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2014-01-19 03:38:19 PM
Wait, What?
 
2014-01-19 03:38:49 PM
www.brandlabs.us

I used to has a brain. Now I has a sad.
 
2014-01-19 03:39:48 PM

a particular individual: I used to has a brain. Now I has a sad.


Whar is bukit?
 
2014-01-19 03:40:19 PM
Not now, ambien walrus; I'm not going to rob a bank; I'm trying to loose my keys.
 
2014-01-19 03:46:16 PM
www.alternet.org
 
2014-01-19 03:47:44 PM
This is why I prefer Halcion.
 
2014-01-19 03:48:03 PM
I took Ambien for three years in ever increasing doses, literally could not sleep without it.

I would wake up to find that I had prepared and eaten a huge meal, cleaned the house, or taken the trash out in my birthday suit.

My wife said I would wake up and get on the internet make phone calls, have sex with her, and she thought I was fine, and did not remember any of it the next day.

The straw that broke the camels back is when she said I was naked pissing in the patio with dick in one hand and chicken wing in the other.

I went cold turkey and the DTs were horrible.  But I am two years clean and I sleep fine now, but would not recommend that crap to my worst enemy.
 
2014-01-19 03:49:07 PM

Oldiron_79: Wait, What?


A quick GIS for "Ambien Walrus" had me giggling.

"Cut off all your hair, let's do this!"
 
2014-01-19 03:52:13 PM
So... you're saying I can blame all these murders on my Ambien?

Sweet.
 
2014-01-19 03:52:55 PM

theflatline: I took Ambien for three years in ever increasing doses, literally could not sleep without it.

I would wake up to find that I had prepared and eaten a huge meal, cleaned the house, or taken the trash out in my birthday suit.

My wife said I would wake up and get on the internet make phone calls, have sex with her, and she thought I was fine, and did not remember any of it the next day.

The straw that broke the camels back is when she said I was naked pissing in the patio with dick in one hand and chicken wing in the other.

I went cold turkey and the DTs were horrible.  But I am two years clean and I sleep fine now, but would not recommend that crap to my worst enemy.


My brother briefly had a medical issue that necessitated a sleep aid. He said that he decided a good night sleep wasn't worth it when he woke up "mid stream" after having lifted the lid to the potato box.

Apparently his girlfriend didn't appreciate her potatoes being brined.
 
2014-01-19 04:01:42 PM
I've taken Zolpidem for 5 years or so since I was diagnosed with sleep apnea and insomnia.  Before I started taking it I would lie in bed for an hour or two before being able to fall asleep and then my sleep wasn't very deep.  For me it's great, I take it and then 20 or 30 minutes later I go to bed and I'm asleep as soon as my head hit the pillow.  The only down side is that I wake up exactly 5 hours later.  I look at the clock and go back to sleep for 3 more hours.  I'm completely clear headed when I wake up.

The only times that I've had any problems is if I take it and then try to stay up because I'm reading something or surfing the internet.  Then later I see the crazy emails I've sent and the weird stuff I've ordered from Amazon.
 
2014-01-19 04:04:24 PM
www.worldwidewalrusweb.com
 
2014-01-19 04:07:39 PM

Grumpyoldgeek: I've taken Zolpidem for 5 years or so since I was diagnosed with sleep apnea and insomnia.  Before I started taking it I would lie in bed for an hour or two before being able to fall asleep and then my sleep wasn't very deep.  For me it's great, I take it and then 20 or 30 minutes later I go to bed and I'm asleep as soon as my head hit the pillow.  The only down side is that I wake up exactly 5 hours later.  I look at the clock and go back to sleep for 3 more hours.  I'm completely clear headed when I wake up.


That has been my exact experience.
 
2014-01-19 04:09:59 PM
I fought with insomnia for years and years.

Every time a new medication came out -- starting with downers, to halcion, to Ambien -- the doc had to try it. When it got as far as Ambien, I tried it for a week and stopped. It made me have out-of-bodyish experiences, completely disoriented, disassociated. When it *did* put me to sleep, it was an unnatural sleep that left me feeling as if I hadn't slept at all.

Finally a few years ago, I had another big bout with it and went to a new doctor in my new area. He suggested Trazodone, a generic drug that had once been used as an antidepressant, but was quickly replaced because of its tendency to put people to sleep.

Thirty cents a dose, and thud. No addiction, no side effects, natural sleep.

Big Pharma won't tell you about it, because it's no longer patented and use as a sleep aid is off-label, but doctors will.
 
2014-01-19 04:15:36 PM
This thread is giving me flashbacks from he war with Alaska. Damn those dreaded Walrusback Nanukwaffe.
 
2014-01-19 04:19:40 PM
1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-01-19 04:21:43 PM
Personally I have found that the GABAminergic system is not a think to tinker around with unless you are careful and cautious about it.  Alcohol, Xanax, Halcion, GHB, Zolpidem all that has the potential to really mess you up but can also be a good thing.  Drawing the line between where it goes from positive to negative is the hard part.
 
2014-01-19 04:23:15 PM
Sweet merciful crap. Ambien.

I was prescribed it about 4 years ago when I was having major sleep issues while living in an apartment building. For the first while taking the drug, it was great. I was finally sleeping through the night and was actually well rested instead of feeling like I was going to slip into a coma at my desk around 2 pm.

Then, random objects started to go missing. Things like hairbrushes, coasters and pens. I didn't think much of it at the time, I'm a pretty forgetful person and sometimes I leave things in weird places only to discover them later. Then one morning I woke up on the couch having no memory of how I got there. I just assumed maybe I had gotten up in the middle of the night to go to the bathroom and just didn't remember it. Waking up on the couch now and then seemed like a minor inconvenience considering how I was finally sleeping well.

Then things got weirder. One of the elderly women who lived on my floor started giving me the dirtiest looks when I would pass her in the hallway (we always had a nice rapport - I would help her program her PVR and she'd bake me stuff). One of the older bachelors who lived a few doors down who I also spoke to on a regular basis started acting very uncomfortably when we'd meet in the elevator or the lobby and basically would mumble a response and then scurry away. I couldn't understand what was going on, I couldn't think of anything I'd done to set them off.

Anyway, finally one morning I woke up in a friend's living room who lived a few floors below me. I KNEW I hadn't gone to bed there and started freaking out. He came into the room and told me that he had come into the lobby of our building after the bar at like 3:30am and found me grinding myself on one of the couches in the lobby and swearing. He'd basically herded me up to his place (since I wasn't carrying a key) and plopped me on the couch while he passed out. I had no recollection of this (of course) and threw out the pills the next day. I'm sure they work wonders for some, but I'll never touch them again, insomnia or no.

(turns out I had knocked on the old woman's door late one night and given her a plastic bag full of rags and plastic cups and told her to go f*ck herself. The middle-aged guy never told me what I had done/said, but I'm guessing it wasn't pleasant)
 
2014-01-19 04:27:07 PM
Robert Stewart, 45, stormed into the Pinelake Health and Rehab nursing home in Carthage, North Carolina and opened fire, killing eight people and wounding two. Stewart's apparent target was his estranged wife (survived the shooting unharmed)

So, he pretty much hit everybody but his wife. Stewart is a crap shot.
 
2014-01-19 04:38:24 PM
Still have a scar on my abdomen when I was working nights and taking ambien to sleep.  Was sleep cooking, baking a whole bag of Tyson buffalo tenders and a whole entire bag of French fries, slid out the oven rack too far and burnt myself pretty good. Woke up naked except wearing oven mitts in pretty intense pain.
 
2014-01-19 04:39:56 PM

drgloryboy: Still have a scar on my abdomen when I was working nights and taking ambien to sleep.  Was sleep cooking, baking a whole bag of Tyson buffalo tenders and a whole entire bag of French fries, slid out the oven rack too far and burnt myself pretty good. Woke up naked except wearing oven mitts in pretty intense pain.


Owwwwwwwwch.
 
2014-01-19 04:47:56 PM
Now that Ambien has a stronger warning label, does this mean that the bullshiat "Ambien defense" can be put to rest?
 
2014-01-19 04:49:50 PM

arcas: Now that Ambien has a stronger warning label, does this mean that the bullshiat "Ambien defense" can be put to rest?


RTFA. It actually gives it more credibility.
 
2014-01-19 04:52:21 PM

Lenny_da_Hog: I fought with insomnia for years and years.

Every time a new medication came out -- starting with downers, to halcion, to Ambien -- the doc had to try it. When it got as far as Ambien, I tried it for a week and stopped. It made me have out-of-bodyish experiences, completely disoriented, disassociated. When it *did* put me to sleep, it was an unnatural sleep that left me feeling as if I hadn't slept at all.

Finally a few years ago, I had another big bout with it and went to a new doctor in my new area. He suggested Trazodone, a generic drug that had once been used as an antidepressant, but was quickly replaced because of its tendency to put people to sleep.

Thirty cents a dose, and thud. No addiction, no side effects, natural sleep.

Big Pharma won't tell you about it, because it's no longer patented and use as a sleep aid is off-label, but doctors will.


Shame you have to pay up front for health care though.

Yeah, nationalised health care is socialism, but, FFS, that's the benefit of socialism for services everyone needs.

Got my ma through cancer, and I'm not sure how much the SSRI I've been taking for the past couple of years would cost up front.

When I told my doctor I had trouble sleeping, she told me to do some exercise, to encourage something to do with dopamine. It's more difficult than popping a pill, and less profitable for drug companies.

But, it's better advice, isn't it?

/Profiting from health care is sick.
 
2014-01-19 04:53:36 PM
Ban Ambien and Xanax, and prescribe 15 min of aerobic exercise a day.  Many problems solved.

Never happen.
 
2014-01-19 05:01:10 PM
Zolpidem is dirt cheap, 100 for about $13.00 at Costco.  Don't even bother using my insurance because that's lower than the co-pay for generics on my plan.
 
2014-01-19 05:05:28 PM

iron de havilland: When I told my doctor I had trouble sleeping, she told me to do some exercise, to encourage something to do with dopamine. It's more difficult than popping a pill, and less profitable for drug companies.

But, it's better advice, isn't it?


That's standard advice from every doctor I've spoken to over the last 25 years or so. I usually get plenty of exercise (I walk at least a few miles every day), and still get bouts of insomnia.
 
2014-01-19 05:12:24 PM
ct.fra.bz
 
2014-01-19 05:19:37 PM
Just quit taking pills and smoke a bowl. Weed is a much better sleep aid.When I hit puberity I became a natural tweaker, by that I mean I'd stay awake for 2 or 3 days before succumbing to natural sleep. I tried OTC sleep aids and I'd quickly build up a tolerance to them -- after a few days I'd have to double dose, triple a few more, and so on and so forth. That went on till I was 17 and smoked pot for the first time and slept more than 7 hours without a pill or staying up for a few days. It was a life changing experience.The worst part is it's hard to find a decent job that doesn't piss test. I don't drink, take pills (antibiotics are the exception), don't do the hard stuff, just weed in the evening or when I'm partying. BTW, I'm unable to drink because I can't handle my shiat -- I go sober, buzz, buzz, shiat faced throwing up. If I limit myself to a beer/hour I get bad headaches like I'm hungover.I also have the same sleeping pill tolerance with pain pills, only much worse. I can take one pill once, next time it has to be two, then three....not to get high, but for pain relief. Needless to say, I just refuse vicodin & hydros and deal with the pain. High tolerance to anything but weed, sans the no tolerance for alcohol, sucks in American society.
/I had paragraphs but chrome mobile lumped them into a single one.//don't care to fix that///they come in threes
 
2014-01-19 05:37:47 PM
miss diminutive: Anyway, finally one morning I woke up in a friend's living room who lived a few floors below me. I KNEW I hadn't gone to bed there and started freaking out. He came into the room and told me that he had come into the lobby of our building after the bar at like 3:30am and found me grinding myself on one of the couches in the lobby and swearing. He'd basically herded me up to his place (since I wasn't carrying a key) and plopped me on the couch while he passed out. I had no recollection of this (of course) and threw out the pills the next day. I'm sure they work wonders for some, but I'll never touch them again, insomnia or no.

(turns out I had knocked on the old woman's door late one night and given her a plastic bag full of rags and plastic cups and told her to go f*ck herself. The middle-aged guy never told me what I had done/said, but I'm guessing it wasn't pleasant)


So wait, you sleepwalked (sleptwalked?) to the bar, did the bar thing, and got back to make love to the couch all without waking up?  Holy schnikes that stuff sounds like trouble.

The mental picture of someone knocking on an old lady's door in the middle of the night, handing over a bag of miscellaneous kitchen junk, and telling her to go f*ck herself is cracking me up though.
 
2014-01-19 05:41:45 PM
I'm not taking anything called a hypnotic, unless recreationally.
 
2014-01-19 05:48:32 PM

TuteTibiImperes: So wait, you sleepwalked (sleptwalked?) to the bar, did the bar thing, and got back to make love to the couch all without waking up? Holy schnikes that stuff sounds like trouble.


No no. HE had gone to the bar and found me in the lobby when he came back. We didn't have sex either. (I would've known)
 
2014-01-19 05:52:54 PM

miss diminutive: TuteTibiImperes: So wait, you sleepwalked (sleptwalked?) to the bar, did the bar thing, and got back to make love to the couch all without waking up? Holy schnikes that stuff sounds like trouble.

No no. HE had gone to the bar and found me in the lobby when he came back. We didn't have sex either. (I would've known)


Ah, I misread that part (and I was referring to the couch, not him)
 
2014-01-19 06:02:20 PM
i1079.photobucket.com
 
2014-01-19 06:04:06 PM

Lenny_da_Hog: iron de havilland: When I told my doctor I had trouble sleeping, she told me to do some exercise, to encourage something to do with dopamine. It's more difficult than popping a pill, and less profitable for drug companies.

But, it's better advice, isn't it?

That's standard advice from every doctor I've spoken to over the last 25 years or so. I usually get plenty of exercise (I walk at least a few miles every day), and still get bouts of insomnia.


"A few miles every day" isn't really plenty of exercise, though.

That's the sort of minimum exercise you'd expect any human to complete.

My doctor advised that, if I was unable to sleep, I should go out for a walk or bike ride or something. And that works.

And that's far healthier than taking drugs to solve your problems.
 
2014-01-19 06:08:28 PM
"Altered thought processes, sleepwalking, hallucinations, headaches, nausea and dizziness*" are the side effects of my sleep disorder when untreated. Also microsleeps including mid-step.

/*listed ambien side effects
//Sighted non24. Two rare diseases in one lifetime. Delicious.
 
2014-01-19 06:09:29 PM

TuteTibiImperes: miss diminutive: TuteTibiImperes: So wait, you sleepwalked (sleptwalked?) to the bar, did the bar thing, and got back to make love to the couch all without waking up? Holy schnikes that stuff sounds like trouble.

No no. HE had gone to the bar and found me in the lobby when he came back. We didn't have sex either. (I would've known)

Ah, I misread that part (and I was referring to the couch, not him)


And I misread that part. Wow, double reading comprehension fail.

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2014-01-19 06:16:08 PM
Benadryl and a glass of Scotch always worked for me.
 
2014-01-19 06:42:02 PM
Someone I was once in group therapy with took Ambien and showed up on his pastor's doorstep at 1am, in his underwear, with an unloaded shotgun. I have awful insomnia, but nope. Not gonna try that.
 
2014-01-19 07:22:55 PM

owlholder: Someone I was once in group therapy with took Ambien and showed up on his pastor's doorstep at 1am, in his underwear, with an unloaded shotgun. I have awful insomnia, but nope. Not gonna try that.


Afraid of being with the pastor in your underwear?
 
2014-01-19 08:00:29 PM
I've had sleep problems for years, but stayed away from the meds. I always found chamomile tea works great, and Valerian root if it's severe. It's only worked for insomniacs for a few thousand years, versus all these DT-indusing sleep meds they keep coming up with year in and year old.
 
2014-01-19 09:00:42 PM
Ambien is wack.  Propofol is the way to go, but you need a "sleep buddy" for that one.
 
2014-01-19 09:14:08 PM
God farking damn it people, if you ruin my Ambien, I swear to God....

It's all given to you when you get prescribed it.  You're given a list of things to watch out for and make sure you don't do.  If you start doing weird things 'in your sleep' after taking Ambien, your body doesn't handle it very well.  You can be moved to other sleep meds, and no doctor will give you shiat about it.  You're told to stop taking it if you do farked up shiat.  But people keep doing farked up shiat and then say BUT THE DRUG MADE ME.  These are rarely 'first time' stories that you hear in the news.

Add to that, it's not supposed to be an every night thing.  If it is, you need to be on a rotating schedule of sleep medications that don't cross-tolerate so you don't end up having to take 100mg of the shiat just to go to sleep, and end up dying to it.
 
2014-01-19 10:27:01 PM

iron de havilland: Lenny_da_Hog: iron de havilland: When I told my doctor I had trouble sleeping, she told me to do some exercise, to encourage something to do with dopamine. It's more difficult than popping a pill, and less profitable for drug companies.

But, it's better advice, isn't it?

That's standard advice from every doctor I've spoken to over the last 25 years or so. I usually get plenty of exercise (I walk at least a few miles every day), and still get bouts of insomnia.

"A few miles every day" isn't really plenty of exercise, though.

That's the sort of minimum exercise you'd expect any human to complete.

My doctor advised that, if I was unable to sleep, I should go out for a walk or bike ride or something. And that works.

And that's far healthier than taking drugs to solve your problems.


That's a walk in addition to the normal walking people do every day. That's "I should go out for a walk or bike ride or something."
 
2014-01-19 10:59:15 PM
"In April of 2009, Bronson took a couple of Ambien to help her sleep. She had been drinking wine earlier in the day, and went to bed early. She awoke the following morning in jail, still in her pajamas, barefoot and terrified. When she was told that she had run over three people, including an 18-month-old girl who suffered severe brain damage as a result of the wreck, she was horrified. "

WTF is wrong with people? Oh you took A COUPLE after drinking wine all day and you're wondering what happened all innocent like? Fark you lady, you were an irresponsible coont, enjoy jail you dipshiat.

Meanwhile, I take HALF of one and it puts me out, no problem. I sure as hell don't do it when I have been drinking either.
 
2014-01-19 11:19:14 PM
I have terrible insomnia.

GF takes Ambien and swears by it.  However, I have found her in the bathroom doing her nails at 2 AM.  I have found her passed out on the couch mid text.  She once called me into the living room because "her phone wasn't working, the screen is all garbled"  Er, no, you're hallucinating dear, please come to bed.  I am shiat scared she will mess up and take an Ambien in the morning.  I have since wrote NIGHT ONLY in large black sharpie letters on all the bottles of Zolpidem in the cupboard.  She has actually recommended I take it for my sleep.

No.  I know that Id be the person they'd find running around the courtyard at 3AM in their underwear.  No farking thanks.

I once tried Xanax to help me sleep.  Didn't work.  Sure, it made me less anxious, but the sleep didn't come, and I once woke up, and had an early AM business call where I accused a vendor of being dishonest (because I was still in a Xanax haze and couldn't read the case number correctly)

fark all that shiat.  Bourbon will do nicely for my anxiety and sleeplessness.
 
2014-01-19 11:54:05 PM
I work on a farm during weekends and summers and in a classroom the rest of the time. I'm getting plenty of exercise between work and shooting hoops every evening.

I CAN'T farkING SLEEP.

It's taking absolutely ridiculous amounts of drugs to put me out for an hour or two...like 5 or six Zzquil and Advil PMs. I couldn't finish an internship because the daily 18hr migraines just made me want to die.

In addition, I've been known to get a little feisty under some kinds of medication. Like, "get in a fight with an IV stand (thank you, phenergan) and lose" feisty. It sounds like Ambien would be even worse.

Is there something I could be doing that doesn't involve knocking myself out with a field hockey stick?
 
2014-01-19 11:59:31 PM

Twist2005: I work on a farm during weekends and summers and in a classroom the rest of the time. I'm getting plenty of exercise between work and shooting hoops every evening.

I CAN'T farkING SLEEP.

It's taking absolutely ridiculous amounts of drugs to put me out for an hour or two...like 5 or six Zzquil and Advil PMs. I couldn't finish an internship because the daily 18hr migraines just made me want to die.

In addition, I've been known to get a little feisty under some kinds of medication. Like, "get in a fight with an IV stand (thank you, phenergan) and lose" feisty. It sounds like Ambien would be even worse.

Is there something I could be doing that doesn't involve knocking myself out with a field hockey stick?


Couple shots of whiskey?
 
2014-01-20 12:21:26 AM
I've taken Ambien, as needed only, oh about 8 years. Maybe once a month or two, not more. Also great for travelling. Particularly for the eastbound redeye flights. The stories of people taking Ambien regularly, that's just wrong and it's basically drug abuse. Taking it after an hour of trying to fall asleep, and I'm asleep.
 
2014-01-20 02:14:31 AM
Melatonin.

No more, no less.
 
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