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(AZ Daily Sun)   Arizona Lawmaker: Well, the world needs ditch diggers, too   (azdailysun.com) divider line 115
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2014-01-19 11:59:53 AM
"We're already 46th in spending per child in secondary school, why not cut the college too?! Only socialist countries like Ireland provide college educations! "

I wonder if the snow birds are to blame for this, keeping taxes lower for them since none have kids or grandkids in state.
 
2014-01-19 12:08:44 PM
Ever looked through the want ads lately ? Even the ditchdigger job is asking for a bachelor's degree just to apply.
 
2014-01-19 12:11:30 PM
Needs em, good luck getting anyone to do it.
 
2014-01-19 12:15:58 PM
Well, the world needs ditch diggers uneducated voters, too
 
2014-01-19 12:33:54 PM

twistedmetal: Needs em, good luck getting anyone to do it.


Especially in Arizona where they've been especially gung-ho about sticking it to the immigrants from south of the border who would happily do the jobs that most native-born Americans eschew.
 
2014-01-19 12:36:23 PM
Maybe he's hoping that he'll have a jury of his true peers at his inevitable corruption trial
 
2014-01-19 12:38:36 PM
FTFA: "We spread limited money over a large area, and we have a lot of college graduates who are working in retail and food service jobs," Kavanagh continued. "Is that really a good way to spend money?"

Yes. Yes, it is, you narrow-minded, near-sighted jackass.
 
2014-01-19 12:42:47 PM

Relatively Obscure: Well, the world GOP needs ditch diggers uneducated voters, too



RFTFY
 
2014-01-19 03:57:08 PM

Relatively Obscure: Well, the world needs ditch diggers uneducated voters, too


We have plenty - they're called the Tea Party.
 
2014-01-19 03:59:48 PM
Well, OF COURSE he would think that education is worthless.  One must either be earning $300K/year or be horrendously dim and poorly educated to think that Republican policies are a good idea.
 
2014-01-19 04:06:56 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Maybe he's hoping that he'll have a jury of his true peers at his inevitable corruption trial


Prescient. He appears to be a director and professor at the local community college: probably getting ready to funnel more money that way.

i.imgur.com

 Also, he appears to have a liberal arts degree and a PhD from a state school, which suggests a helping of "I got mine so Fark you."
 
2014-01-19 04:08:33 PM
TuteTibiImperes: twistedmetal: Needs em, good luck getting anyone to do it.

Especially in Arizona where they've been especially gung-ho about sticking it to the immigrants from south of the border who would happily do the jobs that most native-born Americans eschew.

Let's not forget throwing transgender people in jail for using the "wrong" restroom.
 
2014-01-19 04:12:42 PM

twistedmetal: Needs em, good luck getting anyone to do it.


TuteTibiImperes: immigrants from south of the border who would happily do the jobs that most native-born Americans eschew.


i412.photobucket.com
 
2014-01-19 04:46:38 PM

Somacandra: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Maybe he's hoping that he'll have a jury of his true peers at his inevitable corruption trial

Prescient. He appears to be a director and professor at the local community college: probably getting ready to funnel more money that way.

[i.imgur.com image 632x32]

 Also, he appears to have a liberal arts degree and a PhD from a state school, which suggests a helping of "I got mine so Fark you."


NYU is private.
 
2014-01-19 05:24:39 PM
The real fear is that educated people can better tell when they're being hoodwinked by politicians spewing bullshiat.
 
2014-01-19 05:25:31 PM
I know lots of people who would be happy to do manual labor, if they could get a wage for doing so that is higher than their current wage and would therefore feed their families. The problem is, the people who hire such labor don't want to pay a living wage. They want to pay slave wages.
 
2014-01-19 05:30:36 PM
Community colleges.  Invest in them you farktards.
 
2014-01-19 05:34:10 PM
Well, we do have too many people with bachelors degrees, all wanting careers, instead of jobs.

Our economy doesn't work that way.
 
2014-01-19 05:35:00 PM
If you have a back hoe or other pieces of machinery, no you do not need ditch diggers.

Engineers to design and build the machinery. Ppl with certifications to repair the large machinery and operate it.

But ditch diggers?

Not so much in the 21st century
 
2014-01-19 05:36:00 PM
oh yes the civil minded people of the Jan Brewer administration

abcnews.go.com
 
2014-01-19 05:36:32 PM
Corollary: Those ditch diggers deserve a living wage.
 
2014-01-19 05:37:48 PM
Which is why they need to be making livable wages.  Because they're needed and there's not enough office building work for everyone.

/the metaphorical ditch diggers
//machines do most of the literal ditch digging, and the operator can't be a complete dumbass or a lot of damage can happen
 
2014-01-19 05:38:34 PM

HawgWild: FTFA: "We spread limited money over a large area, and we have a lot of college graduates who are working in retail and food service jobs," Kavanagh continued. "Is that really a good way to spend money?"

Yes. Yes, it is, you narrow-minded, near-sighted jackass.


Indeed. Seems like an example of seeing education as a zero-sum game: the only way it's worth spending the money on it is if there's a sufficient ROI. Screw teaching people to actually, ya know, THINK.
 
2014-01-19 05:39:06 PM

Snapper Carr: Corollary: Those ditch diggers deserve a living wage.


Pfft.  If they want a living wage, they should go get a degree.
 
2014-01-19 05:39:08 PM
The concept is not untrue.

The expression and execution, however, is total bullshiat.
 
2014-01-19 05:41:53 PM
What an asshole
 
2014-01-19 05:42:09 PM
I find it telling that three quarters of available jobs for the near term will be low/no skill jobs. Why would you want an educated job force if you have no plans to attract high paying industries? I mean, it's not like an educated workforce is an attraction to high skill, high paying industries.
 
2014-01-19 05:44:20 PM
The 63-year-old Kavanagh said that up until the 1970s only the best students went on to get a university degree.

"Now, almost anybody can go to college," he said.

"We spread limited money over a large area, and we have a lot of college graduates who are working in retail and food service jobs," Kavanagh continued. "Is that really a good way to spend money?"


Well if your corporate ilk didn't dismantle the working class in this country and sent it to the third world, we wouldn't have the bulk of the problem you farks.
 
2014-01-19 05:44:27 PM
He has an excellent point.  The last thing this country needs is well-educated masses of underemployed individuals.  This can only lead to dissension and revolt.
 
2014-01-19 05:48:06 PM

runwiz: He has an excellent point.  The last thing this country needs is well-educated masses of underemployed individuals.  This can only lead to dissension and revolt.


Or brain drain, maybe.
 
2014-01-19 05:49:09 PM
What we need is to acknowledge that we need to have people work less. We have more labor than demand for it.

We passed the point where our technology does enough that we should work less about 20 years ago. We need to accept this.

/Education is a great place for the extra people.
 
2014-01-19 05:51:41 PM

invictus2: The 63-year-old Kavanagh said that up until the 1970s only the best students went on to get a university degree.

"Now, almost anybody can go to college," he said.

"We spread limited money over a large area, and we have a lot of college graduates who are working in retail and food service jobs," Kavanagh continued. "Is that really a good way to spend money?"


Well if your corporate ilk didn't dismantle the working class in this country and sent it to the third world, we wouldn't have the bulk of the problem you farks.


This.  Maybe devaluing labor wasn't such a good idea.  Seriously fark this guy.
 
2014-01-19 05:57:21 PM

invictus2: oh yes the civil minded people of the Jan Brewer administration

[abcnews.go.com image 478x269]


Hey that was when Obama came to tout the new Intel manufacturing site.

That they just shuttered indefinitely.
 
2014-01-19 06:00:20 PM
How many different ways can these people come up with to say "Fark you, I've got mine?"
 
2014-01-19 06:07:31 PM

Gig103: "We're already 46th in spending per child in secondary school, why not cut the college too?! Only socialist countries like Ireland provide college educations! "

I wonder if the snow birds are to blame for this, keeping taxes lower for them since none have kids or grandkids in state.


Yes.
Plus, he's sucking up to Governor Skeletor Leatherface, who has a huge chip on her shoulder when it comes to people with university degrees. He'll be running for the state senate, and wants her endorsement.
Let's just say that his position on education improves his standing with, um,  certain sectors of the economy.
 
2014-01-19 06:10:42 PM
Be warned, Elites. Those ditch diggers can dig your graves just as easily.
 
2014-01-19 06:11:17 PM
When was the last time you heard of anybody digging ditches as a career? When was the last time you even saw a ditch being dug?

world needs ditch diggers to is a horrible thing to say.
 
2014-01-19 06:14:28 PM
Yup, and they're usually pretty big machines operated by a union guy

ak.picdn.net
 
2014-01-19 06:14:38 PM
"If somebody's going to end up in a sales position or someone's going to be a real estate agent, why are we investing all this money in a research university degree," he said. "What's the purpose of it?"

For one, it will allow them to study how much energy can be extracted from the whoosh the point flying over your head makes.
 
2014-01-19 06:17:47 PM

Fart_Machine: invictus2: The 63-year-old Kavanagh said that up until the 1970s only the best students went on to get a university degree.

"Now, almost anybody can go to college," he said.

"We spread limited money over a large area, and we have a lot of college graduates who are working in retail and food service jobs," Kavanagh continued. "Is that really a good way to spend money?"


Well if your corporate ilk didn't dismantle the working class in this country and sent it to the third world, we wouldn't have the bulk of the problem you farks.

This.  Maybe devaluing labor wasn't such a good idea.  Seriously fark this guy.


Labor really started taking a dive after NAFTA.  The problem is that it's very difficult to compete with workers halfway across the world who work for less than a dollar a day.  But unless we start a trade war with punitive tariffs, I don't see how you can stop it.
 
2014-01-19 06:19:49 PM

tbeatty: invictus2: oh yes the civil minded people of the Jan Brewer administration

[abcnews.go.com image 478x269]

Hey that was when Obama came to tout the new Intel manufacturing site.

That they just shuttered indefinitely.


And still hired over 1000 new employees in AZ.  So it's not all bad.   http://news.yahoo.com/intel-not-opening-chip-factory-heralded-obama-2 0 2908632--finance.html
 
2014-01-19 06:22:25 PM
Most states have slashed university funding to the point that some (like Clemson University) are trying to de-affiliate from the State system, as the paperwork isn't worth the meager return. If states were really serious about controlling their university's costs to students, they'd appropriate funds based on reducing the administrative overhead at each school.
 
2014-01-19 06:24:57 PM

sendtodave: Well, we do have too many people with bachelors degrees, all wanting careers, instead of jobs.

Our economy doesn't work that way.


Seeing as I have you farkied as "prick who looks down on hourly employees ", you'll excuse me if I don't think your opinion on anything job-related is worth a pile of dog crap.
 
2014-01-19 06:30:24 PM

teenage mutant ninja rapist: When was the last time you heard of anybody digging ditches as a career? When was the last time you even saw a ditch being dug?

world needs ditch diggers to is a horrible thing to say.


I live in a rural area, with lots of ditches. I see at least one per year being dug, and most often by humans at that. I see at least twenty being cleared of weeds. In fact, I think that burning season is probably going to start in the next couple weeks...
 
2014-01-19 06:40:36 PM

Neeek: What we need is to acknowledge that we need to have people work less. We have more labor than demand for it.

We passed the point where our technology does enough that we should work less about 20 years ago. We need to accept this.

/Education is a great place for the extra people.


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2014-01-19 06:41:21 PM

TuteTibiImperes: Somacandra: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Maybe he's hoping that he'll have a jury of his true peers at his inevitable corruption trial

Prescient. He appears to be a director and professor at the local community college: probably getting ready to funnel more money that way.

[i.imgur.com image 632x32]

 Also, he appears to have a liberal arts degree and a PhD from a state school, which suggests a helping of "I got mine so Fark you."

NYU is private.



Tute was half right--NYU, where he got his BA, is private, but Rutger's, where he got his PhD, is a state school.
 
2014-01-19 06:52:10 PM

Neeek: What we need is to acknowledge that we need to have people work less. We have more labor than demand for it.

We passed the point where our technology does enough that we should work less about 20 years ago. We need to accept this.

/Education is a great place for the extra people.


I get the feeling our Peerless Feeders DID accept it a long time ago. And, given how frantically they're bludgeoning away at what remains of our safety nets, shifting the financial burden for pretty much everything off of their own shoulders, and militarizing the police, I'm pretty sure that at least some significant majority of them have already decided on the ideal solution to the problem:  "Root hog, or die." Fewer people needed to do less work, with the excess population trying to starve to death a little slower by any means necessary and getting their heads caved in when they're not dying quietly enough.
 
2014-01-19 07:00:24 PM

12349876: Which is why they need to be making livable wages.  Because they're needed and there's not enough office building work for everyone.

/the metaphorical ditch diggers
//machines do most of the literal ditch digging, and the operator can't be a complete dumbass or a lot of damage can happen


You mean fiber finders?

This jacka$$ can blame HR if he wants to whine about degree inflation.
 
2014-01-19 07:01:57 PM

Pokey.Clyde: sendtodave: Well, we do have too many people with bachelors degrees, all wanting careers, instead of jobs.

Our economy doesn't work that way.

Seeing as I have you farkied as "prick who looks down on hourly employees ", you'll excuse me if I don't think your opinion on anything job-related is worth a pile of dog crap.


Wow. Really?

Awesome. That's, like, troll bonus points.
 
2014-01-19 07:08:38 PM
"If somebody's going to end up in a sales position or someone's going to be a real estate agent, why are we investing all this money in a research university degree," he said. "What's the purpose of it?"

Because when I've got a sales team from Allen-Bradley, Phoenix Contact, Power-One, CUI, and Omron all competing to be the supplier of DIN mounted DC power supplies for the next product line my company is developing they typically send a couple people to meet with us, typically at least one has a B.S. in engineering, and at least one has a B.S. in some business related field.  Why?  Because the engineer can better understand our technical needs and explain where their product line will be more beneficial then all the other product lines that are competing for our business.  The business person can better understand our purchasing, production, and service departments' needs and figure out how to work with them to make our materials procurement and handling easier if we choose them over their competitors.

I don't know much about real estate, but I'm sure there is a distinct advantage that comes with understanding a field related to finance, marketing, economics, or some other facet of business.

Goddamn, I am so sick of this anti-education bullsh*t.  Demonizing teachers, cutting funding, wanting to teach creationism as science, gleefully rewriting history texts to the point of turning it into a fantasy novel, etc.  We get it; you need people that are easy to dupe, and the easiest way is to keep them from getting an education and learning how to think.

"If a student can't even spell 'calculus' when they graduate from high school, how are they going to go into engineering and fill these positions?" he asked.

By the time they graduate and can't spell calculus, they probably won't ever be able to fill the positions in question.  Congrats, you failed them.  Here's an idea, how about you stop failing them up until that point just so you can turn around and point and say "look here at this dummy.  He can't even spell 'calculus.' How's he ever supposed to be an engineer?  Har har har."
 
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