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2014-01-19 05:55:25 PM

BorgiaGinz: Apos: Undiagnosed/untreated mental illness is a scourge in this country.

Religion is a mental illness. Religious people believe in angels, demons, and  miracles. They believe that they can speak in unknown languages, that magical wishes (AKA prayer)  can affect their circumstances, that the smallest coincidences in their everyday lives are the deliberate acts of an invisible entity that governs every aspect of their lives.


Atheism was good enough for Karl Marx, Joe Stalin and Vlad Lenin it should be good enough for all of us!


/The Holy Trinity of Progressives
 
2014-01-19 05:57:29 PM
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2014-01-19 05:59:21 PM

kwame: Arachnophobe: kwame: kwame: Magruda: kwame: you are ranting about religion instead of the need to better identify and treat mental illness

You seem to think that factual belief in religion is not a mental illness.

What I think is irrelevant. You're coming across as fanatical and single-minded as your mother at this point. Good luck, dude.

He has an excuse for it. You're just trying to stir sh*t up. Find someone else, kid.

Did you forget to switch logins?

I don't do the alt thing. It looks like I quoted myself instead of the comment below.


Sure you don't...
 
2014-01-19 06:00:41 PM

ReverendJimBobHammer: Mister Peejay: skantea: All comments about religion will reveal your personal bias.  The biatch was just plain crazy.  If has had said the moon made her do it, would we question whether the moon was bad for us?

While it is true that religion was the medium, it's even more true that there are billions of people who manage to avoid killing their children because of it.

So:  Yes, biatch be crazy.

That makes for a couple of kidnappings and these two murders over the last year because of exorcisms, I don't recall any because of the moon.

Yes biatches be crazy but religion encouraged the crazy rather than suggesting maybe some counseling and medication for it. My otherwise totally sane mother was worried about me "inviting evil spirits to take over [my] body" by using a Ouija board I bought in high school to use for laughs with my stoner buddies. She was intelligent and college educated, ran the family business and was the director of religious education program for a 2000 member catholic church.

Religion convinced her evil faries could control me. That's how stupid religion makes you.


You smoked pot and played with a ouija board yet you say  religionmakes one stupid? The fact you played with the ouija board tells me you were trying to contact something you could not see. Why else would someone use one?
 
2014-01-19 06:00:59 PM

skantea: All comments about religion will reveal your personal bias.  The biatch was just plain crazy.  If has had said the moon made her do it, would we question whether the moon was bad for us?


She used religion as an excuse for her delusions, and religion was all too willing to help empower them.

So yeah, F*CK religion for empowering the crazies.

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2014-01-19 06:01:24 PM

Cpl.D: skantea: All comments about religion will reveal your personal bias.  The biatch was just plain crazy.  If has had said the moon made her do it, would we question whether the moon was bad for us?

The moon doesn't actively encourage this behavior.  Some religious sects do.


What religious sects encourage stabbing children?
 
2014-01-19 06:02:17 PM

Bslim: Isn't religion awesome?


What religion do you think involves stabbing children with knives?
 
2014-01-19 06:02:21 PM

Lee451: Atheism was good enough for Karl Marx, Joe Stalin and Vlad Lenin it should be good enough for all of us!


Considering the number of horrible people who have ever existed in this world if you can only come up with three that were atheists and conversely the rest must be theists, then i don't think you are helping your point.
 
2014-01-19 06:02:29 PM

Magruda: wademh: Magruda: wademh: Religion has almost nothing to do with this.

The church teaches that demons are real and that exorcisms are a valid practice. The scripture backs up their delusions.

Religion Logic has almost nothing to do with this.

Which church? And which interpretation of scripture?
Logically, the rarity of such events tells us that this is not a major or common effect of religion. It's a longer argument, and I don't play it out here, but some people are organically mentally ill to begin with. They seek out rather non-conventional fellow travelors such as the cultish variants of born-again evangelicals you referred to. Making a blanket condemnation of religion in general based on specifics that are rare is illogical. Nothing this is not a defense of religion, nor an claim of virtue within religion. Interpreting my comments that way would be evidence of dichotomous thinking, black or white thinking, with me or against me thinking, which is a form of illogic that is sometimes fostered within some religions. But of course it is not common to all religions, some of which even encourage subtlety of thought.

Starting with what i was exposed to and then working my way back to sanity, i found that the only thing that makes sense is that the question of an infinite god is unknowable. Anyone who claims to know the will of god is either insane or a charlatan. I place belief in charlatans as a mental illness.


Your personal experience in this is a warped example. You are judging religion in general from the specific warped example of your youth. Many people adopt a perspective of faith for more subtle reasons, including but not limited to an objective assessment that their own lives are enriched by the general culture of belief. I'm not one of them but I observe people who do so lead happy, successful and productive lives. Thus, a blanket condemnation of religion, which these people testify is vital to their lives, denies this reality.

Ironically, some religious people are guilty of being overly black and white in their thinking, as are those vehemently anti-religion. These two extremes feed off each other to further entrench themselves in their failed dogmatic thought process. But the anti-religious camp also pretends they are champions of rationality and so are not just trapped by hypocritically  trapped.
 
2014-01-19 06:03:28 PM

JohnnyC: MechaPyx: Whatever these people were involved in Religionmerely gave them a framework for their actions but they were fundamentally broken in some way before they found an outlet for their crazy bullshiat.

You can stop pretending not to know what gave them their framework for their actions now...


So do you think violent video games turn people into killers? Does rap music turn people into street thugs? Would wearing feminine clothing turn John Wayne into a woman?

No. And that logic is farked up.

If we removed all religious influence from those two people would they suddenly turn into sane, well adjusted individuals? No. They'd still be batshiat insane.
 
2014-01-19 06:03:36 PM

orclover: Apos: Undiagnosed/untreated mental illness is a scourge in this country.


If you can fix that in the USA, then you can probably pass out AK-47's on every corner to everyone that walks by and the only related deaths will be cleaning accidents.

But fixing how we treat mental illness in this country will make fixing the healthcare industry seem like a nice relaxing sunday drive.


Gun violence in the US in nearly all from the drug trade and domestic violence.
 
2014-01-19 06:04:22 PM

wademh: Magruda: My mother was (and probably still is) a born again evangelical. She burned Beatles records and blessed my bedroom with holy water on a regular basis. She used to corner me when I got home and rub some holy water on my forehead in an effort to release the demons.

She got these ideas from the church she dragged me to and the radio programs she listened to. So don't tell me religion played no part in this. As soon as you start believing in things without proof it becomes so much easier to convince you to do anything based on those beliefs.

Idiots who believe in demons are on par if not worse than flat earthers.

Religion has almost nothing to do with this. Many followers of religions don't act like the psychotic idiot you portray your mother to be. However, psychotic idiots find excuses, and because religious leaders are so ubiquitous, psychotic people often find religious leaders to assist in their insanity. But religious beliefs are not the cause. What they are is an conduit for extremism based on pre-existing mental defects.


But remember that his mother had to live with him. Can we be sure it was the religion that made her "crazy"?
 
2014-01-19 06:04:32 PM

Jimmysolson: phrawgh: The Lord works in mysterious ways. He needed these children as His new angels in His Kingdom. We cannot question Him nor know His reasons. These children are truly blessed to be at His right hand. Praise the Lord! His will be done!

Holy Fark!!!

The sad thing is, I'm sure there are those who actually believe that.


Don't reason in the mind, just obey in the spirit.

Abraham didn't kill his son atop the mountain God sent him there to do it but before he did God told him to stop now while these people claim God said to this we must remember the devil is sneaky and conniving just as he got Eve to eat the apple Judas to tell he can do other things n than to allow the blame to fall on God n drive more people to sin is all part of His plan so yea
 
2014-01-19 06:07:31 PM

Magruda: MechaPyx: Religion didn't cause this any more than video games(or music or movies or books) make people into violent, depraved killers. Whatever these people were involved in merely gave them a framework for their actions but they were fundamentally broken in some way before they found an outlet for their crazy bullshiat.

I have yet to play a video game which actually told you to go out into the real world and perform any action other than buy the sequel. Religion on the other hand asks you to go do things.


Do you always do everything someone else tells you? Just because someone tells you do something doesn't mean you should just blindly go do it.
 
2014-01-19 06:09:14 PM

wademh: But the anti-religious camp also pretends they are champions of rationality and so are not just trapped by hypocritically  trapped.


It simply makes no sense to believe in something without empirical evidence to back it up.
 
2014-01-19 06:12:44 PM

kwame: Bslim: Isn't religion awesome?

Probably. But it's irrelevant to this story.


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2014-01-19 06:12:46 PM

MechaPyx: Magruda: MechaPyx: Religion didn't cause this any more than video games(or music or movies or books) make people into violent, depraved killers. Whatever these people were involved in merely gave them a framework for their actions but they were fundamentally broken in some way before they found an outlet for their crazy bullshiat.

I have yet to play a video game which actually told you to go out into the real world and perform any action other than buy the sequel. Religion on the other hand asks you to go do things.

Do you always do everything someone else tells you? Just because someone tells you do something doesn't mean you should just blindly go do it.


You obviously missed the point.
 
2014-01-19 06:13:36 PM

ultraholland: wait, my comment from a redlit thread was reworded and submitted as a headline?

Unpossible!


What? You patronize other forums?

Jump, you bastard.
 
2014-01-19 06:15:54 PM

MechaPyx: JohnnyC: MechaPyx: Whatever these people were involved in Religionmerely gave them a framework for their actions but they were fundamentally broken in some way before they found an outlet for their crazy bullshiat.

You can stop pretending not to know what gave them their framework for their actions now...

So do you think violent video games turn people into killers? Does rap music turn people into street thugs? Would wearing feminine clothing turn John Wayne into a woman?

No. And that logic is farked up.

If we removed all religious influence from those two people would they suddenly turn into sane, well adjusted individuals? No. They'd still be batshiat insane.


I don't deny that they were crazy people, but I'm also not denying that it was religion that gave them exorcism which they then performed on those kids. You seem to be selective in your observation as to how they got from point A (not killing her kids) to B (killing and maiming her kids).

Which tells me one thing... Your REALLY don't want religion to be responsible in any way for this. Probably because admitting that religion had something to do with this would make you slightly uncomfortable with your own beliefs... but that's just a guess.
 
2014-01-19 06:16:34 PM

Magruda: wademh: But the anti-religious camp also pretends they are champions of rationality and so are not just trapped by hypocritically  trapped.

It simply makes no sense to believe in something without empirical evidence to back it up.


I agree.

I find religious belief strange.

I also find attempts to blame some aspect of human culture(religion, music, movies, games) for the actions of a psychopath to be equally strange. Why would I blame those things when the person is obviously defective in some way?

That's like blaming a burning building on the plastic flamingos decorating the front yard.
 
2014-01-19 06:20:13 PM

MechaPyx: That's like blaming a burning building on the plastic flamingos decorating the front yard.


In this case the flamingo is electronic and caused a short in the building. Exorcism takes place in the bible, they didn't just make this stuff up on their own.
 
2014-01-19 06:20:33 PM

meanmutton: Gun violence in the US in nearly all from the drug trade and domestic violence.


Just as long as we dont have to increase tax's to help the mentally ill amiright?
 
2014-01-19 06:22:37 PM
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The worst demons are church-attending, psychophants, hypocrytes, liars and moral pontificators.
 
2014-01-19 06:22:53 PM
god is a delusion

religion is a mental illness
 
2014-01-19 06:24:01 PM

kwame: kwame: Magruda: kwame: you are ranting about religion instead of the need to better identify and treat mental illness

You seem to think that factual belief in religion is not a mental illness.

What I think is irrelevant. You're coming across as fanatical and single-minded as your mother at this point. Good luck, dude.

He has an excuse for it. You're just trying to stir sh*t up. Find someone else, kid.


Gold, Jerry!
 
2014-01-19 06:27:33 PM

JohnnyC: MechaPyx: JohnnyC: MechaPyx: Whatever these people were involved in Religionmerely gave them a framework for their actions but they were fundamentally broken in some way before they found an outlet for their crazy bullshiat.

You can stop pretending not to know what gave them their framework for their actions now...

So do you think violent video games turn people into killers? Does rap music turn people into street thugs? Would wearing feminine clothing turn John Wayne into a woman?

No. And that logic is farked up.

If we removed all religious influence from those two people would they suddenly turn into sane, well adjusted individuals? No. They'd still be batshiat insane.

I don't deny that they were crazy people, but I'm also not denying that it was religion that gave them exorcism which they then performed on those kids. You seem to be selective in your observation as to how they got from point A (not killing her kids) to B (killing and maiming her kids).

Which tells me one thing... Your REALLY don't want religion to be responsible in any way for this. Probably because admitting that religion had something to do with this would make you slightly uncomfortable with your own beliefs... but that's just a guess.


So we should get rid of religion because it gives people ideas? What else should we get rid of because it gives people ideas and we can't trust them not to do something stupid and farked up? Trying to remove every single thing that someone, somewhere abused in some farked up manner is vain in the extreme and offensive. But this is why we can't have nice things.

Seriously, it's like trying to take the toys away from all the kids because one kid keeps hitting the other kids with them. You don't take the toys away. You give the bad kid a timeout and try to get him to not do that anymore.
 
2014-01-19 06:28:59 PM
So... exactly which religion's exorcism procedure calls for multiple stabbings? Not that I'm any kind of expert, but that's a new one for me!
 
2014-01-19 06:30:24 PM
Well you have to poke holes in them to release the evil.
 
2014-01-19 06:30:31 PM
Which religion uses a knife as part of an exorcism? The Abrahamic ones don't, so voodoo or some kind of tribal stuff maybe?
 
2014-01-19 06:32:34 PM
That's a stabbin'!
 
2014-01-19 06:36:06 PM

BATMANATEE: Which religion uses a knife as part of an exorcism? The Abrahamic ones don't, so voodoo or some kind of tribal stuff maybe?


I'm....I'm pretty sure the point is exorcism shouldn't be a thing.
 
2014-01-19 06:36:24 PM

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2014-01-19 06:36:27 PM
All the cinematic exorcisms I've ever been to... they do all manner of crazy mean shiat to the possessors, but the possessee is generally not harmed in a mortal fashion...
 
2014-01-19 06:37:03 PM
This thread delivers.


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2014-01-19 06:40:13 PM
If she had only believed in quantum theory, she could have observed the demon that may or may not have been there, out. Or not.
 
2014-01-19 06:40:35 PM

megarian: BATMANATEE: Which religion uses a knife as part of an exorcism? The Abrahamic ones don't, so voodoo or some kind of tribal stuff maybe?

I'm....I'm pretty sure the point is exorcism shouldn't be a thing.


I do get that. I'm just curious what brand of nonsense they were following.
 
2014-01-19 06:40:45 PM

BATMANATEE: Which religion uses a knife as part of an exorcism? The Abrahamic ones don't, so voodoo or some kind of tribal stuff maybe?


I'm pretty sure Wiccans* use a knife in all of their... rituals.... services... things.

*valid for some definitions of "religion"
 
2014-01-19 06:40:57 PM
I love that CNN had to tell it's readers what an exocism is.
 
2014-01-19 06:41:09 PM
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LOLOLOLOL

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IT'S FUNNY, BECAUSE A MOTHER MURDERED HER CHILDREN

LOLOLOL
 
2014-01-19 06:43:49 PM

Magruda: wademh: But the anti-religious camp also pretends they are champions of rationality and so are not just trapped by hypocritically  trapped.

It simply makes no sense to believe in something without empirical evidence to back it up.


Look dude, I'm a militant agnostic, meaning I don't know and neither does anyone else. I'm also a career scientist who knows something about evidence and one thing I know is that it is not so simple. Many things I _know_, I know for reasons that are outside of what qualifies as hard empirical evidence, or originally failed to meet such a standard. But I've been alive a long time, long enough to have things I firmly felt were truth despite the lack of hard empirical evidence reveal themselves to be true later on. The points are, I have believed in things prior to having hard scientific evidence and I've almost always been proven right, and almost everybody does the same. Some of us are right more often than others.

So the "objective evidence" standard is, by pragmatic experience, overly strict as a filter for belief. And that's based on objective experience. For me, personally, I've never found cause to believe in any higher power. But it is irrational to presume that other people's experiences are in sync with mine. They have to follow the consensus of their experiences. And I know people I respect who have different experiences that lead them to believe in a higher power.

Unfortunately, for people who begin with an unbalanced mind, the world has prepared many traps. And some of these are framed within religions (some not, consult late night/early morning informercials for examples). But real estate is not at fault, real estate scams are at fault. Religion is not at fault, religious scams are at fault.
 
2014-01-19 06:44:17 PM

MechaPyx: So we should get rid of religion because it gives people ideas?


I'm not suggesting that we "get rid of religion". I don't want to take it away from people... I would prefer that people give up religion on their own. I would like people to come to grips with how toxic religion has been for society in the past and continues to be today.

I'm fully aware that people won't give it up... they're too entrenched in it. They like to believe that they're going to see their dead grandparents/mom/dad/sister/brother again in some perfect afterlife. They love their 'beautiful lies' too much to give them up. Heck, you, as an example, seem to love religion so much that you're unwilling to accept that it leads some people to do horrific things at all.

So in short, I don't want to take away your toys... I want you to grow beyond the need for them.
 
2014-01-19 06:46:17 PM

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FAIL TAG USED CORRECTLY

IT'S FUNNY, BECAUSE A MOTHER MURDERED HER CHILDREN

LOLOLOL

I'll see it and raise you a...


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2014-01-19 06:48:19 PM

wademh: Look dude, I'm a militant agnostic, meaning I don't know and neither does anyone else. I'm also a career scientist who knows something about evidence and one thing I know is that it is not so simple. Many things I _know_, I know for reasons that are outside of what qualifies as hard empirical evidence, or originally failed to meet such a standard. But I've been alive a long time, long enough to have things I firmly felt were truth despite the lack of hard empirical evidence reveal themselves to be true later on.


This statement is contradictory. Or this is some satirical attempt to explain "truthiness".
 
2014-01-19 06:48:25 PM

wademh: Look dude, I'm a militant agnostic, meaning I don't know and neither does anyone else.


Are you "agnostic" about the existence of Santa Claus?
 
2014-01-19 06:49:24 PM
Religion is merely an outlet and sometimes misguided enabler of and for such behavior.

There are plenty of people this crazy without religion. Religion is not a requirement to be crazy, just as it is not a requirement to treat people decently, and with compassion.

To blame religion and say it is the cause or source of this is just as trashy as blaming anything else. There is a scourge of mental illness being heavily untreated. I suffer from poorly treated mental illness myself. I served my country. You can blame my experiences in uniform, I know some of my situations exacerbated the problem, but it was not because of my time in uniform.

Trusting people who regardless of their upbringing, religion, and political affiliation can commit many unspeakable acts is the truly difficult thing. There is no guarantee of a person being safe from these kinds of things, no promises you can make to reassure anyone.

In fact, it's usually only the crazy people who can honestly tell you they are probably not good to be around. The sane people, so to speak, are the liars and manipulators.
 
2014-01-19 06:52:03 PM

Z-clipped: wademh: Look dude, I'm a militant agnostic, meaning I don't know and neither does anyone else.

Are you "agnostic" about the existence of Santa Claus?


Which Santa? Black or Real?
 
2014-01-19 06:53:39 PM

The_Mad_Dutchman: BorgiaGinz: Apos: Undiagnosed/untreated mental illness is a scourge in this country.

Religion is a mental illness. Religious people believe in angels, demons, and  miracles. They believe that they can speak in unknown languages, that magical wishes (AKA prayer)  can affect their circumstances, that the smallest coincidences in their everyday lives are the deliberate acts of an invisible entity that governs every aspect of their lives.

I tip my fedora to you, sir.


Your comment made me euphoric.

/So glad to see it make its way to Fark
 
2014-01-19 06:53:51 PM

Nacc: There are plenty of people this crazy without religion. Religion is not a requirement to be crazy, just as it is not a requirement to treat people decently, and with compassion.


Yes, but often religion can mask or shield the crazy from discovery and preventative care.
 
2014-01-19 06:58:38 PM

Magruda: Or this is some satirical attempt to explain "truthiness".


Sounds to me like a treatise on the fact that even highly educated people are not immune to wishful thinking, confirmation bias, and post hoc ergo propter hoc.

ReverendJynxed: Z-clipped: wademh: Look dude, I'm a militant agnostic, meaning I don't know and neither does anyone else.

Are you "agnostic" about the existence of Santa Claus?

Which Santa? Black or Real?


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2014-01-19 07:01:00 PM
If only those kids would've had guns...
 
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