what did this guy think was going to happen?


That's certainly true; unabashed ignorance never stopped an uncontrolled emotional outburst, even before the Internet.
 
2014-01-19 11:53:13 PM  
i224.photobucket.com

Quite an experience to live in fear, isn't it?
 
2014-01-19 11:53:22 PM  
While I get the anger towards this man, how come nothing is mentioned on the actual issuance of the license to kill?
I mean obviously the country is OK with it to actually go over there and allow him to legally kill a rhino. Wouldn't that be more concerning?
 
2014-01-19 11:53:40 PM  

spqr_ca: This dude wants a trophy, that form of hunting just bugs me. Hunting for need, that's different, but it's lure of the trophy that has put this species in this position in the first place.


Not going to disagree there; I'm also a hunter, and a small part of this rubs me the wrong way too.  But that ends at the point where I realize $350k is going to a good conservation cause.
 
2014-01-19 11:53:45 PM  

GoldSpider: ca


Yep. Typical Fark thinking.
 
2014-01-19 11:54:46 PM  

SuperNinjaToad: I mean obviously the country is OK with it to actually go over there and allow him to legally kill a rhino. Wouldn't that be more concerning?


It wouldn't be to someone with a more thorough understanding of the situation.
 
2014-01-19 11:56:35 PM  

GoldSpider: But that ends at the point where I realize $350k is going to a good conservation cause.


And makes trophy hunting into something positive. Not buying that as a good way to help the cause.
 
2014-01-19 11:58:12 PM  

spqr_ca: Kit Fister: But we farked up the balance and now have to fight to save these species of animals, which includes herd management.

I, I actually agree, having once been a hunter. But here's the thing: what did this guy think was going to happen? It isn't so much that the rhino might need to be killed for the purpose of herd management, but that people get offended by the sport aspect of it. I have zero issue with hunting as a basic concept, but trophy hunting just sets my teeth on edge, even if he gets to pretend to be pious about it in the process.


He bid anonymously. He didn't publicize it. Some jackass leaked his name and it became an issue.

Without the leak, no one would have ever heard about it, just like dozens of other hunts.

So what you're saying is, you're offended by an image you concocted in your head about this guy's motives, rather than actually knowing the guy and the intimate details.

You don't like sport hunting. Fine. Think of it what you want. But it's herd management either way, and it helps us fix a thing we created. Were that we did so much for other things such as reef management, fish population controls, and global deforestation.

I dare you to open your mind and go by something other than some dumbass quotes in an article (which prints the equivalent of sound bytes and not voluminous treatises on the persons ethics and motives) and try to see that there's more to it.

There always is.

As a side note, I hate hunting just for a trophy. But if it's done safely and legally, and the meat gets donated to be eaten by the hungry, everyone still wins. I likewise dislike guys who buy expensive cars, but some workers fed their family by working to build it, make the parts, etc. so it all balances out.

Life's too short to go all quixotic on the internet over stupid shiat like this. Some people you can reach. Others will always be douchebags. Invest your limited time wisely.
 
2014-01-19 11:58:15 PM  

spqr_ca: And makes trophy hunting into something positive.


I imagine most people have their minds made up either way about that already.
 
2014-01-19 11:58:28 PM  

ZeroCorpse: Because nature has no idea how to manage itself without human intervention. I mean, the world of animals only got by for milliions of years without humans "managing" the herds. It's a good thing we finally got off our asses and evolved so other species could benefit from our wisdom regarding who live and who dies, and how.



When I see a comment like this I wonder how that person feels about abortion.  If they feel hunting is barbaric, do they think that any kind of termination of a fetus is barbaric?  I hate to go there, but sometimes there are people that like things that other people don't like.
 
2014-01-19 11:58:44 PM  
When the aliens land, I am going to help them personally hunt ever last person in here who said it was okay to kill this rhino. Cause hey, you idiots won't mind, I'm just culling some non reproductives.
 
2014-01-19 11:59:52 PM  

Terrible Old Man: Yeaaah. Calling BS on this one, especially after I've seen him give 2 handfuls of interviews about how what he was doing was "saving" the black rhino through conservation because his money was going to that cause.

Hey asshole, if you cared about conservation of the black rhino, you'd DONATE the money instead of shooting them. Surely you understand basic math: + your money - shooting rhino = rhino + your money.

Redeem yourself by donating your money OR "hunting" that rhino with nothing more than a bowie knife. That's sporting and I'd consider it fair, if you've the balls.


You do realize that they are going to kill the rhino in question either way, right? Whether he does it or not, someone is going to shoot it.
 
2014-01-20 12:00:16 AM  
Killing a non-reproducing Black Rhino, and paying 350k to do it is win-win.

The people screaming and threatening the man over it, don't give a dime to help conserve anything. They just scream and rant, and contribute nothing. News Flash: Preventing 1 guy who's paying hundreds of thousands of dollars to hunt 1 lousy beast doesn't save the species. The poachers who aren't making the news and killing the things for their horns, the Chinese who are paying for those horns, and all you morons who criticize but do nothing are a bigger part of the problem than this guy.

But emotions always seem to dominate rather than logic.
 
2014-01-20 12:01:00 AM  

AgentPothead: When the aliens land, I am going to help them personally hunt ever last person in here who said it was okay to kill this rhino. Cause hey, you idiots won't mind, I'm just culling some non reproductives.


Don't be a pussy... get a gun and find a clocktower. SHOW THEM ALL!
 
2014-01-20 12:01:02 AM  

Kit Fister: Terrible Old Man: Yeaaah. Calling BS on this one, especially after I've seen him give 2 handfuls of interviews about how what he was doing was "saving" the black rhino through conservation because his money was going to that cause.

Hey asshole, if you cared about conservation of the black rhino, you'd DONATE the money instead of shooting them. Surely you understand basic math: + your money - shooting rhino = rhino + your money.

Redeem yourself by donating your money OR "hunting" that rhino with nothing more than a bowie knife. That's sporting and I'd consider it fair, if you've the balls.

You do realize that they are going to kill the rhino in question either way, right? Whether he does it or not, someone is going to shoot it.


They'd rather the locals not get $350k+ because feelings.
 
2014-01-20 12:01:30 AM  

spqr_ca: GoldSpider: But that ends at the point where I realize $350k is going to a good conservation cause.

And makes trophy hunting into something positive. Not buying that as a good way to help the cause.


Man, just how bootyblasted are you?
 
2014-01-20 12:02:26 AM  

AgentPothead: When the aliens land, I am going to help them personally hunt ever last person in here who said it was okay to kill this rhino. Cause hey, you idiots won't mind, I'm just culling some non reproductives.


Okay. I look forward to it.
 
2014-01-20 12:03:01 AM  
Maybe now he knows how the rhino feels.

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2014-01-20 12:03:37 AM  

Fark It: *Insert worthwhile thing that was thwarted* because feelings.


You wield that in these threads like an artist wields a paintbrush.
 
2014-01-20 12:04:32 AM  
If a rhino is worth 300,000 dollars, do you think there will be more or less of them, over time?

DIFFICULTY: This has happened multiple times before, research is already done on the subject.
 
2014-01-20 12:05:41 AM  

Kit Fister: So what you're saying is, you're offended by an image you concocted in your head about this guy's motives, rather than actually knowing the guy and the intimate details.


You read his explanation, right?

At any rate, I simply disagree with sport hunting, period. I don't care if he, or you, want to pull the pious "it's now about herd management" card here. Sport hunting is what put this species into endangerment and trying to save it by auctioning off licenses to sport hunt is simply counter-intuitive. The message there is spend the money and we'll get you your trophy.

At any rate, I'm less angry with this guy. I kind of get the lure from his perspective. I'm more irritated by those that thought it would actually be a good idea to do this. Any attempt to spin sport hunting in a positive light irritates me.
 
2014-01-20 12:06:19 AM  

AgentPothead: When the aliens land, I am going to help them personally hunt ever last person in here who said it was okay to kill this rhino. Cause hey, you idiots won't mind, I'm just culling some non reproductives.


Name:Agent D. Pothead
Location:Tokeville, Calibongia

hempbeach.com
 
2014-01-20 12:07:36 AM  

GUTSU: spqr_ca: GoldSpider: But that ends at the point where I realize $350k is going to a good conservation cause.

And makes trophy hunting into something positive. Not buying that as a good way to help the cause.

Man, just how bootyblasted are you?


Sorry, but I don't engage in a battle of wits with the unarmed. Thanks for coming out though.
 
2014-01-20 12:09:28 AM  

Needlessly Complicated: Are we supposed to feel bad for him or... what?


Yes, because 2d Amendment, gunz and sparkly crying eagles.
 
2014-01-20 12:09:31 AM  

spqr_ca: Sport hunting is what put this species into endangerment and trying to save it by auctioning off licenses to sport hunt is simply counter-intuitive.


Horseshiat.  Unstable governments lead to bad economies, which leads to poaching.  Trophy fees counter-act both.  Some rich guy going in and taking a trophy on vacation does not compare to natives on 4x4s using AKs and explosives to kill as many as they can for their horns.
 
2014-01-20 12:12:03 AM  
Hey, I shot your wife, your dad, your kids, and hit your mom with a car. Look, my bad. But don't worry. I'm gonna let this guy pay me $350k to kill you, and I'll use that money to help take care of your family. Well, your neighbor's family anyway.

It's win-win! :D
 
2014-01-20 12:12:50 AM  

spqr_ca: GUTSU: spqr_ca: GoldSpider: But that ends at the point where I realize $350k is going to a good conservation cause.

And makes trophy hunting into something positive. Not buying that as a good way to help the cause.

Man, just how bootyblasted are you?

Sorry, but I don't engage in a battle of wits with the unarmed. Thanks for coming out though.


I know you're rectally ravaged, but you need to take it easy there son. I promise you that hurts feelings, just like chapped asses, heal in the fullness of time.
 
2014-01-20 12:13:13 AM  
A modest proposal: I suspect there are some who would pay more than $350K for the chance to hunt poachers. Thin the herd.
 
2014-01-20 12:13:37 AM  
What kind of pussy gets all excited hunting something that cant shoot back?
 
2014-01-20 12:13:49 AM  

Fark It: spqr_ca: Sport hunting is what put this species into endangerment and trying to save it by auctioning off licenses to sport hunt is simply counter-intuitive.

Horseshiat.  Unstable governments lead to bad economies, which leads to poaching.  Trophy fees counter-act both.  Some rich guy going in and taking a trophy on vacation does not compare to natives on 4x4s using AKs and explosives to kill as many as they can for their horns.


We're going to have to agree to disagree. The natives going in there are doing to sell the horns to China and make money, not trophy hunt. Also a reprehensible situation and not the same.

At any rate, the death threats to this guy are wrong, but I'm not surprised by them. Seriously, the optics of this really, really, suck and they aren't going to be easy to sell.
 
2014-01-20 12:13:58 AM  

DrBenway: A modest proposal: I suspect there are some who would pay more than $350K for the chance to hunt poachers. Thin the herd.


Go on...
 
2014-01-20 12:14:29 AM  

doglover: Hey, I shot your wife, your dad, your kids, and hit your mom with a car. Look, my bad. But don't worry. I'm gonna let this guy pay me $350k to kill you, and I'll use that money to help take care of your family. Well, your neighbor's family anyway.

It's win-win! :D


Animals aren't people.
 
2014-01-20 12:15:07 AM  

Fark It: AgentPothead: When the aliens land, I am going to help them personally hunt ever last person in here who said it was okay to kill this rhino. Cause hey, you idiots won't mind, I'm just culling some non reproductives.

Name:Agent D. Pothead
Location:Tokeville, Calibongia

[hempbeach.com image 600x450]


I'm not sure I understand? I can post a picture of an idiot in reply to you if you want?
files.myopera.com
 
2014-01-20 12:15:59 AM  

Fark It: Animals aren't people.


That's incredible considering people are animals.
 
2014-01-20 12:16:18 AM  

AgentPothead: Fark It: AgentPothead: When the aliens land, I am going to help them personally hunt ever last person in here who said it was okay to kill this rhino. Cause hey, you idiots won't mind, I'm just culling some non reproductives.

Name:Agent D. Pothead
Location:Tokeville, Calibongia

[hempbeach.com image 600x450]

I'm not sure I understand? I can post a picture of an idiot in reply to you if you want?
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Don't you have a clocktower to get to?
 
2014-01-20 12:17:20 AM  

Fark It: Don't you have a clocktower to get to?


No? Is this supposed to be a joke or something? Cause it's not very good?
 
2014-01-20 12:18:02 AM  

Fark It: Don't you have a clocktower to get to?


This is what happens when someone lets their ITG Monthly subscription lapse.
 
2014-01-20 12:18:49 AM  

AgentPothead: Fark It: Animals aren't people.

That's incredible considering people are animals.


Rectangles aren't squares, but squares are rectangles.
 
2014-01-20 12:20:28 AM  

Fark It: Rectangles aren't squares, but squares are rectangles.


And idiots aren't always named Fark It, but Fark It is an idiot?
 
2014-01-20 12:20:32 AM  

AgentPothead: Fark It: Don't you have a clocktower to get to?

No? Is this supposed to be a joke or something? Cause it's not very good?



AgentPothead: When the aliens land, I am going to help them personally hunt ever last person in here who said it was okay to kill this rhino. Cause hey, you idiots won't mind, I'm just culling some non reproductives.


What's stopping you from waiting until the aliens land?  Put down the bong.
 
2014-01-20 12:20:47 AM  

knbwhite: ZeroCorpse: Because nature has no idea how to manage itself without human intervention. I mean, the world of animals only got by for milliions of years without humans "managing" the herds. It's a good thing we finally got off our asses and evolved so other species could benefit from our wisdom regarding who live and who dies, and how.


When I see a comment like this I wonder how that person feels about abortion.  If they feel hunting is barbaric, do they think that any kind of termination of a fetus is barbaric?  I hate to go there, but sometimes there are people that like things that other people don't like.


I don't feel hunting is barbaric.

I feel that paying $350,000 to kill an animal that likely doesn't need to be tracked or actively hunted is a douchebag move. He could have donated $350,000 to the cause, and let the rangers put the animal down on the condition that he gets whatever trophy he wants... He didn't do that. He paid for the opportunity to kill something.

I feel about this the same way that I feel about people who want to pay to be the one to pull the lever at a criminal's execution. My problem is with the man and his motivations, not with the act of putting down an old animal (or a criminal).

Paying to kill an animal like this is a lot like Percy Wetmore in  The Green Mile  champing at the bit to execute a prisoner. It's the bloodlust and callousness that I object to. If he were actually  hunting the rhino-- especially if he weren't armed with a rifle-- I'd have some respect for him, perhaps.

As for a fetus being terminated-- They're not aware. They haven't accumulated memories, or lived a life at that point. They're biological matter with the  potential  to be a person, but they're nowhere near it yet.

I also don't see what one has to do with the other. It's like saying "Gosh, I see these people against high fructose corn syrup, and I wonder how they feel about eating buttered popcorn!"

But I don't have a problem with actual hunting... I have a problem with wealthy dickbags who pay for the chance to kill something that is unable to fight back or run away. That's not hunting. That's killing. Learn the difference before you pose another one of your oh-so-deep mind-benders.
 
2014-01-20 12:21:03 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: Black Rhinos are endangered, douchebags aren't.


I think you might be on to something.
 
2014-01-20 12:21:08 AM  
well, if this guy thinks the appropriate rules are $350k to kill a rhino; then to be fair, we should take $350,000, multiply it by the number of african black rhinos in the world, and then divide it by the number of humans in the world. it should cost that much to get a license to hunt him.
 
2014-01-20 12:23:07 AM  

Fark It: What's stopping you from waiting until the aliens land? Put down the bong.


Holy shiat, you are too stupid to live. Just eat the shotgun already. Kurt Cobain yourself and get it over with.
 
2014-01-20 12:24:46 AM  
I gots a permit, dammit.

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2014-01-20 12:28:10 AM  

Kit Fister: this hunt was of an animal well past it's breeding years that is aggressive and prevents younger males from breeding, thus stymying the growth of the population, and thus actually a hindrance to maintaining a healthy population.


farm4.staticflickr.com

1) PUT EVIL COCK-BLOCKING RHINO IN CAGE

2) SELL TO ZOO

3) PROFIT!
 
2014-01-20 12:29:15 AM  

Tellingthem: Oh come on and man up. I wouldn't expect anything less if i was doing something like this. People will say this kind of stuff for pretty much anything. I got death threats when I worked at a crappy college radio station.


Exactly. When you piss off the internet, it will always send you death threats. But as long as your name isn't AOL or Geocities or MySpace (and, of course, you're not @home), you have nothing to fear!
 
2014-01-20 12:31:20 AM  

Therion: Kit Fister: this hunt was of an animal well past it's breeding years that is aggressive and prevents younger males from breeding, thus stymying the growth of the population, and thus actually a hindrance to maintaining a healthy population.

[farm4.staticflickr.com image 640x427]

1) PUT EVIL COCK-BLOCKING RHINO IN CAGE

2) SELL TO ZOO

3) PROFIT!

Lose money
 
2014-01-20 12:32:28 AM  
Despite some outlandish rhetoric from a few folks, there has been some interesting back and forth in this thread. Quite a few folks have stated their personal opinions in a civil manner.
 
2014-01-20 12:35:13 AM  
God the stupid comments just keep coming. WTF difference does it make? the animal is going to be killed either way. That part is wildlife management and conservation, it's not some reckless killing. I don't like trophy hunting but the other rhinos could use $350k steered at them. You guys can have the next one if you can find a preserve or zoo able to take it, fund and find a way to move it, and match the winning bid on the next hunt. That's it, you can do as much for the species as a trophy hunter. Get to work.
 
2014-01-20 12:36:21 AM  
On it's face it appears hypocritical and counter-productive which further enrages those who already feel animal hunting is cruel by itself.  The details are everything and, I'm guessing here, but if you're the kind of person that would send death threats over something like this you are also probably the kind of person to hear it and get mad and never fully investigate the circumstances in order to discover that your initial anger was unfounded and that this killing will in fact promote more black rhino babies and would take place even in the absence of an auction to do so personally.
 
2014-01-20 12:40:58 AM  

El Viento: Now you can call me skeptical but I think a few rich white people sat down to figure out how to go kill a rhino and mount his head legally.


It would be much more palatable if it was a few rich black/asian/arab/latino people, wouldn't it?
 
2014-01-20 12:42:30 AM  

equusdc: [RoyBattty.jpg]

Quite an experience to live in fear, isn't it?


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2014-01-20 12:42:32 AM  

violentsalvation: God the stupid comments just keep coming. WTF difference does it make? the animal is going to be killed either way. That part is wildlife management and conservation, it's not some reckless killing. I don't like trophy hunting but the other rhinos could use $350k steered at them. You guys can have the next one if you can find a preserve or zoo able to take it, fund and find a way to move it, and match the winning bid on the next hunt. That's it, you can do as much for the species as a trophy hunter. Get to work.


This thread has convinced me to put hog-hunting from a helicopter on my bucket list.
 
2014-01-20 12:42:43 AM  
What the fark did he expect? It's a specific rhino. There will be no sport to the hunt. Like mentioned above, he'll probably just be driven up to it, he'll pull the trigger, and then go back to his hotel for a drink.
 
2014-01-20 12:44:03 AM  

ZeroCorpse: But I don't have a problem with actual hunting... I have a problem with wealthy dickbags who pay for the chance to kill something that is unable to fight back or run away. That's not hunting. That's killing. Learn the difference before you pose another one of your oh-so-deep mind-benders.


Well, you really reeled me in.  First I was reading logical arguments that I sort of agree with, then you had to get personal.  I really tried not to, but I guess the abortion comment hit a nerve. Sorry if I think a person who has multiple abortions as late in the term as legal, or the doctors who fudge the lateness are worse people than the guy who wants to shoot this rhino.
 
2014-01-20 12:44:12 AM  

UseLessHuman: On it's face it appears hypocritical and counter-productive which further enrages those who already feel animal hunting is cruel by itself.  The details are everything and, I'm guessing here, but if you're the kind of person that would send death threats over something like this you are also probably the kind of person to hear it and get mad and never fully investigate the circumstances in order to discover that your initial anger was unfounded and that this killing will in fact promote more black rhino babies and would take place even in the absence of an auction to do so personally.


The agency choosing which Black rhinos are up for hunting is the same one that will benefit financially from it's death. This is not the same agency that would benefit from the money spent to shoot said rhino. That's what I take issue with. That, and the person shooting the animal is a trophy hunter from a foreign country who doesn't give two shiats about the legitimacy of the kill.

But, yeah...lets go ahead an blindly assume that a nation that scores an "F" in the corruption index has the rhinos' best interest at heart.
 
2014-01-20 12:44:29 AM  
since the main market for poached rhino horns is probably china, it is time to boycott chinese products and walmart, since the money that goes to china is undoubtedly used in part to fund the killing and exploitation of the poor beasts.
 
2014-01-20 12:47:08 AM  
Meh
 
2014-01-20 12:47:10 AM  
Here is the point I am trying to make: HISTORICALLY speaking, all the truly successful reservations are in private hands, to include Texas in the 90's(1). These areas are run for profit, and auction off the endangered animals in their care. This makes the animals EXTREMELY VALUABLE, and makes it financially viable to ensure their well being. (2) 

These areas provide stability to the region in which they are founded, (3) and prevent nearly all poaching, because they kill the hell out of the poachers. (4) FINALLY, when laws are passed to BAN such hunting activity, the financial viability of the animals, the animals are either culled, to make room for more financially viable beasts, or die out within a generation or two, because no effort is made in their preservation. (5)

SO, if you want to SAVE a species, make the species valuable. a THIRD OF A MILLION DOLLARS in AFRICA buys a lot of employees, and a lot of habitat maintenance. The guy is >Helping< the Black Rhino through his actions.

(1)https://www.google.com/search?q=private+game+reserves+texas&ie=ut f-8&o e=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
(2) https://www.google.com/search?q=private+game+reserves+south+africa&ie= utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
(3)http://www.scienceinafrica.co.za/2006/december/gamereserves.htm
(4)http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/28/rhino-poachers-south-afr ica_n _2969872.html
(5)http://blog.heritage.org/2012/06/16/wildlife-hunting-friends-of-a nimal s-threaten-endangered-species-in-texas/   (This link is a bit biased, but has its own references)

/My second point? Mr. Culling of humanity needs to take a shiat or get off the pot.
 
2014-01-20 12:49:32 AM  
Johnsnownw:

But, yeah...lets go ahead an blindly assume that a nation that scores an "F" in the corruption index has the rhinos' best interest at heart.

You think they will take better, or worse care of rhinos when they know they are worth 300 thousand dollars?
 
2014-01-20 12:49:39 AM  

EmmaLou: What the fark did he expect? It's a specific rhino. There will be no sport to the hunt. Like mentioned above, he'll probably just be driven up to it, he'll pull the trigger, and then go back to his hotel for a drink.


I suppose that makes the death threats (more) rational.
 
2014-01-20 12:51:00 AM  

knbwhite: I just got done eating a big ol' bowl of venison chili, so I'm getting a kick out of these replies.


Include a cup of bourbon in your next batch.  You'll thank me later.
 
2014-01-20 12:52:45 AM  
1. The rhino needs to be killed for the benefit of the herd and the species in general, since the park can only support so many rhinos.
2. Namibia is desperately poor and needs $350K to keep the rangers paid, the park boundaries patrolled and their country solvent.
3. Nobody who is threatening this guy with death has offered to come up with $350K to save the rhino's life, pay the park, and help fight the poaching that made the black rhino endangered in the first place.

So unless you can address these three points, STFU already. The hunter is an asshole for not just paying for his license and quietly going to kill the animal; but that's as far as his stupidity goes. Everyone else needs to put up or shut up.
 
2014-01-20 12:53:57 AM  

Johnsnownw: UseLessHuman: On it's face it appears hypocritical and counter-productive which further enrages those who already feel animal hunting is cruel by itself.  The details are everything and, I'm guessing here, but if you're the kind of person that would send death threats over something like this you are also probably the kind of person to hear it and get mad and never fully investigate the circumstances in order to discover that your initial anger was unfounded and that this killing will in fact promote more black rhino babies and would take place even in the absence of an auction to do so personally.

The agency choosing which Black rhinos are up for hunting is the same one that will benefit financially from it's death. This is not the same agency that would benefit from the money spent to shoot said rhino. That's what I take issue with. That, and the person shooting the animal is a trophy hunter from a foreign country who doesn't give two shiats about the legitimacy of the kill.

But, yeah...lets go ahead an blindly assume that a nation that scores an "F" in the corruption index has the rhinos' best interest at heart.


If the country entrusted with their care is that bad, then they're farked -- regardless of what some guy in Texas does or does not do.

Having read the details, I see no real problem. The cull would take place regardless of who pulls the trigger. If money can be extracted and some hunter gets a trophy, then everyone benefits from that inevitability.
 
2014-01-20 12:56:28 AM  
Well duh, dumbass. If you are willing going to hunt a defenseless ENDANGERED animal. Be prepared to pay the consequences. Watch one of the death threats is from Chuck Norris. I see a dodge ramming/running your dumbass over very soon. Grr sorry for the rant.. It freaking peeves me that a dumb fark wants to hunt an endangered species just because they are rare. If I ever meet/see him, his security guards would be no match for my adrenaline fuel hatred I would give him through a pair of classic brass knuckles.
 
2014-01-20 12:57:33 AM  

\Johnsnownw: has the rhinos' best interest at heart.


Who gives a flying fark about the rhino's best interest.  It is a, one , single rhino, not a sentient human being.  They are not declaring open season on rhinos.  They decided it would be better for the herd if that rhino was not around, and rather than just walking out a shooting it they decided to auction off the rights to kill it.  Some dumb fark dropped $350,000 to do what a game warden that makes $15,000 a year would have done anyway.  All in all its a big win for the rhinos, plural, and this jack-off gets to brag to his idiot buddies about how he heroically slayed the charging African beast.  Could he have just donated the money?  Sure, but some other jack-off would have been right behind him to bid on the auction.
 
2014-01-20 12:57:54 AM  

Hoban Washburne: doglover: So, they do indeed have a valid perspective of what hunting is like from their end. The only hunters I respect in the day of industrial slaughter houses and high powered rifles are sniper scouts, or "hunters of gunmen" as they dub themselves.

As someone who eats meat, I'm perfectly fine with "ethical hunting."  That is, hunting overpopulated (or at least not underpopulated) animals that would otherwise starve and eating and/or donating the meat.  A deer that gets killed in the wild has a much better life than a cow in a factory farm.  There is not really a "good death" in nature.  Animals usually die of starvation or getting eaten by other animals.  Being put down by a skilled hunter is probably one of the cleaner deaths possible for wild animals.  True fair chase deer stalking is actually very difficult and physically taxing.

The rhino is endangered and I seriously doubt this guy is planning to eat it, or that it will be a fair chase scenario.  I imagine he'll be driven by a guide in one of those safari jeeps, get relatively close, the rhino will be like "Ehh, whatever" because he's used to people in jeeps, and the guy will just shoot him.  That's a farking shiatty, cowardly thing to do.

You may personally be opposed to all types of hunting, but let's at least separate the reasonable from the ridiculous.


From what I read - and I am neither advocating nor decrying this guy purchasing the permit - the old male rhinos get extremely
cantankerous and violent and will attack the younger male rhinos, often killing them. The old male rhinos are too old to procreate
and by them killing the younger males, it further endangers an already endangered species.

He plans to keep the hide and give the meat to the locals, as I understand it.

If there were millions of them still on the planet, a lot of folks would consider this to be nothing more than 'thinning the herd'.

No, I don't hunt. No, I am not against ethical hunting. Yes, I eat meat. Tasty, tasty meat.
 
2014-01-20 12:58:29 AM  

Kit Fister: sno man: Hoban Washburne: doglover: So, they do indeed have a valid perspective of what hunting is like from their end. The only hunters I respect in the day of industrial slaughter houses and high powered rifles are sniper scouts, or "hunters of gunmen" as they dub themselves.

As someone who eats meat, I'm perfectly fine with "ethical hunting."  That is, hunting overpopulated (or at least not underpopulated) animals that would otherwise starve and eating and/or donating the meat.  A deer that gets killed in the wild has a much better life than a cow in a factory farm.  There is not really a "good death" in nature.  Animals usually die of starvation or getting eaten by other animals.  Being put down by a skilled hunter is probably one of the cleaner deaths possible for wild animals.  True fair chase deer stalking is actually very difficult and physically taxing.

The rhino is endangered and I seriously doubt this guy is planning to eat it, or that it will be a fair chase scenario.  I imagine he'll be driven by a guide in one of those safari jeeps, get relatively close, the rhino will be like "Ehh, whatever" because he's used to people in jeeps, and the guy will just shoot him.  That's a farking shiatty, cowardly thing to do.

You may personally be opposed to all types of hunting, but let's at least separate the reasonable from the ridiculous.

And as bojon pointed out this is a very specific hunt of a small number of post procreating animals with the proceeds of the lottery going to preservation efforts of the herd. I'm putting this on the reasonable side of that equation.

I came here to point out that this hunt was of an animal well past it's breeding years that is aggressive and prevents younger males from breeding, thus stymying the growth of the population, and thus actually a hindrance to maintaining a healthy population. Also I was going to point out that the government of Nairobi has one of the best conservation programs in the world and that they use the m ...



Thanks to both posters who pointed out the specific details - that this particular rhino is past breeding age (and, I presume, any available sperm has been harvested just in case future in vitro breeding is possible - in order to expand the gene pool) and thus not necessarily a loss from the population. On the other hand, I can't say I'm disappointed in the knee-jerk response from others...... at least it's nice to see so many people would like to see a large variety of wildlife preserved for future generations. It shows a great social conscience (if somewhat mis-informed, as I was).
 
2014-01-20 12:59:10 AM  
i.chzbgr.com
 
2014-01-20 12:59:45 AM  

Launchpad1986: Well duh, dumbass. If you are willing going to hunt a defenseless ENDANGERED animal. Be prepared to pay the consequences. Watch one of the death threats is from Chuck Norris. I see a dodge ramming/running your dumbass over very soon. Grr sorry for the rant.. It freaking peeves me that a dumb fark wants to hunt an endangered species just because they are rare. If I ever meet/see him, his security guards would be no match for my adrenaline fuel hatred I would give him through a pair of classic brass knuckles.


www.poormojo.org
 
2014-01-20 12:59:50 AM  

kim jong-un: doglover: ecmoRandomNumbers: doglover: He's a hunter. fark him. He knows how the game works.

You're sitting at home, peacefully eating lunch with your family when BLAM a bullet rips out your lungs. You gasp uselessly as blood froths out of mouth and collapse. The last thing you see in your tunnel vision is your wife and children covered in your blood as you fall to the floor. A man in an orange vest kicks in your door and starts to decapitate you, because all he wanted was your head on his wall, but while your family is running away he takes a nice long look at your son and says "Soon, I'm coming back for him!"

Jesus.

Animals are conscious beings. Just because they're tasty and you're ignorant doesn't mean that they're some kind of meat robot. They've each got moods, personalities, memories. Even hive insects of exceedingly uniform nature, like ants, have some variations and learn by experience.

So, they do indeed have a valid perspective of what hunting is like from their end. The only hunters I respect in the day of industrial slaughter houses and high powered rifles are sniper scouts, or "hunters of gunmen" as they dub themselves.

Anyone else is cheating because animals can't shoot back.

So industrial slaughter is good.



And Bob's your uncle.

/..... well, he used to be......
 
2014-01-20 01:01:40 AM  
is it just me, or are there lots of fruitarian farkers?
 
2014-01-20 01:03:06 AM  

serialsuicidebomber: Thanks to both posters who pointed out the specific details - that this particular rhino is past breeding age (and, I presume, any available sperm has been harvested just in case future in vitro breeding is possible - in order to expand the gene pool) and thus not necessarily a loss from the population. On the other hand, I can't say I'm disappointed in the knee-jerk response from others...... at least it's nice to see so many people would like to see a large variety of wildlife preserved for future generations. It shows a great social conscience (if somewhat mis-informed, as I was).


You mistake their urge to feel superior to "those" people for caring.

/Those people being hunters and the game wardens who JUST MIGHT know their assholes from their elbows when it comes to wildlife management.
 
2014-01-20 01:03:41 AM  

Sgt Otter: ultraholland: I want to experience a black rhino. I want to be intimately involved with a black rhino.

wow, dude.

My grandfather served in North Africa in World War II.  A few decades after the war, he took a trip back to see his old battlefields, and decided to do a tour of the whole continent, including a safari.

He had the opportunity to shoot a rhino.  Because they were rarely hunted by humans in that region (I don't recall where this was exactly), it wasn't scared of him, or his hunting party.  It just stared at him, casually grazing.  It didn't movie, it didn't threaten to charge.  It just stood there, staring and chewing.

He refused to shoot it, stating it would be "about as sporting as shooting a parked mini-van."


This, this is what I don't understand. How the fark do you take any pride in shooting something that's just standing still minding its own business? I'm not against killing animals, but you'd have to have the mind of a child or a retard to find fun in that.
 
2014-01-20 01:06:42 AM  

Yogimus: Johnsnownw:

But, yeah...lets go ahead an blindly assume that a nation that scores an "F" in the corruption index has the rhinos' best interest at heart.

You think they will take better, or worse care of rhinos when they know they are worth 300 thousand dollars?


If I were betting, I'd say they would take care of them so far as sick rhinos worth $350,000 were still around.
 
2014-01-20 01:06:52 AM  

Therion: Kit Fister: this hunt was of an animal well past it's breeding years that is aggressive and prevents younger males from breeding, thus stymying the growth of the population, and thus actually a hindrance to maintaining a healthy population.

[farm4.staticflickr.com image 640x427]

1) PUT EVIL COCK-BLOCKING RHINO IN CAGE

2) SELL TO ZOO

3) PROFIT!


Actually, the old rhino is angry, territorial, and no longer breeding. If any zoos wanted it don't you think they would have forked over the cash already?
 
2014-01-20 01:08:28 AM  

JH3675: \Johnsnownw: has the rhinos' best interest at heart.

Who gives a flying fark about the rhino's best interest.  It is a, one , single rhino, not a sentient human being.  They are not declaring open season on rhinos.  They decided it would be better for the herd if that rhino was not around, and rather than just walking out a shooting it they decided to auction off the rights to kill it.  Some dumb fark dropped $350,000 to do what a game warden that makes $15,000 a year would have done anyway.  All in all its a big win for the rhinos, plural, and this jack-off gets to brag to his idiot buddies about how he heroically slayed the charging African beast.  Could he have just donated the money?  Sure, but some other jack-off would have been right behind him to bid on the auction.


The guy going to shoot it has said that the Govt. has designated 5 available for a shootin. I expect that number to increase over the next couple of years to as much as they can get away with.
 
2014-01-20 01:10:23 AM  

doglover: He's a hunter. fark him. He knows how the game works.

You're sitting at home, peacefully eating lunch with your family when BLAM a bullet rips out your lungs. You gasp uselessly as blood froths out of mouth and collapse. The last thing you see in your tunnel vision is your wife and children covered in your blood as you fall to the floor. A man in an orange vest kicks in your door and starts to decapitate you, because all he wanted was your head on his wall, but while your family is running away he takes a nice long look at your son and says "Soon, I'm coming back for him!"



i.imgur.com
 
2014-01-20 01:14:14 AM  

browntimmy: This, this is what I don't understand. How the fark do you take any pride in shooting something that's just standing still minding its own business? I'm not against killing animals, but you'd have to have the mind of a child or a retard to find fun in that.


I agree with your comments on the situation described.  On the other hand, when hunting deer or elk it would be considered irresponsible to shoot at a swiftly moving animal, especially one that is a good distance away.  The most humane way is to take a high percentage shot ( distance wise and angle) at a stationary target.  A well place shot will kill the animal quickly where it can be recovered.  A responsible hunter doesn't take a shot will result in a wounded animal running off to die a slow death or getting ripped apart by other predators.
 
2014-01-20 01:14:18 AM  
www.postavy.cz
It's like a little boy's nursery school I've come upon here.
 
2014-01-20 01:15:21 AM  
Perhaps the hunter would be OK with it if someone auctioned off the right to kill the hunter to the highest bidder, and then donated the proceeds to some hunting association.
 
2014-01-20 01:15:57 AM  

ZeroCorpse: Joe USer: What I learned from this thread:

Most people don't get the concept of herd management.

Because nature has no idea how to manage itself without human intervention. I mean, the world of animals only got by for milliions of years without humans "managing" the herds. It's a good thing we finally got off our asses and evolved so other species could benefit from our wisdom regarding who live and who dies, and how.


No problem, just reintroduce the lions. Oh, you don't like having wild lions eating people when they're not eating other animals? Well, fark them, let them move to Tulsa.
 
2014-01-20 01:16:55 AM  
Maybe he mistakenly thought it was a license to hunt down African American RINO's....

/Herman Cain seen hiding in a bunker.
 
2014-01-20 01:16:55 AM  
Joe USer: because nature has no idea how to manage itself without human intervention.

Nature would let them die
 
2014-01-20 01:18:35 AM  
ZeroCorpse: +1 on that post. Seriously.
 
2014-01-20 01:20:48 AM  
doctorbulldog.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-01-20 01:20:51 AM  

browntimmy: I'm not against killing animals, but you'd have to have the mind of a child or a retard to find fun in that.


So you'd have to be mentally capable as the average hairless ape?
 
2014-01-20 01:22:19 AM  

The Southern Dandy: Perhaps the hunter would be OK with it if someone auctioned off the right to kill the hunter to the highest bidder, and then donated the proceeds to some hunting association.


Grow up.
 
2014-01-20 01:22:30 AM  
If the guy actually went through the legal process and got a license, then there's not an huge issue. Yeah, I find it distasteful and think he's still a tool, but he's not the problem.   Poachers are the problem,  they're funded by the Asian brokers who trade in rhino horns.

If you're really that pissed off, instead of biatching of fark, donate to these guys http://www.iapf.org/en/   They're militant and actually know how to combat the assholes who are causing the eradication of the rhinos.
 
2014-01-20 01:23:05 AM  

RIGHTEOUS INDIGNATION!

MORAL SUPERIORITY!

 
2014-01-20 01:23:17 AM  
Way, way too many internet manliness experts in ITT.

That or just people who didn't RTFA and are looking for an excuse to dump on the guy.
 
2014-01-20 01:24:54 AM  

Yogimus: Joe USer: because nature has no idea how to manage itself without human intervention.

Nature would let them die


I wish nature would teach you how to quote.
 
2014-01-20 01:28:19 AM  
I blame the white man.
 
2014-01-20 01:37:47 AM  

super_grass: Way, way too many internet manliness experts in ITT.

That or just people who didn't RTFA and are looking for an excuse to dump on the guy.


They just watched too much Fern Gully as kids.
 
2014-01-20 01:40:23 AM  

lewismarktwo: They just watched too much Fern Gully as kids.


Or Captain Planet, Avatar, etc.
 
2014-01-20 01:41:09 AM  
Yogimus: ZeroCorpse : because nature has no idea how to manage itself without human intervention.

Nature would let them die


FTFY.
 
2014-01-20 01:42:13 AM  
Enjoy the most dangerous game, biatch.
 
2014-01-20 01:43:06 AM  

Johnsnownw: Yogimus: Johnsnownw:

But, yeah...lets go ahead an blindly assume that a nation that scores an "F" in the corruption index has the rhinos' best interest at heart.

You think they will take better, or worse care of rhinos when they know they are worth 300 thousand dollars?

If I were betting, I'd say they would take care of them so far as sick rhinos worth $350,000 were still around.


FWIW I read the original article and it said he got an exception to import the skin of the rhino from the US Fish and Wildlife Service. I doubt they would grant an exception if the government of Namibia were doing it in a sustainable manner healthy for the population.
 
2014-01-20 01:43:59 AM  

Phil Moskowitz: Enjoy the most dangerous game, biatch.


Strip Monopoly?
 
2014-01-20 01:47:03 AM  

Yogimus: Here is the point I am trying to make: HISTORICALLY speaking, all the truly successful reservations are in private hands, to include Texas in the 90's(1). These areas are run for profit, and auction off the endangered animals in their care. This makes the animals EXTREMELY VALUABLE, and makes it financially viable to ensure their well being. (2) 

These areas provide stability to the region in which they are founded, (3) and prevent nearly all poaching, because they kill the hell out of the poachers. (4) FINALLY, when laws are passed to BAN such hunting activity, the financial viability of the animals, the animals are either culled, to make room for more financially viable beasts, or die out within a generation or two, because no effort is made in their preservation. (5)

SO, if you want to SAVE a species, make the species valuable. a THIRD OF A MILLION DOLLARS in AFRICA buys a lot of employees, and a lot of habitat maintenance. The guy is >Helping< the Black Rhino through his actions.

(1)https://www.google.com/search?q=private+game+reserves+texas&ie=ut f-8&o e=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
(2) https://www.google.com/search?q=private+game+reserves+south+africa&ie= utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
(3)http://www.scienceinafrica.co.za/2006/december/gamereserves.htm
(4)http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/28/rhino-poachers-south-afr ica_n _2969872.html
(5)http://blog.heritage.org/2012/06/16/wildlife-hunting-friends-of-a nimal s-threaten-endangered-species-in-texas/   (This link is a bit biased, but has its own references)

/My second point? Mr. Culling of humanity needs to take a shiat or get off the pot.


Going to leave this here again... For Profit reservations tend to do better than the "no kill" types.
 
2014-01-20 01:47:27 AM  
Also for everyone else still in the thread, read this.

US Fish and Wildlife already approved a similar hunt in 2009. World Wildlife Foundation -- the organization with the cute panda as its logo -- worked with USFW and approved of it as well. The conservation club went through the same process that the 2009 hunt went through.
 
2014-01-20 01:53:21 AM  
"I want to experience a black rhino. I want to be intimately involved with a black rhino." Damn, you are one sick kinky bastard, hoss. You make a video of that action and we can make some real money.

Not the brightest bulb on the marquee, though. If you're concerned about death threats, is it really a good idea to go on television where everyone can get a good look at you?


 

super_grass: Way, way too many internet manliness experts in ITT.

That or just people who didn't RTFA and are looking for an excuse to dump on the guy.


Oh? Did I miss the part where his intention is to shoot a rhino with a camera?
 
2014-01-20 02:02:00 AM  

doglover: ecmoRandomNumbers: doglover: He's a hunter. fark him. He knows how the game works.

You're sitting at home, peacefully eating lunch with your family when BLAM a bullet rips out your lungs. You gasp uselessly as blood froths out of mouth and collapse. The last thing you see in your tunnel vision is your wife and children covered in your blood as you fall to the floor. A man in an orange vest kicks in your door and starts to decapitate you, because all he wanted was your head on his wall, but while your family is running away he takes a nice long look at your son and says "Soon, I'm coming back for him!"

Jesus.

Animals are conscious beings. Just because they're tasty and you're ignorant doesn't mean that they're some kind of meat robot. They've each got moods, personalities, memories. Even hive insects of exceedingly uniform nature, like ants, have some variations and learn by experience.

So, they do indeed have a valid perspective of what hunting is like from their end. The only hunters I respect in the day of industrial slaughter houses and high powered rifles are sniper scouts, or "hunters of gunmen" as they dub themselves.

Anyone else is cheating because animals can't shoot back.


Yet, you don't feel like a douchebag mass murderer when you scrape all the dead insects off of the front bumper of your car while washing it, do you?
 
2014-01-20 02:02:35 AM  

DrBenway: Oh? Did I miss the part where his intention is to shoot a rhino with a camera?


That would be expensive and silly. I guess he could take pictures of the rhino being shot, because its going to happen either way.
 
2014-01-20 02:03:04 AM  

Yogimus: I blame the white man.


Well, it IS a *black* rhino...
 
2014-01-20 02:03:19 AM  

redmid17: Johnsnownw: Yogimus: Johnsnownw:

But, yeah...lets go ahead an blindly assume that a nation that scores an "F" in the corruption index has the rhinos' best interest at heart.

You think they will take better, or worse care of rhinos when they know they are worth 300 thousand dollars?

If I were betting, I'd say they would take care of them so far as sick rhinos worth $350,000 were still around.

FWIW I read the original article and it said he got an exception to import the skin of the rhino from the US Fish and Wildlife Service. I doubt they would grant an exception if the government of Namibia were doing it in a sustainable manner healthy for the population.


A fair point.
 
2014-01-20 02:03:47 AM  
"I'm a hunter," Knowlton told WFAA. "I want to experience a black rhino. I want to be intimately involved with a black rhino. If I go over there and shoot it or not shoot it, it's beyond the point."

So if it doesn't matter, why are you going to shoot it? I bet a $350k donation will enable you to get "intimately involved" with a black rhino.

I get that it's an older, non-breeding male who's interfering with the breeding and needs to be removed for the good of the herd. But it's just grotesque to do it this way, for someone to shoot the animal because he wants the head on his wall or hide on his floor. It's contrary to the spirit of conservation.

And there's nothing that says this animal will die quickly and painlessly from the first shot. It could die slowly and painfully, terrorized, trying to run with a bullet in it's leg.

And not that it's a logical argument against the shooting, but I seriously wonder about a person who wants to do this. Who wants to travel to see an animal in it's natural habitat, get fairly close and then just shoot it? It seems so pointless, why do you want to watch this animal die, why do you want to be the cause of death?

I used to go hunting with my dad, we ate everything we got. I have family members who hunt and I eat the meat from animals they've shot. And no, none of us need to hunt for food, but we do need food and it's really not any different from buying meat in the grocery store. I think if you eat meat, you can't really be opposed to hunting when the hunters eat their catch. But just shooting an animal for no good reason, just because it's big or exotic? It just feels wrong.
 
2014-01-20 02:07:03 AM  

Yogimus: RIGHTEOUS INDIGNATION!
MORAL SUPERIORITY!


wcinsights.com
 
2014-01-20 02:11:37 AM  

Launchpad1986: Well duh, dumbass. If you are willing going to hunt a defenseless ENDANGERED animal. Be prepared to pay the consequences. Watch one of the death threats is from Chuck Norris. I see a dodge ramming/running your dumbass over very soon. Grr sorry for the rant.. It freaking peeves me that a dumb fark wants to hunt an endangered species just because they are rare. If I ever meet/see him, his security guards would be no match for my adrenaline fuel hatred I would give him through a pair of classic brass knuckles.


a) Suuuuure, you will, Mr ITG.
b) More likely driving a Prius than a Dodge.
c) Chuck Norris is a little old biatch.
d) See [a]. Your "adrenaline-fueled hatred" (to use proper spelling and grammar) would be a damp squib; you'd quake, but cower, muttering something along the lines of "...because..." followed by some excuse for your being all bark and no bite.
 
2014-01-20 02:18:32 AM  

Phins: "I'm a hunter," Knowlton told WFAA. "I want to experience a black rhino. I want to be intimately involved with a black rhino. If I go over there and shoot it or not shoot it, it's beyond the point."

So if it doesn't matter, why are you going to shoot it? I bet a $350k donation will enable you to get "intimately involved" with a black rhino.

I get that it's an older, non-breeding male who's interfering with the breeding and needs to be removed for the good of the herd. But it's just grotesque to do it this way, for someone to shoot the animal because he wants the head on his wall or hide on his floor. It's contrary to the spirit of conservation.

And there's nothing that says this animal will die quickly and painlessly from the first shot. It could die slowly and painfully, terrorized, trying to run with a bullet in it's leg.

And not that it's a logical argument against the shooting, but I seriously wonder about a person who wants to do this. Who wants to travel to see an animal in it's natural habitat, get fairly close and then just shoot it? It seems so pointless, why do you want to watch this animal die, why do you want to be the cause of death?

I used to go hunting with my dad, we ate everything we got. I have family members who hunt and I eat the meat from animals they've shot. And no, none of us need to hunt for food, but we do need food and it's really not any different from buying meat in the grocery store. I think if you eat meat, you can't really be opposed to hunting when the hunters eat their catch. But just shooting an animal for no good reason, just because it's big or exotic? It just feels wrong.


I mean that's more or less the goal when I go hunting for deer or turkey. He's also donating all the meat to the local tribes, so it's not just a waste.

I get people not liking sport hunting. I don't do it myself. I just don't really see an issue where it's substantially contributing to the maintenance and expansion of the species. Hell even most guys I know who deer hunt will pass on a younger buck or a doe for something older and larger. They more more meat, even if it's not as good, and they don't mind the set of antlers.
 
2014-01-20 02:19:48 AM  
Oh, I'd imagine most of you that are screaming about him being an asshole have never done anything for conservation except bought things that were advertized on the National Georgrapic channel.  Probably most of you have never been in the woods unless you had a scout leader take you down to the local park to camp.
 
2014-01-20 02:28:24 AM  

Secret Agent X23: I want to be intimately involved with a black rhino.

TMI, dude.


Which, to you, means "kill it". Your security perimeter is facing the wrong way.
 
2014-01-20 02:37:22 AM  
I don't understand the outrage over this damn rhino.
It's old, it's non reproductive and it's aggressive. They were planning on culling it for these reasons. Instead they decided to auction the culling part to a hunter, and in doing so raise badly needed funds for conservation.
Who gives a shiat if it's not sportsmanlike? It's a culling. This douchebag hunter guy is doing more for rhino conservation than all the people who want him and his children dead put together. And people think the hunter is the misguided bloodthirsty idiot in this scenario?
 
2014-01-20 02:47:45 AM  

WaffleStomper: Oh, I'd imagine most of you that are screaming about him being an asshole have never done anything for conservation except bought things that were advertized on the National Georgrapic channel.  Probably most of you have never been in the woods unless you had a scout leader take you down to the local park to camp.


I buy free-trade coffee and I carry it home in reusable grocery bags. Does that count?  Have I earned the right to wharrgarbl about a rhino they were going to cull anyway?
 
2014-01-20 02:48:31 AM  

Bonobo62: WaffleStomper: Oh, I'd imagine most of you that are screaming about him being an asshole have never done anything for conservation except bought things that were advertized on the National Georgrapic channel.  Probably most of you have never been in the woods unless you had a scout leader take you down to the local park to camp.

I buy free-trade coffee and I carry it home in reusable grocery bags. Does that count?  Have I earned the right to wharrgarbl about a rhino they were going to cull anyway?


What kind of reusable grocery bags are they?
 
2014-01-20 02:48:53 AM  

doglover: He's a hunter. fark him. He knows how the game works.

You're sitting at home, peacefully eating lunch with your family when BLAM a bullet rips out your lungs. You gasp uselessly as blood froths out of mouth and collapse. The last thing you see in your tunnel vision is your wife and children covered in your blood as you fall to the floor. A man in an orange vest kicks in your door and starts to decapitate you, because all he wanted was your head on his wall, but while your family is running away he takes a nice long look at your son and says "Soon, I'm coming back for him!"


I read that in Joe Pesci's voice.
 
2014-01-20 03:13:28 AM  

Dear Jerk: The hunter becomes the hunted. mlol*.

*muahahaha


You know it.

www.filmwerk.co.uk
 
2014-01-20 03:15:02 AM  

Joe USer: The Southern Dandy: Perhaps the hunter would be OK with it if someone auctioned off the right to kill the hunter to the highest bidder, and then donated the proceeds to some hunting association.

Grow up.


I drive a Dodge Stratus!
 
2014-01-20 03:21:18 AM  

DrBenway: "I want to experience a black rhino. I want to be intimately involved with a black rhino." Damn, you are one sick kinky bastard, hoss. You make a video of that action and we can make some real money.

Not the brightest bulb on the marquee, though. If you're concerned about death threats, is it really a good idea to go on television where everyone can get a good look at you?


 super_grass: Way, way too many internet manliness experts in ITT.

That or just people who didn't RTFA and are looking for an excuse to dump on the guy.

Oh? Did I miss the part where his intention is to shoot a rhino with a camera?



Found one!
 
2014-01-20 03:40:37 AM  

sjcousins: I don't understand the outrage over this damn rhino.
It's old, it's non reproductive and it's aggressive. They were planning on culling it for these reasons. Instead they decided to auction the culling part to a hunter, and in doing so raise badly needed funds for conservation.
Who gives a shiat if it's not sportsmanlike? It's a culling. This douchebag hunter guy is doing more for rhino conservation than all the people who want him and his children dead put together. And people think the hunter is the misguided bloodthirsty idiot in this scenario?


See above Yogimus: Righteous indignation! Moral superiority!

Throw in some Basic ignorance as well.
 
2014-01-20 03:42:41 AM  
Maybe his cash will help with conservation but more likely it's a shakedown by Tanzania who know there are jerks out there who will pay handsomely to shoot an endangered species.
<p>
Any way, what a colossal ass of a man.
 
2014-01-20 03:49:49 AM  

drxym: Maybe his cash will help with conservation but more likely it's a shakedown by Tanzania who know there are jerks out there who will pay handsomely to shoot an endangered species.
<p>
Any way, what a colossal ass of a man.


I doubt Tanzania is getting any money from this, given that the hunt is in Namibia and over 2,000 miles away
 
2014-01-20 03:52:02 AM  

Fark It: violentsalvation: God the stupid comments just keep coming. WTF difference does it make? the animal is going to be killed either way. That part is wildlife management and conservation, it's not some reckless killing. I don't like trophy hunting but the other rhinos could use $350k steered at them. You guys can have the next one if you can find a preserve or zoo able to take it, fund and find a way to move it, and match the winning bid on the next hunt. That's it, you can do as much for the species as a trophy hunter. Get to work.

This thread has convinced me to put hog-hunting from a helicopter on my bucket list.


These threads remind me of how kneejerky people are. And I get their reactions, but come on dorks, bring this discussion back down to reality. If we lived in a perfect world there would be a zoo for this old bastard, but we don't have that world yet.
 
2014-01-20 03:55:22 AM  

DrPainMD: doglover: He's a hunter. fark him. He knows how the game works.

You're sitting at home, peacefully eating lunch with your family when BLAM a bullet rips out your lungs. You gasp uselessly as blood froths out of mouth and collapse. The last thing you see in your tunnel vision is your wife and children covered in your blood as you fall to the floor. A man in an orange vest kicks in your door and starts to decapitate you, because all he wanted was your head on his wall, but while your family is running away he takes a nice long look at your son and says "Soon, I'm coming back for him!"

I read that in Joe Pesci's voice.


You Bastard! Now i can't read it any other way.
 
2014-01-20 04:34:10 AM  

DrPainMD: doglover: ecmoRandomNumbers: doglover: He's a hunter. fark him. He knows how the game works.

You're sitting at home, peacefully eating lunch with your family when BLAM a bullet rips out your lungs. You gasp uselessly as blood froths out of mouth and collapse. The last thing you see in your tunnel vision is your wife and children covered in your blood as you fall to the floor. A man in an orange vest kicks in your door and starts to decapitate you, because all he wanted was your head on his wall, but while your family is running away he takes a nice long look at your son and says "Soon, I'm coming back for him!"

Jesus.

Animals are conscious beings. Just because they're tasty and you're ignorant doesn't mean that they're some kind of meat robot. They've each got moods, personalities, memories. Even hive insects of exceedingly uniform nature, like ants, have some variations and learn by experience.

So, they do indeed have a valid perspective of what hunting is like from their end. The only hunters I respect in the day of industrial slaughter houses and high powered rifles are sniper scouts, or "hunters of gunmen" as they dub themselves.

Anyone else is cheating because animals can't shoot back.

Yet, you don't feel like a douchebag mass murderer when you scrape all the dead insects off of the front bumper of your car while washing it, do you?


What am I, funny to you? Am I some kind of clown, here to amuse you?

;)

/Seriously, though, ever crushed a bug between your fingers as it struggled for its life? Felt Death come for it with your own skin? The person who doesn't feel bad after that is a monster.
 
2014-01-20 04:35:51 AM  
Originally it was supposed to be a hunt for an aggressive male of non-breeding age.  I don't know what kind of weirdo pays a small fortune to do that, but at least it wasn't pure evil.

Then it turned out they killed a pregnant female.  Of an endangered species.  Of course it's no surprise the idiot who would find this appealing wouldn't give a crap.
 
2014-01-20 04:40:23 AM  

doglover: DrPainMD: doglover: ecmoRandomNumbers: doglover: He's a hunter. fark him. He knows how the game works.

You're sitting at home, peacefully eating lunch with your family when BLAM a bullet rips out your lungs. You gasp uselessly as blood froths out of mouth and collapse. The last thing you see in your tunnel vision is your wife and children covered in your blood as you fall to the floor. A man in an orange vest kicks in your door and starts to decapitate you, because all he wanted was your head on his wall, but while your family is running away he takes a nice long look at your son and says "Soon, I'm coming back for him!"

Jesus.

Animals are conscious beings. Just because they're tasty and you're ignorant doesn't mean that they're some kind of meat robot. They've each got moods, personalities, memories. Even hive insects of exceedingly uniform nature, like ants, have some variations and learn by experience.

So, they do indeed have a valid perspective of what hunting is like from their end. The only hunters I respect in the day of industrial slaughter houses and high powered rifles are sniper scouts, or "hunters of gunmen" as they dub themselves.

Anyone else is cheating because animals can't shoot back.

Yet, you don't feel like a douchebag mass murderer when you scrape all the dead insects off of the front bumper of your car while washing it, do you?

What am I, funny to you? Am I some kind of clown, here to amuse you?

;)

/Seriously, though, ever crushed a bug between your fingers as it struggled for its life? Felt Death come for it with your own skin? The person who doesn't feel bad after that is a monster.


Ok
 
2014-01-20 04:41:22 AM  

Arcanum: Originally it was supposed to be a hunt for an aggressive male of non-breeding age.  I don't know what kind of weirdo pays a small fortune to do that, but at least it wasn't pure evil.

Then it turned out they killed a pregnant female.  Of an endangered species.  Of course it's no surprise the idiot who would find this appealing wouldn't give a crap.


Well given that the USFW would call that a complete lie, I'd *love* to see a citation.
 
2014-01-20 04:53:01 AM  

violentsalvation: Fark It: violentsalvation: God the stupid comments just keep coming. WTF difference does it make? the animal is going to be killed either way. That part is wildlife management and conservation, it's not some reckless killing. I don't like trophy hunting but the other rhinos could use $350k steered at them. You guys can have the next one if you can find a preserve or zoo able to take it, fund and find a way to move it, and match the winning bid on the next hunt. That's it, you can do as much for the species as a trophy hunter. Get to work.

This thread has convinced me to put hog-hunting from a helicopter on my bucket list.

These threads remind me of how kneejerky people are. And I get their reactions, but come on dorks, bring this discussion back down to reality. If we lived in a perfect world there would be a zoo for this old bastard, but we don't have that world yet.


I am okay with the rhino hunting thing, for all the reasons given many times over in this thread - seriously, the real bad guys are the poachers and their asshole customers, spend this energy on them - but I can understand why it rubs people the wrong way.

It's sort of like the thing about the people who really really want to hold political office being the last ones who should, or the way we think it's fine that euthanising puppies is part of someone's job but we might look askance at the guy who kept begging for that assignment (especially if he kept talking about intimacy).

This guy didn't just put in $500 for a charity rhino-hunt lottery and happen to get picked, he wasn't a big conservation donor surprised with a chance to participate in a cull, he isn't even some uberwealthy douche who would've otherwise just blown the $350K on a weekend in Vegas. He seems to just really want to kill this rhino SO. VERY. FARKING. MUCH. (and/or his partner wants the carcass that badly).

Not that he should be threatened or anything, but I get why he isn't viewed very sympathetically.

/if the news were  about a Namibian park ranger putting down an elderly rhino, no one would notice
//I do wonder how much incentive this gives them to find other rhinos that "need" culling
 
2014-01-20 05:12:02 AM  

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: violentsalvation: Fark It: violentsalvation: God the stupid comments just keep coming. WTF difference does it make? the animal is going to be killed either way. That part is wildlife management and conservation, it's not some reckless killing. I don't like trophy hunting but the other rhinos could use $350k steered at them. You guys can have the next one if you can find a preserve or zoo able to take it, fund and find a way to move it, and match the winning bid on the next hunt. That's it, you can do as much for the species as a trophy hunter. Get to work.

This thread has convinced me to put hog-hunting from a helicopter on my bucket list.

These threads remind me of how kneejerky people are. And I get their reactions, but come on dorks, bring this discussion back down to reality. If we lived in a perfect world there would be a zoo for this old bastard, but we don't have that world yet.

I am okay with the rhino hunting thing, for all the reasons given many times over in this thread - seriously, the real bad guys are the poachers and their asshole customers, spend this energy on them - but I can understand why it rubs people the wrong way.

It's sort of like the thing about the people who really really want to hold political office being the last ones who should, or the way we think it's fine that euthanising puppies is part of someone's job but we might look askance at the guy who kept begging for that assignment (especially if he kept talking about intimacy).

This guy didn't just put in $500 for a charity rhino-hunt lottery and happen to get picked, he wasn't a big conservation donor surprised with a chance to participate in a cull, he isn't even some uberwealthy douche who would've otherwise just blown the $350K on a weekend in Vegas. He seems to just really want to kill this rhino SO. VERY. FARKING. MUCH. (and/or his partner wants the carcass that badly).

Not that he should be threatened or anything, but I get why he isn't viewed very sympathetically.

/if th ...


Given that the USFW already greenlit an exactly similar scenario, the odds are pretty low that Namibia is doing this for the lulz or only the cash.
 
2014-01-20 05:24:05 AM  
And?
 
2014-01-20 05:30:47 AM  
B-b-b-b-bbut!!! I'm a complete, total, creepy, f**ked-up asshole who is within his rights!!!

WHY don't nobody love me? I'm rich!
I'm ENTITLED to be loved, dammit!
 
2014-01-20 05:34:02 AM  
Probably covered elsewhere by the thread already.

1: This rhino is going to get killed no matter what. If it's going to die, you might as well charge someone out the ass to do it. That's a $350,000 luxury. He's not getting a return on his investment. Why does he need death threats when he's basically throwing $350,000 down a hole to shoot an animal? I'd be okay with an asshole losing $350,000 because he's an asshole.

2: Rhino is non-breeding, meaning he's already sired all of his children. At that age, it becomes a danger to younger rhinos meaning keeping it alive in the wild is more detrimental to the species' viability than culling it.

3: The rhino horn isn't going to Chinese traditional medicine. He's not poaching this animal. The 'trophy' will be under close surveillance after he offs it. He isn't going to be able to sell it in the U.S.A. more than likely due to the Endangered Species Act.

4: Things have to die sometime. I think putting a rhino out of its misery with a quick, clean kill after a long life of evading predators, farking female rhinos, eating plants, and being lucky enough to avoid being poached and tortured before it's even dead... is a better fate than a slow, painful death by hyenas, lions, or... getting poached and tortured to death. This hunting permit is more 'humane' than nature itself, including human nature to simply tranq it, saw off its horn and leave it there to bleed out in excruciating pain.

5: Putting this animal in a zoo is a bad idea. Considering its advanced age, nothing is going to stop it from keeling over and dying a day after it shows up. Without the animal capable of breeding, no zoo wants to waste the money on food and care for an animal that is a drain on their limited funds without any return on their investment. If it can't breed, and if it's going to be a danger to other animals in its enclosure or surroundings... no zoo will want to keep it. They have to think financially and economically as well. There's no 'rehabilitating' from the effects of aging.

6: This is the morally correct outcome to a complicated situation. If people care about nature so much, they will recognize that a clean, documented kill for this animal which is paid for handsomely to the tune of $350,000 to the government's conservation efforts is the correct path to take. A non-breeding, aggressive animal that has no value to a zoo or menagerie. That will not be illegally poached, but legally culled.

This animal is getting a better fate than the unfortunate fellow members of its species who die agonizing, painful deaths from the effects of poaching and hyena/lion attacks.
 
2014-01-20 05:39:01 AM  

Weatherkiss: Probably covered elsewhere by the thread already.

1: This rhino is going to get killed no matter what. If it's going to die, you might as well charge someone out the ass to do it. That's a $350,000 luxury. He's not getting a return on his investment. Why does he need death threats when he's basically throwing $350,000 down a hole to shoot an animal? I'd be okay with an asshole losing $350,000 because he's an asshole.

2: Rhino is non-breeding, meaning he's already sired all of his children. At that age, it becomes a danger to younger rhinos meaning keeping it alive in the wild is more detrimental to the species' viability than culling it.

3: The rhino horn isn't going to Chinese traditional medicine. He's not poaching this animal. The 'trophy' will be under close surveillance after he offs it. He isn't going to be able to sell it in the U.S.A. more than likely due to the Endangered Species Act.

4: Things have to die sometime. I think putting a rhino out of its misery with a quick, clean kill after a long life of evading predators, farking female rhinos, eating plants, and being lucky enough to avoid being poached and tortured before it's even dead... is a better fate than a slow, painful death by hyenas, lions, or... getting poached and tortured to death. This hunting permit is more 'humane' than nature itself, including human nature to simply tranq it, saw off its horn and leave it there to bleed out in excruciating pain.

5: Putting this animal in a zoo is a bad idea. Considering its advanced age, nothing is going to stop it from keeling over and dying a day after it shows up. Without the animal capable of breeding, no zoo wants to waste the money on food and care for an animal that is a drain on their limited funds without any return on their investment. If it can't breed, and if it's going to be a danger to other animals in its enclosure or surroundings... no zoo will want to keep it. They have to think financially and economically as well. There's no 'rehabi ...


You're knowledgeable view of this situation makes me outraged sir!
 
2014-01-20 05:40:27 AM  

redmid17: Given that the USFW already greenlit an exactly similar scenario, the odds are pretty low that Namibia is doing this for the lulz or only the cash.


I didn't say they were. But I think it's entirely possible for the potential to bring in $350K per rhino to influence decisions about how to manage the herd. I don't see how the USFWS would police that.
 
2014-01-20 05:47:08 AM  

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: redmid17: Given that the USFW already greenlit an exactly similar scenario, the odds are pretty low that Namibia is doing this for the lulz or only the cash.

I didn't say they were. But I think it's entirely possible for the potential to bring in $350K per rhino to influence decisions about how to manage the herd. I don't see how the USFWS would police that.


If the USFW doesn't sign off on the rhino skin import, like they did in 2009 and this guy wants them to, well the hunt isn't quite as worthwhile. However given that the (inferior) WWF, Namibia, and likely the USFW will sign off on this basically tells me that this is as kosher as a sunday hen.
 
2014-01-20 06:07:05 AM  

redmid17: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: redmid17: Given that the USFW already greenlit an exactly similar scenario, the odds are pretty low that Namibia is doing this for the lulz or only the cash.

I didn't say they were. But I think it's entirely possible for the potential to bring in $350K per rhino to influence decisions about how to manage the herd. I don't see how the USFWS would police that.

If the USFW doesn't sign off on the rhino skin import, like they did in 2009 and this guy wants them to, well the hunt isn't quite as worthwhile. However given that the (inferior) WWF, Namibia, and likely the USFW will sign off on this basically tells me that this is as kosher as a sunday hen.


I think it unlikely that USFWS are micromanaging over the shoulder of Namibia's wildlife management, and even if they were it would probably still be trivial for the relevant authorities to exaggerate the need to cull any given rhino. And again, I'm not saying this hunt isn't kosher, I'm just saying that it highlights a clear incentive for "when in doubt, cull."
 
2014-01-20 08:14:16 AM  
needs more
 
2014-01-20 08:32:33 AM  
Has anyone mentioned that the money he paid is to kill an old rhino that cann
 
2014-01-20 08:33:41 AM  
The money he paid will go toward maintaining the preserve the other rhinos live on... shiat ain't free.
 
2014-01-20 08:43:54 AM  
Cewley [TotalFark]
2014-01-19 04:33:49 PM


How to you spell farking Asshole?[/quot]
A-n-i-m-a-l
r-i-g-h-t-s
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2014-01-20 08:45:28 AM  

Needlessly Complicated [TotalFark]


Are we supposed to feel bad for him or... what?

Another TF'er supporting the murder of a man for beliefs that don't line up with his/her own.

Nothing new here. Calls for murder by the left are allowed by fark mods. Which seems to apply support for those beliefs.
 
2014-01-20 09:00:11 AM  
The way I see it, this man has bought a rare gift - he's bought the experience of what it feels to be a hunted animal that he may be one with the prey.
 
2014-01-20 09:02:47 AM  

Kit Fister: Enjoying the act of hunting as a sport to many/most isn't about the killing, but the act of testing yourself against nature.


Shooting something at 1000 yards with a high power rifle where you were in no danger and the animal was not attacking you isn't testing yourself against nature.

Want to test yourself against nature? Be more like our ancestors and run the animal to exhaustion before you put it down with spears or an atlatl and arrow. That's sporting. Guns for hunting are not very sportsmanlike.
 
2014-01-20 09:27:03 AM  

OnlyM3: Another TF'er supporting the murder of a man for beliefs that don't line up with his/her own.


Not murder, herd culling.
 
2014-01-20 09:36:00 AM  
Next time. Don't announce to the planet you're going hunting.  And for fark's sake, if you do, have a few news conferences where you emphasize that the guy you paid the money to is the one who set the rhino up. If you're going to be threatened, you might as well have the other bastard in fear for his life too.
 
2014-01-20 09:40:04 AM  

Kit Fister: I came here to point out that this hunt was of an animal well past it's breeding years that is aggressive and prevents younger males from breeding, thus stymying the growth of the population, and thus actually a hindrance to maintaining a healthy population. Also I was going to point out that the government of Nairobi has one of the best conservation programs in the world and that they use the money from this hunt to further the program to preserve the species as a whole. Finally I was going to point out that this animal would be killed either way, in order to preserve the herd, and making money off of it to continue the program was a side benefit.

Glad to see it was already mentioned.


This. Jesus Christ Fark, you are becoming more and more irrelevant. You would have learned ^^this^^ in the Reddit thread that was 2 days ago and the top comment.

But carry on with your ignorant hate parade.
 
2014-01-20 09:41:00 AM  

ultraholland: I want to experience a black rhino. I want to be intimately involved with a black rhino.

wow, dude.


Secret Agent X23: I want to be intimately involved with a black rhino.

TMI, dude.


Once you go black....
 
2014-01-20 09:42:34 AM  

RexTalionis: Kit Fister: Enjoying the act of hunting as a sport to many/most isn't about the killing, but the act of testing yourself against nature.

Shooting something at 1000 yards with a high power rifle where you were in no danger and the animal was not attacking you isn't testing yourself against nature.

Want to test yourself against nature? Be more like our ancestors and run the animal to exhaustion before you put it down with spears or an atlatl and arrow. That's sporting. Guns for hunting are not very sportsmanlike.


First of all, no hunter in their right mind will take a shot at over 400 yards for something. At a grand? Good luck making the shot. I shoot competitive long-range rifle. At 1000 yards, with the best rifle money can buy, under perfect conditions, the rifle itself is not capable of less than 7" groups.  Could it be done? Absolutely. And thousand+ yard shots are taken at men all the time. But the chances of hitting a game animal and doing the proper damage to them? Less likely. And, then there's the matter of having to hump 1000 yards over terrain to find the site of the shot, and tracking the animal who, by now, has had more than enough chance to take off if you didn't quite drop it immediately.

Secondly, "testing yourself against nature" means a hell of a lot more than some ideal man vs. wild. I've hunted animals with spears. I went on a spear hunt for wild boar. And those little farkers are both vicious and tough to kill. I had one run right up the spear shaft trying to get to me, and I had to shoot it to kill it.  No, "Testing yourself against nature" means enduring the cold and the wet and the wind while remaining perfectly still, trying to ensure you're not in a position where your prey can smell you coming, trying to ensure that, even if you THINK you're still and quiet, you're not going to make some unexpected move that will alert your prey.  THAT'S the test.

But yes, do continue to be an idiot. :)
 
2014-01-20 09:48:54 AM  

Kit Fister: No, "Testing yourself against nature" means enduring the cold and the wet and the wind while remaining perfectly still, trying to ensure you're not in a position where your prey can smell you coming, trying to ensure that, even if you THINK you're still and quiet, you're not going to make some unexpected move that will alert your prey. THAT'S the test.


In this case, this guy is paying $350,000 to be lead to a reserve where that rhino happens to live and he gets to shoot it from the Jeep that the tour guides drove him around with. Real sportsmanlike, no?

Kit Fister: First of all, no hunter in their right mind will take a shot at over 400 yards for something. At a grand? Good luck making the shot. I shoot competitive long-range rifle.


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But yes, do continue to be an idiot. :)
 
2014-01-20 09:51:06 AM  

hardinparamedic: DamnYankees: No they wouldn't. Have you ever met an Indian? The ones I've met (and my father is an adopted member of the Oglala Sioux) call themselves Indians and think the other names are stupid.

I'm sure some Indians don't like the term, and if I meet one who doesn't like it I won't use it, but I've never met an Indian who was offended by it.

Generally though, they prefer to be called by their actual tribe name.

Indian:



Native American:

Seriously. Don't be that guy. You might as well say "My black friends say it's cool if I say the N word"


My mother worked for the IHS (Indian health service) and we lived on the Navajo reservation....they used the nomenclature "Indian" frequently as a casual, informal term, Native American is a more formal, and far less used term. Like a poster pointed out earlier, they prefer to be called by their tribe name. The name Navajo is actually a derogatory title given to them by the spainiards meaning thief IIRC....they call themselves Dine (din-eh) which means "the people"
 
2014-01-20 09:59:52 AM  

RexTalionis: Kit Fister: No, "Testing yourself against nature" means enduring the cold and the wet and the wind while remaining perfectly still, trying to ensure you're not in a position where your prey can smell you coming, trying to ensure that, even if you THINK you're still and quiet, you're not going to make some unexpected move that will alert your prey. THAT'S the test.

In this case, this guy is paying $350,000 to be lead to a reserve where that rhino happens to live and he gets to shoot it from the Jeep that the tour guides drove him around with. Real sportsmanlike, no?

Kit Fister: First of all, no hunter in their right mind will take a shot at over 400 yards for something. At a grand? Good luck making the shot. I shoot competitive long-range rifle.

[cdn.riveraveblues.com image 235x206]

But yes, do continue to be an idiot. :)


The animal in question would be killed either way, this way they get $350k to do it.  Who's missing the point, now?
 
2014-01-20 10:00:07 AM  
People are retarded. The rhino he is going to shoot is older, non-reproducing and actually competing with breeding-aged males for females.

The conservation wardens were going to shoot this rhino anyway, this way they get $350k towards helping the rhino population
 
2014-01-20 10:00:24 AM  

RexTalionis: Kit Fister: Enjoying the act of hunting as a sport to many/most isn't about the killing, but the act of testing yourself against nature.

Shooting something at 1000 yards with a high power rifle where you were in no danger and the animal was not attacking you isn't testing yourself against nature.

Want to test yourself against nature? Be more like our ancestors and run the animal to exhaustion before you put it down with spears or an atlatl and arrow. That's sporting. Guns for hunting are not very sportsmanlike.


No, they're not.

That's why I use landmines.
 
2014-01-20 10:05:15 AM  
It's like no one's done business in Africa, before.
 
2014-01-20 10:09:43 AM  
BAH GAWD KING! IT'S RHINO! GORE! GORE! GORE!

www.obsessedwithwrestling.com
 
2014-01-20 10:10:56 AM  

RexTalionis: Want to test yourself against nature? Be more like our ancestors and run the animal to exhaustion before you put it down with spears or an atlatl and arrow. That's sporting. Guns for hunting are not very sportsmanlike.


Why is an atlatl an acceptable stopping point for technology, but a gun isn't?  You should have to invade the animals blood stream and fight off its immune system until it dies, like our single-celled ancestors did.

/ I don't know how single celled organisms killed each other, but that would have been a better analogy.
 
2014-01-20 10:13:24 AM  

RexTalionis: Kit Fister: No, "Testing yourself against nature" means enduring the cold and the wet and the wind while remaining perfectly still, trying to ensure you're not in a position where your prey can smell you coming, trying to ensure that, even if you THINK you're still and quiet, you're not going to make some unexpected move that will alert your prey. THAT'S the test.

In this case, this guy is paying $350,000 to be lead to a reserve where that rhino happens to live and he gets to shoot it from the Jeep that the tour guides drove him around with. Real sportsmanlike, no?

Kit Fister: First of all, no hunter in their right mind will take a shot at over 400 yards for something. At a grand? Good luck making the shot. I shoot competitive long-range rifle.

[cdn.riveraveblues.com image 235x206]

But yes, do continue to be an idiot. :)


No, I got your "point". I was pointing out that you were factually incorrect and that there was more to it than just shooting an animal. Spear, Bow, or Gun, there's a hell of a lot more to it.

You seem to assume a lot.
 
2014-01-20 10:17:03 AM  

serial_crusher: Why is an atlatl an acceptable stopping point for technology, but a gun isn't?


Have you TRIED one of those things? I couldn't even hit the ground with it. Rifles are more like point and click technology.
 
2014-01-20 10:25:50 AM  

doglover: serial_crusher: Why is an atlatl an acceptable stopping point for technology, but a gun isn't?

Have you TRIED one of those things? I couldn't even hit the ground with it. Rifles are more like point and click technology.


you know how i know you've never tried to be accurate with a rifle?
 
2014-01-20 10:27:28 AM  

Kit Fister: No, I got your "point". I was pointing out that you were factually incorrect and that there was more to it than just shooting an animal. Spear, Bow, or Gun, there's a hell of a lot more to it.


You know how they hunt in the African preserves? They don't sit out in a blind for hours, enduring hunger and the cold and wait for something to pass by.

They drive around in a Jeep and they shoot at animals from the safety and comfort of a jeep.

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REAL SPORTSMANLIKE.
 
2014-01-20 10:29:15 AM  
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www.bowkrazy.com
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Look at all these big tough men, braving the elements and stalking and killing an animal.
 
2014-01-20 10:31:10 AM  

RexTalionis: Kit Fister: No, I got your "point". I was pointing out that you were factually incorrect and that there was more to it than just shooting an animal. Spear, Bow, or Gun, there's a hell of a lot more to it.

You know how they hunt in the African preserves? They don't sit out in a blind for hours, enduring hunger and the cold and wait for something to pass by.

They drive around in a Jeep and they shoot at animals from the safety and comfort of a jeep.

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REAL SPORTSMANLIKE.


If you don't like it, then hunt the way you prefer.

/ you're not a real man unless you can take down a grizzly with your bear hands while wearing a blindfold
// pun intended
 
2014-01-20 10:37:14 AM  
jshine:
/ you're not a real man unless you can take down a grizzly with your bear hands while wearing a blindfold
// pun intended



Or, for bonus points, cow it into submission using only a stern facial expression.
 
2014-01-20 10:49:51 AM  

jshine: jshine:
/ you're not a real man unless you can take down a grizzly with your bear hands while wearing a blindfold
// pun intended


Or, for bonus points, cow it into submission using only a stern facial expression.


Hey now, the only man to successfully do that is Vlad Putin. After studying at the Chuck Norris school of badassery.
 
2014-01-20 10:59:10 AM  

RexTalionis: Kit Fister: No, I got your "point". I was pointing out that you were factually incorrect and that there was more to it than just shooting an animal. Spear, Bow, or Gun, there's a hell of a lot more to it.

You know how they hunt in the African preserves? They don't sit out in a blind for hours, enduring hunger and the cold and wait for something to pass by.

They drive around in a Jeep and they shoot at animals from the safety and comfort of a jeep.

[cache.desktopnexus.com image 450x339]

REAL SPORTSMANLIKE.


So, let's review:

A typical African Black Rhino weighs .75-1.5 Tons. (up to 1400KG).  Add to that, the black rhinos in question are older, aggressive males with a top speed of 35 MPH, are highly territorial, and extremely aggressive (which is why the non-breeding elder males are culled).  They have excellent eyesight and smell, and hearing.

As a size comparison:

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Given the above, Yes, they drive out in groups, because if a rhino bull charges the vehicle, you face slightly less than certain death from it crushing you. A human is not going to outrun a charging bull rhino.

Also, they don't hunt from the vehicle. They drive into the preserve to get close, and then stalk on foot until they have set up the shot. If the rhino catches wind of them, or senses them, the bull can charge, and you're finished.

So, in terms of risk being taken? There's a huge one even in a truck. And bull male rhinos and elephants both can and DO charge vehicles for encroaching on territory.

This isn't a case of spotlighting deer at night and taking advantage of momentary blindness/paralysis from the shock. This isn't a case of some asshole riding a deer down on horseback or in a vehicle and shooting it. This isn't a case of penning the rhino and killing it like a cow.

Honestly, this is even more of a big win for the Nairobi officials: Make $350k, send some dumb white guy into the Rhino's territory to hunt the animal knowing how badly it can fark up your day instead of one of your own folks, and get rid of an aggressive animal that endangers the herd.
 
2014-01-20 11:00:24 AM  

Kit Fister: RexTalionis: Kit Fister: Enjoying the act of hunting as a sport to many/most isn't about the killing, but the act of testing yourself against nature.

Shooting something at 1000 yards with a high power rifle where you were in no danger and the animal was not attacking you isn't testing yourself against nature.

Want to test yourself against nature? Be more like our ancestors and run the animal to exhaustion before you put it down with spears or an atlatl and arrow. That's sporting. Guns for hunting are not very sportsmanlike.

First of all, no hunter in their right mind will take a shot at over 400 yards for something. At a grand? Good luck making the shot. I shoot competitive long-range rifle. At 1000 yards, with the best rifle money can buy, under perfect conditions, the rifle itself is not capable of less than 7" groups.  Could it be done? Absolutely. And thousand+ yard shots are taken at men all the time. But the chances of hitting a game animal and doing the proper damage to them? Less likely. And, then there's the matter of having to hump 1000 yards over terrain to find the site of the shot, and tracking the animal who, by now, has had more than enough chance to take off if you didn't quite drop it immediately.

Secondly, "testing yourself against nature" means a hell of a lot more than some ideal man vs. wild. I've hunted animals with spears. I went on a spear hunt for wild boar. And those little farkers are both vicious and tough to kill. I had one run right up the spear shaft trying to get to me, and I had to shoot it to kill it.  No, "Testing yourself against nature" means enduring the cold and the wet and the wind while remaining perfectly still, trying to ensure you're not in a position where your prey can smell you coming, trying to ensure that, even if you THINK you're still and quiet, you're not going to make some unexpected move that will alert your prey.  THAT'S the test.

But yes, do continue to be an idiot. :)


Uh, the whole 7" grouping barrier is long since passed...
 
2014-01-20 11:07:19 AM  

DeathByGeekSquad: Uh, the whole 7" grouping barrier is long since passed...


You're right. I failed to google the best groups ever.

So if you're Tom Sarver, yep, you can probably pull it off.
 
2014-01-20 11:22:20 AM  
Two analogies that I think bear on this:

Around the turn of the 20th century, or thereabouts, medical experimentation came into vogue, but doctors and scientists were always at a loss for subjects to experiment on.  For a time, one obvious target for seeking subjects was from among condemned prisoners.  The thinking was, these guys were on the chopping block anyway, why pass up the opportunity to gain some meaningful scientific knowledge from them before they kick it.

Something people might be more familiar with is the question of what to do with the discoveries from Nazi scientists who had experimented on concentration camp victims.  The thinking went, those people are already dead, so why squander the discoveries made from their lives just because it was made through evil means by evil people?

In both cases, we as a society eventually erred on the side of waste.  We don't experiment on the condemned, even if they're going to die anyway.  Experimenting on vulnerable populations is immoral, and waste is preferable to that wrong.  We also largely discarded the work by Nazi researchers because it was immoral.  It doesn't matter that we were forced to essentially re-discover knowledge people had already died for, the waste was preferable to the wrong.

I think that's the core point people would make here.  Yes, this is a rhino who will likely have to die anyway, and yes the money received from the hunt will finance conservation efforts, but that's not enough.  Sport hunting an endangered species is wrong, and the waste of whatever profit could have been derived from hunting that animal or harvesting its carcass is preferable to the wrong.  If the animal needs to be put down, then have a game warden do it, and burn the carcass or leave it to be consumed naturally.  Earn the conservation money the right way.
 
2014-01-20 11:27:45 AM  

Secret Agent X23: I want to be intimately involved with a black rhino.

TMI, dude.


Ving Rhames, I presume?
 
2014-01-20 11:28:18 AM  

violentsalvation: God the stupid comments just keep coming. WTF difference does it make? the animal is going to be killed either way. That part is wildlife management and conservation, it's not some reckless killing. I don't like trophy hunting but the other rhinos could use $350k steered at them. You guys can have the next one if you can find a preserve or zoo able to take it, fund and find a way to move it, and match the winning bid on the next hunt. That's it, you can do as much for the species as a trophy hunter. Get to work.


That's an oxymoron. You can conserve it or you can manage it, but they're not the same thing, despite all the pretty words invented to make it seem so. Humans are mostly in the wildlife management business nowadays, since we screwed everything up so badly that we have no choice now. And partly because we're greedy farkers, and haha, why would we just leave anything the hell alone? We don't do that.

The Nature Conservancy does conservation, mostly. Every wildlife agency in the country does management, mostly. The environmental groups that whine about every single thing would like to do conservation, but they ignore one simple thing--we don't get to do that anymore. This is not the Garden of Eden; we've moved way beyond that, and now we have to manage.

This is an ongoing argument even among people who do this stuff for a living. If you want to conserve, join the Sierra Club and write letters. If you want an actual job with wildlife, you have to do management.
But shooting shiat does not translate into "conservation." That's just a word we use as greedy assholes to make ourselves feel better.
 
2014-01-20 11:30:43 AM  

Nuuu: We also largely discarded the work by Nazi researchers because it was immoral. It doesn't matter that we were forced to essentially re-discover knowledge people had already died for, the waste was preferable to the wrong.


http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/3561733?uid=29163&uid=3739736& ui d=29162&uid=2&uid=3&uid=67&uid=62&uid=3739256&sid=21103300782397

The Nazi data are widely used in hypothermia studies, even decades after the war.
 
2014-01-20 11:32:23 AM  

Nuuu: Sport hunting an endangered species is wrong, and the waste of whatever profit could have been derived from hunting that animal or harvesting its carcass is preferable to the wrong. If the animal needs to be put down, then have a game warden do it, and burn the carcass or leave it to be consumed naturally. Earn the conservation money the right way.


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2014-01-20 11:50:15 AM  

Nuuu: Two analogies that I think bear on this:

Around the turn of the 20th century, or thereabouts, medical experimentation came into vogue, but doctors and scientists were always at a loss for subjects to experiment on.  For a time, one obvious target for seeking subjects was from among condemned prisoners.  The thinking was, these guys were on the chopping block anyway, why pass up the opportunity to gain some meaningful scientific knowledge from them before they kick it.

Something people might be more familiar with is the question of what to do with the discoveries from Nazi scientists who had experimented on concentration camp victims.  The thinking went, those people are already dead, so why squander the discoveries made from their lives just because it was made through evil means by evil people?

In both cases, we as a society eventually erred on the side of waste.  We don't experiment on the condemned, even if they're going to die anyway.  Experimenting on vulnerable populations is immoral, and waste is preferable to that wrong.  We also largely discarded the work by Nazi researchers because it was immoral.  It doesn't matter that we were forced to essentially re-discover knowledge people had already died for, the waste was preferable to the wrong.

I think that's the core point people would make here.  Yes, this is a rhino who will likely have to die anyway, and yes the money received from the hunt will finance conservation efforts, but that's not enough.  Sport hunting an endangered species is wrong, and the waste of whatever profit could have been derived from hunting that animal or harvesting its carcass is preferable to the wrong.  If the animal needs to be put down, then have a game warden do it, and burn the carcass or leave it to be consumed naturally.  Earn the conservation money the right way.


We shall agree to disagree.
 
2014-01-20 12:04:56 PM  
We do some really stupid stuff in the name of "charity."
 
2014-01-20 12:14:09 PM  

jshine: Nuuu: Sport hunting an endangered species is wrong, and the waste of whatever profit could have been derived from hunting that animal or harvesting its carcass is preferable to the wrong. If the animal needs to be put down, then have a game warden do it, and burn the carcass or leave it to be consumed naturally. Earn the conservation money the right way.

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It's wrong because feelings!
 
2014-01-20 12:47:14 PM  
If you're really worried about your safety, then doing TV interviews, posing for cameras, and asking them to make sure they spelled your name and address correctly is probably not the best way to keep a low profile.

When I first heard about them auctioning off the hunt, I didn't like it, but as I read more, it made a lot more sense.  Certainly it makes no sense to say "You have no right to kill that animal, so I'm going to kill you".  That's just hypocritical.

But I'm not convinced he's actually being threatened, and I'm sure that he would be safer if he wasn't doing TV interviews to make sure that everyone knows who he is and what he looks like.
 
2014-01-20 12:49:04 PM  

periboob: What kind of pussy gets all excited hunting something that cant shoot back?


Sounds like you've never had hetero sex.
 
2014-01-20 12:54:16 PM  
So the hunter guy is worried about being hunted...

Funny...
 
2014-01-20 12:56:55 PM  
Is a black rhino harder to kill and hence requires more 'skill'?
I'm guessing no, so basically he just wants to kill something rare.

Dick.
 
2014-01-20 01:03:51 PM  

spqr_ca: Sport hunting is what put this species into endangerment


Citation needed.  Poaching for horns is not sport hunting.
 
2014-01-20 01:15:00 PM  

serial_crusher: Meh, the younger rhinos get the protection they need.  The conservationists get a ton of money to further conservation efforts.  The rich asshole gets an opportunity to be a rich asshole.

Sounds to me like everybody wins.


Yep.  There's really no downside for the rhino population since he's not breeding anymore and he's aggressive.  It will actually be good for the younger males, and improve the chances of successful breeding.  But don't tell that to the bunny huggers ... they don't want to hear about science when they like villainizing any kind of hunting as if it were the murder of a unicorn (even though they have no problem eating meat from a store that was killed for them by someone else).  This guy may be an ass for even wanting to kill a black rhino - but this particular rhino is going to need to be put down by the game manager anyway ... auctioning off the hunt just has the added benefit of riasing funds to go toward conservation efforts.  It's not the same as some billionaire being flown in to poach one in the wild.  It's actually the opposite.
 
2014-01-20 01:27:14 PM  

MLWS: Is a black rhino harder to kill and hence requires more 'skill'?
I'm guessing no, so basically he just wants to kill something rare.

Dick.


You guessed wrong.
 
2014-01-20 02:07:40 PM  

Kit Fister: DeathByGeekSquad: Uh, the whole 7" grouping barrier is long since passed...

You're right. I failed to google the best groups ever.

So if you're Tom Sarver, yep, you can probably pull it off.


Actually, from my Google-Fu, it seems that a number of folks hit that.  Additionally, I was able to pull up a series of images from a hunter who specialized in long shots on game animals.  I did not, however, post those here because of blood, etc - and clearly some people would go on a mission to get them removed regardless of how they fit into guidelines.

That being said, I'm in favor of the actions the Texan is taking, on the assumption that the information provided (money is actually going to conservation efforts, Rhino was flagged as a problem, etc) is correct.  I am an avid fisherman, and while I do take an occasional catch home, I'm mostly catch/release w/  substantial yearly donations to fish management/conservation.
 
2014-01-20 02:23:05 PM  
leaked on the Internet?  It was on the frickin' nightly news!
 
2014-01-20 02:48:27 PM  

DeathByGeekSquad: Kit Fister: DeathByGeekSquad: Uh, the whole 7" grouping barrier is long since passed...

You're right. I failed to google the best groups ever.

So if you're Tom Sarver, yep, you can probably pull it off.

Actually, from my Google-Fu, it seems that a number of folks hit that.  Additionally, I was able to pull up a series of images from a hunter who specialized in long shots on game animals.  I did not, however, post those here because of blood, etc - and clearly some people would go on a mission to get them removed regardless of how they fit into guidelines.

That being said, I'm in favor of the actions the Texan is taking, on the assumption that the information provided (money is actually going to conservation efforts, Rhino was flagged as a problem, etc) is correct.  I am an avid fisherman, and while I do take an occasional catch home, I'm mostly catch/release w/  substantial yearly donations to fish management/conservation.


Yeah. Basically, what I know from the long range competition circuit is this:

1. only about 1% of shooters taking long range shots are going to make it into the rarefied zone of, let's say, Quarter-to-Half MOA shots at a thousand yards. As you say, there're people who can do it -- and that have developed a number of custom tweaks to make it possible. If you look at what they use and so on, it's pretty indicative that the whole process is not done with even an exceptional hunting rifle, but a purpose-built tool.

2. Only about 10% of shooters are going to make it at or under MOA at a grand without some serious hardware to back it up, and even then, maybe 20% of shooters would be able to take customized hardware and make those kind of consistent shots.

3. Of the remaining people that even contemplate it, the basic skills of wind, elevation, coriolis effect, ballistic trajectory, etc. are things that they really don't understand well enough to do more than walk in a shot by trial and error. (USMC sniper courses, as an example, requires accuracy ratings in the MOA-or-under category, and has a very high rate of attrition because people just can't make the shots)

So, yeah, there're people that are excellent shooters who use that skill to make extremely long range kills on game. Then there are people who have no business trying to make that kind of kill and end up doing bad things to the animal.

Most hunters out of sheer laziness of retrieving their game keep their ranges down. Most hunters also hunt in places where 500+ yard shots are few and far between in general, and don't want to invest the kind of money it would take to handle the ranges anyway.

Not that I disagree with you at all, Just saying that this notion of hunters being able to shoot some animal at a thousand yards is laughable just because I'd say 99% of the *hunters* I've met, if you asked them to hit a target at a grand, would miss completely 9 out of 10 shots.
100 yards? 150? 400? Maybe. And then you're close enough that the animal's going to hear you coming because your fat, lazy ass is tromping around like you own the place, you had coffee and bacon for breakfast, you put on deoderant, and wear clothes you washed with Tide. Frankly, you have an overpowering scent of *man* and they're going to mostly see you coming and avoid you.

Funny story: first time i ever went hunting, I was confident. Hell, I *knew* there was no way to lose! I was down in the woods near a horse farm (and not shooting AT the horse farm, duh), and I knew there were deer that stayed around there to take the hay and feed off the horses. I thought i was smart. I scrubbed myself that morning head to toe with descenting soaps. I hung my hunting gear in the horse barn a week prior and let it get all nice and horse-smelling. I made sure to brush and floss and chew on stuff meant to take the scent off your breath. I set up in a spot between some fallen trees after gauging the wind to make sure i was down wind from my shooting lane. I hunt out cover scents all over me, stepped in a lot of horse manure, and did everything I could to either attract deer or at least hide myself from them.

So, there I am, coldest part of dawn during a november hunting season cold snap, freezing my balls off, waiting for the deer to show. I'm just SURE that they'll be there. I wait. And I wait. And I wait. I try a buck call just like i'd been taught. And I wait some more. And more. And more. Sun comes up, beams down through the trees, I can hear the squirrels moving around, I can hear the birds waking up, and the rustle of animals in the woods. I'm just so sure there's a deer down there ready for me to shoot. So I keep watching, hesitant to blink, my nose already numb from the cold (did I tell you it was cold?), doing my damnedest not to move, my ass numb from the ground, my body stiff and aching, every muscle clenching and unclenching to keep the circulation going.

It's getting late in the morning. Watch says 8:30. I'm sure I've got frostbite, i'm cold, I'm hungry, I just can't take sitting there anymore. It's time to get out of the woods and call it a bust. Just then, I hear a snort. *right* behind me. I freeze. I KNOW if i try to turn around, whatever it is is going to spook and run off, and worst case, if it's a buck, I might get the horns and he might get ME that morning. So I sit there, silently commanding the animal to move around in front of me. Goddamnit, buck, I'm smarter than you, I picked the perfect spot, I'm a human, you're a deer, DO WHAT I SAY.

I hear another snort and the sound of an animal moving off. I turn around and look, and I see the horns and the ass of a deer, easily an 8-pointer. He stops, he looks at me, and I swear to god it snorted like a laugh. If he could talk, I'm sure he would have said "Better'n you have tried, kid, but C+ for effort." In Sam Elliot's voice, too. My mind works that way.

Two weeks later, my uncle who was hunting that exact same spot asks me what the hell happened, it was a sure thing, he saw 50+ deer go through there, but never close enough for him to hit with his bow. I told him the above.

I know, I know, CSB.
 
2014-01-20 02:49:41 PM  

mtx1234: leaked on the Internet?  It was on the frickin' nightly news!


Yeah, after someone got hold of his info and announced it - on the internet!
 
2014-01-20 03:03:33 PM  

AgentPothead: [ingat.info image 400x400]


I see this has been covered, thanks!
 
2014-01-20 03:14:54 PM  
I went on a photo safari in South Africa and was surprised to learn that our guide, who seemed to love wild African animals more than life itself, was a big supporter of controlled hunting. His point was that people pay such unbelievably high prices to hunt the animals that it generates gobs of money to support conservation. In fact, he claimed that, without paid hunting, there would probably be no more exotic animals in Africa. Ironic? Definitely. But it's hard to argue with someone as knowledgeable as this guy was.
 
2014-01-20 03:27:45 PM  

The Dog Ate My Homework: I went on a photo safari in South Africa and was surprised to learn that our guide, who seemed to love wild African animals more than life itself, was a big supporter of controlled hunting. His point was that people pay such unbelievably high prices to hunt the animals that it generates gobs of money to support conservation. In fact, he claimed that, without paid hunting, there would probably be no more exotic animals in Africa. Ironic? Definitely. But it's hard to argue with someone as knowledgeable as this guy was.


Well, and that's just it.

Outsider wants to pay lots of money and provide the leg work to kill an animal which was sick/old/a liability anyway? And they get to say they hunted X while we make bucketloads of money, bring in the money from their staying in our hotels, eating at our restaurants, and buying local products? Sure, why not? Everyone's happy (except PETA, but fark PETA).
 
2014-01-20 05:40:15 PM  
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2014-01-20 07:45:19 PM  

JH3675: El Viento: Now you can call me skeptical but I think a few rich white people sat down to figure out how to go kill a rhino and mount his head legally.

It would be much more palatable if it was a few rich black/asian/arab/latino people, wouldn't it?


Actually no it wouldn't but considering it's a Dallas Hunting Club, those people, black/asian/arab/latino,are probably not allowed admission. Sorry your butt is sore. Go soak a cork.
 
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