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(Washington Times)   "Pot is not very different from cigarettes, is no more dangerous than booze." Well that's, like, just your opinion, Mr. President   (washingtontimes.com) divider line 202
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2014-01-19 04:24:42 PM
And water is wet.
 
2014-01-19 04:30:38 PM
Too bad he's not in charge of the DEA.
 
2014-01-19 04:52:19 PM
Too bad he can't change how cannabis is scheduled.
 
2014-01-19 04:53:57 PM
I would love to smoke a fattie with the president. The snacks in the White House kitchen are likely awesome.
 
2014-01-19 04:59:01 PM
Since this is the Moonie Times, I"m sure they're horrified by that statement.

And their readers are so mortified they'll need to go have one of the "nerve pills" they begged their doctor to give them.
 
2014-01-19 05:47:43 PM
 
2014-01-19 05:49:53 PM
"If marijuana is fully legalized and at some point folks say, Well, we can come up with a negotiated dose of cocaine that we can show is not any more harmful than vodka, are we open to that?" Obama wondered. "If somebody says, We've got a finely calibrated dose of meth, it isn't going to kill you or rot your teeth, are we O.K. with that?"

Wow. Thoughtfulness and nuance from a politician.
 
2014-01-19 05:58:11 PM

fusillade762: "If marijuana is fully legalized and at some point folks say, Well, we can come up with a negotiated dose of cocaine that we can show is not any more harmful than vodka, are we open to that?" Obama wondered. "If somebody says, We've got a finely calibrated dose of meth, it isn't going to kill you or rot your teeth, are we O.K. with that?"

Wow. Thoughtfulness and nuance from a politician.


Legalizing even the smallest amounts of cocaine or meth would be completely irresponsible.... since neither of those is still under patent protection.
 
2014-01-19 06:07:52 PM

Eddie Adams from Torrance: fusillade762: "If marijuana is fully legalized and at some point folks say, Well, we can come up with a negotiated dose of cocaine that we can show is not any more harmful than vodka, are we open to that?" Obama wondered. "If somebody says, We've got a finely calibrated dose of meth, it isn't going to kill you or rot your teeth, are we O.K. with that?"

Wow. Thoughtfulness and nuance from a politician.

Legalizing even the smallest amounts of cocaine or meth would be completely irresponsible.... since neither of those is still under patent protection.


Well, both are also highly addictive.  Pot isn't.
 
2014-01-19 06:10:20 PM
I want to get wasted with Obama.
 
2014-01-19 06:22:17 PM
Far less dangerous than booze, actually.
 
2014-01-19 06:22:35 PM
No more dangerous than booze? I'd say less but the point is still valid.

fusillade762: "If marijuana is fully legalized and at some point folks say, Well, we can come up with a negotiated dose of cocaine that we can show is not any more harmful than vodka, are we open to that?" Obama wondered. "If somebody says, We've got a finely calibrated dose of meth, it isn't going to kill you or rot your teeth, are we O.K. with that?"

Wow. Thoughtfulness and nuance from a politician.


I'm certainly more impressed with his thoughtfulness on this topic now than I was when he was trying to laugh the topic off earlier in his presidency.
 
2014-01-19 06:23:09 PM

Lsherm: Well, both are also highly addictive.


Like nicotine?

/f8cking scare tactics
 
2014-01-19 06:25:15 PM

phillydrifter: Lsherm: Well, both are also highly addictive.

Like nicotine?

/f8cking scare tactics


And caffeine.
 
2014-01-19 06:25:49 PM
By now, the only ones who want to keep pot illegal are DEA Agents (reduced funding if pot becomes legal), televangelists (because they hate everything fun), and pot cartels (the obvious).
 
2014-01-19 06:26:03 PM
(He dodges the question by jumping from "if we legalize weed, will coke, meth be next?") Well lets see, alcohol is legal and kills thousands annually. Tobacco is legal and kills thousands annually.

/weed for president
//you know why -- a la Cruz "pot still schedule 1, Obama says "don't worry about it" -- Biden is going to run down every one of those legal pot shops come Jan 21 2017
 
2014-01-19 06:26:08 PM
I'm scared and nothing 0bummer can say will stop me from being scared.

So vote republican
 
2014-01-19 06:27:41 PM
I'm curious what to expect since he's indicated that it is "important" to let the marijuana legalization efforts move forward in CO and WA.
 
2014-01-19 06:30:31 PM

TV's Vinnie: By now, the only ones who want to keep pot illegal are DEA Agents (reduced funding if pot becomes legal), televangelists (because they hate everything fun), and pot cartels (the obvious).


Don't forget big alcohol...
 
2014-01-19 06:30:34 PM
"I also think that, when it comes to harder drugs, the harm done to the user is profound and the social costs are profound."

So are the costs of putting people in prison and giving them a criminal record where they can no longer get work where they are capable of supporting themselves. Not to mention there's the whole thing about living in a free society.

Also, does this endorsement mean Obama is going to move on getting marijuana off the schedule 1 list? Because that needs to happen.
 
2014-01-19 06:31:02 PM
More like this, Mr. President...
 
2014-01-19 06:31:36 PM
Yeah, good plan, lets use booze and cigarettes as the gold standard.
If it's no worse than them, go for it!
 
2014-01-19 06:32:17 PM

Disappearing Hitchhiker: TV's Vinnie: By now, the only ones who want to keep pot illegal are DEA Agents (reduced funding if pot becomes legal), televangelists (because they hate everything fun), and pot cartels (the obvious).

Don't forget big alcohol...


And big pharma.
 
2014-01-19 06:32:40 PM
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2014-01-19 06:32:48 PM

Lsherm: Eddie Adams from Torrance: fusillade762: "If marijuana is fully legalized and at some point folks say, Well, we can come up with a negotiated dose of cocaine that we can show is not any more harmful than vodka, are we open to that?" Obama wondered. "If somebody says, We've got a finely calibrated dose of meth, it isn't going to kill you or rot your teeth, are we O.K. with that?"

Wow. Thoughtfulness and nuance from a politician.

Legalizing even the smallest amounts of cocaine or meth would be completely irresponsible.... since neither of those is still under patent protection.

Well, both are also highly addictive.  Pot isn't.


So is nicotine
 
2014-01-19 06:32:55 PM
There was never a good argument for the drug war - against any drugs - to begin with, it's all grounded in racism and farked up corporate protectionism.
 
2014-01-19 06:34:19 PM
"If marijuana is fully legalized and at some point folks say, Well, we can come up with a negotiated dose of cocaine that we can show is not any more harmful than vodka, are we open to that?" Obama wondered. "If somebody says, We've got a finely calibrated dose of meth, it isn't going to kill you or rot your teeth, are we O.K. with that?"

Yes.
 
2014-01-19 06:34:56 PM
Crush the NSA, end the drug war, repeal the Hughes amendment, nationwide ccw reciprocity, reinstate net neutrality. First baby steps to freedom.
 
2014-01-19 06:35:03 PM

Descartes: Yeah, good plan, lets use booze and cigarettes as the gold standard.
If it's no worse than them, go for it!


Ok how about this- Pot is better for you than sugar, transfats, and caffeine.
 
2014-01-19 06:36:22 PM
Cigarettes lead to around 400,000 deaths a year in America alone, Alcohol leads to about 90,000 deaths a year in America alone, and is a factor in a lot of violent assaults, domestic violence and drug assisted rapes.

Putting Pot on par with either drug is a gross misrepresentation of the relative dangers of Pot use.
 
2014-01-19 06:36:51 PM

Disappearing Hitchhiker: TV's Vinnie: By now, the only ones who want to keep pot illegal are DEA Agents (reduced funding if pot becomes legal), televangelists (because they hate everything fun), and pot cartels (the obvious).

Don't forget big alcohol...


If I were the CEO of nabisco I'd be lobbying the hell for pot legalization
 
2014-01-19 06:38:06 PM

TV's Vinnie: By now, the only ones who want to keep pot illegal are DEA Agents (reduced funding if pot becomes legal), televangelists (because they hate everything fun), and pot cartels (the obvious).


the for-profit private prison industry
 
2014-01-19 06:41:07 PM

Target Builder: Cigarettes lead to around 400,000 deaths a year in America alone, Alcohol leads to about 90,000 deaths a year in America alone, and is a factor in a lot of violent assaults, domestic violence and drug assisted rapes.

Putting Pot on par with either drug is a gross misrepresentation of the relative dangers of Pot use.


This. It's actually far more benign.
 
2014-01-19 06:42:09 PM

phillydrifter: Lsherm: Well, both are also highly addictive.

Like nicotine?

/f8cking scare tactics


Zeppelininthesky: Lsherm: Eddie Adams from Torrance: fusillade762: "If marijuana is fully legalized and at some point folks say, Well, we can come up with a negotiated dose of cocaine that we can show is not any more harmful than vodka, are we open to that?" Obama wondered. "If somebody says, We've got a finely calibrated dose of meth, it isn't going to kill you or rot your teeth, are we O.K. with that?"

Wow. Thoughtfulness and nuance from a politician.

Legalizing even the smallest amounts of cocaine or meth would be completely irresponsible.... since neither of those is still under patent protection.

Well, both are also highly addictive.  Pot isn't.

So is nicotine


Yeah, good for you people, nicotine is addictive.  Thank you for pointing that out.  Nicotine is the perfect example of why we should legalize cocaine and meth.

In case you haven't noticed, we've spent the last 50 years trying to get people to stop using nicotine.
 
2014-01-19 06:43:07 PM

phillydrifter: (He dodges the question by jumping from "if we legalize weed, will coke, meth be next?") Well lets see, alcohol is legal and kills thousands annually. Tobacco is legal and kills thousands annually.

/weed for president
//you know why -- a la Cruz "pot still schedule 1, Obama says "don't worry about it" -- Biden is going to run down every one of those legal pot shops come Jan 21 2017


Are you having a stroke?  There was nothing remotely coherent about that post.
 
2014-01-19 06:43:30 PM

Doom MD: Disappearing Hitchhiker: TV's Vinnie: By now, the only ones who want to keep pot illegal are DEA Agents (reduced funding if pot becomes legal), televangelists (because they hate everything fun), and pot cartels (the obvious).

Don't forget big alcohol...

If I were the CEO of nabisco I'd be lobbying the hell for pot legalization


You should google the history of Phillip Morris, Nabisco, and Kraft.
 
2014-01-19 06:43:53 PM

Descartes: Yeah, good plan, lets use booze and cigarettes as the gold standard.
If it's no worse than them, go for it!


Considering it is widely accepted that alcohol and cigarettes are not dangerous enough to warranted being banned, I would say it is a pretty relevant standard. Especially when there is a significant overlap between people that are against legalizing marijuana and those opposed to any restrictions on smoking in public places.
 
2014-01-19 06:44:53 PM

Target Builder: and is a factor in a lot of violent assaults, domestic violence and drug assisted rapes.


I read that quickly, and thought you said "dog-assisted rapes".
 
2014-01-19 06:48:11 PM

Lsherm: phillydrifter: Lsherm: Well, both are also highly addictive.

Like nicotine?

/f8cking scare tactics

Zeppelininthesky: Lsherm: Eddie Adams from Torrance: fusillade762: "If marijuana is fully legalized and at some point folks say, Well, we can come up with a negotiated dose of cocaine that we can show is not any more harmful than vodka, are we open to that?" Obama wondered. "If somebody says, We've got a finely calibrated dose of meth, it isn't going to kill you or rot your teeth, are we O.K. with that?"

Wow. Thoughtfulness and nuance from a politician.

Legalizing even the smallest amounts of cocaine or meth would be completely irresponsible.... since neither of those is still under patent protection.

Well, both are also highly addictive.  Pot isn't.

So is nicotine

Yeah, good for you people, nicotine is addictive.  Thank you for pointing that out.  Nicotine is the perfect example of why we should legalize cocaine and meth.

In case you haven't noticed, we've spent the last 50 years trying to get people to stop using nicotine.


Legalize marijuana, decriminalize the rest, use the money saved on incarcerating people to fund treatment programs. You know, pretty much what Portugal did except for making weed legal.
 
2014-01-19 06:48:38 PM

simplicimus: Too bad he's not in charge of the DEA.


2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-01-19 06:50:18 PM

Precious Roy's Horse Dividers: I would love to smoke a fattie with the president. The snacks in the White House kitchen are likely awesome.


You want to be Willie Nelson when you grow up?
 
2014-01-19 06:52:47 PM
I'm fine with it being legal to eat, smoking not so much. That shiat smells terrible.
 
2014-01-19 06:54:50 PM
Obviously, you're not a president, subby.

This will not stand, man.
 
2014-01-19 06:56:14 PM

Precious Roy's Horse Dividers: I would love to smoke a fattie with the president.


Obama bogarts

/based on that and other things I've read, I don't think I would have enjoyed toking with the POTUS in his youth. My crowd was much mellower when it came to smoking.
 
2014-01-19 06:59:25 PM
And yet we still can't place a wager on Farret Legging.
 
2014-01-19 07:00:33 PM

Lsherm: phillydrifter: Lsherm: Well, both are also highly addictive.

Like nicotine?

/f8cking scare tactics

Zeppelininthesky: Lsherm: Eddie Adams from Torrance: fusillade762: "If marijuana is fully legalized and at some point folks say, Well, we can come up with a negotiated dose of cocaine that we can show is not any more harmful than vodka, are we open to that?" Obama wondered. "If somebody says, We've got a finely calibrated dose of meth, it isn't going to kill you or rot your teeth, are we O.K. with that?"

Wow. Thoughtfulness and nuance from a politician.

Legalizing even the smallest amounts of cocaine or meth would be completely irresponsible.... since neither of those is still under patent protection.

Well, both are also highly addictive.  Pot isn't.

So is nicotine

Yeah, good for you people, nicotine is addictive.  Thank you for pointing that out.  Nicotine is the perfect example of why we should legalize cocaine and meth.

In case you haven't noticed, we've spent the last 50 years trying to get people to stop using nicotine.


The attempt to stop people from using nicotine is not based in racism, greed, or corporate protectionism.
 
2014-01-19 07:01:41 PM
The amount of cocaine or meth that isn't going to harm you more than drinking your fill of vodka isn't going to do shiat to get you high. It would probably feel like the equivalent of drinking a small coffee, if anything.
 
2014-01-19 07:09:11 PM

Lsherm: Eddie Adams from Torrance: Legalizing even the smallest amounts of cocaine or meth would be completely irresponsible.... since neither of those is still under patent protection.

Well, both are also highly addictive.  Pot isn't.


Also, meth and cocaine are schedule II, and are available with a prescription.
 
2014-01-19 07:12:12 PM
Legalize everything! Let Darwin sort it out! However, it may be a bit socialist if we have to pay taxes for incenerating the bodies of those who died of whatever. Ok. Screw that. Ban everything!!
 
2014-01-19 07:13:12 PM

Lsherm: Eddie Adams from Torrance: fusillade762: "If marijuana is fully legalized and at some point folks say, Well, we can come up with a negotiated dose of cocaine that we can show is not any more harmful than vodka, are we open to that?" Obama wondered. "If somebody says, We've got a finely calibrated dose of meth, it isn't going to kill you or rot your teeth, are we O.K. with that?"

Wow. Thoughtfulness and nuance from a politician.

Legalizing even the smallest amounts of cocaine or meth would be completely irresponsible.... since neither of those is still under patent protection.

Well, both are also highly addictive.  Pot isn't.


Neither is LSD.
 
2014-01-19 07:15:05 PM

Lsherm: In case you haven't noticed, we've spent the last 50 years trying to get people to stop using nicotine.


True, but we haven't spent a dime incarcerating people for using it, which seems far more reasonable.
 
2014-01-19 07:16:08 PM
Its almost as if every beneficial chemical also has harmful side effects and should be used in proper dosage.

Hmmmm.
 
2014-01-19 07:17:39 PM
What a reasonable view. Too bad Obama's not in a position to effect legislation or anything.
 
2014-01-19 07:26:59 PM
But then what would the CIA do to fund their black project assassinations, bribery and coups?
 
2014-01-19 07:28:21 PM

MayoSlather: Lsherm: In case you haven't noticed, we've spent the last 50 years trying to get people to stop using nicotine.

True, but we haven't spent a dime incarcerating people for using it, which seems far more reasonable.


Also the rate of smoking has declined significantly over those 50 years. Count me among them. 1 week as of today.
 
2014-01-19 07:30:56 PM

flynn80: But then what would the CIA do to fund their black project assassinations, bribery and coups?


They'd better come up with something fast and furious.
 
2014-01-19 07:31:14 PM
In another thread I stated that there was no chance that pot would be rescheduled by President Obama, and an hour or so later this headline came out. Sooo...I would like to respectfully retract my confident assertion. There are still nearly three years before the next presidential election, and since Mr. Obama is not up for reelection, rescheduling now appears possible. It would certainly take a lot of heat off Madam President...who will face enough challenges as it is. ;^)
 
2014-01-19 07:32:13 PM

MayoSlather: Lsherm: In case you haven't noticed, we've spent the last 50 years trying to get people to stop using nicotine.

True, but we haven't spent a dime incarcerating people for using it, which seems far more reasonable.


I think that's the crux of the issue. If we spent all the money we spent investigating, arresting, prosecuting, and locking up people that use drugs and put it into treatment programs and poverty prevention, the war against drugs might have been as successful as anti-smoking campaigns.
 
2014-01-19 07:32:53 PM
Way to jump on the bandwagon, President Hypocrite.
 
2014-01-19 07:36:23 PM

Lsherm: Eddie Adams from Torrance: fusillade762: "If marijuana is fully legalized and at some point folks say, Well, we can come up with a negotiated dose of cocaine that we can show is not any more harmful than vodka, are we open to that?" Obama wondered. "If somebody says, We've got a finely calibrated dose of meth, it isn't going to kill you or rot your teeth, are we O.K. with that?"

Wow. Thoughtfulness and nuance from a politician.

Legalizing even the smallest amounts of cocaine or meth would be completely irresponsible.... since neither of those is still under patent protection.

Well, both are also highly addictive.  Pot isn't.


But if it's cured of its dangers, all you're left with addiction itself. Mere addictiveness isn't necessarily bad... vitamins are addictive, just an addiction that humanity has had for a long time and become totally dependent on.
 
2014-01-19 07:36:34 PM
That a US President has said this aloud is a pretty big thing.
 
2014-01-19 07:36:37 PM

MJMaloney187: Way to jump on the bandwagon, President Hypocrite.


Would you prefer he be staunchly anti-pot?
 
2014-01-19 07:37:13 PM

iaazathot: That a US President has said this aloud is a pretty big thing.


A farking big deal, so to speak.
 
2014-01-19 07:37:38 PM
Now I'm starting to understand why Biden is still there.
 
2014-01-19 07:38:35 PM

HMS_Blinkin: phillydrifter: (He dodges the question by jumping from "if we legalize weed, will coke, meth be next?") Well lets see, alcohol is legal and kills thousands annually. Tobacco is legal and kills thousands annually.

/weed for president
//you know why -- a la Cruz "pot still schedule 1, Obama says "don't worry about it" -- Biden is going to run down every one of those legal pot shops come Jan 21 2017

Are you having a stroke?  There was nothing remotely coherent about that post.


It's got a certain je ne sais quoi - literally.
 
2014-01-19 07:39:57 PM
"If marijuana is fully legalized and at some point folks say, Well, we can come up with a negotiated dose of cocaine that we can show is not any more harmful than vodka, are we open to that?" Obama wondered. "If somebody says, We've got a finely calibrated dose of meth, it isn't going to kill you or rot your teeth, are we O.K. with that?"

Yes, I'm fine with that.

But in the meantime, since you aren't even pretending to believe in your own drug policy anymore, how about you at least make a half-hearted effort fix the low-hanging fruit?
 
2014-01-19 07:47:47 PM
Hey, Obama. You have a phone. Give Holder a call and tell him to send the DEA home.
 
2014-01-19 07:52:35 PM

Lsherm: In case you haven't noticed, we've spent the last 50 years trying to get people to stop using nicotine.


And the government should take similar steps to minimize the use of alcohol, marijuana and other illegal drugs. Making it legal, does not mean advocating use. It doesn't even mean not advocating against it. It just means using it is not illegal.
 
jek
2014-01-19 07:54:50 PM
Well that sucks. Nothing will make Republicans line up against something quicker than Obama saying he something positive about it.
 
2014-01-19 07:55:21 PM
Any farker who is interested can go interview ER Pers. at their local hospitals.  Ask a very specific question:  "How many individuals have been examined/treated/admitted owing to a condition attributable to marijuana, alone?

If the interview(s) (best to go during down-times) doesn't devolve into ethanol only horror stories, please, post them up... (they particularly focus on the slightly injured but disgustingly drunk accident victims that freak out when they mistake evacuation of liquid stool for blood and go smearing it all over the equipment and everything else before being tied down - dare you to find a `marijuana' story like that).

/petition for a rescheduling, barry - it ain't like the farking Marinol wasn't dropped to CIII in `09
// "Addiction" is an attribute arising from a moral judgment - `physical dependency' is something else altogether - though still not worthy of `stigma'
 
2014-01-19 07:55:56 PM

Sgygus: Too bad he can't change how cannabis is scheduled.


The last year of his administration, when it will cost him not political capital that could hamper implementing things like imigration reform, he will change what he can.
 
2014-01-19 07:57:02 PM

Hobodeluxe: TV's Vinnie: By now, the only ones who want to keep pot illegal are DEA Agents (reduced funding if pot becomes legal), televangelists (because they hate everything fun), and pot cartels (the obvious).

the for-profit private prison industry


Big Pharma.
 
2014-01-19 07:58:26 PM

jek: Well that sucks. Nothing will make Republicans line up against something quicker than Obama saying he something positive about it.


Obama needs to make a PSA about seat-belts.
 
2014-01-19 08:03:15 PM

vygramul: jek: Well that sucks. Nothing will make Republicans line up against something quicker than Obama saying he something positive about it.

Obama needs to make a PSA about seat-belts.


A PSA about NOT playing on the interstate would also be good. OOH! How about a PSA about Krokodil?
 
2014-01-19 08:05:51 PM

Crazy Lee: Any farker who is interested can go interview ER Pers. at their local hospitals.  Ask a very specific question:  "How many individuals have been examined/treated/admitted owing to a condition attributable to marijuana, alone?

If the interview(s) (best to go during down-times) doesn't devolve into ethanol only horror stories, please, post them up... (they particularly focus on the slightly injured but disgustingly drunk accident victims that freak out when they mistake evacuation of liquid stool for blood and go smearing it all over the equipment and everything else before being tied down - dare you to find a `marijuana' story like that).



That's um...That's a hell of a story there, Lee.
 
2014-01-19 08:08:10 PM

theorellior: Target Builder: and is a factor in a lot of violent assaults, domestic violence and drug assisted rapes.

I read that quickly, and thought you said "dog-assisted rapes".


Go on...
 
2014-01-19 08:10:33 PM

Bane of Broone: MayoSlather: Lsherm: In case you haven't noticed, we've spent the last 50 years trying to get people to stop using nicotine.

True, but we haven't spent a dime incarcerating people for using it, which seems far more reasonable.

Also the rate of smoking has declined significantly over those 50 years. Count me among them. 1 week as of today.


Good on you! And....you are over the hump.
 
2014-01-19 08:10:33 PM

A Dark Evil Omen: There was never a good argument for the drug war - against any drugs - to begin with, it's all grounded in racism and farked up corporate protectionism.


Not to mention generations of self-perpetuating poverty and staggeringly small amounts of class mobility that's facilitated in part by the criminal stigma associated with drug-related crimes.
 
2014-01-19 08:12:55 PM

LeftOfLiberal: Sgygus: Too bad he can't change how cannabis is scheduled.

The last year of his administration, when it will cost him not political capital that could hamper implementing things like imigration reform, he will change what he can.


He can't change anything. He is in charge of enforcing the law, not making the law.
 
2014-01-19 08:17:19 PM

badhatharry: LeftOfLiberal: Sgygus: Too bad he can't change how cannabis is scheduled.

The last year of his administration, when it will cost him not political capital that could hamper implementing things like imigration reform, he will change what he can.

He can't change anything. He is in charge of enforcing the law, not making the law.


He has the power of mass pardon, however.
 
2014-01-19 08:17:23 PM
President Obama believes the legalization of marijuana in Washington and Colorado ultimately may open a Pandora's Box and could lead to calls for cocaine, methamphetamine and other drugs to be sold freely and openly.


Wow, that's some impressive spin.
 
2014-01-19 08:17:25 PM

Your Hind Brain: Legalize everything! Let Darwin sort it out! However, it may be a bit socialist if we have to pay taxes for incenerating the bodies of those who died of whatever. Ok. Screw that. Ban everything!!


In fact, the fear that legalizing everything is the consequence of legalizing something is a logical fallacy so evident even the ignorant can hold fast to the schism;  when we legalized handguns, did we also worry about legalizing shoulder-mounted missiles? The "safety" of THC is not dose related, and ANY amount of cocaine or meth, administered daily even via 'safe' methods,would have a chroniceffect unlike that of THC.

Dopamine ain't nothin' to fark with, just like missiles... and shouldn't be lumped in with drugs like THC and Modafinil that aren't directly linked into your limbic system. In fact, both of the latter  are not addictive and that line, i would think, would be an obvious one.

what we need is a better definition of addictive that takes in to account psychology so as to not blame the drug for what the person is, anyway. It's not just "people are different", it's "people are resourceful", and if they cant do one thing they do another... and so the damage to society from the prohibition just (profitably) moves the problem around, it doesn't solve it. Or anything.

An acceptance by society that drug use is both a symptom of and a response to issues that are fundamental in human experience without inferring they are also criminals would give us the backdrop for looking past the drug, to the person suffering, instead of the literally dark alleys and callous criminality that is the black market.

The true crime is the existence of black market, because each person that is forced to buy from the street is a person who may be exposed to any of the worst that can happen, instead of obtaining substances that cost pennies/dollars and, through admitting that dependence, receive the mental help they really need, from someone who won't destroy their family for admitting it.

The cost of prohibition to society never pays off versus treatment. Never.
 
2014-01-19 08:18:23 PM
TV's Vinnie: By now, the only ones who want to keep pot illegal are DEA Agents (reduced funding if pot becomes legal), televangelists (because they hate everything fun), and pot cartels (the obvious).
=============================================

Um, you're forgetting Big Pharma. In fact, that's the ONLY thing that really cares is Big Pharma.

Pot is GLORIOUS at keeping your nausea and pain at bay for a cancer paitent. Plus, munchies!
 
2014-01-19 08:18:39 PM

Lsherm: Eddie Adams from Torrance: fusillade762: "If marijuana is fully legalized and at some point folks say, Well, we can come up with a negotiated dose of cocaine that we can show is not any more harmful than vodka, are we open to that?" Obama wondered. "If somebody says, We've got a finely calibrated dose of meth, it isn't going to kill you or rot your teeth, are we O.K. with that?"

Wow. Thoughtfulness and nuance from a politician.

Legalizing even the smallest amounts of cocaine or meth would be completely irresponsible.... since neither of those is still under patent protection.

Well, both are also highly addictive.  Pot isn't.


Like cigarettes?

/probably already stated
 
jek
2014-01-19 08:19:28 PM

dr_blasto: vygramul: jek: Well that sucks. Nothing will make Republicans line up against something quicker than Obama saying he something positive about it.

Obama needs to make a PSA about seat-belts.

A PSA about NOT playing on the interstate would also be good. OOH! How about a PSA about Krokodil?


Seat-belts and Krokodil are good starts. But I have always wished Obama would show some of that real strategic brilliance we all thought he had. Do something like a PSA about... let's see... water they did already... transfats... exercise... reading... good lord! Obama and his cronies are creating a super-party of sub-human-intellect monsters!! I hope we like what we've asked for...
 
2014-01-19 08:21:04 PM
Seriously, I'm 52yo and I never thought I would see this in my lifetime.  Now perhaps I know how my LGBT friends are feeling right now.  Good for the POTUS.  I'm one fat, old white guy who is proud to have voted for him twice!!

/I hope it makes up for voting Reagen twice
 
2014-01-19 08:24:35 PM
Very overly political comments.

Things are slowly moving in the right direction.
 
2014-01-19 08:24:52 PM
OTC meth would eliminate the most psychotic cartels. If Adderall is okay to give to kids then start passing it over the counter.
 
2014-01-19 08:25:54 PM
(okay, errata: not when we legalized handguns, but when we gave people the right to bear arms did the question of whether that meant being allowed to lug a loaded cannon to the city square a "slippery slope"?)
 
2014-01-19 08:26:18 PM

fusillade762: "If marijuana is fully legalized and at some point folks say, Well, we can come up with a negotiated dose of cocaine that we can show is not any more harmful than vodka, are we open to that?" Obama wondered. "If somebody says, We've got a finely calibrated dose of meth, it isn't going to kill you or rot your teeth, are we O.K. with that?"

Wow. Thoughtfulness and nuance from a politician.


The entire original article is really great.
 
2014-01-19 08:26:59 PM

Frederick: Lsherm: Eddie Adams from Torrance: fusillade762: "If marijuana is fully legalized and at some point folks say, Well, we can come up with a negotiated dose of cocaine that we can show is not any more harmful than vodka, are we open to that?" Obama wondered. "If somebody says, We've got a finely calibrated dose of meth, it isn't going to kill you or rot your teeth, are we O.K. with that?"

Wow. Thoughtfulness and nuance from a politician.

Legalizing even the smallest amounts of cocaine or meth would be completely irresponsible.... since neither of those is still under patent protection.

Well, both are also highly addictive.  Pot isn't.

Like cigarettes?

/probably already stated


Alcohol too. I'm all for legalizing cocaine, H, meth and the like. Turn that enforcement money over to treatment money. Ban importation of drugs or their precursors. Tax the holy bejeebus out of it to help pay for the treatment. Put actual criminals in jail.
 
2014-01-19 08:28:28 PM
This is just a clever ploy to take focus off  of you know where
 
2014-01-19 08:30:12 PM
I'd love to see the President baked like a potato. I bet he'd be loads of fun.

"The White House: President Obama issued an official pardon to White House secretary Karen McKinney after Ms McKinney bumped into the President in the hallway. According to administration aides, this incident "ain't no thang". Mr Obama was uninjured in the incident. This is CNN."
 
2014-01-19 08:34:21 PM

vicioushobbit: Crazy Lee: Any farker who is interested can go interview ER Pers. at their local hospitals.  Ask a very specific question:  "How many individuals have been examined/treated/admitted owing to a condition attributable to marijuana, alone?

If the interview(s) (best to go during down-times) doesn't devolve into ethanol only horror stories, please, post them up... (they particularly focus on the slightly injured but disgustingly drunk accident victims that freak out when they mistake evacuation of liquid stool for blood and go smearing it all over the equipment and everything else before being tied down - dare you to find a `marijuana' story like that).


That's um...That's a hell of a story there, Lee.


Alcohol is a hell of a drug (if one can't remember to titrate the farking dose and aspirates to death on their own vomit after passing out - or merely mistakes shiat for blood)

College town sporting 3 ER's in the `80's - when interviews were conducted with docs/RNs/techs - booze & pills & autos - no marijuana (State Dept. of Health/Mental Health also maintains no stats on Dx's attributable to marijuana, alone - pretty much say what they want - just the usual)
 
2014-01-19 09:10:42 PM
This is a pretty cool thing, but it pretty well cements the fact that Obama waits for public opinion to push him into voicing his own opinions. He was never really against same-sex marriage, either.
 
2014-01-19 09:15:25 PM
Where are the Libertarians lauding Obama for his coming to his senses?

I thought this was the day y'all were dreaming of...
 
2014-01-19 09:25:47 PM
Cool. Now how about letting Marc Emery go back to Canada?
 
2014-01-19 09:30:55 PM

hubiestubert: Where are the Libertarians lauding Obama for his coming to his senses?

I thought this was the day y'all were dreaming of...


Republictarians wouldn't give President Obama credit for anything positive... ever... for anything.

He could publically smoke a joint while quoting Ayn Rand in the process of repealing child labor laws and outlawing taxes and they would still hate him.
 
2014-01-19 09:32:14 PM
In an alternate universe, President Mitt Romney* condemned the voters of Colorado and Washington state for their short-sighted and ultimately destructive decisions regarding dangerous, addictive Schedule One gateway drugs. Following his inauguration, the DEA is issued strict instructions to monitor and crack down on medical marijuana dispensaries in Colorado and Washington, with further strict oversight in every other state with medical marijuana statutes.

Local police in Colorado and Washington gladly comply with Federal directives, actively harassing and punishing anyone involved in the medical marijuana business, as well as anyone thinking that the passage of simple state amendments would change anything for a substance still illegal at a federal level. Arrests, tickets and other infractions for marijuana use rise throughout 2013, disrupting a trend leaning towards decriminalization in the years prior.

As a handful of nervous shop owners opened their dispensaries to recreational use in Colorado on New Year's Day 2014, their first sight consisted of police and DEA surrounding a pitiful line of people seemingly arriving more in protest than anything else. Recreational marijuana collapses within a week in the state of Colorado under intense Federal pressure.

2015: President Mitt Romney* invades Mexico in an extension of the War On Drugs.


*insert John McCain or Sarah Palin here, because alternate histories

/That last part, okay actually the whole thing, is a bit over the top
//But still, come on guys, things could be going a lot worse. I think Obama deserves a little credit here
/// three slashies
 
2014-01-19 09:35:52 PM

Aaron Haynes: This is a pretty cool thing, but it pretty well cements the fact that Obama waits for public opinion to push him into voicing his own opinions. He was never really against same-sex marriage, either.


Obama is a political pragmatist. He made that known when he threw single payer (which admittedly would have been difficult to pass) and the public option (which would have been somewhat less difficult) under the bus in 2009.
 
2014-01-19 09:37:58 PM
I'm guessing this is the test case where every Republican will now be on morning talk shows on Monday proclaiming that pot should be legalized everywhere, "just to screw over Obama."
 
2014-01-19 09:38:01 PM

Snapper Carr: Precious Roy's Horse Dividers: I would love to smoke a fattie with the president.

Obama bogarts

/based on that and other things I've read, I don't think I would have enjoyed toking with the POTUS in his youth. My crowd was much mellower when it came to smoking.


I'm saddened to hear this.
 
2014-01-19 09:40:05 PM

Lsherm: Eddie Adams from Torrance: fusillade762: "If marijuana is fully legalized and at some point folks say, Well, we can come up with a negotiated dose of cocaine that we can show is not any more harmful than vodka, are we open to that?" Obama wondered. "If somebody says, We've got a finely calibrated dose of meth, it isn't going to kill you or rot your teeth, are we O.K. with that?"

Wow. Thoughtfulness and nuance from a politician.

Legalizing even the smallest amounts of cocaine or meth would be completely irresponsible.... since neither of those is still under patent protection.

Well, both are also highly addictive.  Pot isn't.


Glad to see this was covered. I have nothing more to add.
 
2014-01-19 09:40:36 PM
Just refresh my memory; how long was it from his coming out in favor of gay marriage and the Supremes invalidating (CA's) Proposition 8?
 
2014-01-19 09:42:47 PM

glmorrs1: Legalize marijuana, decriminalize the rest, use the money saved on incarcerating people to fund treatment programs. You know, pretty much what Portugal did except for making weed legal.


B-but that's SOSHALZM!
 
2014-01-19 09:47:06 PM

hubiestubert: Where are the Libertarians lauding Obama for his coming to his senses?

I thought this was the day y'all were dreaming of...


It's a good sign that pot legalization is polling well. He doesn't need a weatherman to tell him which way the wind is blowing.
 
2014-01-19 09:47:12 PM

hubiestubert: Where are the Libertarians lauding Obama for his coming to his senses?

I thought this was the day y'all were dreaming of...


When he actually does something, I'll give him a golf clap and ask him what the fark took him so long. Then I'll ask why he's not doing any mass pardons for the millions in jail for simple possession.
 
2014-01-19 09:52:15 PM

Mentat: fusillade762: "If marijuana is fully legalized and at some point folks say, Well, we can come up with a negotiated dose of cocaine that we can show is not any more harmful than vodka, are we open to that?" Obama wondered. "If somebody says, We've got a finely calibrated dose of meth, it isn't going to kill you or rot your teeth, are we O.K. with that?"

Wow. Thoughtfulness and nuance from a politician.

The entire original article is really great.


Thank you for that link. Good reading.
 
2014-01-19 10:33:54 PM

vygramul: MJMaloney187: Way to jump on the bandwagon, President Hypocrite.

Would you prefer he be staunchly anti-pot?


Of course not!! But he was when it was politically convenient (because he a p*ssy). He should have made those remarks 5 years ago. He didn't. I remember some natty-nelly asking him at a "town hall" meeting several years ago, "Saint POTUS, should the devil weed be legalized?" The old hypocrite said, "no". The audience actually applauded. Morons.

Concerning the sweet, sweet cheeba, President Obama is a hypocrite.
 
2014-01-19 10:35:35 PM

MJMaloney187: vygramul: MJMaloney187: Way to jump on the bandwagon, President Hypocrite.

Would you prefer he be staunchly anti-pot?

Of course not!! But he was when it was politically convenient (because he's a p*ssy). He should have made those remarks 5 years ago. He didn't. I remember some natty-nelly asking him at a "town hall" meeting several years ago, "Saint POTUS, should the devil weed be legalized?" The old hypocrite said, "no". The audience actually applauded. Morons.

Concerning the sweet, sweet cheeba, President Obama is a hypocrite.


FTFM.
 
2014-01-19 10:42:18 PM

MJMaloney187: vygramul: MJMaloney187: Way to jump on the bandwagon, President Hypocrite.

Would you prefer he be staunchly anti-pot?

Of course not!! But he was when it was politically convenient (because he a p*ssy politician). He should have made those remarks 5 years ago. He didn't. I remember some natty-nelly asking him at a "town hall" meeting several years ago, "Saint POTUS, should the devil weed be legalized?" The old hypocrite said, "no". The audience actually applauded. Morons.

Concerning the sweet, sweet cheeba, President Obama is a hypocrite.


FTFY.
 
2014-01-19 11:15:19 PM
Who has authority to re-schedule marijuana?  How about doing that?  Make it schedule 3 or 4.
 
2014-01-19 11:17:03 PM

TV's Vinnie: By now, the only ones who want to keep pot illegal are DEA Agents (reduced funding if pot becomes legal), televangelists (because they hate everything fun), and pot cartels (the obvious).


Don't forget local police--asset forfeiture is one sweet gravy train.
 
2014-01-19 11:18:16 PM

fusillade762: phillydrifter: Lsherm: [nicotine, caffeine addictive]


You know, I've found it curious for years that although nicotine and caffeine are in fact addictive (and cigarettes can actually kill your ass), people never lose careers, marriages, children, homes and etc., due to being addicted to these substances. They're even progressive - use them enough, and you build up a tolerance so you need more to achieve the same effect. Nobody starts out smoking two packs a day, but nobody's life falls apart as a direct result of it either.

Odd.

/Now...alcohol? Universal solvent! Dissolves households, marriages, careers...
 
2014-01-19 11:21:30 PM

JolobinSmokin: I'm scared and nothing 0bummer can say will stop me from being scared.

So vote republican


I voted for Weedlord Bonerhitler.
 
2014-01-19 11:23:28 PM

dr_blasto: Frederick: Lsherm: Eddie Adams from Torrance: fusillade762: "If marijuana is fully legalized and at some point folks say, Well, we can come up with a negotiated dose of cocaine that we can show is not any more harmful than vodka, are we open to that?" Obama wondered. "If somebody says, We've got a finely calibrated dose of meth, it isn't going to kill you or rot your teeth, are we O.K. with that?"

Wow. Thoughtfulness and nuance from a politician.

Legalizing even the smallest amounts of cocaine or meth would be completely irresponsible.... since neither of those is still under patent protection.

Well, both are also highly addictive.  Pot isn't.

Like cigarettes?

/probably already stated

Alcohol too. I'm all for legalizing cocaine, H, meth and the like. Turn that enforcement money over to treatment money. Ban importation of drugs or their precursors. Tax the holy bejeebus out of it to help pay for the treatment. Put actual criminals in jail.


Agreed.
I have personal experience with most of these drugs and alcohol is by far the most destructive -yet totally legal.
 
2014-01-19 11:25:04 PM

flondrix: TV's Vinnie: By now, the only ones who want to keep pot illegal are DEA Agents (reduced funding if pot becomes legal), televangelists (because they hate everything fun), and pot cartels (the obvious).

Don't forget local police--asset forfeiture is one sweet gravy train.


In other words, the irony is that the ones who claim to uphold law & order are just a  bunch of control-freak buttholes.
 
2014-01-19 11:31:34 PM

Icky biatchholes disagrees

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2014-01-19 11:39:41 PM

Frederick: I have personal experience with most of these drugs and alcohol is by far the most destructive -yet totally legal.


For a certain segment of the population, it's incredibly destructive. For most people, alcohol is routine, non-addictive, and easily managed. Alcoholism is caused by a difference in brain chemistry, for the vast majority of people alcohol is fine. 10% of the population or thereabouts suffers from addiction, but the rest of us don't.

While it's terrible for that 10%, you can't base policy around that 10% when it's a popular and relatively safe drug for 90%. We regulate its use, certainly, but the law can't ban steak because it's unsafe for babies to eat. Crack and meth are harmful to 100%. Nicotine is addictive to something like 90%- there are people who are don't respond, but they're few, and tobacco products, the source of the vast majority of nicotine, are harmful to 100%, though the harm is over the long term, where the harm from hard drugs and alcohol addiction is pretty immediate.
 
2014-01-19 11:41:42 PM

CptnSpldng: Mentat: fusillade762: "If marijuana is fully legalized and at some point folks say, Well, we can come up with a negotiated dose of cocaine that we can show is not any more harmful than vodka, are we open to that?" Obama wondered. "If somebody says, We've got a finely calibrated dose of meth, it isn't going to kill you or rot your teeth, are we O.K. with that?"

Wow. Thoughtfulness and nuance from a politician.

The entire original article is really great.

Thank you for that link. Good reading.


One thing I found really fascinating in that article.  The GOP/Tea Party is constantly accusing Obama of being a dictator.  Meanwhile, progressives have been pressing Obama to use executive orders to bypass Congress, but Obama keeps telling them, "No, we have a Constitution and we have to follow it."
 
2014-01-19 11:42:06 PM
Can you get addicted to marijuana? Maybe, but I smoked for years, and had to quit for a new job. Cold turkey for about 3 months. Aside from being bummed, and really wanting a doob, there were no side effects. Was I addicted? Yeah, probably. I smoked every day and night for 6+ years prior. But when I had to get things straight to get a better paying job I did what I had to do, but I saw it as more of an inconvenience than any sort of addiction. I was annoyed I had to quit, but that was it. Conversely, look at someone detoxing off of meth, coke or heroin, then look at someone who has to quit smoking weed. You will see a drastically different situation.  I think addiction is a very broad term, that is often mislabeled, where it may be more of habitual use rather than a life controlling obsession. There is no physical addiction with marijuana. It's all psychological. And with that, your mileage might vary as to your experience when you try to stop. 

But with many Americans and alcohol, caffeine and nicotine, most are habitual users, but not to any point where they'd pimp out their daughters, steal cars, or rob liquor stores to maintain the habit. I had to manage my money better and budget for my smoke. There's a bit sorted for cable, internet, groceries, and smoke. And guess what, 10 years later, I am still with the same company that I had to quit for. Doing quite well. Making a respectable living.
 
2014-01-19 11:46:03 PM

Mentat: CptnSpldng: Mentat: fusillade762: "If marijuana is fully legalized and at some point folks say, Well, we can come up with a negotiated dose of cocaine that we can show is not any more harmful than vodka, are we open to that?" Obama wondered. "If somebody says, We've got a finely calibrated dose of meth, it isn't going to kill you or rot your teeth, are we O.K. with that?"

Wow. Thoughtfulness and nuance from a politician.

The entire original article is really great.

Thank you for that link. Good reading.

One thing I found really fascinating in that article.  The GOP/Tea Party is constantly accusing Obama of being a dictator.  Meanwhile, progressives have been pressing Obama to use executive orders to bypass Congress, but Obama keeps telling them, "No, we have a Constitution and we have to follow it."


Well, no one ever accused them of having a firm grasp on reality.
 
2014-01-19 11:51:13 PM

Frederick: dr_blasto: Frederick: Lsherm: Eddie Adams from Torrance: fusillade762: "If marijuana is fully legalized and at some point folks say, Well, we can come up with a negotiated dose of cocaine that we can show is not any more harmful than vodka, are we open to that?" Obama wondered. "If somebody says, We've got a finely calibrated dose of meth, it isn't going to kill you or rot your teeth, are we O.K. with that?"

Wow. Thoughtfulness and nuance from a politician.

Legalizing even the smallest amounts of cocaine or meth would be completely irresponsible.... since neither of those is still under patent protection.

Well, both are also highly addictive.  Pot isn't.

Like cigarettes?

/probably already stated

Alcohol too. I'm all for legalizing cocaine, H, meth and the like. Turn that enforcement money over to treatment money. Ban importation of drugs or their precursors. Tax the holy bejeebus out of it to help pay for the treatment. Put actual criminals in jail.

Agreed.
I have personal experience with most of these drugs and alcohol is by far the most destructive -yet totally legal.


Just don't flog that point too hard, you'll give them the idea to ban it again.
 
2014-01-20 12:06:16 AM
Had to fight/restrain/respond for multiple people on ethanol/pcp/meth/dexromorphan/spice/potpourri. 

Seen multiple polypharmaceutical overdoses who aspirated or quit breathing. 

Only had one call involving marijuana  as the sole drug (untampered at least). Teenagers who ate too many brownies and then their stomachs hurt and they were puking. 

Legalize it, tax it, use the money for mental health/drug addiction research and treatment like the tobacco tax and cancer research.
 
2014-01-20 12:25:00 AM

duke3522: Seriously, I'm 52yo and I never thought I would see this in my lifetime.  Now perhaps I know how my LGBT friends are feeling right now.  Good for the POTUS.  I'm one fat, old white guy who is proud to have voted for him twice!!

/I hope it makes up for voting Reagen twice


Nice to see some honesty here. I'm more than ten years younger, but I too voted for him twice and never thought I would hear this.

Contrary to popular FW: fwd: fwd: fwd:.... I do not have buyers remorse either.
 
2014-01-20 12:28:56 AM

Ivo Shandor: Cool. Now how about letting Marc Emery go back to Canada?


Yea but he ripped off a lot of people in the growing community back in the day as well... He's not a nice guy.
 
2014-01-20 01:01:29 AM
Bane of Broone:

Also the rate of smoking has declined significantly over those 50 years. Count me among them. 1 week as of today.

Congratulations.
 
2014-01-20 01:02:46 AM

aszure: Can you get addicted to marijuana? Maybe, but I smoked for years, and had to quit for a new job. Cold turkey for about 3 months. Aside from being bummed, and really wanting a doob, there were no side effects. Was I addicted? Yeah, probably. I smoked every day and night for 6+ years prior. But when I had to get things straight to get a better paying job I did what I had to do, but I saw it as more of an inconvenience than any sort of addiction. I was annoyed I had to quit, but that was it. Conversely, look at someone detoxing off of meth, coke or heroin, then look at someone who has to quit smoking weed. You will see a drastically different situation.  I think addiction is a very broad term, that is often mislabeled, where it may be more of habitual use rather than a life controlling obsession. There is no physical addiction with marijuana. It's all psychological. And with that, your mileage might vary as to your experience when you try to stop. 

But with many Americans and alcohol, caffeine and nicotine, most are habitual users, but not to any point where they'd pimp out their daughters, steal cars, or rob liquor stores to maintain the habit. I had to manage my money better and budget for my smoke. There's a bit sorted for cable, internet, groceries, and smoke. And guess what, 10 years later, I am still with the same company that I had to quit for. Doing quite well. Making a respectable living.


I don't know. I know plenty of people who use coke as a recreational party drug maybe once or twice a month and have no problems not using for the other 340-ish days of the year. In fact, I've only known one person who was actually "addicted" to Cocaine. I was married to get for 5 years, and Eben when she was doing an 8 ball a day, it wasn't really unmanageable until she got into crack and meth.

So, with that in mind, I feel like even "hard" drugs are likely less addictive and dangerous than we make them or to be. Certainly the culture surrounding controlled substances is FAR more dangerous than any of those substances themselves. I firmly believe that if we removed the stigma around being an addict and provided free, effective treatment, we could have a much healthier culture overall. As a bonus, with the illicit thrill gone, I feel like most kids would pass on hard drugs just like kids these days think smoking is lame.
 
2014-01-20 01:04:24 AM

cptjeff: Frederick: I have personal experience with most of these drugs and alcohol is by far the most destructive -yet totally legal.

For a certain segment of the population, it's incredibly destructive. For most people, alcohol is routine, non-addictive, and easily managed. Alcoholism is caused by a difference in brain chemistry, for the vast majority of people alcohol is fine. 10% of the population or thereabouts suffers from addiction, but the rest of us don't.

While it's terrible for that 10%, you can't base policy around that 10% when it's a popular and relatively safe drug for 90%. We regulate its use, certainly, but the law can't ban steak because it's unsafe for babies to eat. Crack and meth are harmful to 100%. Nicotine is addictive to something like 90%- there are people who are don't respond, but they're few, and tobacco products, the source of the vast majority of nicotine, are harmful to 100%, though the harm is over the long term, where the harm from hard drugs and alcohol addiction is pretty immediate.


Did you just make these statistics up?  What is the (obviously your) definition of harmful?
 
2014-01-20 01:07:50 AM

Frederick: cptjeff: Frederick: I have personal experience with most of these drugs and alcohol is by far the most destructive -yet totally legal.

For a certain segment of the population, it's incredibly destructive. For most people, alcohol is routine, non-addictive, and easily managed. Alcoholism is caused by a difference in brain chemistry, for the vast majority of people alcohol is fine. 10% of the population or thereabouts suffers from addiction, but the rest of us don't.

While it's terrible for that 10%, you can't base policy around that 10% when it's a popular and relatively safe drug for 90%. We regulate its use, certainly, but the law can't ban steak because it's unsafe for babies to eat. Crack and meth are harmful to 100%. Nicotine is addictive to something like 90%- there are people who are don't respond, but they're few, and tobacco products, the source of the vast majority of nicotine, are harmful to 100%, though the harm is over the long term, where the harm from hard drugs and alcohol addiction is pretty immediate.

Did you just make these statistics up?  What is the (obviously your) definition of harmful?


Effects caused by the lack of quality control over cocaine, meth and crack production?
 
2014-01-20 01:08:20 AM
Marijuana is worse for your brain than crack and heroin. It turns you into an imbecile. You can prove this by striking up a conversation with any pot head. It is also nothing like a freakin cigarette. Obama's an idiot.
 
2014-01-20 01:10:29 AM

Noam Chimpsky: Marijuana is worse for your brain than crack and heroin. It turns you into an imbecile. You can prove this by striking up a conversation with any pot head. It is also nothing like a freakin cigarette. Obama's an idiot.


Ever try holding a conversation with someone who's drunk?
 
m00
2014-01-20 01:23:37 AM

thehobbes: Legalize it, tax it, use the money for mental health/drug addiction research and treatment like the tobacco tax and cancer research.


Why tax it? Why not just... legalize it. Just because people enjoy something doesn't mean you have to tax it.

When people ask "why legalize pot?" the answer is "because Americans enjoy doing it in the privacy of their homes, hurting no one." By default things should be legal and not taxed. Things that are made illegal and/or taxed are what should be justified, not the other way around.

Tax cars to pay for roads. Tax financial institutions to pay for regulating them so they don't crash our economy every 20 years. Tax cigarettes to pay for end-of-life care for people dying of cancer. Tax alcohol to pay for end-of-life care for people dying of liver disease. Tax weed... why?
 
2014-01-20 01:32:06 AM
"C'mon, kid, try it, it's kinda like a candy cigarette"

-Barrack Hussein Obama
 
2014-01-20 01:32:27 AM

Noam Chimpsky: Marijuana is worse for your brain than crack and heroin. It turns you into an imbecile. You can prove this by striking up a conversation with any pot head.


so by that logic, since you are an imbecile, you are most likely a pot head.
 
m00
2014-01-20 01:32:46 AM

Noam Chimpsky: Marijuana is worse for your brain than crack and heroin.


Nope.

Crack literally causes areas of brain death by destroying the blood vessels of the brain -- it's like giving yourself a bunch of mini strokes.
Heroin destroys your brain's dopmaine balance, probably permanently -- but it doesn't make you dumb... it just makes you chemically imbalanced. Marijuana causes some subtle effects in memory formation.

So it's not worse. Alcohol is worse for your brain long-term than marijuana.
 
2014-01-20 01:33:45 AM

log_jammin: Noam Chimpsky: Marijuana is worse for your brain than crack and heroin. It turns you into an imbecile. You can prove this by striking up a conversation with any pot head.

so by that logic, since you are an imbecile, you are most likely a pot head.


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2014-01-20 01:35:22 AM

m00: thehobbes: Legalize it, tax it, use the money for mental health/drug addiction research and treatment like the tobacco tax and cancer research.

Why tax it? Why not just... legalize it. Just because people enjoy something doesn't mean you have to tax it.

When people ask "why legalize pot?" the answer is "because Americans enjoy doing it in the privacy of their homes, hurting no one." By default things should be legal and not taxed. Things that are made illegal and/or taxed are what should be justified, not the other way around.

Tax cars to pay for roads. Tax financial institutions to pay for regulating them so they don't crash our economy every 20 years. Tax cigarettes to pay for end-of-life care for people dying of cancer. Tax alcohol to pay for end-of-life care for people dying of liver disease. Tax weed... why?



Tax weed in order to pay Phish to never release another album.
Tax weed to cover the cost of earplugs for all Americans so they don't have to listen to some idiot ranting about how great Ron Paul (or his son, Ron W. Paul) is.
Tax weed to pay for public service announcements to remind folks that for every pothead that grows up to be Woody Harrelson or Willie Nelson, there are a hundred who just turn into fatass losers who have read Lord of the Rings too many times.
 
m00
2014-01-20 01:39:54 AM

stoli n coke: Tax weed in order to pay Phish to never release another album.
Tax weed to cover the cost of earplugs for all Americans so they don't have to listen to some idiot ranting about how great Ron Paul (or his son, Ron W. Paul) is.
Tax weed to pay for public service announcements to remind folks that for every pothead that grows up to be Woody Harrelson or Willie Nelson, there are a hundred who just turn into fatass losers who have read Lord of the Rings too many times.


Man, I feel bad for you. It must be hard carrying that much anger towards others.
 
2014-01-20 01:43:49 AM

m00: stoli n coke: Tax weed in order to pay Phish to never release another album.
Tax weed to cover the cost of earplugs for all Americans so they don't have to listen to some idiot ranting about how great Ron Paul (or his son, Ron W. Paul) is.
Tax weed to pay for public service announcements to remind folks that for every pothead that grows up to be Woody Harrelson or Willie Nelson, there are a hundred who just turn into fatass losers who have read Lord of the Rings too many times.

Man, I feel bad for you. It must be hard carrying that much anger towards others.



Hey, I'm all for legalization, and if it there is a way to help cut down on the impacts of jam bands, Paultards, and Tolkien freaks, that's just gravy.
 
2014-01-20 01:46:38 AM
Protect the dumbest government pork revenue streams right up until they become untenable, then tell the truth. Soviet Communism was almost this efficient.
 
2014-01-20 01:51:08 AM
Medical marijuana helps my Nana manage her glaucoma and the pain issues from her arthritis. She doesn't so much get stoned as become deeply interested in the goings-on of lolcats for about an hour a day, which is a hell of a lot better than the drugs that were wrecking her liver and stealing her sight. She can read her favorite murder mysteries again, she's baking like she used to (actually, a lot more than before, but, well, pot...) and she should be able to play with her great-grandchild when kid arrives next June.

As she put it herself, "I think That Man in the White House* is right about cannabis. Scotch never cured anything but sexual inhibitions and boredom from those damn Westerns your grandfather used to watch, but I have to hand it to your socialist hippie friends on this one."

And then she posted like twelve lolcats to my Facebook.

If the President has managed to impress Nana, it's more than I ever believed he could.

(*Amusingly, she called FDR the same thing.)
 
2014-01-20 01:55:42 AM

m00: Noam Chimpsky: Marijuana is worse for your brain than crack and heroin.

Nope.

Crack literally causes areas of brain death by destroying the blood vessels of the brain -- it's like giving yourself a bunch of mini strokes.
Heroin destroys your brain's dopmaine balance, probably permanently -- but it doesn't make you dumb... it just makes you chemically imbalanced. Marijuana causes some subtle effects in memory formation.

So it's not worse. Alcohol is worse for your brain long-term than marijuana.


Don't even try that bullshiat. Every great author, composer, inventor, painter, philosopher and anyone else worth a damn liked to drink some adult beverages..Those who had some accomplishments and smoked pot lost the ability to create anything worthwhile after 10 years or so of smoking it, or their brains went cancerous like Bob Marley.
 
m00
2014-01-20 01:58:56 AM

Noam Chimpsky: Don't even try that bullshiat. Every great author, composer, inventor, painter, philosopher and anyone else worth a damn liked to drink some adult beverages..Those who had some accomplishments and smoked pot lost the ability to create anything worthwhile after 10 years or so of smoking it, or their brains went cancerous like Bob Marley.


This is one of the dumber things I've read on Fark.
 
2014-01-20 01:59:01 AM

jake3988: TV's Vinnie: By now, the only ones who want to keep pot illegal are DEA Agents (reduced funding if pot becomes legal), televangelists (because they hate everything fun), and pot cartels (the obvious).
=============================================

Um, you're forgetting Big Pharma. In fact, that's the ONLY thing that really cares is Big Pharma.

Pot is GLORIOUS at keeping your nausea and pain at bay for a cancer paitent. Plus, munchies!


Don't forget big tobacco. They are pissed as hell that theydidn't get complete control of pot before it becomes legal.
 
2014-01-20 02:04:39 AM

m00: Noam Chimpsky: Don't even try that bullshiat. Every great author, composer, inventor, painter, philosopher and anyone else worth a damn liked to drink some adult beverages..Those who had some accomplishments and smoked pot lost the ability to create anything worthwhile after 10 years or so of smoking it, or their brains went cancerous like Bob Marley.

This is one of the dumber things I've read on Fark.


Okay, I'll name a drinker who had great accomplishments and you name a pot head and we'll see who runs out of names first.

Albert Einstein. He liked some wine and cognac.

Your turn. As a bonus, try to name some non-musicians who didn't choke on their vomit in their twenties.
 
2014-01-20 02:06:50 AM

redheededstepchild: jake3988: TV's Vinnie: By now, the only ones who want to keep pot illegal are DEA Agents (reduced funding if pot becomes legal), televangelists (because they hate everything fun), and pot cartels (the obvious).
=============================================

Um, you're forgetting Big Pharma. In fact, that's the ONLY thing that really cares is Big Pharma.

Pot is GLORIOUS at keeping your nausea and pain at bay for a cancer paitent. Plus, munchies!

Don't forget big tobacco. They are pissed as hell that theydidn't get complete control of pot before it becomes legal.



You seriously don't think they've got machines calibrated to start rolling out Marlboro Greens within 15 seconds of legalization going federal?

When weed becomes legal across the board, it won't stay a mom and pop operation.

Sorry to disappoint all you craft joint enthusiasts, but it's the truth.
 
2014-01-20 02:09:59 AM

m00: Noam Chimpsky: Don't even try that bullshiat. Every great author, composer, inventor, painter, philosopher and anyone else worth a damn liked to drink some adult beverages..Those who had some accomplishments and smoked pot lost the ability to create anything worthwhile after 10 years or so of smoking it, or their brains went cancerous like Bob Marley.

This is one of the dumber things I've read on Fark.


I have him labeled with "They are Obama's Arab Spring army from the illegal war he conducted and they control Libya." from a past thread. he's capable for saying much dumber things.
 
2014-01-20 02:27:13 AM
Mr. Obama said. "If marijuana is fully legalized and at some point folks say, 'Well, we can come up with a negotiated dose of cocaine that we can show is not any more harmful than vodka.' Are we open to that? If somebody says, 'We've got a finely calibrated dose of meth, it isn't going to kill you or rot your teeth.' Are we OK with that?"



No farkin' way that shiat is going to happen. Meth and coke will remain illegal. They are dangerous drugs, made in a laboratory. The human body cannot handle them in moderate or large doses.

Disappointing that Obama does have a rather socially conservative attitude towards the social benefits of cannabis, but he makes up for it by more or less stating the War on Drugs is bullshiat.
 
2014-01-20 02:40:01 AM

Lsherm: both are also highly addictive


Yep.
 
2014-01-20 02:58:34 AM

whidbey: They are dangerous drugs, made in a laboratory. The human body cannot handle them in moderate or large doses.


Wouldnt you say the same thing about most pharmaceuticals, many available OTC?
 
2014-01-20 03:11:55 AM

Noam Chimpsky: m00: Noam Chimpsky: Don't even try that bullshiat. Every great author, composer, inventor, painter, philosopher and anyone else worth a damn liked to drink some adult beverages..Those who had some accomplishments and smoked pot lost the ability to create anything worthwhile after 10 years or so of smoking it, or their brains went cancerous like Bob Marley.

This is one of the dumber things I've read on Fark.

Okay, I'll name a drinker who had great accomplishments and you name a pot head and we'll see who runs out of names first.

Albert Einstein. He liked some wine and cognac.

Your turn. As a bonus, try to name some non-musicians who didn't choke on their vomit in their twenties.


Carl Sagan
 
2014-01-20 03:14:10 AM
It has been mentioned, but if only the president had power to pardon people merely incarcerated for possession of marijuana.

It is great that he admitted our hypocrisy to some degree, but it is hard to not be angry that the baby step is so small.

Learn to walk already baby. Can we be done with this bullshiat?
 
2014-01-20 03:24:29 AM
One thing I think you all are missing. His crowning achievement is health care reform, and he has presided over an overall economic recovery after two terms of Republican incompetence.

Obama's term is historic. The last 15 years, and probably the next 5, will be remembered for generations as shaping the landscape of our country and the world in the coming century.

I don't think he wants to be remembered as the "President Who Gave Us Ganja".

Really? The first black dude to run this country makes weed legal? That's what our history books will read?

i.imgur.com
 
2014-01-20 03:27:56 AM

lunging_man_ass: One thing I think you all are missing. His crowning achievement is health care reform, and he has presided over an overall economic recovery after two terms of Republican incompetence.

Obama's term is historic. The last 15 years, and probably the next 5, will be remembered for generations as shaping the landscape of our country and the world in the coming century.

I don't think he wants to be remembered as the "President Who Gave Us Ganja".

Really? The first black dude to run this country makes weed legal? That's what our history books will read?

[i.imgur.com image 612x524]


That is a valid point, but it is a sad thing that fear of being a punchline is keeping people in prison. Historical relevance is not important compared to making the world a better place today. Let history take care of itself. Fix it now.
 
2014-01-20 03:31:33 AM
This is very irresponsible of Obama. My friend's cousin smoked some "grass" once and tried to microwave his own head. He would have done it too if he could've got the door closed.
 
2014-01-20 03:33:03 AM

nerftaig: lunging_man_ass: .

Really? The first black dude to run this country makes weed legal? That's what our history books will read?

[i.imgur.com image 612x524]

That is a valid point, but it is a sad thing that fear of being a punchline is keeping people in prison. Historical relevance is not important compared to making the world a better place today. Let history take care of itself. Fix it now.


Hey, I wholeheartedly agree with you. I say disband the DEA, let us have our drugs, let us have our guns, let our gays marry, bring the NSA into daylight, and stop using social security like a piggy bank, I could go on.

This country needs to be more open to letting Americans be Americans, in whatever way they see fit. What you put into your body is a part of that.
 
2014-01-20 03:46:32 AM

log_jammin: m00: Noam Chimpsky: Don't even try that bullshiat. Every great author, composer, inventor, painter, philosopher and anyone else worth a damn liked to drink some adult beverages..Those who had some accomplishments and smoked pot lost the ability to create anything worthwhile after 10 years or so of smoking it, or their brains went cancerous like Bob Marley.

This is one of the dumber things I've read on Fark.

I have him labeled with "They are Obama's Arab Spring army from the illegal war he conducted and they control Libya." from a past thread. he's capable for saying much dumber things.


True story, Bro.

/I actually  have Chimpsky farkied as "idiot, Mark Stein's BFF"
 
2014-01-20 04:34:12 AM

m00: thehobbes: Legalize it, tax it, use the money for mental health/drug addiction research and treatment like the tobacco tax and cancer research.

Why tax it? Why not just... legalize it. Just because people enjoy something doesn't mean you have to tax it.

When people ask "why legalize pot?" the answer is "because Americans enjoy doing it in the privacy of their homes, hurting no one." By default things should be legal and not taxed. Things that are made illegal and/or taxed are what should be justified, not the other way around.

Tax cars to pay for roads. Tax financial institutions to pay for regulating them so they don't crash our economy every 20 years. Tax cigarettes to pay for end-of-life care for people dying of cancer. Tax alcohol to pay for end-of-life care for people dying of liver disease. Tax weed... why?


It still has a social cost, just like booze.

There will still be morons driving under the influence, self-medicating to the point that they require treatment, etc.

Additionally it is a source of revenue on an entirely optional product. We tax sales and food too, for no other reason than revenue.

Not every tax dollar needs to come directly from related activity, and even if it did you still wouldn't have the perfect fairness I suspect you believe you are proposing. All you will get is an outward and simplistic appearance thereof.Roads being a great example for that. My drinking causes zero problems to society, why should I be taxed?
 
2014-01-20 04:44:45 AM

SkorzenyNinja: In an alternate universe, President Mitt Romney* condemned the voters of Colorado and Washington state for their short-sighted and ultimately destructive decisions regarding dangerous, addictive Schedule One gateway drugs. Following his inauguration, the DEA is issued strict instructions to monitor and crack down on medical marijuana dispensaries in Colorado and Washington, with further strict oversight in every other state with medical marijuana statutes.

Local police in Colorado and Washington gladly comply with Federal directives, actively harassing and punishing anyone involved in the medical marijuana business, as well as anyone thinking that the passage of simple state amendments would change anything for a substance still illegal at a federal level. Arrests, tickets and other infractions for marijuana use rise throughout 2013, disrupting a trend leaning towards decriminalization in the years prior.

As a handful of nervous shop owners opened their dispensaries to recreational use in Colorado on New Year's Day 2014, their first sight consisted of police and DEA surrounding a pitiful line of people seemingly arriving more in protest than anything else. Recreational marijuana collapses within a week in the state of Colorado under intense Federal pressure.

2015: President Mitt Romney* invades Mexico in an extension of the War On Drugs.


*insert John McCain or Sarah Palin here, because alternate histories

/That last part, okay actually the whole thing, is a bit over the top
//But still, come on guys, things could be going a lot worse. I think Obama deserves a little credit here
/// three slashies


In fark world, the bulk of the population is supposed to agree with the average farker. Politicians should not follow the will of the people, but rather sync up with farkers' views.

I want it legal. Many polls show I am hardly alone. But politicians are not elected on single issues. If I trust an elected official for one thing it is knowing their election team knew which sides of issues were winners and losers. Obama isn't moderate just to stick it to us farkers. He is moderate because if he weren't he couldn't have elected twice.

Even his moderate policies are attacked as pure socialism. His smallest attempts to tax the rich divide the country.

I don't begrudge him or other politicians the choice to hang back a bit on marijuana.

/prohibition is garbage, but it is supported by voters who believe in it. It takes time to sway public opinion, and the less the left makes it a huge political issue the sooner the right can get on board and change can happen. Push too hard and the political opposition pushes the issue back a decade.
 
2014-01-20 04:50:48 AM

hubiestubert: Where are the Libertarians lauding Obama for his coming to his senses?

I thought this was the day y'all were dreaming of...


Busy being the white racist Republicans they actually are, in reality.
 
2014-01-20 04:53:35 AM

Sgygus: Too bad he can't change how cannabis is scheduled.


This.

In other news, Obama joins Phelps, Governator in pantheon of potheads who never accomplished anything.
 
2014-01-20 04:57:26 AM

fusillade762: "If marijuana is fully legalized and at some point folks say, Well, we can come up with a negotiated dose of cocaine that we can show is not any more harmful than vodka, are we open to that?" Obama wondered. "If somebody says, We've got a finely calibrated dose of meth, it isn't going to kill you or rot your teeth, are we O.K. with that?"


No, we are definitely not. There is no way we should take a chance at letting people think for themselves on any issue. What next, bleach being legal? Then what, vinegar?
 
2014-01-20 05:05:25 AM

MayoSlather: "I also think that, when it comes to harder drugs, the harm done to the user is profound and the social costs are profound."

So are the costs of putting people in prison and giving them a criminal record where they can no longer get work where they are capable of supporting themselves. Not to mention there's the whole thing about living in a free society.

Also, does this endorsement mean Obama is going to move on getting marijuana off the schedule 1 list? Because that needs to happen.


lol. dude talks plenty but has zero action behind it.
 
2014-01-20 05:23:40 AM

Frederick: whidbey: They are dangerous drugs, made in a laboratory. The human body cannot handle them in moderate or large doses.

Wouldnt you say the same thing about most pharmaceuticals, many available OTC?


Not sure why I said "large doses." Maybe I was channeling Keith Richards.

No, most OTC products are fine. Meth is nazi dope. I'm not sure how anyone could possibly regulate it for recreational purposes.
 
2014-01-20 05:40:53 AM

TV's Vinnie: By now, the only ones who want to keep pot illegal are DEA Agents (reduced funding if pot becomes legal), televangelists (because they hate everything fun), and pot cartels (the obvious).


you missed the largest:

for profit prisons
 
2014-01-20 05:41:35 AM

whidbey: Frederick: whidbey: They are dangerous drugs, made in a laboratory. The human body cannot handle them in moderate or large doses.

Wouldnt you say the same thing about most pharmaceuticals, many available OTC?

Not sure why I said "large doses." Maybe I was channeling Keith Richards.

No, most OTC products are fine. Meth is nazi dope. I'm not sure how anyone could possibly regulate it for recreational purposes.


Meth was legal and regulated up until around the late 60s-early 70s. Wasn't until after it was illegal that bikers and hillbillies started making the shiat. I'm sure diet pill manufacturers would love for it to become legal again.
 
2014-01-20 05:45:22 AM

dywed88: Lsherm: In case you haven't noticed, we've spent the last 50 years trying to get people to stop using nicotine.

And the government should take similar steps to minimize the use of alcohol, marijuana and other illegal drugs. Making it legal, does not mean advocating use. It doesn't even mean not advocating against it. It just means using it is not illegal.


Legalizing it doesn't imply it is good, it is just saying it isn't bad enough to make lots of criminals rich, which inevitably happens when things are banned.
 
2014-01-20 05:48:04 AM

Doom MD: Crush the NSA, end the drug war, repeal the Hughes amendment, nationwide ccw reciprocity, reinstate net neutrality. Hear the lamitations of their women!!!


F-inishedTFY
 
2014-01-20 06:14:17 AM

stoli n coke: Meth was legal and regulated up until around the late 60s-early 70s.


It's still legal and regulated. Good luck finding a doc that will agree to prescribe it for you, though.
 
2014-01-20 06:24:09 AM

incendi: stoli n coke: Meth was legal and regulated up until around the late 60s-early 70s.

It's still legal and regulated. Good luck finding a doc that will agree to prescribe it for you, though.


I talked to my doctor about it.  The prospect of prescribing it for me was clearly terrifying for him.  He mentioned the risk to his medical license about 5 times during the conversation.  He had no qualms about prescribing SSRI's though.
 
2014-01-20 06:45:04 AM

stoli n coke: whidbey: Frederick: whidbey: They are dangerous drugs, made in a laboratory. The human body cannot handle them in moderate or large doses.

Wouldnt you say the same thing about most pharmaceuticals, many available OTC?

Not sure why I said "large doses." Maybe I was channeling Keith Richards.

No, most OTC products are fine. Meth is nazi dope. I'm not sure how anyone could possibly regulate it for recreational purposes.

Meth was legal and regulated up until around the late 60s-early 70s. Wasn't until after it was illegal that bikers and hillbillies started making the shiat. I'm sure diet pill manufacturers would love for it to become legal again.


Its still legal. Can get it in pill form for ADD. And yes I mean meth, not the bullshiat kiddie crap adderall.

Desoxyn.
 
2014-01-20 06:49:59 AM

Kumana Wanalaia: The amount of cocaine or meth that isn't going to harm you more than drinking your fill of vodka isn't going to do shiat to get you high. It would probably feel like the equivalent of drinking a small coffee, if anything.


I've done much, much more dangerous things drinking or pilled out than I ever did coked up or tweaking.
 
2014-01-20 07:21:24 AM

Disappearing Hitchhiker: TV's Vinnie: By now, the only ones who want to keep pot illegal are DEA Agents (reduced funding if pot becomes legal), televangelists (because they hate everything fun), and pot cartels (the obvious).

Don't forget big alcohol...


And big nylon.
 
2014-01-20 07:37:32 AM

Noam Chimpsky: Marijuana is worse for your brain than crack and heroin. It turns you into an imbecile. You can prove this by striking up a conversation with any pot head. It is also nothing like a freakin cigarette. Obama's an idiot.


You've obviously never hung out with any math, computer science or physics majors.
 
2014-01-20 08:03:10 AM

whidbey: Mr. Obama said. "If marijuana is fully legalized and at some point folks say, 'Well, we can come up with a negotiated dose of cocaine that we can show is not any more harmful than vodka.' Are we open to that? If somebody says, 'We've got a finely calibrated dose of meth, it isn't going to kill you or rot your teeth.' Are we OK with that?"

No farkin' way that shiat is going to happen. Meth and coke will remain illegal. They are dangerous drugs, made in a laboratory. The human body cannot handle them in moderate or large doses.

Disappointing that Obama does have a rather socially conservative attitude towards the social benefits of cannabis, but he makes up for it by more or less stating the War on Drugs is bullshiat.


Cocaine isn't as bad as meth; it isn't a lab-made synthesized drug, it is extract from leaves. It's not any more lab-like than a distillery making any of your whiskeys and the like.
 
2014-01-20 08:15:48 AM

m00: Noam Chimpsky: Don't even try that bullshiat. Every great author, composer, inventor, painter, philosopher and anyone else worth a damn liked to drink some adult beverages..Those who had some accomplishments and smoked pot lost the ability to create anything worthwhile after 10 years or so of smoking it, or their brains went cancerous like Bob Marley.

This is one of the dumber things I've read on Fark.


That's not even in Chimpsky's top 20. Seriously.
 
2014-01-20 08:15:51 AM

dr_blasto: whidbey: Mr. Obama said. "If marijuana is fully legalized and at some point folks say, 'Well, we can come up with a negotiated dose of cocaine that we can show is not any more harmful than vodka.' Are we open to that? If somebody says, 'We've got a finely calibrated dose of meth, it isn't going to kill you or rot your teeth.' Are we OK with that?"

No farkin' way that shiat is going to happen. Meth and coke will remain illegal. They are dangerous drugs, made in a laboratory. The human body cannot handle them in moderate or large doses.

Disappointing that Obama does have a rather socially conservative attitude towards the social benefits of cannabis, but he makes up for it by more or less stating the War on Drugs is bullshiat.

Cocaine isn't as bad as meth; it isn't a lab-made synthesized drug, it is extract from leaves. It's not any more lab-like than a distillery making any of your whiskeys and the like.


All drugs that have been processed in any way, other than harvesting, can be considered lab made.
 
2014-01-20 08:24:56 AM

m00: Noam Chimpsky: Marijuana is worse for your brain than crack and heroin.

Nope.

Crack literally causes areas of brain death by destroying the blood vessels of the brain -- it's like giving yourself a bunch of mini strokes.
Heroin destroys your brain's dopmaine balance, probably permanently -- but it doesn't make you dumb... it just makes you chemically imbalanced. Marijuana causes some subtle effects in memory formation.

So it's not worse. Alcohol is worse for your brain long-term than marijuana.


He's obviously trolling, but thus far there is zero correlation to marrijuana having any permanent affects on brain function.

Also the argument pot might causes brain dysfunction kind of falls apart when we consider what sports are doing to brains. There's a direct correlation to multiple concussions causing CTE as early as the 40's and 50's. Alcohol, pot, MDMA, mushrooms, LSD are all safer than a few years of boxing,MMA, or playing football.

So unless they plan on banning sports too, we can drop this whole charade that society cares so much about healthy brain function that they'll enact laws to "protect" us.
 
2014-01-20 08:32:13 AM

Shakin_Haitian: dr_blasto: whidbey: Mr. Obama said. "If marijuana is fully legalized and at some point folks say, 'Well, we can come up with a negotiated dose of cocaine that we can show is not any more harmful than vodka.' Are we open to that? If somebody says, 'We've got a finely calibrated dose of meth, it isn't going to kill you or rot your teeth.' Are we OK with that?"

No farkin' way that shiat is going to happen. Meth and coke will remain illegal. They are dangerous drugs, made in a laboratory. The human body cannot handle them in moderate or large doses.

Disappointing that Obama does have a rather socially conservative attitude towards the social benefits of cannabis, but he makes up for it by more or less stating the War on Drugs is bullshiat.

Cocaine isn't as bad as meth; it isn't a lab-made synthesized drug, it is extract from leaves. It's not any more lab-like than a distillery making any of your whiskeys and the like.

All drugs that have been processed in any way, other than harvesting, can be considered lab made.


If you consider beer, wine and whiskey to be lab-made, then fine.
 
2014-01-20 08:40:58 AM

Mentat: fusillade762: "If marijuana is fully legalized and at some point folks say, Well, we can come up with a negotiated dose of cocaine that we can show is not any more harmful than vodka, are we open to that?" Obama wondered. "If somebody says, We've got a finely calibrated dose of meth, it isn't going to kill you or rot your teeth, are we O.K. with that?"

Wow. Thoughtfulness and nuance from a politician.

The entire original article is really great.


Thank you.  There's a reason you are emblazoned favingly in warm orange
 
2014-01-20 09:14:36 AM

thehobbes: Had to fight/restrain/respond for multiple people on ethanol/pcp/meth/dexromorphan/spice/potpourri. 

Seen multiple polypharmaceutical overdoses who aspirated or quit breathing. 

Only had one call involving marijuana  as the sole drug (untampered at least). Teenagers who ate too many brownies and then their stomachs hurt and they were puking. 

Legalize it, tax it, use the money for mental health/drug addiction research and treatment like the tobacco tax and cancer research.


Was there a mass funeral for the teenagers or were they separate? Very sad.
 
2014-01-20 10:32:45 AM
Mr. President, roll a few for your daughters, lead the way for parents that supported you, show us how it's done.....Dude.
 
2014-01-20 10:34:23 AM
Hehe nope. Dropped them off at local ER to sleep it off. .. until their parents arrived
 
2014-01-20 10:36:14 AM
photos1.blogger.com
 
2014-01-20 11:38:06 AM
If the Powers That Be are really so worried about a modern day REEFER MADNESS, may what should be done was a situation where pot is fully legal, but rationed.
 
2014-01-20 11:49:51 AM

Zeppelininthesky: Lsherm: Eddie Adams from Torrance: fusillade762: "If marijuana is fully legalized and at some point folks say, Well, we can come up with a negotiated dose of cocaine that we can show is not any more harmful than vodka, are we open to that?" Obama wondered. "If somebody says, We've got a finely calibrated dose of meth, it isn't going to kill you or rot your teeth, are we O.K. with that?"

Wow. Thoughtfulness and nuance from a politician.

Legalizing even the smallest amounts of cocaine or meth would be completely irresponsible.... since neither of those is still under patent protection.

Well, both are also highly addictive.  Pot isn't.

So is nicotine


Nicotine isn't the problem, it's what you have to chew/smoke to get it that is the problem.
 
2014-01-20 01:19:39 PM

nocturnal001: Zeppelininthesky: Lsherm: Eddie Adams from Torrance: fusillade762: "If marijuana is fully legalized and at some point folks say, Well, we can come up with a negotiated dose of cocaine that we can show is not any more harmful than vodka, are we open to that?" Obama wondered. "If somebody says, We've got a finely calibrated dose of meth, it isn't going to kill you or rot your teeth, are we O.K. with that?"

Wow. Thoughtfulness and nuance from a politician.

Legalizing even the smallest amounts of cocaine or meth would be completely irresponsible.... since neither of those is still under patent protection.

Well, both are also highly addictive.  Pot isn't.

So is nicotine

Nicotine isn't the problem, it's what you have to chew/smoke to get it that is the problem.


yup.
 
2014-01-20 02:23:02 PM

dr_blasto: whidbey: Mr. Obama said. "If marijuana is fully legalized and at some point folks say, 'Well, we can come up with a negotiated dose of cocaine that we can show is not any more harmful than vodka.' Are we open to that? If somebody says, 'We've got a finely calibrated dose of meth, it isn't going to kill you or rot your teeth.' Are we OK with that?"

No farkin' way that shiat is going to happen. Meth and coke will remain illegal. They are dangerous drugs, made in a laboratory. The human body cannot handle them in moderate or large doses.

Disappointing that Obama does have a rather socially conservative attitude towards the social benefits of cannabis, but he makes up for it by more or less stating the War on Drugs is bullshiat.

Cocaine isn't as bad as meth; it isn't a lab-made synthesized drug, it is extract from leaves. It's not any more lab-like than a distillery making any of your whiskeys and the like.


I disagree.

Cocaine was never supposed to be the concentrated substance which was synthesized. It was a failure as an anesthetic, too. It doesn't really have any practical applications. It's also only one part of the entire 14 or so active compounds found in coca. It was a totally irresponsible creation.

Whisky, on the other hand, is just more alcohol in the glass. I don't see how you can compare the two.
 
2014-01-20 02:31:39 PM
So can we impeach him now? The man is quite clearly unfit for political office.
 
2014-01-20 02:59:26 PM

Rueened: So can we impeach him now? The man is quite clearly unfit for political office.


He's probably got one of those machines in the Oval Office where joints come out of a donkey's butt ferchrissakes.
 
2014-01-20 03:38:31 PM

whidbey: He's probably got one of those machines in the Oval Office where joints come out of a donkey's butt ferchrissakes.


LOL...my grandpa had one of those back in the 50's. Haven't thought of that in ages.
 
2014-01-20 03:57:15 PM

whidbey: dr_blasto: whidbey: Mr. Obama said. "If marijuana is fully legalized and at some point folks say, 'Well, we can come up with a negotiated dose of cocaine that we can show is not any more harmful than vodka.' Are we open to that? If somebody says, 'We've got a finely calibrated dose of meth, it isn't going to kill you or rot your teeth.' Are we OK with that?"

No farkin' way that shiat is going to happen. Meth and coke will remain illegal. They are dangerous drugs, made in a laboratory. The human body cannot handle them in moderate or large doses.

Disappointing that Obama does have a rather socially conservative attitude towards the social benefits of cannabis, but he makes up for it by more or less stating the War on Drugs is bullshiat.

Cocaine isn't as bad as meth; it isn't a lab-made synthesized drug, it is extract from leaves. It's not any more lab-like than a distillery making any of your whiskeys and the like.

I disagree.

Cocaine was never supposed to be the concentrated substance which was synthesized. It was a failure as an anesthetic, too. It doesn't really have any practical applications. It's also only one part of the entire 14 or so active compounds found in coca. It was a totally irresponsible creation.

Whisky, on the other hand, is just more alcohol in the glass. I don't see how you can compare the two.


Tell your ENT cocaine is a failure and you don't want it used the next time you have to have a maxillary sinus drained.
MSD .33gr tabs, for solutions, for the win (and the farking numb face)
 
2014-01-20 04:04:46 PM

whidbey: Cocaine was never supposed to be the concentrated substance which was synthesized. It was a failure as an anesthetic, too. It doesn't really have any practical applications. It's also only one part of the entire 14 or so active compounds found in coca. It was a totally irresponsible creation.


No, cocaine actually is a good local anesthetic and analgesic.  The practical applications of cocaine are the reason it's still a schedule II drug available by prescription.

Obviously, there are many applications where novacaine, lidocaine, prilocaine, etc. are better than cocaine.  But let's not pretend like there's no reason for cocaine's existence.

whidbey: Whisky, on the other hand, is just more alcohol in the glass. I don't see how you can compare the two.


Yeah, the long-term effects of whiskey kills a few orders of magnitude more people than the long-term effects of cocaine.   It's also easier to OD on whiskey than it is to OD on cocaine.

So, no... let's not compare them, because whiskey loses the comparison.
 
2014-01-20 05:44:19 PM

The Larch: Obviously, there are many applications where novacaine, lidocaine, prilocaine, etc. are better than cocaine. But let's not pretend like there's no reason for cocaine's existence.


Last I heard, real coke was still the gold standard as a local in retinal and other delicate eye surgery - but that was a while back, and I think now they use it in lacrimal duct surgery and some nasal stuff. But, yeah - it's the best local for a few, narrow applications.
 
2014-01-20 06:13:52 PM

log_jammin: m00: Noam Chimpsky: Don't even try that bullshiat. Every great author, composer, inventor, painter, philosopher and anyone else worth a damn liked to drink some adult beverages..Those who had some accomplishments and smoked pot lost the ability to create anything worthwhile after 10 years or so of smoking it, or their brains went cancerous like Bob Marley.

This is one of the dumber things I've read on Fark.

I have him labeled with "They are Obama's Arab Spring army from the illegal war he conducted and they control Libya." from a past thread. he's capable for saying much dumber things.


I just went with the far simpler "Retarded troll" label.
 
2014-01-20 07:32:07 PM

Doom MD: Crush the NSA, end the drug war, repeal the Hughes amendment, nationwide ccw reciprocity, reinstate net neutrality. First baby steps to freedom.


This.
 
2014-01-20 08:14:41 PM

Sgygus: Too bad he can't change how cannabis is scheduled.


.. without getting smacked down by Congress.

You forgot to finish your post; there all better.
 
2014-01-20 08:28:58 PM

The Larch: whidbey: Cocaine was never supposed to be the concentrated substance which was synthesized. It was a failure as an anesthetic, too. It doesn't really have any practical applications. It's also only one part of the entire 14 or so active compounds found in coca. It was a totally irresponsible creation.

No, cocaine actually is a good local anesthetic and analgesic.  The practical applications of cocaine are the reason it's still a schedule II drug available by prescription.

Obviously, there are many applications where novacaine, lidocaine, prilocaine, etc. are better than cocaine.  But let's not pretend like there's no reason for cocaine's existence.

whidbey: Whisky, on the other hand, is just more alcohol in the glass. I don't see how you can compare the two.

Yeah, the long-term effects of whiskey kills a few orders of magnitude more people than the long-term effects of cocaine.   It's also easier to OD on whiskey than it is to OD on cocaine.

So, no... let's not compare them, because whiskey loses the comparison.


Also the whole comparison was the implication that if cocaine is "made in a laboratory" you can say the exact same thing about whiskey.

Also, can we please not bring up the "natural = good" falacy. There are an awful lot of very good synthetic compounds and tons of deadly natural ones.
 
2014-01-20 09:19:14 PM

grumpfuff: Noam Chimpsky: m00: Noam Chimpsky: Don't even try that bullshiat. Every great author, composer, inventor, painter, philosopher and anyone else worth a damn liked to drink some adult beverages..Those who had some accomplishments and smoked pot lost the ability to create anything worthwhile after 10 years or so of smoking it, or their brains went cancerous like Bob Marley.

This is one of the dumber things I've read on Fark.

Okay, I'll name a drinker who had great accomplishments and you name a pot head and we'll see who runs out of names first.

Albert Einstein. He liked some wine and cognac.

Your turn. As a bonus, try to name some non-musicians who didn't choke on their vomit in their twenties.

Carl Sagan


Thank you. I'll spot you Holdren and Ehrlich too.

Beethoven. Drank several bottles of wine daily.
 
2014-01-20 09:33:07 PM

quatchi: log_jammin: m00: Noam Chimpsky: Don't even try that bullshiat. Every great author, composer, inventor, painter, philosopher and anyone else worth a damn liked to drink some adult beverages..Those who had some accomplishments and smoked pot lost the ability to create anything worthwhile after 10 years or so of smoking it, or their brains went cancerous like Bob Marley.

This is one of the dumber things I've read on Fark.

I have him labeled with "They are Obama's Arab Spring army from the illegal war he conducted and they control Libya." from a past thread. he's capable for saying much dumber things.

True story, Bro.

/I actually  have Chimpsky farkied as "idiot, Mark Stein's BFF"


Oh, man, you guys say such mean things about me. But I do like Mark Steyn. He is a great writer. If that is who you were referring to.
 
2014-01-21 12:24:25 AM
I would walk five miles to a smoke shop in a bad part of town to buy a pack of Marlboro Greens.

Speed the day.
 
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