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(Washington Times)   "Pot is not very different from cigarettes, is no more dangerous than booze." Well that's, like, just your opinion, Mr. President   (washingtontimes.com) divider line 59
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2014-01-19 06:48:11 PM
5 votes:

Lsherm: phillydrifter: Lsherm: Well, both are also highly addictive.

Like nicotine?

/f8cking scare tactics

Zeppelininthesky: Lsherm: Eddie Adams from Torrance: fusillade762: "If marijuana is fully legalized and at some point folks say, Well, we can come up with a negotiated dose of cocaine that we can show is not any more harmful than vodka, are we open to that?" Obama wondered. "If somebody says, We've got a finely calibrated dose of meth, it isn't going to kill you or rot your teeth, are we O.K. with that?"

Wow. Thoughtfulness and nuance from a politician.

Legalizing even the smallest amounts of cocaine or meth would be completely irresponsible.... since neither of those is still under patent protection.

Well, both are also highly addictive.  Pot isn't.

So is nicotine

Yeah, good for you people, nicotine is addictive.  Thank you for pointing that out.  Nicotine is the perfect example of why we should legalize cocaine and meth.

In case you haven't noticed, we've spent the last 50 years trying to get people to stop using nicotine.


Legalize marijuana, decriminalize the rest, use the money saved on incarcerating people to fund treatment programs. You know, pretty much what Portugal did except for making weed legal.
2014-01-19 06:25:49 PM
5 votes:
By now, the only ones who want to keep pot illegal are DEA Agents (reduced funding if pot becomes legal), televangelists (because they hate everything fun), and pot cartels (the obvious).
2014-01-19 04:52:19 PM
5 votes:
Too bad he can't change how cannabis is scheduled.
2014-01-19 04:30:38 PM
5 votes:
Too bad he's not in charge of the DEA.
2014-01-19 08:17:25 PM
4 votes:

Your Hind Brain: Legalize everything! Let Darwin sort it out! However, it may be a bit socialist if we have to pay taxes for incenerating the bodies of those who died of whatever. Ok. Screw that. Ban everything!!


In fact, the fear that legalizing everything is the consequence of legalizing something is a logical fallacy so evident even the ignorant can hold fast to the schism;  when we legalized handguns, did we also worry about legalizing shoulder-mounted missiles? The "safety" of THC is not dose related, and ANY amount of cocaine or meth, administered daily even via 'safe' methods,would have a chroniceffect unlike that of THC.

Dopamine ain't nothin' to fark with, just like missiles... and shouldn't be lumped in with drugs like THC and Modafinil that aren't directly linked into your limbic system. In fact, both of the latter  are not addictive and that line, i would think, would be an obvious one.

what we need is a better definition of addictive that takes in to account psychology so as to not blame the drug for what the person is, anyway. It's not just "people are different", it's "people are resourceful", and if they cant do one thing they do another... and so the damage to society from the prohibition just (profitably) moves the problem around, it doesn't solve it. Or anything.

An acceptance by society that drug use is both a symptom of and a response to issues that are fundamental in human experience without inferring they are also criminals would give us the backdrop for looking past the drug, to the person suffering, instead of the literally dark alleys and callous criminality that is the black market.

The true crime is the existence of black market, because each person that is forced to buy from the street is a person who may be exposed to any of the worst that can happen, instead of obtaining substances that cost pennies/dollars and, through admitting that dependence, receive the mental help they really need, from someone who won't destroy their family for admitting it.

The cost of prohibition to society never pays off versus treatment. Never.
2014-01-19 07:36:34 PM
4 votes:
That a US President has said this aloud is a pretty big thing.
2014-01-19 06:34:56 PM
4 votes:
Crush the NSA, end the drug war, repeal the Hughes amendment, nationwide ccw reciprocity, reinstate net neutrality. First baby steps to freedom.
2014-01-19 06:22:17 PM
4 votes:
Far less dangerous than booze, actually.
2014-01-20 03:11:55 AM
3 votes:

Noam Chimpsky: m00: Noam Chimpsky: Don't even try that bullshiat. Every great author, composer, inventor, painter, philosopher and anyone else worth a damn liked to drink some adult beverages..Those who had some accomplishments and smoked pot lost the ability to create anything worthwhile after 10 years or so of smoking it, or their brains went cancerous like Bob Marley.

This is one of the dumber things I've read on Fark.

Okay, I'll name a drinker who had great accomplishments and you name a pot head and we'll see who runs out of names first.

Albert Einstein. He liked some wine and cognac.

Your turn. As a bonus, try to name some non-musicians who didn't choke on their vomit in their twenties.


Carl Sagan
2014-01-19 08:21:04 PM
3 votes:
Seriously, I'm 52yo and I never thought I would see this in my lifetime.  Now perhaps I know how my LGBT friends are feeling right now.  Good for the POTUS.  I'm one fat, old white guy who is proud to have voted for him twice!!

/I hope it makes up for voting Reagen twice
2014-01-19 07:32:13 PM
3 votes:

MayoSlather: Lsherm: In case you haven't noticed, we've spent the last 50 years trying to get people to stop using nicotine.

True, but we haven't spent a dime incarcerating people for using it, which seems far more reasonable.


I think that's the crux of the issue. If we spent all the money we spent investigating, arresting, prosecuting, and locking up people that use drugs and put it into treatment programs and poverty prevention, the war against drugs might have been as successful as anti-smoking campaigns.
2014-01-19 06:30:34 PM
3 votes:
"I also think that, when it comes to harder drugs, the harm done to the user is profound and the social costs are profound."

So are the costs of putting people in prison and giving them a criminal record where they can no longer get work where they are capable of supporting themselves. Not to mention there's the whole thing about living in a free society.

Also, does this endorsement mean Obama is going to move on getting marijuana off the schedule 1 list? Because that needs to happen.
2014-01-19 06:27:41 PM
3 votes:
I'm curious what to expect since he's indicated that it is "important" to let the marijuana legalization efforts move forward in CO and WA.
2014-01-19 06:22:35 PM
3 votes:
No more dangerous than booze? I'd say less but the point is still valid.

fusillade762: "If marijuana is fully legalized and at some point folks say, Well, we can come up with a negotiated dose of cocaine that we can show is not any more harmful than vodka, are we open to that?" Obama wondered. "If somebody says, We've got a finely calibrated dose of meth, it isn't going to kill you or rot your teeth, are we O.K. with that?"

Wow. Thoughtfulness and nuance from a politician.


I'm certainly more impressed with his thoughtfulness on this topic now than I was when he was trying to laugh the topic off earlier in his presidency.
2014-01-19 06:07:52 PM
3 votes:

Eddie Adams from Torrance: fusillade762: "If marijuana is fully legalized and at some point folks say, Well, we can come up with a negotiated dose of cocaine that we can show is not any more harmful than vodka, are we open to that?" Obama wondered. "If somebody says, We've got a finely calibrated dose of meth, it isn't going to kill you or rot your teeth, are we O.K. with that?"

Wow. Thoughtfulness and nuance from a politician.

Legalizing even the smallest amounts of cocaine or meth would be completely irresponsible.... since neither of those is still under patent protection.


Well, both are also highly addictive.  Pot isn't.
2014-01-20 01:32:27 AM
2 votes:

Noam Chimpsky: Marijuana is worse for your brain than crack and heroin. It turns you into an imbecile. You can prove this by striking up a conversation with any pot head.


so by that logic, since you are an imbecile, you are most likely a pot head.
2014-01-20 01:10:29 AM
2 votes:

Noam Chimpsky: Marijuana is worse for your brain than crack and heroin. It turns you into an imbecile. You can prove this by striking up a conversation with any pot head. It is also nothing like a freakin cigarette. Obama's an idiot.


Ever try holding a conversation with someone who's drunk?
2014-01-19 11:18:16 PM
2 votes:

fusillade762: phillydrifter: Lsherm: [nicotine, caffeine addictive]


You know, I've found it curious for years that although nicotine and caffeine are in fact addictive (and cigarettes can actually kill your ass), people never lose careers, marriages, children, homes and etc., due to being addicted to these substances. They're even progressive - use them enough, and you build up a tolerance so you need more to achieve the same effect. Nobody starts out smoking two packs a day, but nobody's life falls apart as a direct result of it either.

Odd.

/Now...alcohol? Universal solvent! Dissolves households, marriages, careers...
2014-01-19 10:42:18 PM
2 votes:

MJMaloney187: vygramul: MJMaloney187: Way to jump on the bandwagon, President Hypocrite.

Would you prefer he be staunchly anti-pot?

Of course not!! But he was when it was politically convenient (because he a p*ssy politician). He should have made those remarks 5 years ago. He didn't. I remember some natty-nelly asking him at a "town hall" meeting several years ago, "Saint POTUS, should the devil weed be legalized?" The old hypocrite said, "no". The audience actually applauded. Morons.

Concerning the sweet, sweet cheeba, President Obama is a hypocrite.


FTFY.
2014-01-19 07:55:21 PM
2 votes:
Any farker who is interested can go interview ER Pers. at their local hospitals.  Ask a very specific question:  "How many individuals have been examined/treated/admitted owing to a condition attributable to marijuana, alone?

If the interview(s) (best to go during down-times) doesn't devolve into ethanol only horror stories, please, post them up... (they particularly focus on the slightly injured but disgustingly drunk accident victims that freak out when they mistake evacuation of liquid stool for blood and go smearing it all over the equipment and everything else before being tied down - dare you to find a `marijuana' story like that).

/petition for a rescheduling, barry - it ain't like the farking Marinol wasn't dropped to CIII in `09
// "Addiction" is an attribute arising from a moral judgment - `physical dependency' is something else altogether - though still not worthy of `stigma'
2014-01-19 07:28:21 PM
2 votes:

MayoSlather: Lsherm: In case you haven't noticed, we've spent the last 50 years trying to get people to stop using nicotine.

True, but we haven't spent a dime incarcerating people for using it, which seems far more reasonable.


Also the rate of smoking has declined significantly over those 50 years. Count me among them. 1 week as of today.
2014-01-19 07:00:33 PM
2 votes:

Lsherm: phillydrifter: Lsherm: Well, both are also highly addictive.

Like nicotine?

/f8cking scare tactics

Zeppelininthesky: Lsherm: Eddie Adams from Torrance: fusillade762: "If marijuana is fully legalized and at some point folks say, Well, we can come up with a negotiated dose of cocaine that we can show is not any more harmful than vodka, are we open to that?" Obama wondered. "If somebody says, We've got a finely calibrated dose of meth, it isn't going to kill you or rot your teeth, are we O.K. with that?"

Wow. Thoughtfulness and nuance from a politician.

Legalizing even the smallest amounts of cocaine or meth would be completely irresponsible.... since neither of those is still under patent protection.

Well, both are also highly addictive.  Pot isn't.

So is nicotine

Yeah, good for you people, nicotine is addictive.  Thank you for pointing that out.  Nicotine is the perfect example of why we should legalize cocaine and meth.

In case you haven't noticed, we've spent the last 50 years trying to get people to stop using nicotine.


The attempt to stop people from using nicotine is not based in racism, greed, or corporate protectionism.
2014-01-19 06:38:06 PM
2 votes:

TV's Vinnie: By now, the only ones who want to keep pot illegal are DEA Agents (reduced funding if pot becomes legal), televangelists (because they hate everything fun), and pot cartels (the obvious).


the for-profit private prison industry
2014-01-19 06:36:51 PM
2 votes:

Disappearing Hitchhiker: TV's Vinnie: By now, the only ones who want to keep pot illegal are DEA Agents (reduced funding if pot becomes legal), televangelists (because they hate everything fun), and pot cartels (the obvious).

Don't forget big alcohol...


If I were the CEO of nabisco I'd be lobbying the hell for pot legalization
2014-01-19 06:36:22 PM
2 votes:
Cigarettes lead to around 400,000 deaths a year in America alone, Alcohol leads to about 90,000 deaths a year in America alone, and is a factor in a lot of violent assaults, domestic violence and drug assisted rapes.

Putting Pot on par with either drug is a gross misrepresentation of the relative dangers of Pot use.
2014-01-19 06:35:03 PM
2 votes:

Descartes: Yeah, good plan, lets use booze and cigarettes as the gold standard.
If it's no worse than them, go for it!


Ok how about this- Pot is better for you than sugar, transfats, and caffeine.
2014-01-19 06:32:55 PM
2 votes:
There was never a good argument for the drug war - against any drugs - to begin with, it's all grounded in racism and farked up corporate protectionism.
2014-01-19 06:32:17 PM
2 votes:

Disappearing Hitchhiker: TV's Vinnie: By now, the only ones who want to keep pot illegal are DEA Agents (reduced funding if pot becomes legal), televangelists (because they hate everything fun), and pot cartels (the obvious).

Don't forget big alcohol...


And big pharma.
2014-01-19 06:31:02 PM
2 votes:
More like this, Mr. President...
2014-01-19 05:58:11 PM
2 votes:

fusillade762: "If marijuana is fully legalized and at some point folks say, Well, we can come up with a negotiated dose of cocaine that we can show is not any more harmful than vodka, are we open to that?" Obama wondered. "If somebody says, We've got a finely calibrated dose of meth, it isn't going to kill you or rot your teeth, are we O.K. with that?"

Wow. Thoughtfulness and nuance from a politician.


Legalizing even the smallest amounts of cocaine or meth would be completely irresponsible.... since neither of those is still under patent protection.
2014-01-19 05:49:53 PM
2 votes:
"If marijuana is fully legalized and at some point folks say, Well, we can come up with a negotiated dose of cocaine that we can show is not any more harmful than vodka, are we open to that?" Obama wondered. "If somebody says, We've got a finely calibrated dose of meth, it isn't going to kill you or rot your teeth, are we O.K. with that?"

Wow. Thoughtfulness and nuance from a politician.
2014-01-19 05:47:43 PM
2 votes:
2014-01-19 04:59:01 PM
2 votes:
Since this is the Moonie Times, I"m sure they're horrified by that statement.

And their readers are so mortified they'll need to go have one of the "nerve pills" they begged their doctor to give them.
2014-01-19 04:53:57 PM
2 votes:
I would love to smoke a fattie with the president. The snacks in the White House kitchen are likely awesome.
2014-01-20 06:45:04 AM
1 votes:

stoli n coke: whidbey: Frederick: whidbey: They are dangerous drugs, made in a laboratory. The human body cannot handle them in moderate or large doses.

Wouldnt you say the same thing about most pharmaceuticals, many available OTC?

Not sure why I said "large doses." Maybe I was channeling Keith Richards.

No, most OTC products are fine. Meth is nazi dope. I'm not sure how anyone could possibly regulate it for recreational purposes.

Meth was legal and regulated up until around the late 60s-early 70s. Wasn't until after it was illegal that bikers and hillbillies started making the shiat. I'm sure diet pill manufacturers would love for it to become legal again.


Its still legal. Can get it in pill form for ADD. And yes I mean meth, not the bullshiat kiddie crap adderall.

Desoxyn.
2014-01-20 05:41:35 AM
1 votes:

whidbey: Frederick: whidbey: They are dangerous drugs, made in a laboratory. The human body cannot handle them in moderate or large doses.

Wouldnt you say the same thing about most pharmaceuticals, many available OTC?

Not sure why I said "large doses." Maybe I was channeling Keith Richards.

No, most OTC products are fine. Meth is nazi dope. I'm not sure how anyone could possibly regulate it for recreational purposes.


Meth was legal and regulated up until around the late 60s-early 70s. Wasn't until after it was illegal that bikers and hillbillies started making the shiat. I'm sure diet pill manufacturers would love for it to become legal again.
2014-01-20 03:33:03 AM
1 votes:

nerftaig: lunging_man_ass: .

Really? The first black dude to run this country makes weed legal? That's what our history books will read?

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That is a valid point, but it is a sad thing that fear of being a punchline is keeping people in prison. Historical relevance is not important compared to making the world a better place today. Let history take care of itself. Fix it now.


Hey, I wholeheartedly agree with you. I say disband the DEA, let us have our drugs, let us have our guns, let our gays marry, bring the NSA into daylight, and stop using social security like a piggy bank, I could go on.

This country needs to be more open to letting Americans be Americans, in whatever way they see fit. What you put into your body is a part of that.
2014-01-20 03:27:56 AM
1 votes:

lunging_man_ass: One thing I think you all are missing. His crowning achievement is health care reform, and he has presided over an overall economic recovery after two terms of Republican incompetence.

Obama's term is historic. The last 15 years, and probably the next 5, will be remembered for generations as shaping the landscape of our country and the world in the coming century.

I don't think he wants to be remembered as the "President Who Gave Us Ganja".

Really? The first black dude to run this country makes weed legal? That's what our history books will read?

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That is a valid point, but it is a sad thing that fear of being a punchline is keeping people in prison. Historical relevance is not important compared to making the world a better place today. Let history take care of itself. Fix it now.
2014-01-20 02:27:13 AM
1 votes:
Mr. Obama said. "If marijuana is fully legalized and at some point folks say, 'Well, we can come up with a negotiated dose of cocaine that we can show is not any more harmful than vodka.' Are we open to that? If somebody says, 'We've got a finely calibrated dose of meth, it isn't going to kill you or rot your teeth.' Are we OK with that?"



No farkin' way that shiat is going to happen. Meth and coke will remain illegal. They are dangerous drugs, made in a laboratory. The human body cannot handle them in moderate or large doses.

Disappointing that Obama does have a rather socially conservative attitude towards the social benefits of cannabis, but he makes up for it by more or less stating the War on Drugs is bullshiat.
m00
2014-01-20 01:58:56 AM
1 votes:

Noam Chimpsky: Don't even try that bullshiat. Every great author, composer, inventor, painter, philosopher and anyone else worth a damn liked to drink some adult beverages..Those who had some accomplishments and smoked pot lost the ability to create anything worthwhile after 10 years or so of smoking it, or their brains went cancerous like Bob Marley.


This is one of the dumber things I've read on Fark.
m00
2014-01-20 01:39:54 AM
1 votes:

stoli n coke: Tax weed in order to pay Phish to never release another album.
Tax weed to cover the cost of earplugs for all Americans so they don't have to listen to some idiot ranting about how great Ron Paul (or his son, Ron W. Paul) is.
Tax weed to pay for public service announcements to remind folks that for every pothead that grows up to be Woody Harrelson or Willie Nelson, there are a hundred who just turn into fatass losers who have read Lord of the Rings too many times.


Man, I feel bad for you. It must be hard carrying that much anger towards others.
2014-01-20 01:07:50 AM
1 votes:

Frederick: cptjeff: Frederick: I have personal experience with most of these drugs and alcohol is by far the most destructive -yet totally legal.

For a certain segment of the population, it's incredibly destructive. For most people, alcohol is routine, non-addictive, and easily managed. Alcoholism is caused by a difference in brain chemistry, for the vast majority of people alcohol is fine. 10% of the population or thereabouts suffers from addiction, but the rest of us don't.

While it's terrible for that 10%, you can't base policy around that 10% when it's a popular and relatively safe drug for 90%. We regulate its use, certainly, but the law can't ban steak because it's unsafe for babies to eat. Crack and meth are harmful to 100%. Nicotine is addictive to something like 90%- there are people who are don't respond, but they're few, and tobacco products, the source of the vast majority of nicotine, are harmful to 100%, though the harm is over the long term, where the harm from hard drugs and alcohol addiction is pretty immediate.

Did you just make these statistics up?  What is the (obviously your) definition of harmful?


Effects caused by the lack of quality control over cocaine, meth and crack production?
2014-01-19 11:17:03 PM
1 votes:

TV's Vinnie: By now, the only ones who want to keep pot illegal are DEA Agents (reduced funding if pot becomes legal), televangelists (because they hate everything fun), and pot cartels (the obvious).


Don't forget local police--asset forfeiture is one sweet gravy train.
2014-01-19 09:25:47 PM
1 votes:
Cool. Now how about letting Marc Emery go back to Canada?
2014-01-19 08:26:59 PM
1 votes:

Frederick: Lsherm: Eddie Adams from Torrance: fusillade762: "If marijuana is fully legalized and at some point folks say, Well, we can come up with a negotiated dose of cocaine that we can show is not any more harmful than vodka, are we open to that?" Obama wondered. "If somebody says, We've got a finely calibrated dose of meth, it isn't going to kill you or rot your teeth, are we O.K. with that?"

Wow. Thoughtfulness and nuance from a politician.

Legalizing even the smallest amounts of cocaine or meth would be completely irresponsible.... since neither of those is still under patent protection.

Well, both are also highly addictive.  Pot isn't.

Like cigarettes?

/probably already stated


Alcohol too. I'm all for legalizing cocaine, H, meth and the like. Turn that enforcement money over to treatment money. Ban importation of drugs or their precursors. Tax the holy bejeebus out of it to help pay for the treatment. Put actual criminals in jail.
2014-01-19 08:18:23 PM
1 votes:
TV's Vinnie: By now, the only ones who want to keep pot illegal are DEA Agents (reduced funding if pot becomes legal), televangelists (because they hate everything fun), and pot cartels (the obvious).
=============================================

Um, you're forgetting Big Pharma. In fact, that's the ONLY thing that really cares is Big Pharma.

Pot is GLORIOUS at keeping your nausea and pain at bay for a cancer paitent. Plus, munchies!
2014-01-19 08:10:33 PM
1 votes:

A Dark Evil Omen: There was never a good argument for the drug war - against any drugs - to begin with, it's all grounded in racism and farked up corporate protectionism.


Not to mention generations of self-perpetuating poverty and staggeringly small amounts of class mobility that's facilitated in part by the criminal stigma associated with drug-related crimes.
2014-01-19 07:55:56 PM
1 votes:

Sgygus: Too bad he can't change how cannabis is scheduled.


The last year of his administration, when it will cost him not political capital that could hamper implementing things like imigration reform, he will change what he can.
jek
2014-01-19 07:54:50 PM
1 votes:
Well that sucks. Nothing will make Republicans line up against something quicker than Obama saying he something positive about it.
2014-01-19 07:47:47 PM
1 votes:
Hey, Obama. You have a phone. Give Holder a call and tell him to send the DEA home.
2014-01-19 07:32:53 PM
1 votes:
Way to jump on the bandwagon, President Hypocrite.
2014-01-19 07:26:59 PM
1 votes:
But then what would the CIA do to fund their black project assassinations, bribery and coups?
2014-01-19 07:17:39 PM
1 votes:
What a reasonable view. Too bad Obama's not in a position to effect legislation or anything.
2014-01-19 07:16:08 PM
1 votes:
Its almost as if every beneficial chemical also has harmful side effects and should be used in proper dosage.

Hmmmm.
2014-01-19 07:13:12 PM
1 votes:

Lsherm: Eddie Adams from Torrance: fusillade762: "If marijuana is fully legalized and at some point folks say, Well, we can come up with a negotiated dose of cocaine that we can show is not any more harmful than vodka, are we open to that?" Obama wondered. "If somebody says, We've got a finely calibrated dose of meth, it isn't going to kill you or rot your teeth, are we O.K. with that?"

Wow. Thoughtfulness and nuance from a politician.

Legalizing even the smallest amounts of cocaine or meth would be completely irresponsible.... since neither of those is still under patent protection.

Well, both are also highly addictive.  Pot isn't.


Neither is LSD.
2014-01-19 06:41:07 PM
1 votes:

Target Builder: Cigarettes lead to around 400,000 deaths a year in America alone, Alcohol leads to about 90,000 deaths a year in America alone, and is a factor in a lot of violent assaults, domestic violence and drug assisted rapes.

Putting Pot on par with either drug is a gross misrepresentation of the relative dangers of Pot use.


This. It's actually far more benign.
2014-01-19 06:34:19 PM
1 votes:
"If marijuana is fully legalized and at some point folks say, Well, we can come up with a negotiated dose of cocaine that we can show is not any more harmful than vodka, are we open to that?" Obama wondered. "If somebody says, We've got a finely calibrated dose of meth, it isn't going to kill you or rot your teeth, are we O.K. with that?"

Yes.
2014-01-19 06:31:36 PM
1 votes:
Yeah, good plan, lets use booze and cigarettes as the gold standard.
If it's no worse than them, go for it!
2014-01-19 06:25:15 PM
1 votes:

phillydrifter: Lsherm: Well, both are also highly addictive.

Like nicotine?

/f8cking scare tactics


And caffeine.
 
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