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2014-01-20 03:11:55 AM  

Noam Chimpsky: m00: Noam Chimpsky: Don't even try that bullshiat. Every great author, composer, inventor, painter, philosopher and anyone else worth a damn liked to drink some adult beverages..Those who had some accomplishments and smoked pot lost the ability to create anything worthwhile after 10 years or so of smoking it, or their brains went cancerous like Bob Marley.

This is one of the dumber things I've read on Fark.

Okay, I'll name a drinker who had great accomplishments and you name a pot head and we'll see who runs out of names first.

Albert Einstein. He liked some wine and cognac.

Your turn. As a bonus, try to name some non-musicians who didn't choke on their vomit in their twenties.


Carl Sagan
 
2014-01-20 03:14:10 AM  
It has been mentioned, but if only the president had power to pardon people merely incarcerated for possession of marijuana.

It is great that he admitted our hypocrisy to some degree, but it is hard to not be angry that the baby step is so small.

Learn to walk already baby. Can we be done with this bullshiat?
 
2014-01-20 03:24:29 AM  
One thing I think you all are missing. His crowning achievement is health care reform, and he has presided over an overall economic recovery after two terms of Republican incompetence.

Obama's term is historic. The last 15 years, and probably the next 5, will be remembered for generations as shaping the landscape of our country and the world in the coming century.

I don't think he wants to be remembered as the "President Who Gave Us Ganja".

Really? The first black dude to run this country makes weed legal? That's what our history books will read?

i.imgur.com
 
2014-01-20 03:27:56 AM  

lunging_man_ass: One thing I think you all are missing. His crowning achievement is health care reform, and he has presided over an overall economic recovery after two terms of Republican incompetence.

Obama's term is historic. The last 15 years, and probably the next 5, will be remembered for generations as shaping the landscape of our country and the world in the coming century.

I don't think he wants to be remembered as the "President Who Gave Us Ganja".

Really? The first black dude to run this country makes weed legal? That's what our history books will read?

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That is a valid point, but it is a sad thing that fear of being a punchline is keeping people in prison. Historical relevance is not important compared to making the world a better place today. Let history take care of itself. Fix it now.
 
2014-01-20 03:31:33 AM  
This is very irresponsible of Obama. My friend's cousin smoked some "grass" once and tried to microwave his own head. He would have done it too if he could've got the door closed.
 
2014-01-20 03:33:03 AM  

nerftaig: lunging_man_ass: .

Really? The first black dude to run this country makes weed legal? That's what our history books will read?

[i.imgur.com image 612x524]

That is a valid point, but it is a sad thing that fear of being a punchline is keeping people in prison. Historical relevance is not important compared to making the world a better place today. Let history take care of itself. Fix it now.


Hey, I wholeheartedly agree with you. I say disband the DEA, let us have our drugs, let us have our guns, let our gays marry, bring the NSA into daylight, and stop using social security like a piggy bank, I could go on.

This country needs to be more open to letting Americans be Americans, in whatever way they see fit. What you put into your body is a part of that.
 
2014-01-20 03:46:32 AM  

log_jammin: m00: Noam Chimpsky: Don't even try that bullshiat. Every great author, composer, inventor, painter, philosopher and anyone else worth a damn liked to drink some adult beverages..Those who had some accomplishments and smoked pot lost the ability to create anything worthwhile after 10 years or so of smoking it, or their brains went cancerous like Bob Marley.

This is one of the dumber things I've read on Fark.

I have him labeled with "They are Obama's Arab Spring army from the illegal war he conducted and they control Libya." from a past thread. he's capable for saying much dumber things.


True story, Bro.

/I actually  have Chimpsky farkied as "idiot, Mark Stein's BFF"
 
2014-01-20 04:34:12 AM  

m00: thehobbes: Legalize it, tax it, use the money for mental health/drug addiction research and treatment like the tobacco tax and cancer research.

Why tax it? Why not just... legalize it. Just because people enjoy something doesn't mean you have to tax it.

When people ask "why legalize pot?" the answer is "because Americans enjoy doing it in the privacy of their homes, hurting no one." By default things should be legal and not taxed. Things that are made illegal and/or taxed are what should be justified, not the other way around.

Tax cars to pay for roads. Tax financial institutions to pay for regulating them so they don't crash our economy every 20 years. Tax cigarettes to pay for end-of-life care for people dying of cancer. Tax alcohol to pay for end-of-life care for people dying of liver disease. Tax weed... why?


It still has a social cost, just like booze.

There will still be morons driving under the influence, self-medicating to the point that they require treatment, etc.

Additionally it is a source of revenue on an entirely optional product. We tax sales and food too, for no other reason than revenue.

Not every tax dollar needs to come directly from related activity, and even if it did you still wouldn't have the perfect fairness I suspect you believe you are proposing. All you will get is an outward and simplistic appearance thereof.Roads being a great example for that. My drinking causes zero problems to society, why should I be taxed?
 
2014-01-20 04:44:45 AM  

SkorzenyNinja: In an alternate universe, President Mitt Romney* condemned the voters of Colorado and Washington state for their short-sighted and ultimately destructive decisions regarding dangerous, addictive Schedule One gateway drugs. Following his inauguration, the DEA is issued strict instructions to monitor and crack down on medical marijuana dispensaries in Colorado and Washington, with further strict oversight in every other state with medical marijuana statutes.

Local police in Colorado and Washington gladly comply with Federal directives, actively harassing and punishing anyone involved in the medical marijuana business, as well as anyone thinking that the passage of simple state amendments would change anything for a substance still illegal at a federal level. Arrests, tickets and other infractions for marijuana use rise throughout 2013, disrupting a trend leaning towards decriminalization in the years prior.

As a handful of nervous shop owners opened their dispensaries to recreational use in Colorado on New Year's Day 2014, their first sight consisted of police and DEA surrounding a pitiful line of people seemingly arriving more in protest than anything else. Recreational marijuana collapses within a week in the state of Colorado under intense Federal pressure.

2015: President Mitt Romney* invades Mexico in an extension of the War On Drugs.


*insert John McCain or Sarah Palin here, because alternate histories

/That last part, okay actually the whole thing, is a bit over the top
//But still, come on guys, things could be going a lot worse. I think Obama deserves a little credit here
/// three slashies


In fark world, the bulk of the population is supposed to agree with the average farker. Politicians should not follow the will of the people, but rather sync up with farkers' views.

I want it legal. Many polls show I am hardly alone. But politicians are not elected on single issues. If I trust an elected official for one thing it is knowing their election team knew which sides of issues were winners and losers. Obama isn't moderate just to stick it to us farkers. He is moderate because if he weren't he couldn't have elected twice.

Even his moderate policies are attacked as pure socialism. His smallest attempts to tax the rich divide the country.

I don't begrudge him or other politicians the choice to hang back a bit on marijuana.

/prohibition is garbage, but it is supported by voters who believe in it. It takes time to sway public opinion, and the less the left makes it a huge political issue the sooner the right can get on board and change can happen. Push too hard and the political opposition pushes the issue back a decade.
 
2014-01-20 04:50:48 AM  

hubiestubert: Where are the Libertarians lauding Obama for his coming to his senses?

I thought this was the day y'all were dreaming of...


Busy being the white racist Republicans they actually are, in reality.
 
2014-01-20 04:53:35 AM  

Sgygus: Too bad he can't change how cannabis is scheduled.


This.

In other news, Obama joins Phelps, Governator in pantheon of potheads who never accomplished anything.
 
2014-01-20 04:57:26 AM  

fusillade762: "If marijuana is fully legalized and at some point folks say, Well, we can come up with a negotiated dose of cocaine that we can show is not any more harmful than vodka, are we open to that?" Obama wondered. "If somebody says, We've got a finely calibrated dose of meth, it isn't going to kill you or rot your teeth, are we O.K. with that?"


No, we are definitely not. There is no way we should take a chance at letting people think for themselves on any issue. What next, bleach being legal? Then what, vinegar?
 
2014-01-20 05:05:25 AM  

MayoSlather: "I also think that, when it comes to harder drugs, the harm done to the user is profound and the social costs are profound."

So are the costs of putting people in prison and giving them a criminal record where they can no longer get work where they are capable of supporting themselves. Not to mention there's the whole thing about living in a free society.

Also, does this endorsement mean Obama is going to move on getting marijuana off the schedule 1 list? Because that needs to happen.


lol. dude talks plenty but has zero action behind it.
 
2014-01-20 05:23:40 AM  

Frederick: whidbey: They are dangerous drugs, made in a laboratory. The human body cannot handle them in moderate or large doses.

Wouldnt you say the same thing about most pharmaceuticals, many available OTC?


Not sure why I said "large doses." Maybe I was channeling Keith Richards.

No, most OTC products are fine. Meth is nazi dope. I'm not sure how anyone could possibly regulate it for recreational purposes.
 
2014-01-20 05:40:53 AM  

TV's Vinnie: By now, the only ones who want to keep pot illegal are DEA Agents (reduced funding if pot becomes legal), televangelists (because they hate everything fun), and pot cartels (the obvious).


you missed the largest:

for profit prisons
 
2014-01-20 05:41:35 AM  

whidbey: Frederick: whidbey: They are dangerous drugs, made in a laboratory. The human body cannot handle them in moderate or large doses.

Wouldnt you say the same thing about most pharmaceuticals, many available OTC?

Not sure why I said "large doses." Maybe I was channeling Keith Richards.

No, most OTC products are fine. Meth is nazi dope. I'm not sure how anyone could possibly regulate it for recreational purposes.


Meth was legal and regulated up until around the late 60s-early 70s. Wasn't until after it was illegal that bikers and hillbillies started making the shiat. I'm sure diet pill manufacturers would love for it to become legal again.
 
2014-01-20 05:45:22 AM  

dywed88: Lsherm: In case you haven't noticed, we've spent the last 50 years trying to get people to stop using nicotine.

And the government should take similar steps to minimize the use of alcohol, marijuana and other illegal drugs. Making it legal, does not mean advocating use. It doesn't even mean not advocating against it. It just means using it is not illegal.


Legalizing it doesn't imply it is good, it is just saying it isn't bad enough to make lots of criminals rich, which inevitably happens when things are banned.
 
2014-01-20 05:48:04 AM  

Doom MD: Crush the NSA, end the drug war, repeal the Hughes amendment, nationwide ccw reciprocity, reinstate net neutrality. Hear the lamitations of their women!!!


F-inishedTFY
 
2014-01-20 06:14:17 AM  

stoli n coke: Meth was legal and regulated up until around the late 60s-early 70s.


It's still legal and regulated. Good luck finding a doc that will agree to prescribe it for you, though.
 
2014-01-20 06:24:09 AM  

incendi: stoli n coke: Meth was legal and regulated up until around the late 60s-early 70s.

It's still legal and regulated. Good luck finding a doc that will agree to prescribe it for you, though.


I talked to my doctor about it.  The prospect of prescribing it for me was clearly terrifying for him.  He mentioned the risk to his medical license about 5 times during the conversation.  He had no qualms about prescribing SSRI's though.
 
2014-01-20 06:45:04 AM  

stoli n coke: whidbey: Frederick: whidbey: They are dangerous drugs, made in a laboratory. The human body cannot handle them in moderate or large doses.

Wouldnt you say the same thing about most pharmaceuticals, many available OTC?

Not sure why I said "large doses." Maybe I was channeling Keith Richards.

No, most OTC products are fine. Meth is nazi dope. I'm not sure how anyone could possibly regulate it for recreational purposes.

Meth was legal and regulated up until around the late 60s-early 70s. Wasn't until after it was illegal that bikers and hillbillies started making the shiat. I'm sure diet pill manufacturers would love for it to become legal again.


Its still legal. Can get it in pill form for ADD. And yes I mean meth, not the bullshiat kiddie crap adderall.

Desoxyn.
 
2014-01-20 06:49:59 AM  

Kumana Wanalaia: The amount of cocaine or meth that isn't going to harm you more than drinking your fill of vodka isn't going to do shiat to get you high. It would probably feel like the equivalent of drinking a small coffee, if anything.


I've done much, much more dangerous things drinking or pilled out than I ever did coked up or tweaking.
 
2014-01-20 07:21:24 AM  

Disappearing Hitchhiker: TV's Vinnie: By now, the only ones who want to keep pot illegal are DEA Agents (reduced funding if pot becomes legal), televangelists (because they hate everything fun), and pot cartels (the obvious).

Don't forget big alcohol...


And big nylon.
 
2014-01-20 07:37:32 AM  

Noam Chimpsky: Marijuana is worse for your brain than crack and heroin. It turns you into an imbecile. You can prove this by striking up a conversation with any pot head. It is also nothing like a freakin cigarette. Obama's an idiot.


You've obviously never hung out with any math, computer science or physics majors.
 
2014-01-20 08:03:10 AM  

whidbey: Mr. Obama said. "If marijuana is fully legalized and at some point folks say, 'Well, we can come up with a negotiated dose of cocaine that we can show is not any more harmful than vodka.' Are we open to that? If somebody says, 'We've got a finely calibrated dose of meth, it isn't going to kill you or rot your teeth.' Are we OK with that?"

No farkin' way that shiat is going to happen. Meth and coke will remain illegal. They are dangerous drugs, made in a laboratory. The human body cannot handle them in moderate or large doses.

Disappointing that Obama does have a rather socially conservative attitude towards the social benefits of cannabis, but he makes up for it by more or less stating the War on Drugs is bullshiat.


Cocaine isn't as bad as meth; it isn't a lab-made synthesized drug, it is extract from leaves. It's not any more lab-like than a distillery making any of your whiskeys and the like.
 
2014-01-20 08:15:48 AM  

m00: Noam Chimpsky: Don't even try that bullshiat. Every great author, composer, inventor, painter, philosopher and anyone else worth a damn liked to drink some adult beverages..Those who had some accomplishments and smoked pot lost the ability to create anything worthwhile after 10 years or so of smoking it, or their brains went cancerous like Bob Marley.

This is one of the dumber things I've read on Fark.


That's not even in Chimpsky's top 20. Seriously.
 
2014-01-20 08:15:51 AM  

dr_blasto: whidbey: Mr. Obama said. "If marijuana is fully legalized and at some point folks say, 'Well, we can come up with a negotiated dose of cocaine that we can show is not any more harmful than vodka.' Are we open to that? If somebody says, 'We've got a finely calibrated dose of meth, it isn't going to kill you or rot your teeth.' Are we OK with that?"

No farkin' way that shiat is going to happen. Meth and coke will remain illegal. They are dangerous drugs, made in a laboratory. The human body cannot handle them in moderate or large doses.

Disappointing that Obama does have a rather socially conservative attitude towards the social benefits of cannabis, but he makes up for it by more or less stating the War on Drugs is bullshiat.

Cocaine isn't as bad as meth; it isn't a lab-made synthesized drug, it is extract from leaves. It's not any more lab-like than a distillery making any of your whiskeys and the like.


All drugs that have been processed in any way, other than harvesting, can be considered lab made.
 
2014-01-20 08:24:56 AM  

m00: Noam Chimpsky: Marijuana is worse for your brain than crack and heroin.

Nope.

Crack literally causes areas of brain death by destroying the blood vessels of the brain -- it's like giving yourself a bunch of mini strokes.
Heroin destroys your brain's dopmaine balance, probably permanently -- but it doesn't make you dumb... it just makes you chemically imbalanced. Marijuana causes some subtle effects in memory formation.

So it's not worse. Alcohol is worse for your brain long-term than marijuana.


He's obviously trolling, but thus far there is zero correlation to marrijuana having any permanent affects on brain function.

Also the argument pot might causes brain dysfunction kind of falls apart when we consider what sports are doing to brains. There's a direct correlation to multiple concussions causing CTE as early as the 40's and 50's. Alcohol, pot, MDMA, mushrooms, LSD are all safer than a few years of boxing,MMA, or playing football.

So unless they plan on banning sports too, we can drop this whole charade that society cares so much about healthy brain function that they'll enact laws to "protect" us.
 
2014-01-20 08:32:13 AM  

Shakin_Haitian: dr_blasto: whidbey: Mr. Obama said. "If marijuana is fully legalized and at some point folks say, 'Well, we can come up with a negotiated dose of cocaine that we can show is not any more harmful than vodka.' Are we open to that? If somebody says, 'We've got a finely calibrated dose of meth, it isn't going to kill you or rot your teeth.' Are we OK with that?"

No farkin' way that shiat is going to happen. Meth and coke will remain illegal. They are dangerous drugs, made in a laboratory. The human body cannot handle them in moderate or large doses.

Disappointing that Obama does have a rather socially conservative attitude towards the social benefits of cannabis, but he makes up for it by more or less stating the War on Drugs is bullshiat.

Cocaine isn't as bad as meth; it isn't a lab-made synthesized drug, it is extract from leaves. It's not any more lab-like than a distillery making any of your whiskeys and the like.

All drugs that have been processed in any way, other than harvesting, can be considered lab made.


If you consider beer, wine and whiskey to be lab-made, then fine.
 
2014-01-20 08:40:58 AM  

Mentat: fusillade762: "If marijuana is fully legalized and at some point folks say, Well, we can come up with a negotiated dose of cocaine that we can show is not any more harmful than vodka, are we open to that?" Obama wondered. "If somebody says, We've got a finely calibrated dose of meth, it isn't going to kill you or rot your teeth, are we O.K. with that?"

Wow. Thoughtfulness and nuance from a politician.

The entire original article is really great.


Thank you.  There's a reason you are emblazoned favingly in warm orange
 
2014-01-20 09:14:36 AM  

thehobbes: Had to fight/restrain/respond for multiple people on ethanol/pcp/meth/dexromorphan/spice/potpourri. 

Seen multiple polypharmaceutical overdoses who aspirated or quit breathing. 

Only had one call involving marijuana  as the sole drug coontampered at least). Teenagers who ate too many brownies and then their stomachs hurt and they were puking. 

Legalize it, tax it, use the money for mental health/drug addiction research and treatment like the tobacco tax and cancer research.


Was there a mass funeral for the teenagers or were they separate? Very sad.
 
2014-01-20 10:32:45 AM  
Mr. President, roll a few for your daughters, lead the way for parents that supported you, show us how it's done.....Dude.
 
2014-01-20 10:34:23 AM  
Hehe nope. Dropped them off at local ER to sleep it off. .. until their parents arrived
 
2014-01-20 10:36:14 AM  
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2014-01-20 11:38:06 AM  
If the Powers That Be are really so worried about a modern day REEFER MADNESS, may what should be done was a situation where pot is fully legal, but rationed.
 
2014-01-20 11:49:51 AM  

Zeppelininthesky: Lsherm: Eddie Adams from Torrance: fusillade762: "If marijuana is fully legalized and at some point folks say, Well, we can come up with a negotiated dose of cocaine that we can show is not any more harmful than vodka, are we open to that?" Obama wondered. "If somebody says, We've got a finely calibrated dose of meth, it isn't going to kill you or rot your teeth, are we O.K. with that?"

Wow. Thoughtfulness and nuance from a politician.

Legalizing even the smallest amounts of cocaine or meth would be completely irresponsible.... since neither of those is still under patent protection.

Well, both are also highly addictive.  Pot isn't.

So is nicotine


Nicotine isn't the problem, it's what you have to chew/smoke to get it that is the problem.
 
2014-01-20 01:19:39 PM  

nocturnal001: Zeppelininthesky: Lsherm: Eddie Adams from Torrance: fusillade762: "If marijuana is fully legalized and at some point folks say, Well, we can come up with a negotiated dose of cocaine that we can show is not any more harmful than vodka, are we open to that?" Obama wondered. "If somebody says, We've got a finely calibrated dose of meth, it isn't going to kill you or rot your teeth, are we O.K. with that?"

Wow. Thoughtfulness and nuance from a politician.

Legalizing even the smallest amounts of cocaine or meth would be completely irresponsible.... since neither of those is still under patent protection.

Well, both are also highly addictive.  Pot isn't.

So is nicotine

Nicotine isn't the problem, it's what you have to chew/smoke to get it that is the problem.


yup.
 
2014-01-20 02:23:02 PM  

dr_blasto: whidbey: Mr. Obama said. "If marijuana is fully legalized and at some point folks say, 'Well, we can come up with a negotiated dose of cocaine that we can show is not any more harmful than vodka.' Are we open to that? If somebody says, 'We've got a finely calibrated dose of meth, it isn't going to kill you or rot your teeth.' Are we OK with that?"

No farkin' way that shiat is going to happen. Meth and coke will remain illegal. They are dangerous drugs, made in a laboratory. The human body cannot handle them in moderate or large doses.

Disappointing that Obama does have a rather socially conservative attitude towards the social benefits of cannabis, but he makes up for it by more or less stating the War on Drugs is bullshiat.

Cocaine isn't as bad as meth; it isn't a lab-made synthesized drug, it is extract from leaves. It's not any more lab-like than a distillery making any of your whiskeys and the like.


I disagree.

Cocaine was never supposed to be the concentrated substance which was synthesized. It was a failure as an anesthetic, too. It doesn't really have any practical applications. It's also only one part of the entire 14 or so active compounds found in coca. It was a totally irresponsible creation.

Whisky, on the other hand, is just more alcohol in the glass. I don't see how you can compare the two.
 
2014-01-20 02:31:39 PM  
So can we impeach him now? The man is quite clearly unfit for political office.
 
2014-01-20 02:59:26 PM  

Rueened: So can we impeach him now? The man is quite clearly unfit for political office.


He's probably got one of those machines in the Oval Office where joints come out of a donkey's butt ferchrissakes.
 
2014-01-20 03:38:31 PM  

whidbey: He's probably got one of those machines in the Oval Office where joints come out of a donkey's butt ferchrissakes.


LOL...my grandpa had one of those back in the 50's. Haven't thought of that in ages.
 
2014-01-20 03:57:15 PM  

whidbey: dr_blasto: whidbey: Mr. Obama said. "If marijuana is fully legalized and at some point folks say, 'Well, we can come up with a negotiated dose of cocaine that we can show is not any more harmful than vodka.' Are we open to that? If somebody says, 'We've got a finely calibrated dose of meth, it isn't going to kill you or rot your teeth.' Are we OK with that?"

No farkin' way that shiat is going to happen. Meth and coke will remain illegal. They are dangerous drugs, made in a laboratory. The human body cannot handle them in moderate or large doses.

Disappointing that Obama does have a rather socially conservative attitude towards the social benefits of cannabis, but he makes up for it by more or less stating the War on Drugs is bullshiat.

Cocaine isn't as bad as meth; it isn't a lab-made synthesized drug, it is extract from leaves. It's not any more lab-like than a distillery making any of your whiskeys and the like.

I disagree.

Cocaine was never supposed to be the concentrated substance which was synthesized. It was a failure as an anesthetic, too. It doesn't really have any practical applications. It's also only one part of the entire 14 or so active compounds found in coca. It was a totally irresponsible creation.

Whisky, on the other hand, is just more alcohol in the glass. I don't see how you can compare the two.


Tell your ENT cocaine is a failure and you don't want it used the next time you have to have a maxillary sinus drained.
MSD .33gr tabs, for solutions, for the win (and the farking numb face)
 
2014-01-20 04:04:46 PM  

whidbey: Cocaine was never supposed to be the concentrated substance which was synthesized. It was a failure as an anesthetic, too. It doesn't really have any practical applications. It's also only one part of the entire 14 or so active compounds found in coca. It was a totally irresponsible creation.


No, cocaine actually is a good local anesthetic and analgesic.  The practical applications of cocaine are the reason it's still a schedule II drug available by prescription.

Obviously, there are many applications where novacaine, lidocaine, prilocaine, etc. are better than cocaine.  But let's not pretend like there's no reason for cocaine's existence.

whidbey: Whisky, on the other hand, is just more alcohol in the glass. I don't see how you can compare the two.


Yeah, the long-term effects of whiskey kills a few orders of magnitude more people than the long-term effects of cocaine.   It's also easier to OD on whiskey than it is to OD on cocaine.

So, no... let's not compare them, because whiskey loses the comparison.
 
2014-01-20 05:44:19 PM  

The Larch: Obviously, there are many applications where novacaine, lidocaine, prilocaine, etc. are better than cocaine. But let's not pretend like there's no reason for cocaine's existence.


Last I heard, real coke was still the gold standard as a local in retinal and other delicate eye surgery - but that was a while back, and I think now they use it in lacrimal duct surgery and some nasal stuff. But, yeah - it's the best local for a few, narrow applications.
 
2014-01-20 06:13:52 PM  

log_jammin: m00: Noam Chimpsky: Don't even try that bullshiat. Every great author, composer, inventor, painter, philosopher and anyone else worth a damn liked to drink some adult beverages..Those who had some accomplishments and smoked pot lost the ability to create anything worthwhile after 10 years or so of smoking it, or their brains went cancerous like Bob Marley.

This is one of the dumber things I've read on Fark.

I have him labeled with "They are Obama's Arab Spring army from the illegal war he conducted and they control Libya." from a past thread. he's capable for saying much dumber things.


I just went with the far simpler "Retarded troll" label.
 
2014-01-20 07:32:07 PM  

Doom MD: Crush the NSA, end the drug war, repeal the Hughes amendment, nationwide ccw reciprocity, reinstate net neutrality. First baby steps to freedom.


This.
 
2014-01-20 08:14:41 PM  

Sgygus: Too bad he can't change how cannabis is scheduled.


.. without getting smacked down by Congress.

You forgot to finish your post; there all better.
 
2014-01-20 08:28:58 PM  

The Larch: whidbey: Cocaine was never supposed to be the concentrated substance which was synthesized. It was a failure as an anesthetic, too. It doesn't really have any practical applications. It's also only one part of the entire 14 or so active compounds found in coca. It was a totally irresponsible creation.

No, cocaine actually is a good local anesthetic and analgesic.  The practical applications of cocaine are the reason it's still a schedule II drug available by prescription.

Obviously, there are many applications where novacaine, lidocaine, prilocaine, etc. are better than cocaine.  But let's not pretend like there's no reason for cocaine's existence.

whidbey: Whisky, on the other hand, is just more alcohol in the glass. I don't see how you can compare the two.

Yeah, the long-term effects of whiskey kills a few orders of magnitude more people than the long-term effects of cocaine.   It's also easier to OD on whiskey than it is to OD on cocaine.

So, no... let's not compare them, because whiskey loses the comparison.


Also the whole comparison was the implication that if cocaine is "made in a laboratory" you can say the exact same thing about whiskey.

Also, can we please not bring up the "natural = good" falacy. There are an awful lot of very good synthetic compounds and tons of deadly natural ones.
 
2014-01-20 09:19:14 PM  

grumpfuff: Noam Chimpsky: m00: Noam Chimpsky: Don't even try that bullshiat. Every great author, composer, inventor, painter, philosopher and anyone else worth a damn liked to drink some adult beverages..Those who had some accomplishments and smoked pot lost the ability to create anything worthwhile after 10 years or so of smoking it, or their brains went cancerous like Bob Marley.

This is one of the dumber things I've read on Fark.

Okay, I'll name a drinker who had great accomplishments and you name a pot head and we'll see who runs out of names first.

Albert Einstein. He liked some wine and cognac.

Your turn. As a bonus, try to name some non-musicians who didn't choke on their vomit in their twenties.

Carl Sagan


Thank you. I'll spot you Holdren and Ehrlich too.

Beethoven. Drank several bottles of wine daily.
 
2014-01-20 09:33:07 PM  

quatchi: log_jammin: m00: Noam Chimpsky: Don't even try that bullshiat. Every great author, composer, inventor, painter, philosopher and anyone else worth a damn liked to drink some adult beverages..Those who had some accomplishments and smoked pot lost the ability to create anything worthwhile after 10 years or so of smoking it, or their brains went cancerous like Bob Marley.

This is one of the dumber things I've read on Fark.

I have him labeled with "They are Obama's Arab Spring army from the illegal war he conducted and they control Libya." from a past thread. he's capable for saying much dumber things.

True story, Bro.

/I actually  have Chimpsky farkied as "idiot, Mark Stein's BFF"


Oh, man, you guys say such mean things about me. But I do like Mark Steyn. He is a great writer. If that is who you were referring to.
 
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