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2014-01-19 06:01:52 PM
The second pic in that article is not from a real plane. I saw it in an article about a month ago - don't remember where and too lazy to Google it.

Air travel did have a golden age, people dressed up to fly, service was amazing, etc. Tickets were also the equivalent of First Class now if not more. Flying wasn't for everyone. Now it is. You can't provide that experience for $89 each way while working in shorts.
 
2014-01-19 06:19:38 PM
It's not so much the overhead bins, but them cramming as many seats as possible onto the plane (and in doing so making the seats narrower and with less legroom) that makes it suck today.

If the original 747 was designed as a 400 seater, and new ones seat up to 568, that space wasn't taken up by overhead bins.
 
2014-01-19 06:23:06 PM

TuteTibiImperes: It's not so much the overhead bins, but them cramming as many seats as possible onto the plane (and in doing so making the seats narrower and with less legroom) that makes it suck today.

If the original 747 was designed as a 400 seater, and new ones seat up to 568, that space wasn't taken up by overhead bins.


British Airways and a few other class operations used to have a whole closet at the front of the plane where you hang up your carry on.
 
NFA [TotalFark]
2014-01-19 07:25:34 PM
When I travel, I always bring a single carry on that fits under the seat.  I despise checking baggage and all the waiting, worrying about the airline clowns losing or stealing from it.
 
2014-01-19 08:21:25 PM
The 1970s really liked orange, apparently.

Orange and brown, the whole decade looks like a retro Halloween party.
 
2014-01-19 08:32:02 PM
It's not just the carry-on luggage, it's all the personal amenities people insist on now. With those older configurations, the seats did not recline, you didn't have a personal screen built into the seat in front of you, and you did not have, within arm's reach for even short people, a row of buttons to call the flight attendant, turn a personal light on and off, and control a personal fan above your seat. All those bells and whistles take up space. Also, all the extra crash protection for passengers in the cabin.
 
2014-01-19 08:34:39 PM
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Those chairs would be fun when you hit turbulence, not having seat belts and all.
 
2014-01-19 08:38:41 PM

fusillade762: [img.gawkerassets.com image 640x510]

Those chairs would be fun when you hit turbulence, not having seat belts and all.


And it would be super fun to take off sitting in the backwards facing ones.
 
2014-01-19 09:03:37 PM

fusillade762: [img.gawkerassets.com image 640x510]

Those chairs would be fun when you hit turbulence, not having seat belts and all.


For some reason I look at the guy in the dead center and I can't help but think of Mitt Romney.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-01-19 09:09:56 PM
miss diminutive: The 1970s really liked orange, apparently.

Don't forget avocado appliances.
 
2014-01-19 09:10:23 PM

fusillade762: Those chairs would be fun when you hit turbulence, not having seat belts and all.


Upside: Drinking with the captain, bottom left...
 
2014-01-19 09:13:23 PM
What they always seem to leave out is the cost of tickets and limited route choices due to regulations of the airlines.  Sure you had lots more room, service, and comfort, but you also paid for it.  Now we have sky buses but the fares are closer to the price of Greyhound back in the day.  You want luxury, be prepared to pay.
 
2014-01-19 09:15:06 PM
This is news?

fark you and your eighty-pound three-foot "carry-on".

Check your bags and get in your damned seat, tard.
 
2014-01-19 09:15:08 PM
The airlines farked planes because money. The govt farked air travel because stupid. John Q took all the blame because fark that guy.
 
2014-01-19 09:15:35 PM
"Because our damn carry-on luggage" did what?
 
2014-01-19 09:15:44 PM
That can't be the inside of an airplane. There are no crying babies or young kids acting up.
 
2014-01-19 09:17:12 PM
What you mean "we"?

Some of those pics look like bad PR releases though.
 
2014-01-19 09:17:41 PM
We farked air travel because our damn carry-on luggage

If it wasn't for our damn carry-on luggage the airlines would have filled the overhead space in a 747 with people slid in from the rear of the craft.
 
2014-01-19 09:17:54 PM
The current system stinks. There should be no carry on except for one bag each and that's it. No overhead (which opens and falls on everyones head in an accident). If you can't live without something for a few hours, you should never leave home.
 
2014-01-19 09:18:43 PM

joshiz: The second pic in that article is not from a real plane. I saw it in an article about a month ago - don't remember where and too lazy to Google it.


I remember reading somewhere that it was a prototype. Oh yeah, here's the link.
 
2014-01-19 09:18:48 PM
Article seems to be unaware the reason that air passengers demanded more space for carry-on luggage in the first place was that checking a bag meant standing around at the airport for an extra half hour to find out whether your property was lost or damaged.  And that was 20 years before the law was changed requiring you to leave all your bags unlocked so that the TSA could paw through your stuff indiscriminately.
 
2014-01-19 09:18:54 PM

miss diminutive: The 1970s really liked orange, apparently.

Orange and brown, the whole decade looks like a retro Halloween party.


The safety orange is for making your still-strapped-in, mangled corpse easier for FAA searchers to find when your plane crashes in a remote woodland area.
 
2014-01-19 09:19:07 PM
Because safety and seatbelts.
Because not profiling the passengers (hint: single brown men are bomby).
 
2014-01-19 09:20:04 PM

miss diminutive: The 1970s really liked orange, apparently.

Orange and brown, the whole decade looks like a retro Halloween party.


Looks like a casino.
 
2014-01-19 09:20:07 PM

skinink: That can't be the inside of an airplane. There are no crying babies or young kids acting up.


And none of those people look like they reek of onions.
 
2014-01-19 09:21:28 PM
It is the fault of carry on bags?

If we didn't have to have carry on bags the airlines would try to add another floor of seating so people would have to craw into the seats.  Just because it is more efficient that way.
 
2014-01-19 09:23:57 PM
People don't like the effects of deregulation as much as they imagined.

Film at 10.
 
2014-01-19 09:24:12 PM

poot_rootbeer: Article seems to be unaware the reason that air passengers demanded more space for carry-on luggage in the first place was that checking a bag meant standing around at the airport for an extra half hour to find out whether your property was lost or damaged.  And that was 20 years before the law was changed requiring you to leave all your bags unlocked so that the TSA could paw through your stuff indiscriminately.


Well, and that they now charge you for checked baggage as well. That certainly does not help carry-on cramming.
 
2014-01-19 09:24:47 PM
We have carry ons because the airlines lose our checked bags but only after charging an arm and a leg to check them. We have carry ons because the airlines take a hour after the flight to produce the bits of luggage they don't lose. We have carry ons because morons grab our bags off the luggage wheel because they look vaguely similar to the bad they left at home in 1973. We have carry ons because we want to take back the slightest bit of power in a relationship that is so defective it in it's unreasonableness that makes your Ex's look like farking Gandhi by comparison. WE HAVE BLODDY FARKING CARRY ONS BECAUSE BECAUSE THE BLOODY FARKING AIRLINES HAVE BLOODY FARKED US AND SOMEHOW WE'VE FARKED FARKING AIR TRAVEL WITH OUR BLODDY FARKING CARRY ONS.

Carry on, submitter.
 
2014-01-19 09:24:47 PM

sallys: The current system stinks. There should be no carry on except for one bag each and that's it. No overhead (which opens and falls on everyones head in an accident). If you can't live without something for a few hours, you should never leave home.


Nobody likes my idea of recyclable limited duration low exposure xray friendly tyvek travel fashions as well as the notion of expanding what hotels provide their customers so that it's easy and inexpensive to arrive at a destination airport or hotel in your tyvek travel clothes, pick up new clothes for a few bucks while you're there and your various toiletries and carry nothing other than your murder phone and a few gifts.
 
2014-01-19 09:24:49 PM

miss diminutive: The 1970s really liked orange, apparently.

Orange and brown, the whole decade looks like a retro Halloween party.


My first elementary school was built in the 70s.

Oranges and browns everywhere, even the bricks.  1970 - 1979 was just hideous.

(1980-1989 wasn't much better, but at the time it seemed normal)
 
2014-01-19 09:27:36 PM

miss diminutive: The 1970s really liked orange, apparently.

Orange and brown, the whole decade looks like a retro Halloween party.


And the bushy mustaches too.

/And sideburns
 
2014-01-19 09:27:55 PM
Waaaay better air travel in the 70's.

www.feelnumb.com

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2014-01-19 09:28:00 PM

Daedalus27: What they always seem to leave out is the cost of tickets and limited route choices due to regulations of the airlines.  Sure you had lots more room, service, and comfort, but you also paid for it.  Now we have sky buses but the fares are closer to the price of Greyhound back in the day.  You want luxury, be prepared to pay.


A whole bunch of THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

CSB:
My old man always biatches about air travel compared to when he was an executive back in the '70s.  I remind him he is the first one to pounce on $160 one-ways MKE to PHX, therefore part of the problem contributing to the sky-bus era, versus paying for first-class and what amenities are left.  He harrumphs and changes the subject.

Families didn't jet down to Cancun or Orlando back in the day because they couldn't afford it.  Yesteryear's tickets were the equivalent of $2,000 or so, round trip.
 
2014-01-19 09:28:04 PM
Air travel today has lots of problems. But even if you are seven feet tall head room while sitting down isn't one of them.
 
2014-01-19 09:29:44 PM
No. Capitalism ruins everything
 
2014-01-19 09:30:05 PM

joshiz: Air travel did have a golden age, people dressed up to fly,


God damn yes, I long for those days.  Same thing with doctor's offices.  Nowadays half the people show up in their pajamas.

It's the little niceties that make things more bearable.  We've lost that unfortunately.
 
2014-01-19 09:30:20 PM

NFA: When I travel, I always bring a single carry on that fits under the seat.  I despise checking baggage and all the waiting, worrying about the airline clowns losing or stealing from it.


That's not an option for some of us. With the ridiculously pared-down economy seat pitch -- and the ridiculously overinflated business, first, or even premium economy pricing -- there is nowhere else to store our feet than under the seat in front.

And I'm not even unusually tall or bulky, just 6'1" and ~230 pounds.
 
2014-01-19 09:31:16 PM
Well if luggage was not lost so much, people would be more comfortable checking it.  Same goes for having fewer fees.
 
2014-01-19 09:34:38 PM

Thoguh: Air travel today has lots of problems. But even if you are seven feet tall head room while sitting down isn't one of them.


This.  My shoulders might be above the top of the headrest, but I've only had problems with headroom once.

And funnily enough, that was the time where I was in first class because the guy in first class wanted to sit next to his wife (in coach) and traded tickets with me.

/Seriously, really tiny plane => really low headroom.  But that's a problem with "This plane is only 3 seats wide and is therefore only 3 seats TALL."
//And as mentioned, if plane tickets NOW cost what plane tickets did THEN, I wouldn't be going home for anything ever.  So huzzah for Skybus.
 
2014-01-19 09:34:39 PM
What farked air travel was the influx of people spending hours and hours searching discount webpages in order to save $10 on airflight.  You get what you pay for.  Flying used to be nicer because it was mostly wealthy 1%'s and businessmen who were traveling.
 
2014-01-19 09:35:20 PM
The elephant in the room - fat people. Start charging by the pound also seat based on width. Put all the fatties in the back to shame them. No fatties in first class - ever. Also do not serve any meals/snacks to the fatties.

/ fatties
 
2014-01-19 09:36:19 PM
I never understood why people would bring luggage on the plane. Ship yourself on the plane, and use an actual package shipper to ship your luggage.

It costs less to ship a suitcase by USPS or UPS to your destination than it does to deal with the airline bullshiat. Just ship it to the hotel at your room number, and pick it up at the desk. If you're going to visit family, ship it to their house.

Really, if we drop the whole luggage thing on airlines, we'd deal with so many problems: We'd fit more people, we'd have more leg room, we'd make the TSA a lot less useful, we'd stop having our luggage sent to the wrong place and searched by baggage handlers...
 
2014-01-19 09:37:26 PM

yakmans_dad: People don't like the effects of deregulation as much as they imagined.

Film at 10.


THIS
people ignore this simple truth
 
2014-01-19 09:43:30 PM
AIr fare in economy from JKF to London 1979 -- $420.  In today's dollars that $2450.

Typical fare now, about $900.   Doing some tricks with buying miles on discount and using lower award fares, you can get first class for about $2500 now, with a lie-flat seat.

Source: I'm farking old.
 
2014-01-19 09:43:32 PM

WorldCitizen: Well, and that they now charge you for checked baggage as well. That certainly does not help carry-on cramming


I've never understood that.   Checked baggage should be free... carrying your shiat with  you so it doesn't get lost, stolen, or pulverized is worth a premium.

Best trick I've learned for checked baggage:  get a cheap gun and and pack it with your expensive shiat in a locking hard-side case.   Bags with declared firearms get preferential treatment and are far less likely to get lost or damaged.
 
2014-01-19 09:43:36 PM
Remember that before the Arab Oil Embargo of 1973 oil/gas/fuel was dirt cheap (crude oil was literally $3.25 a barrel in 1971). My father owned a Shell gas station and the price was 35 cents/gallon. That is why airlines could fly 50 passsengers across the Atlantic and show a profit.
 
2014-01-19 09:45:45 PM

Elzar: The elephant in the room - fat people. Start charging by the pound also seat based on width. Put all the fatties in the back to shame them. No fatties in first class - ever. Also do not serve any meals/snacks to the fatties.

/ fatties


It is already working for Samoa Air, http://www.bworldonline.com/weekender/content.php?id=81429
 
2014-01-19 09:47:11 PM
Flying was classier back then, but it was the domain of a privileged few because of how much it cost before deregulation. I was 17 the first time I ever got on an airplane, in 1979, because middle class people couldn't afford to fly unless it was really important. You sure didn't take kids on vacation on an airplane back then.
 
2014-01-19 09:48:25 PM
Oh bullshiat subby.

The companies do whatever they damned well please, including packing people like sardines.

Small people ruined flight because it's obvious to me they think everyone is 5'5" and 140 pounds.
 
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