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(NYPost)   While in the process of repairing damage from Hurricane Sandy, village board steps in to help a local WWII Vet and grocery store owner. Just kidding, they hit him with Eminent Domain so their buddies can build a new supermarket   (nypost.com) divider line 136
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2014-01-19 04:43:44 PM  

SlothB77: Weatherkiss: Why does it matter he's a WWII vet?

Oh, right. The appeal to emotion.

Because we fought wars like that to preserve our freedoms, like the right to own property without the threat of government seizure.

what's the point of fighting a war with Germany to prevent them from seizing your property when America will just do it anyways


kindreda.edublogs.org
 
2014-01-19 04:46:29 PM  

SlothB77: LordJiro: AngryDragon: Darth_Lukecash: I was told that conservative business people hated government interference. You know, small government should let markets decide.

You know that Mayor Robert Cox III of Saltaire, the locality in question, is not only a Democrat and the son of a Democrat, but a 4 term incumbent, right?  I was told that Democrats protect the interests of the little people against corporate and government oppression.

Oops.

You know that he didn't say "Republican"? "Democrat" and "conservative" are not mutually exclusive.

Hahahaha. Democrats are conservatives now.


I feel justified in pointing out that many congress critters have switched sides, repeatedly, because of the whole political expediency thing.
 
2014-01-19 04:50:23 PM  

Weatherkiss: SlothB77: Weatherkiss: Why does it matter he's a WWII vet?

Oh, right. The appeal to emotion.

Because we fought wars like that to preserve our freedoms, like the right to own property without the threat of government seizure.

what's the point of fighting a war with Germany to prevent them from seizing your property when America will just do it anyways


Hey now! Manifest Destiny doesn't count! We legitimately traded our lead projectiles to the noble Native Americans for their land. And, we totally didn't break our word at the first opportunity. And, we totally didn't give them small pox ridden blankets.
 
2014-01-19 04:51:25 PM  

Talondel: Darth_Lukecash: I was talking about the business people who wanted to develop on the Vets shop using their political connection.

Yes, you were.  And we had actual "small government" that lacked the power to take property from one person and give it to another based on political connections, we wouldn't have that problem.  Trying to blame this on 'conservatives' or 'markets' is moronic.  Using government to force a sale to a private party is pretty much the exact opposite of a 'market' force.




First: small government isn't the physical size, but the power it holds. A dictatorship is really a small big government. This small town council held much power.

Second: conservatives tend to want no government. And allow market to decide.

Third: a majority of business people are conservative. Not all, but many.

Fourth: in this case, business People are using government for there own ends.

I was told that conservatives would naturally shun such practice. According to the invisible hand and other such nonsense.
 
2014-01-19 04:54:03 PM  
There are good and valid reasons for eminent domain laws.  Lakes and highways, in particular.  Texas has one natural lake (and it ran dry some time back, until they came in and built a damn.)  Without eminent domain, they couldn't have built the lakes, and without the lakes, Texas as we know it today couldn't exist.

Highways, everywhere, would be difficult or impossible without imminent domain.

But it's so often abused, as we're seeing here.  And I notice someone posted a pic above of Jerry World, which is a great example of stealing peoples land so some rich folks can make more money.
 
2014-01-19 04:56:42 PM  

Weatherkiss:

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That stagecoach driver is getting a hell of an up skirt shot
 
2014-01-19 04:58:25 PM  
yakmans_dad: buzzcut73: Thanks, Stevens, joined by Kennedy, Souter, Ginsburg, Breyer

I'd be interested to see how the debate on this evolved in chambers. The alignment seems entirely political rather than from the facts. If Kennedy Souter etc had opposed the plan, I wouldn't have been surprised to see the Lying Scum support it. Republicanism has, since the 80s, become completely a matter of opposing Democrats. Why? Because you can't raise money from dumbos based on agreement.


You should win a prize for this ^.

Read it again and tell the class you were joking.
 
2014-01-19 05:00:14 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: AngryDragon: Darth_Lukecash: I was told that conservative business people hated government interference. You know, small government should let markets decide.

You know that Mayor Robert Cox III of Saltaire, the locality in question, is not only a Democrat and the son of a Democrat, but a 4 term incumbent, right?  I was told that Democrats protect the interests of the little people against corporate and government oppression.

Oops.

Did I say GOP? Did I say Democratic? No? There is a reason for that. I was targeting so called "small government" mentality that reigns in business. I did not mention party.

I was talking about the business people who wanted to develop on the Vets shop using their political connection. The fact the mayor is a democratic incumbent makes it a complete disgrace. I hope an opponent beats him. Weather republican or democrat.

So enjoy your imaginary victory at something a liberal did not say


You don't even see the irony of deriding "conservatives" for their "small government" free-market mentality when this is CLEARLY a big government collusion with corporate interests to impose on a private citizen?  Oh, and he just happens to be a "liberal Democrat"?

Denial much?
 
2014-01-19 05:06:57 PM  
berylman: drjekel_mrhyde: I'm sorry, but I don't give one shiat that he was a WWII vet.

I've noticed that whenever an article writer is trying to get us to sympathize with a party if they are a veteran it is prominently mentioned, if that person is the perceived bad guy the veteran part is left out unless dishonorably discharged.  Nothing against vets, just saying it's used as a tool to sway opinion and as a default positive character reference when it really doesn't say much without context.

see also: "mom"
 
2014-01-19 05:16:54 PM  

AngryDragon: Darth_Lukecash: AngryDragon: Darth_Lukecash: I was told that conservative business people hated government interference. You know, small government should let markets decide.

You know that Mayor Robert Cox III of Saltaire, the locality in question, is not only a Democrat and the son of a Democrat, but a 4 term incumbent, right?  I was told that Democrats protect the interests of the little people against corporate and government oppression.

Oops.

Did I say GOP? Did I say Democratic? No? There is a reason for that. I was targeting so called "small government" mentality that reigns in business. I did not mention party.

I was talking about the business people who wanted to develop on the Vets shop using their political connection. The fact the mayor is a democratic incumbent makes it a complete disgrace. I hope an opponent beats him. Weather republican or democrat.

So enjoy your imaginary victory at something a liberal did not say

You don't even see the irony of deriding "conservatives" for their "small government" free-market mentality when this is CLEARLY a big government collusion with corporate interests to impose on a private citizen?  Oh, and he just happens to be a "liberal Democrat"?

Denial much?




You seem to believe that there is no irony in a business using big government tactics when it suits them... Even working with a democratic mayor.

I've been told countless number of times that no business would ever abuse the taxpayers in this way. After all, the marketplace holds no love for those who take an unfair advantage.

It's clear we both are disgusted with the actions taken. I have renounced that mayor as political scum. Will you renounce the businesses that hide behind the conservative ideology skirts?
 
2014-01-19 05:19:14 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: I was told that conservative business people hated government interference. You know, small government should let markets decide.


Lol.  That should get some bites.
 
2014-01-19 05:23:13 PM  
Without even seeing the map, I predict the site of the Village Hall is much better suited than this guy's store, and so long as the politicians are selling out, they should be seen to do so.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-01-19 05:25:51 PM  

DarkSoulNoHope: iheartscotch: Eminent domain can be a good thing or a very bad thing.

Eminent domain is the reason why we have highways and railroads. Eminent domain is also the hammer that really rich people use to screw over poor people who don't want sell their land.

Thanks to the New London ruling. Of course what happened to that property after the success for the developers? NOTHING! The people who were forced to accept "market value" and thrown out for what was supposed to be higher tax paying private developers, get to see empty lots now because Pfizer never built there.

http://www.propertyrightsalliance.org/life-kelo-v-city-new-london-a2 92 1


Haven't most states passed legislation rejecting or severely limiting the effects of Kelo?
 
2014-01-19 05:30:15 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: You seem to believe that there is no irony in a business using big government tactics when it suits them... Even working with a democratic mayor.

I've been told countless number of times that no business would ever abuse the taxpayers in this way. After all, the marketplace holds no love for those who take an unfair advantage.

It's clear we both are disgusted with the actions taken. I have renounced that mayor as political scum. Will you renounce the businesses that hide behind the conservative ideology skirts?


I have no love whatsoever for the businesses that act as if they are above the law.  My point is that the people who are labeled as both conservatively and liberals are both corrupted and co-opted by the corporate person in this country.  As long as we continue to infight between ourselves under the auspices of political "teams" and not address this travesty head on we deserve what we get.

Any one who doesn't see that both sides are working against us is in a fantasy land.
 
2014-01-19 05:50:37 PM  

AngryDragon: Darth_Lukecash: I was told that conservative business people hated government interference. You know, small government should let markets decide.

You know that Mayor Robert Cox III of Saltaire, the locality in question, is not only a Democrat and the son of a Democrat, but a 4 term incumbent, right?  I was told that Democrats protect the interests of the little people against corporate and government oppression.

Oops.


Nah, they are the slimiest crooks there are. And we have a Chicago-style one as president due to the fact that over 50% of our voting populace are brainwashed idiots.
 
2014-01-19 05:53:49 PM  
Thanks a lot Supreme Court.
 
2014-01-19 06:05:52 PM  
happydude45:

Nah, they are the slimiest crooks there are. And we have a Chicago-style one as president due to the fact that over 50% of our voting populace are brainwashed idiots.

You think that's bad?  Way more people than that think that it actually matters who, if anybody , is sitting in the oval office because we have representative governance.  At's a hoot, innit?
 
2014-01-19 06:06:21 PM  
And life/civilization evolves on. Why does everyone hate evolution? If you want a place for generations to come, do it in the mountains, off the beaten trail. It'll be a while before the strip malls and developers start showing up.
 
2014-01-19 06:09:34 PM  

Spare Me: Why does everyone hate evolution?


I'm not sure I do.  When does it start?  Because so far, "I want that!", *BONK*, "eat sh*t" seems pretty Neanderthal.
 
2014-01-19 06:10:11 PM  

AngryDragon: Darth_Lukecash: You seem to believe that there is no irony in a business using big government tactics when it suits them... Even working with a democratic mayor.

I've been told countless number of times that no business would ever abuse the taxpayers in this way. After all, the marketplace holds no love for those who take an unfair advantage.

It's clear we both are disgusted with the actions taken. I have renounced that mayor as political scum. Will you renounce the businesses that hide behind the conservative ideology skirts?

I have no love whatsoever for the businesses that act as if they are above the law.  My point is that the people who are labeled as both conservatively and liberals are both corrupted and co-opted by the corporate person in this country.  As long as we continue to infight between ourselves under the auspices of political "teams" and not address this travesty head on we deserve what we get.

Any one who doesn't see that both sides are working against us is in a fantasy land.




I agree with you that corruption will dress itself in whatever political/philosophical it can to obtain its goal.

I do not agree that both sides are bad. One political viewpoint is very self destructive danger to the country.

I also believe that there is a pragmatic way of using the best ideas of both ideals.
 
2014-01-19 06:14:32 PM  

Weatherkiss: SlothB77: Weatherkiss: Why does it matter he's a WWII vet?

Oh, right. The appeal to emotion.

Because we fought wars like that to preserve our freedoms, like the right to own property without the threat of government seizure.

what's the point of fighting a war with Germany to prevent them from seizing your property when America will just do it anyways

[kindreda.edublogs.org image 700x546]


My County Fap of Thee
 
2014-01-19 06:16:50 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: I do not agree that both sides are bad. One political viewpoint is very self destructive danger to the country.


And whether or not that's true is largely inconsequential, because in a system where this is a vote

i.dailymail.co.uk
And this is governance

www.indybay.org

It doesn't matter if Mother Theresa is resurrected and runs for office.

We're stuck praying to the same dime store god, and the people with the most votes, win.
 
2014-01-19 06:32:27 PM  

happydude45: And we have a Chicago-style one as president due to the fact that over 50% of our voting populace are brainwashed idiots.


Mitt Romney would not be doing a better job.
 
2014-01-19 06:38:14 PM  

bunner: Darth_Lukecash: I do not agree that both sides are bad. One political viewpoint is very self destructive danger to the country.

And whether or not that's true is largely inconsequential, because in a system where this is a vote

[i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x264]
And this is governance

[www.indybay.org image 640x480]

It doesn't matter if Mother Theresa is resurrected and runs for office.

We're stuck praying to the same dime store god, and the people with the most votes, win.


And 2000 years ago it was this.

www.coinlink.com

And this...

romanmilitary.net

Your point?
 
2014-01-19 06:39:22 PM  

Spare Me: bunner: Darth_Lukecash: I do not agree that both sides are bad. One political viewpoint is very self destructive danger to the country.

And whether or not that's true is largely inconsequential, because in a system where this is a vote

[i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x264]
And this is governance

[www.indybay.org image 640x480]

It doesn't matter if Mother Theresa is resurrected and runs for office.

We're stuck praying to the same dime store god, and the people with the most votes, win.

And 2000 years ago it was this.

[www.coinlink.com image 350x203]

And this...

[romanmilitary.net image 446x302]

Your point?


Recursive empires that implode out of greed and hubris are, so far, bound to do so.  Yours, sir?
 
2014-01-19 06:40:22 PM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: happydude45: And we have a Chicago-style one as president due to the fact that over 50% of our voting populace are brainwashed idiots.

Mitt Romney would not be doing a better job.


media.tumblr.com
 
2014-01-19 06:40:41 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: I was told that conservatives would naturally shun such practice. According to the invisible hand and other such nonsense.


No, that's either a moronic interpretation of the argument or a strong man.  The argument is that if government has the power to take property in order to redistribute wealth, that power will be used to take from those without political power, and give it to those who do.  That is what happened to Suzette Kelo.  That is what is happening here.

If we had an actual small government that lacked the power to confiscate property and give it to others, we would not have this problem.  Not because the 'conservative would naturally shun such practice.'  But rather because, if the government could not force the sale, the buyer would have to negotiate a price that the current owner is willing to sell for.  Believing in the 'invisible hand' or 'the market' is not about believing that people will suddenly stop acting in their own self interest.  Your entire argument seems to be based on this assumption.  I can't tell if you're actually so stupid that you don't understand what free market proponents believe, of if you're so dishonest that you don't mind warping their positions to attack them.

On top of that, you're making the assumption that this guy is 'conservative' just so you can turn this into a political debate, where there need not be one.  You have no idea what the guys political beliefs are, and even if you did they'd be irrelevant.  The only thing that enables him to pursue this guys property through eminent domain is the *liberal* belief that government should be able to confiscate what you own into order to give it to someone else.
 
2014-01-19 06:42:40 PM  

Spare Me: Your point?


I almost forgot, recursive empires that implode out of greed and hubris are, so far, bound to do so and so far, we seem to have learned FA from this.
 
2014-01-19 06:45:44 PM  

bunner: Recursive empires that implode out of greed and hubris are, so far, bound to do so. Yours, sir?


Nothing is going to change. It's how human civilizations work. All forms of Greed are part of our DNA, it's never going away. Sometimes it's good, most of the time it isn't.
 
2014-01-19 06:52:10 PM  

Spare Me: All forms of Greed are part of our DNA


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Spare Me: Sometimes it's good


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2014-01-19 07:00:07 PM  
Nothing does change because we have a load of fatalists who are pronouncing life on earth as a piss up a rope.  These people are essentially, lazy, IMHO.
 
2014-01-19 07:15:33 PM  
Wait, so they're using eminent domain to seize a local guy's grocery store to replace it with.... a corporate owned grocery store. If you don't smell something fishy in that then I don't know what to say to you.

I don't think that the government using its power to encourage/discourage certain types of businesses or businesses in certain areas is necessarily particularly problematic. But putting one out of business so another of the same type in the exact same spot? Yeah, how about NO. That's an express train to corruption.
 
2014-01-19 07:15:41 PM  

Spare Me: ThrobblefootSpectre: happydude45: And we have a Chicago-style one as president due to the fact that over 50% of our voting populace are brainwashed idiots.

Mitt Romney would not be doing a better job.

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Stupid Things Mitt Says:
"It's not the language I would have used"
"I'm not concerned about the very poor, there is a safety net there"
"I like being able to fire people"
"I have some friends who are NASCAR team owners"
"Planned Parenthood, we're going to get rid of that"
 -
"Ann Drives a couple of Cadillacs"
"The answer is self-deportation, which is people decide they can do better by going home"
"Corporations are People"
 
2014-01-19 07:23:25 PM  
FTFA: The state Department of State denied the request this month.

As opposed to the uhhh, ah hell, I don't know.
 
2014-01-19 07:26:11 PM  

italie: Stupid Things Mitt Says:


"It's not the language I would have used"
"I'm not concerned about the very poor, there is a safety net there"
"I like being able to fire people"
"I have some friends who are NASCAR team owners"
"Planned Parenthood, we're going to get rid of that"
"Ann Drives a couple of Cadillacs"
"The answer is self-deportation, which is people decide they can do better by going home"
"Corporations are People"


"I'm some ivy league, daft, sheltered, pigsh*t rich c*nt and you should hire me to the be the figurehead of America."
 
2014-01-19 07:26:13 PM  
Oh Mitt's about to get roasted for some of his soul crushing bain capital deplorable business acts, so you can just cease with your ass kissery of him ever. He was never going to be your savior, and he is rather a terrible person.
 
2014-01-19 07:35:33 PM  

Nacc: Oh Mitt's about to get roasted for some of his soul crushing bain capital deplorable business acts, so you can just cease with your ass kissery of him ever. He was never going to be your savior, and he is rather a terrible person.


But how can we expect the ostentatiously avaricious to let the wealth begin to trickle down if we don't kiss their asses?11!1!!!


                                                                    * S N O  R T *
 
2014-01-19 07:57:35 PM  

bunner: iheartscotch: That's actually not surprising. This whole Republican vs Democrat thing is a farce.

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 500x419]


Interesting you chose a football metaphor because that's exactly what it is. We 'mercuns love our sports, our "us vs them" frame of mind. The R and D thing is exactly like the NFL. The only winners are the owners.
 
2014-01-19 08:07:14 PM  
I think we all knew instinctively that aside from public works, eminent domain is a hotbed of corruption.
 
2014-01-19 08:16:38 PM  

yakmans_dad: buzzcut73: Thanks, Stevens, joined by Kennedy, Souter, Ginsburg, Breyer

I'd be interested to see how the debate on this evolved in chambers. The alignment seems entirely political rather than from the facts. If Kennedy Souter etc had opposed the plan, I wouldn't have been surprised to see the Lying Scum support it. Republicanism has, since the 80s, become completely a matter of opposing Democrats. Why? Because you can't raise money from dumbos based on agreement.

Obama's policies have been 99% recycled Republican ideas. Yet, to hear the screams, he's a Muslim communist friend of Wall Street,


It's such an interesting case. It empowered the legislature, which is the "typical" position of the right wing judges. It also didn't change any legal precedent and continued the status quo.
 
2014-01-19 08:20:02 PM  

Nick Nostril: bunner: iheartscotch: That's actually not surprising. This whole Republican vs Democrat thing is a farce.

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 500x419]

Interesting you chose a football metaphor because that's exactly what it is. We 'mercuns love our sports, our "us vs them" frame of mind. The R and D thing is exactly like the NFL. The only winners are the owners.


Yup.
 
2014-01-19 08:25:05 PM  

AngryDragon: Darth_Lukecash: AngryDragon: Darth_Lukecash: I was told that conservative business people hated government interference. You know, small government should let markets decide.

You know that Mayor Robert Cox III of Saltaire, the locality in question, is not only a Democrat and the son of a Democrat, but a 4 term incumbent, right?  I was told that Democrats protect the interests of the little people against corporate and government oppression.

Oops.

Did I say GOP? Did I say Democratic? No? There is a reason for that. I was targeting so called "small government" mentality that reigns in business. I did not mention party.

I was talking about the business people who wanted to develop on the Vets shop using their political connection. The fact the mayor is a democratic incumbent makes it a complete disgrace. I hope an opponent beats him. Weather republican or democrat.

So enjoy your imaginary victory at something a liberal did not say

You don't even see the irony of deriding "conservatives" for their "small government" free-market mentality when this is CLEARLY a big government collusion with corporate interests to impose on a private citizen?  Oh, and he just happens to be a "liberal Democrat"?

Denial much?


If you think a mayor of a small, wealthy town in Long Island would be a "liberal" you need to travel more.

But seriously, you've never been to LI, right?
 
2014-01-19 08:29:52 PM  

super_grass: I think we all knew instinctively that aside from public works, eminent domain is a hotbed of corruption.


The idea of eminent domain is very American. NOTHING has value other than its intrinsic value. That is an absolutely American idea and also brilliant. Your touchy feely memories have no value. Your land is only worth what it is worth. There has never been a more American idea and it allows for growth. I'd go as far as arguing that opposition to eminent domain is almost as un-American as opposition to capitalism or the pursuit of justice.
 
2014-01-19 08:31:22 PM  

Moopy Mac: Your touchy feely memories have no value.


Oh, I dunno.  They probably are as valuable as any given ostensibly high minded postulation.
 
2014-01-19 08:34:42 PM  

bunner: Moopy Mac: Your touchy feely memories have no value.

Oh, I dunno.  They probably are as valuable as any given ostensibly high minded postulation.


Well, the law and the constitution say otherwise.
 
2014-01-19 08:36:27 PM  

Moopy Mac: bunner: Moopy Mac: Your touchy feely memories have no value.

Oh, I dunno.  They probably are as valuable as any given ostensibly high minded postulation.

Well, the law and the constitution say otherwise.


And that is working out so well for anybody who isn't an insulated prig or poor.  USA!
 
2014-01-19 08:39:24 PM  

bunner: Moopy Mac: bunner: Moopy Mac: Your touchy feely memories have no value.

Oh, I dunno.  They probably are as valuable as any given ostensibly high minded postulation.

Well, the law and the constitution say otherwise.

And that is working out so well for anybody who isn't an insulated prig or poor.  USA!


That's not true at all. I'd love examples of poor people getting less than what their property is worth in connection with eminent domain actions. Typically (see: every stadium built recently) they can get more with a little bit of patience and an attorney on contingency.
 
2014-01-19 08:39:24 PM  
Oddly, none of that is actually in the constitution.  Malleable constructs are often subverted.  See free market capitalism.
 
2014-01-19 08:40:46 PM  
Moopy Mac: 

That's not true at all.

Then we're done here.  Carry on.
 
2014-01-19 08:40:57 PM  

bunner: Oddly, none of that is actually in the constitution.  Malleable constructs are often subverted.  See free market capitalism.


It's almost as if the term "public use" has been a point of discussion for 70+ years.
 
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