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(NYPost)   While in the process of repairing damage from Hurricane Sandy, village board steps in to help a local WWII Vet and grocery store owner. Just kidding, they hit him with Eminent Domain so their buddies can build a new supermarket   (nypost.com) divider line 137
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2014-01-19 01:45:16 PM
Subby, were you drunk when you wrote this headline?
 
2014-01-19 01:55:01 PM
fta "The repairs that are required due to the flooding ... do not appear to me to be substantial improvements as defined in the Building Code," reads one village-commissioned report.
But the village has variously argued that the damage was so vast that an onerous approval process was needed to rebuild or that the plans submitted by the Whitneys were incomplete.


This is easily solved. Hire an architect or an engineer to survey the property and submit a report. Ta-da.
 
2014-01-19 01:59:56 PM

JasonOfOrillia: Subby, were you drunk when you wrote this headline?


www.hrwiki.org
 
2014-01-19 02:17:31 PM

Adolf Oliver Nipples: JasonOfOrillia: Subby, were you drunk when you wrote this headline?

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And, of course, the headline was corrected.

It used to be "While in the process of repairing damage from Hurricane Sandy, village board steps in to help a local WWII Vet and grocery store owner. Just kidding, they hit him Eminent Domain so their buddy's can build a new supermarket"
 
2014-01-19 02:20:06 PM

JasonOfOrillia: Adolf Oliver Nipples: JasonOfOrillia: Subby, were you drunk when you wrote this headline?

[www.hrwiki.org image 180x130]

And, of course, the headline was corrected.

It used to be "While in the process of repairing damage from Hurricane Sandy, village board steps in to help a local WWII Vet and grocery store owner. Just kidding, they hit him Eminent Domain so their buddy's can build a new supermarket"


Better than correcting it to read "They hit him with ED", because that would be a hell of a thing to do to the guy.
 
2014-01-19 02:24:24 PM
I was told that conservative business people hated government interference. You know, small government should let markets decide.
 
2014-01-19 02:54:12 PM

Notabunny: JasonOfOrillia: Adolf Oliver Nipples: JasonOfOrillia: Subby, were you drunk when you wrote this headline?

[www.hrwiki.org image 180x130]

And, of course, the headline was corrected.

It used to be "While in the process of repairing damage from Hurricane Sandy, village board steps in to help a local WWII Vet and grocery store owner. Just kidding, they hit him Eminent Domain so their buddy's can build a new supermarket"

Better than correcting it to read "They hit him with ED", because that would be a hell of a thing to do to the guy.


Eating Disorders? Ew.
 
2014-01-19 02:56:50 PM

Darth_Lukecash: I was told that conservative business people hated government interference. You know, small government should let markets decide.


You know that Mayor Robert Cox III of Saltaire, the locality in question, is not only a Democrat and the son of a Democrat, but a 4 term incumbent, right?  I was told that Democrats protect the interests of the little people against corporate and government oppression.

Oops.
 
2014-01-19 02:59:48 PM
Small business owner = Job Creator

Where are you, Tea Party?  Where are you Gretchen Carlson?
 
2014-01-19 03:01:09 PM
Will no one stop Chris Christie?
 
2014-01-19 03:02:28 PM

AngryDragon: Darth_Lukecash: I was told that conservative business people hated government interference. You know, small government should let markets decide.

You know that Mayor Robert Cox III of Saltaire, the locality in question, is not only a Democrat and the son of a Democrat, but a 4 term incumbent, right?  I was told that Democrats protect the interests of the little people against corporate and government oppression.

Oops.


You know that he didn't say "Republican"? "Democrat" and "conservative" are not mutually exclusive.
 
2014-01-19 03:02:52 PM

AngryDragon: Darth_Lukecash: I was told that conservative business people hated government interference. You know, small government should let markets decide.

You know that Mayor Robert Cox III of Saltaire, the locality in question, is not only a Democrat and the son of a Democrat, but a 4 term incumbent, right?  I was told that Democrats protect the interests of the little people against corporate and government oppression.

Oops.

Guess Darth got pwnd, badly. What a maroon.

 
2014-01-19 03:03:15 PM
I'm sorry, but I don't give one shiat that he was a WWII vet.
/I do wish that he wins
 
2014-01-19 03:08:35 PM

BalugaJoe: Will no one stop Chris Christie?


Regular exercise.
 
2014-01-19 03:10:39 PM
A man's home is his castle until it's a Walmart. Land of the free to expropriate. fark, yeah.
 
2014-01-19 03:11:38 PM
Thanks, Stevens, joined by Kennedy, Souter, Ginsburg, Breyer
 
2014-01-19 03:14:54 PM

drjekel_mrhyde: I'm sorry, but I don't give one shiat that he was a WWII vet.


I've noticed that whenever an article writer is trying to get us to sympathize with a party if they are a veteran it is prominently mentioned, if that person is the perceived bad guy the veteran part is left out unless dishonorably discharged.  Nothing against vets, just saying it's used as a tool to sway opinion and as a default positive character reference when it really doesn't say much without context.
 
2014-01-19 03:15:17 PM

drjekel_mrhyde: I'm sorry, but I don't give one shiat that he was a WWII vet.
/I do wish that he wins


Were you betting on the Germans or something?
 
2014-01-19 03:16:53 PM

Jake Havechek: Small business owner = Job Creator

Where are you, Tea Party?  Where are you Gretchen Carlson?


Nah, no help from the Tea Party on this one. To them a "small business owner" is a large multinational corporation who on the advice of their accountant department has created a smaller subsidary of itself in order to be able to reap the tax benefits.
 
2014-01-19 03:22:37 PM

Notabunny: fta "The repairs that are required due to the flooding ... do not appear to me to be substantial improvements as defined in the Building Code," reads one village-commissioned report.
But the village has variously argued that the damage was so vast that an onerous approval process was needed to rebuild or that the plans submitted by the Whitneys were incomplete.

This is easily solved. Hire an architect or an engineer to survey the property and submit a report. Ta-da.


Um, they already did.  That report is the one that you quoted.  They don't care if it actually needs to be condemned, they just want the guys property.

Darth_Lukecash: I was told that conservative business people hated government interference. You know, small government should let markets decide.


This troll is relevant to the story how exactly? It was the liberal wing of the Supreme Court that allowed these kinds of takings.  There's also nothing "small government" or "free market" about a town deciding to force a business owner to sell his property.  Other than that, great post, and a really helpful contribution.
 
2014-01-19 03:24:14 PM
Why does it matter he's a WWII vet?

Oh, right. The appeal to emotion.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2014-01-19 03:24:45 PM

cuzsis: drjekel_mrhyde: I'm sorry, but I don't give one shiat that he was a WWII vet.
/I do wish that he wins

Were you betting on the Germans or something?


I actually DO care he was a WWII vet.  My grandfather was a WWII vet and they gave away a heck of a lot to make sure we actually have a country.

That's one of DOZENS of good reasons to leave this guy alone.  Another is that eminent domain is not a process intended to give prime properties to corporate buddies.  But hopefully everyone here knows that.
 
2014-01-19 03:25:24 PM

AngryDragon: Darth_Lukecash: I was told that conservative business people hated government interference. You know, small government should let markets decide.

You know that Mayor Robert Cox III of Saltaire, the locality in question, is not only a Democrat and the son of a Democrat, but a 4 term incumbent, right?  I was told that Democrats protect the interests of the little people against corporate and government oppression.

Oops.




Did I say GOP? Did I say Democratic? No? There is a reason for that. I was targeting so called "small government" mentality that reigns in business. I did not mention party.

I was talking about the business people who wanted to develop on the Vets shop using their political connection. The fact the mayor is a democratic incumbent makes it a complete disgrace. I hope an opponent beats him. Weather republican or democrat.

So enjoy your imaginary victory at something a liberal did not say
 
2014-01-19 03:31:36 PM

Valiente: A man's home is his castle until it's a Walmart. Land of the free to expropriate. fark, yeah.



Or until a rich billionaire wants tax dollars to build a football stadium and parking lot.

www.freewoodpost.com
 
2014-01-19 03:32:00 PM

AngryDragon: Darth_Lukecash: I was told that conservative business people hated government interference. You know, small government should let markets decide.

You know that Mayor Robert Cox III of Saltaire, the locality in question, is not only a Democrat and the son of a Democrat, but a 4 term incumbent, right?  I was told that Democrats protect the interests of the little people against corporate and government oppression.

Oops.


Keeping telling yourself "they may be white millionaires, but they're my white millionaires (yes, even the non-white ones!)" It's the sort of thinking that keeps the skids greased.
 
2014-01-19 03:33:22 PM

Weatherkiss: Why does it matter he's a WWII vet?

Oh, right. The appeal to emotion.




WWII was the last war the US had to win. Loosing, like in Iraq or Afghanistan, was not an option.
 
2014-01-19 03:34:18 PM
Eminent domain can be a good thing or a very bad thing.

Eminent domain is the reason why we have highways and railroads. Eminent domain is also the hammer that really rich people use to screw over poor people who don't want sell their land.
 
2014-01-19 03:36:25 PM
Eminent Domain is one of the worst laws on the books today. My town of ~30K people pulled this crap to revamp the downtown area.

Before:
Several small, old, outdated but popular businesses that people actually patronized.

After:
Hundreds of half-filled condo buildings with empty retail space below them, 8 years running.  They signed a deal with the developer that gave them no control over pricing, and the developer has out-priced any form of mom and pop business being sustainable. There isn't enough traffic to lure big chains either.


Just because something "could" be more financially beneficial to a town does not mean that it will be.
 
2014-01-19 03:37:07 PM
With only a little research, I've discovered the root cause: this family owned business actually produced a profit. In america, profits are only meant for corporations, not these "families" and "communities" everyone is always harping about. It takes board members and trustees who will send our dollars away from these places to keep our economy afloat, none of this "social responsibility" crap. Why should one family reap the benefits of a successful business when several thousand corporate goons could use that cash to be job creators in a third world country while simultaneously boosting stock value by nearly one-twentieth of a point!? Won't someone think of the economy!?!
 
2014-01-19 03:37:40 PM

buzzcut73: Thanks, Stevens, joined by Kennedy, Souter, Ginsburg, Breyer


I'd be interested to see how the debate on this evolved in chambers. The alignment seems entirely political rather than from the facts. If Kennedy Souter etc had opposed the plan, I wouldn't have been surprised to see the Lying Scum support it. Republicanism has, since the 80s, become completely a matter of opposing Democrats. Why? Because you can't raise money from dumbos based on agreement.

Obama's policies have been 99% recycled Republican ideas. Yet, to hear the screams, he's a Muslim communist friend of Wall Street,
 
2014-01-19 03:38:25 PM

BalugaJoe: Will no one stop Chris Christie?


why can't they just build in Hoboken?
 
2014-01-19 03:39:43 PM

iheartscotch: Eminent domain can be a good thing or a very bad thing.

Eminent domain is the reason why we have highways and railroads. Eminent domain is also the hammer that really rich people use to screw over poor people who don't want sell their land.


Thanks to the New London ruling. Of course what happened to that property after the success for the developers? NOTHING! The people who were forced to accept "market value" and thrown out for what was supposed to be higher tax paying private developers, get to see empty lots now because Pfizer never built there.

http://www.propertyrightsalliance.org/life-kelo-v-city-new-london-a2 92 1
 
2014-01-19 03:40:30 PM
I'm still trying to figure out the Tea Party references. Are they supposed to storm the town hall and take shiat over?
 
2014-01-19 03:43:35 PM

TedCruz'sCrazyDad: Weatherkiss: Why does it matter he's a WWII vet?

Oh, right. The appeal to emotion.

WWII was the last war the US had to win. Loosing, like in Iraq or Afghanistan, was not an option.


Tightness isn't everything.
 
2014-01-19 03:44:22 PM

LordJiro: AngryDragon: Darth_Lukecash: I was told that conservative business people hated government interference. You know, small government should let markets decide.

You know that Mayor Robert Cox III of Saltaire, the locality in question, is not only a Democrat and the son of a Democrat, but a 4 term incumbent, right?  I was told that Democrats protect the interests of the little people against corporate and government oppression.

Oops.

You know that he didn't say "Republican"? "Democrat" and "conservative" are not mutually exclusive.


Nice way to try to dodge the point.  Under almost no circumstance does someone not equate Conservative with Republican.  You can throw out as many dance numbers as you want; fact of the matter is, there's corruption on both sides of the aisle.  It just so happens that this time it's on the Left.
 
2014-01-19 03:46:42 PM

Fade2black: Under almost no circumstance does someone not equate Conservative with Republican.


You've never been to Kentucky?
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2014-01-19 03:47:59 PM

Fade2black: You know that he didn't say "Republican"? "Democrat" and "conservative" are not mutually exclusive.

Nice way to try to dodge the point. Under almost no circumstance does someone not equate Conservative with Republican. You can throw out as many dance numbers as you want; fact of the matter is, there's corruption on both sides of the aisle. It just so happens that this time it's on the Left.


It's funny... there is usually very little crying on the "right" when the property is going to one of their corporate buddies.  You also seems to purposefully forget that there are a lot of dirty hippies like me that are upset that Obama has been such a corporatist in his administration.

This is about the other axis, corporatism vs. non-corporatism, and we've got maybe 2 or 3 people TOPS in the two houses of congress that aren't corporatists.
 
2014-01-19 03:50:06 PM

Valiente: A man's home is his castle until it's a Walmart. Land of the free to expropriate. fark, yeah.


Everybody rents from the government or a bank.  Everybody.  I mean, who isn't a fat as a pig corporation.  They get paid to own sh*t.
 
2014-01-19 03:50:25 PM

LordJiro: AngryDragon: Darth_Lukecash: I was told that conservative business people hated government interference. You know, small government should let markets decide.

You know that Mayor Robert Cox III of Saltaire, the locality in question, is not only a Democrat and the son of a Democrat, but a 4 term incumbent, right?  I was told that Democrats protect the interests of the little people against corporate and government oppression.

Oops.

You know that he didn't say "Republican"? "Democrat" and "conservative" are not mutually exclusive.


As Barry O clearly demonstrates
 
2014-01-19 03:51:44 PM
Just kidding, they hit him with Eminent Domain

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It's a put-on....
 
2014-01-19 03:53:55 PM
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    And until that changes, we're f*cked.  So, to summarize, we're f*cked.
 
2014-01-19 03:55:48 PM

DarkSoulNoHope: iheartscotch: Eminent domain can be a good thing or a very bad thing.

Eminent domain is the reason why we have highways and railroads. Eminent domain is also the hammer that really rich people use to screw over poor people who don't want sell their land.

Thanks to the New London ruling. Of course what happened to that property after the success for the developers? NOTHING! The people who were forced to accept "market value" and thrown out for what was supposed to be higher tax paying private developers, get to see empty lots now because Pfizer never built there.

http://www.propertyrightsalliance.org/life-kelo-v-city-new-london-a2 92 1


That's actually not surprising. This whole Republican vs Democrat thing is a farce.

The Roman poet Juvenal wrote of a concept called panem et circenses or bread and games. He felt that the Roman citizenry had given up their power to influence their country for the promise of crusty bread and gladiatorial games.

I feel that we've given up our power to influence our country for McDonalds and 24 hour news.

We need to stop making a false choice between dems and rep; between freedom and security and elect some people who actually care what happens to the little guy.
 
2014-01-19 03:57:04 PM

Notabunny: fta "The repairs that are required due to the flooding ... do not appear to me to be substantial improvements as defined in the Building Code," reads one village-commissioned report.
But the village has variously argued that the damage was so vast that an onerous approval process was needed to rebuild or that the plans submitted by the Whitneys were incomplete.

This is easily solved. Hire an architect or an engineer to survey the property and submit a report. Ta-da.


The paragraph above the one you quoted mentioned that.
"Whitney's son, Scott, said four engineering reports, including two commissioned by the village, found the damage from Sandy was not substantial.  "
 
2014-01-19 03:58:08 PM

iheartscotch: That's actually not surprising. This whole Republican vs Democrat thing is a farce.


3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-01-19 04:02:26 PM

buzzcut73: Thanks, Stevens, joined by Kennedy, Souter, Ginsburg, Breyer


So much THIS -

For those curious

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelo_v._City_of_New_London
 
2014-01-19 04:07:38 PM

JohnCarter: buzzcut73: Thanks, Stevens, joined by Kennedy, Souter, Ginsburg, Breyer

So much THIS -

For those curious

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelo_v._City_of_New_London


So, about that "wealth redistribution" sneer wealthy keep trotting when replying to accusations of vomit inducing avarice.  I guess it's only "communism" when the wealth is redistributed downchain, eh Gipper?
 
2014-01-19 04:12:28 PM

Darth_Lukecash: I was talking about the business people who wanted to develop on the Vets shop using their political connection.


Yes, you were.  And we had actual "small government" that lacked the power to take property from one person and give it to another based on political connections, we wouldn't have that problem.  Trying to blame this on 'conservatives' or 'markets' is moronic.  Using government to force a sale to a private party is pretty much the exact opposite of a 'market' force.
 
2014-01-19 04:30:57 PM

Weatherkiss: Why does it matter he's a WWII vet?

Oh, right. The appeal to emotion.



This ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

But I do hope he gets to keep his 'store'.
 
2014-01-19 04:38:04 PM

yakmans_dad: buzzcut73: Thanks, Stevens, joined by Kennedy, Souter, Ginsburg, Breyer

I'd be interested to see how the debate on this evolved in chambers. The alignment seems entirely political rather than from the facts. If Kennedy Souter etc had opposed the plan, I wouldn't have been surprised to see the Lying Scum support it. Republicanism has, since the 80s, become completely a matter of opposing Democrats. Why? Because you can't raise money from dumbos based on agreement.

Obama's policies have been 99% recycled Republican ideas. Yet, to hear the screams, he's a Muslim communist friend of Wall Street,


An interesting thing about the Kelo decision (in my non legal scholar eyes) is future cases might hinge on whether the project succeeded. The language of the ruling indicates that if the city is able to generate the increased tax revenue from using ED, then the ruling will stand. However, it also seemed that the court provided some wiggle room. If the city in Kelo wasn't able to generate the increased tax money, then the court would revisit whether they were right to rule in favor of the city in the first place.

Given that the city is still millions of dollars in the hole because of this project, and has yes to receive a single penny in tax revenue, I think a case like this might prompt the more conservative court to overturn their Kelo decision and declare ED seizures like this unconstitutional.
 
2014-01-19 04:38:53 PM

Weatherkiss: Why does it matter he's a WWII vet?

Oh, right. The appeal to emotion.


Because we fought wars like that to preserve our freedoms, like the right to own property without the threat of government seizure.

what's the point of fighting a war with Germany to prevent them from seizing your property when America will just do it anyways
 
2014-01-19 04:43:31 PM

LordJiro: AngryDragon: Darth_Lukecash: I was told that conservative business people hated government interference. You know, small government should let markets decide.

You know that Mayor Robert Cox III of Saltaire, the locality in question, is not only a Democrat and the son of a Democrat, but a 4 term incumbent, right?  I was told that Democrats protect the interests of the little people against corporate and government oppression.

Oops.

You know that he didn't say "Republican"? "Democrat" and "conservative" are not mutually exclusive.


Hahahaha. Democrats are conservatives now.
 
2014-01-19 04:43:44 PM

SlothB77: Weatherkiss: Why does it matter he's a WWII vet?

Oh, right. The appeal to emotion.

Because we fought wars like that to preserve our freedoms, like the right to own property without the threat of government seizure.

what's the point of fighting a war with Germany to prevent them from seizing your property when America will just do it anyways


kindreda.edublogs.org
 
2014-01-19 04:46:29 PM

SlothB77: LordJiro: AngryDragon: Darth_Lukecash: I was told that conservative business people hated government interference. You know, small government should let markets decide.

You know that Mayor Robert Cox III of Saltaire, the locality in question, is not only a Democrat and the son of a Democrat, but a 4 term incumbent, right?  I was told that Democrats protect the interests of the little people against corporate and government oppression.

Oops.

You know that he didn't say "Republican"? "Democrat" and "conservative" are not mutually exclusive.

Hahahaha. Democrats are conservatives now.


I feel justified in pointing out that many congress critters have switched sides, repeatedly, because of the whole political expediency thing.
 
2014-01-19 04:50:23 PM

Weatherkiss: SlothB77: Weatherkiss: Why does it matter he's a WWII vet?

Oh, right. The appeal to emotion.

Because we fought wars like that to preserve our freedoms, like the right to own property without the threat of government seizure.

what's the point of fighting a war with Germany to prevent them from seizing your property when America will just do it anyways


Hey now! Manifest Destiny doesn't count! We legitimately traded our lead projectiles to the noble Native Americans for their land. And, we totally didn't break our word at the first opportunity. And, we totally didn't give them small pox ridden blankets.
 
2014-01-19 04:51:25 PM

Talondel: Darth_Lukecash: I was talking about the business people who wanted to develop on the Vets shop using their political connection.

Yes, you were.  And we had actual "small government" that lacked the power to take property from one person and give it to another based on political connections, we wouldn't have that problem.  Trying to blame this on 'conservatives' or 'markets' is moronic.  Using government to force a sale to a private party is pretty much the exact opposite of a 'market' force.




First: small government isn't the physical size, but the power it holds. A dictatorship is really a small big government. This small town council held much power.

Second: conservatives tend to want no government. And allow market to decide.

Third: a majority of business people are conservative. Not all, but many.

Fourth: in this case, business People are using government for there own ends.

I was told that conservatives would naturally shun such practice. According to the invisible hand and other such nonsense.
 
2014-01-19 04:54:03 PM
There are good and valid reasons for eminent domain laws.  Lakes and highways, in particular.  Texas has one natural lake (and it ran dry some time back, until they came in and built a damn.)  Without eminent domain, they couldn't have built the lakes, and without the lakes, Texas as we know it today couldn't exist.

Highways, everywhere, would be difficult or impossible without imminent domain.

But it's so often abused, as we're seeing here.  And I notice someone posted a pic above of Jerry World, which is a great example of stealing peoples land so some rich folks can make more money.
 
2014-01-19 04:56:42 PM

Weatherkiss:

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That stagecoach driver is getting a hell of an up skirt shot
 
2014-01-19 04:58:25 PM
yakmans_dad: buzzcut73: Thanks, Stevens, joined by Kennedy, Souter, Ginsburg, Breyer

I'd be interested to see how the debate on this evolved in chambers. The alignment seems entirely political rather than from the facts. If Kennedy Souter etc had opposed the plan, I wouldn't have been surprised to see the Lying Scum support it. Republicanism has, since the 80s, become completely a matter of opposing Democrats. Why? Because you can't raise money from dumbos based on agreement.


You should win a prize for this ^.

Read it again and tell the class you were joking.
 
2014-01-19 05:00:14 PM

Darth_Lukecash: AngryDragon: Darth_Lukecash: I was told that conservative business people hated government interference. You know, small government should let markets decide.

You know that Mayor Robert Cox III of Saltaire, the locality in question, is not only a Democrat and the son of a Democrat, but a 4 term incumbent, right?  I was told that Democrats protect the interests of the little people against corporate and government oppression.

Oops.

Did I say GOP? Did I say Democratic? No? There is a reason for that. I was targeting so called "small government" mentality that reigns in business. I did not mention party.

I was talking about the business people who wanted to develop on the Vets shop using their political connection. The fact the mayor is a democratic incumbent makes it a complete disgrace. I hope an opponent beats him. Weather republican or democrat.

So enjoy your imaginary victory at something a liberal did not say


You don't even see the irony of deriding "conservatives" for their "small government" free-market mentality when this is CLEARLY a big government collusion with corporate interests to impose on a private citizen?  Oh, and he just happens to be a "liberal Democrat"?

Denial much?
 
2014-01-19 05:06:57 PM
berylman: drjekel_mrhyde: I'm sorry, but I don't give one shiat that he was a WWII vet.

I've noticed that whenever an article writer is trying to get us to sympathize with a party if they are a veteran it is prominently mentioned, if that person is the perceived bad guy the veteran part is left out unless dishonorably discharged.  Nothing against vets, just saying it's used as a tool to sway opinion and as a default positive character reference when it really doesn't say much without context.

see also: "mom"
 
2014-01-19 05:16:54 PM

AngryDragon: Darth_Lukecash: AngryDragon: Darth_Lukecash: I was told that conservative business people hated government interference. You know, small government should let markets decide.

You know that Mayor Robert Cox III of Saltaire, the locality in question, is not only a Democrat and the son of a Democrat, but a 4 term incumbent, right?  I was told that Democrats protect the interests of the little people against corporate and government oppression.

Oops.

Did I say GOP? Did I say Democratic? No? There is a reason for that. I was targeting so called "small government" mentality that reigns in business. I did not mention party.

I was talking about the business people who wanted to develop on the Vets shop using their political connection. The fact the mayor is a democratic incumbent makes it a complete disgrace. I hope an opponent beats him. Weather republican or democrat.

So enjoy your imaginary victory at something a liberal did not say

You don't even see the irony of deriding "conservatives" for their "small government" free-market mentality when this is CLEARLY a big government collusion with corporate interests to impose on a private citizen?  Oh, and he just happens to be a "liberal Democrat"?

Denial much?




You seem to believe that there is no irony in a business using big government tactics when it suits them... Even working with a democratic mayor.

I've been told countless number of times that no business would ever abuse the taxpayers in this way. After all, the marketplace holds no love for those who take an unfair advantage.

It's clear we both are disgusted with the actions taken. I have renounced that mayor as political scum. Will you renounce the businesses that hide behind the conservative ideology skirts?
 
2014-01-19 05:19:14 PM

Darth_Lukecash: I was told that conservative business people hated government interference. You know, small government should let markets decide.


Lol.  That should get some bites.
 
2014-01-19 05:23:13 PM
Without even seeing the map, I predict the site of the Village Hall is much better suited than this guy's store, and so long as the politicians are selling out, they should be seen to do so.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-01-19 05:25:51 PM

DarkSoulNoHope: iheartscotch: Eminent domain can be a good thing or a very bad thing.

Eminent domain is the reason why we have highways and railroads. Eminent domain is also the hammer that really rich people use to screw over poor people who don't want sell their land.

Thanks to the New London ruling. Of course what happened to that property after the success for the developers? NOTHING! The people who were forced to accept "market value" and thrown out for what was supposed to be higher tax paying private developers, get to see empty lots now because Pfizer never built there.

http://www.propertyrightsalliance.org/life-kelo-v-city-new-london-a2 92 1


Haven't most states passed legislation rejecting or severely limiting the effects of Kelo?
 
2014-01-19 05:30:15 PM

Darth_Lukecash: You seem to believe that there is no irony in a business using big government tactics when it suits them... Even working with a democratic mayor.

I've been told countless number of times that no business would ever abuse the taxpayers in this way. After all, the marketplace holds no love for those who take an unfair advantage.

It's clear we both are disgusted with the actions taken. I have renounced that mayor as political scum. Will you renounce the businesses that hide behind the conservative ideology skirts?


I have no love whatsoever for the businesses that act as if they are above the law.  My point is that the people who are labeled as both conservatively and liberals are both corrupted and co-opted by the corporate person in this country.  As long as we continue to infight between ourselves under the auspices of political "teams" and not address this travesty head on we deserve what we get.

Any one who doesn't see that both sides are working against us is in a fantasy land.
 
2014-01-19 05:50:37 PM

AngryDragon: Darth_Lukecash: I was told that conservative business people hated government interference. You know, small government should let markets decide.

You know that Mayor Robert Cox III of Saltaire, the locality in question, is not only a Democrat and the son of a Democrat, but a 4 term incumbent, right?  I was told that Democrats protect the interests of the little people against corporate and government oppression.

Oops.


Nah, they are the slimiest crooks there are. And we have a Chicago-style one as president due to the fact that over 50% of our voting populace are brainwashed idiots.
 
2014-01-19 05:53:49 PM
Thanks a lot Supreme Court.
 
2014-01-19 06:05:52 PM
happydude45:

Nah, they are the slimiest crooks there are. And we have a Chicago-style one as president due to the fact that over 50% of our voting populace are brainwashed idiots.

You think that's bad?  Way more people than that think that it actually matters who, if anybody , is sitting in the oval office because we have representative governance.  At's a hoot, innit?
 
2014-01-19 06:06:21 PM
And life/civilization evolves on. Why does everyone hate evolution? If you want a place for generations to come, do it in the mountains, off the beaten trail. It'll be a while before the strip malls and developers start showing up.
 
2014-01-19 06:09:34 PM

Spare Me: Why does everyone hate evolution?


I'm not sure I do.  When does it start?  Because so far, "I want that!", *BONK*, "eat sh*t" seems pretty Neanderthal.
 
2014-01-19 06:10:11 PM

AngryDragon: Darth_Lukecash: You seem to believe that there is no irony in a business using big government tactics when it suits them... Even working with a democratic mayor.

I've been told countless number of times that no business would ever abuse the taxpayers in this way. After all, the marketplace holds no love for those who take an unfair advantage.

It's clear we both are disgusted with the actions taken. I have renounced that mayor as political scum. Will you renounce the businesses that hide behind the conservative ideology skirts?

I have no love whatsoever for the businesses that act as if they are above the law.  My point is that the people who are labeled as both conservatively and liberals are both corrupted and co-opted by the corporate person in this country.  As long as we continue to infight between ourselves under the auspices of political "teams" and not address this travesty head on we deserve what we get.

Any one who doesn't see that both sides are working against us is in a fantasy land.




I agree with you that corruption will dress itself in whatever political/philosophical it can to obtain its goal.

I do not agree that both sides are bad. One political viewpoint is very self destructive danger to the country.

I also believe that there is a pragmatic way of using the best ideas of both ideals.
 
2014-01-19 06:14:32 PM

Weatherkiss: SlothB77: Weatherkiss: Why does it matter he's a WWII vet?

Oh, right. The appeal to emotion.

Because we fought wars like that to preserve our freedoms, like the right to own property without the threat of government seizure.

what's the point of fighting a war with Germany to prevent them from seizing your property when America will just do it anyways

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My County Fap of Thee
 
2014-01-19 06:16:50 PM

Darth_Lukecash: I do not agree that both sides are bad. One political viewpoint is very self destructive danger to the country.


And whether or not that's true is largely inconsequential, because in a system where this is a vote

i.dailymail.co.uk
And this is governance

www.indybay.org

It doesn't matter if Mother Theresa is resurrected and runs for office.

We're stuck praying to the same dime store god, and the people with the most votes, win.
 
2014-01-19 06:32:27 PM

happydude45: And we have a Chicago-style one as president due to the fact that over 50% of our voting populace are brainwashed idiots.


Mitt Romney would not be doing a better job.
 
2014-01-19 06:38:14 PM

bunner: Darth_Lukecash: I do not agree that both sides are bad. One political viewpoint is very self destructive danger to the country.

And whether or not that's true is largely inconsequential, because in a system where this is a vote

[i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x264]
And this is governance

[www.indybay.org image 640x480]

It doesn't matter if Mother Theresa is resurrected and runs for office.

We're stuck praying to the same dime store god, and the people with the most votes, win.


And 2000 years ago it was this.

www.coinlink.com

And this...

romanmilitary.net

Your point?
 
2014-01-19 06:39:22 PM

Spare Me: bunner: Darth_Lukecash: I do not agree that both sides are bad. One political viewpoint is very self destructive danger to the country.

And whether or not that's true is largely inconsequential, because in a system where this is a vote

[i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x264]
And this is governance

[www.indybay.org image 640x480]

It doesn't matter if Mother Theresa is resurrected and runs for office.

We're stuck praying to the same dime store god, and the people with the most votes, win.

And 2000 years ago it was this.

[www.coinlink.com image 350x203]

And this...

[romanmilitary.net image 446x302]

Your point?


Recursive empires that implode out of greed and hubris are, so far, bound to do so.  Yours, sir?
 
2014-01-19 06:40:22 PM

ThrobblefootSpectre: happydude45: And we have a Chicago-style one as president due to the fact that over 50% of our voting populace are brainwashed idiots.

Mitt Romney would not be doing a better job.


media.tumblr.com
 
2014-01-19 06:40:41 PM

Darth_Lukecash: I was told that conservatives would naturally shun such practice. According to the invisible hand and other such nonsense.


No, that's either a moronic interpretation of the argument or a strong man.  The argument is that if government has the power to take property in order to redistribute wealth, that power will be used to take from those without political power, and give it to those who do.  That is what happened to Suzette Kelo.  That is what is happening here.

If we had an actual small government that lacked the power to confiscate property and give it to others, we would not have this problem.  Not because the 'conservative would naturally shun such practice.'  But rather because, if the government could not force the sale, the buyer would have to negotiate a price that the current owner is willing to sell for.  Believing in the 'invisible hand' or 'the market' is not about believing that people will suddenly stop acting in their own self interest.  Your entire argument seems to be based on this assumption.  I can't tell if you're actually so stupid that you don't understand what free market proponents believe, of if you're so dishonest that you don't mind warping their positions to attack them.

On top of that, you're making the assumption that this guy is 'conservative' just so you can turn this into a political debate, where there need not be one.  You have no idea what the guys political beliefs are, and even if you did they'd be irrelevant.  The only thing that enables him to pursue this guys property through eminent domain is the *liberal* belief that government should be able to confiscate what you own into order to give it to someone else.
 
2014-01-19 06:42:40 PM

Spare Me: Your point?


I almost forgot, recursive empires that implode out of greed and hubris are, so far, bound to do so and so far, we seem to have learned FA from this.
 
2014-01-19 06:45:44 PM

bunner: Recursive empires that implode out of greed and hubris are, so far, bound to do so. Yours, sir?


Nothing is going to change. It's how human civilizations work. All forms of Greed are part of our DNA, it's never going away. Sometimes it's good, most of the time it isn't.
 
2014-01-19 06:52:10 PM

Spare Me: All forms of Greed are part of our DNA


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Spare Me: Sometimes it's good


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2014-01-19 07:00:07 PM
Nothing does change because we have a load of fatalists who are pronouncing life on earth as a piss up a rope.  These people are essentially, lazy, IMHO.
 
2014-01-19 07:15:33 PM
Wait, so they're using eminent domain to seize a local guy's grocery store to replace it with.... a corporate owned grocery store. If you don't smell something fishy in that then I don't know what to say to you.

I don't think that the government using its power to encourage/discourage certain types of businesses or businesses in certain areas is necessarily particularly problematic. But putting one out of business so another of the same type in the exact same spot? Yeah, how about NO. That's an express train to corruption.
 
2014-01-19 07:15:41 PM

Spare Me: ThrobblefootSpectre: happydude45: And we have a Chicago-style one as president due to the fact that over 50% of our voting populace are brainwashed idiots.

Mitt Romney would not be doing a better job.

[media.tumblr.com image 300x300]



Stupid Things Mitt Says:
"It's not the language I would have used"
"I'm not concerned about the very poor, there is a safety net there"
"I like being able to fire people"
"I have some friends who are NASCAR team owners"
"Planned Parenthood, we're going to get rid of that"
 -
"Ann Drives a couple of Cadillacs"
"The answer is self-deportation, which is people decide they can do better by going home"
"Corporations are People"
 
2014-01-19 07:23:25 PM
FTFA: The state Department of State denied the request this month.

As opposed to the uhhh, ah hell, I don't know.
 
2014-01-19 07:26:11 PM

italie: Stupid Things Mitt Says:


"It's not the language I would have used"
"I'm not concerned about the very poor, there is a safety net there"
"I like being able to fire people"
"I have some friends who are NASCAR team owners"
"Planned Parenthood, we're going to get rid of that"
"Ann Drives a couple of Cadillacs"
"The answer is self-deportation, which is people decide they can do better by going home"
"Corporations are People"


"I'm some ivy league, daft, sheltered, pigsh*t rich c*nt and you should hire me to the be the figurehead of America."
 
2014-01-19 07:26:13 PM
Oh Mitt's about to get roasted for some of his soul crushing bain capital deplorable business acts, so you can just cease with your ass kissery of him ever. He was never going to be your savior, and he is rather a terrible person.
 
2014-01-19 07:35:33 PM

Nacc: Oh Mitt's about to get roasted for some of his soul crushing bain capital deplorable business acts, so you can just cease with your ass kissery of him ever. He was never going to be your savior, and he is rather a terrible person.


But how can we expect the ostentatiously avaricious to let the wealth begin to trickle down if we don't kiss their asses?11!1!!!


                                                                    * S N O  R T *
 
2014-01-19 07:57:35 PM

bunner: iheartscotch: That's actually not surprising. This whole Republican vs Democrat thing is a farce.

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Interesting you chose a football metaphor because that's exactly what it is. We 'mercuns love our sports, our "us vs them" frame of mind. The R and D thing is exactly like the NFL. The only winners are the owners.
 
2014-01-19 08:07:14 PM
I think we all knew instinctively that aside from public works, eminent domain is a hotbed of corruption.
 
2014-01-19 08:16:38 PM

yakmans_dad: buzzcut73: Thanks, Stevens, joined by Kennedy, Souter, Ginsburg, Breyer

I'd be interested to see how the debate on this evolved in chambers. The alignment seems entirely political rather than from the facts. If Kennedy Souter etc had opposed the plan, I wouldn't have been surprised to see the Lying Scum support it. Republicanism has, since the 80s, become completely a matter of opposing Democrats. Why? Because you can't raise money from dumbos based on agreement.

Obama's policies have been 99% recycled Republican ideas. Yet, to hear the screams, he's a Muslim communist friend of Wall Street,


It's such an interesting case. It empowered the legislature, which is the "typical" position of the right wing judges. It also didn't change any legal precedent and continued the status quo.
 
2014-01-19 08:20:02 PM

Nick Nostril: bunner: iheartscotch: That's actually not surprising. This whole Republican vs Democrat thing is a farce.

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 500x419]

Interesting you chose a football metaphor because that's exactly what it is. We 'mercuns love our sports, our "us vs them" frame of mind. The R and D thing is exactly like the NFL. The only winners are the owners.


Yup.
 
2014-01-19 08:25:05 PM

AngryDragon: Darth_Lukecash: AngryDragon: Darth_Lukecash: I was told that conservative business people hated government interference. You know, small government should let markets decide.

You know that Mayor Robert Cox III of Saltaire, the locality in question, is not only a Democrat and the son of a Democrat, but a 4 term incumbent, right?  I was told that Democrats protect the interests of the little people against corporate and government oppression.

Oops.

Did I say GOP? Did I say Democratic? No? There is a reason for that. I was targeting so called "small government" mentality that reigns in business. I did not mention party.

I was talking about the business people who wanted to develop on the Vets shop using their political connection. The fact the mayor is a democratic incumbent makes it a complete disgrace. I hope an opponent beats him. Weather republican or democrat.

So enjoy your imaginary victory at something a liberal did not say

You don't even see the irony of deriding "conservatives" for their "small government" free-market mentality when this is CLEARLY a big government collusion with corporate interests to impose on a private citizen?  Oh, and he just happens to be a "liberal Democrat"?

Denial much?


If you think a mayor of a small, wealthy town in Long Island would be a "liberal" you need to travel more.

But seriously, you've never been to LI, right?
 
2014-01-19 08:29:52 PM

super_grass: I think we all knew instinctively that aside from public works, eminent domain is a hotbed of corruption.


The idea of eminent domain is very American. NOTHING has value other than its intrinsic value. That is an absolutely American idea and also brilliant. Your touchy feely memories have no value. Your land is only worth what it is worth. There has never been a more American idea and it allows for growth. I'd go as far as arguing that opposition to eminent domain is almost as un-American as opposition to capitalism or the pursuit of justice.
 
2014-01-19 08:31:22 PM

Moopy Mac: Your touchy feely memories have no value.


Oh, I dunno.  They probably are as valuable as any given ostensibly high minded postulation.
 
2014-01-19 08:34:42 PM

bunner: Moopy Mac: Your touchy feely memories have no value.

Oh, I dunno.  They probably are as valuable as any given ostensibly high minded postulation.


Well, the law and the constitution say otherwise.
 
2014-01-19 08:36:27 PM

Moopy Mac: bunner: Moopy Mac: Your touchy feely memories have no value.

Oh, I dunno.  They probably are as valuable as any given ostensibly high minded postulation.

Well, the law and the constitution say otherwise.


And that is working out so well for anybody who isn't an insulated prig or poor.  USA!
 
2014-01-19 08:39:24 PM

bunner: Moopy Mac: bunner: Moopy Mac: Your touchy feely memories have no value.

Oh, I dunno.  They probably are as valuable as any given ostensibly high minded postulation.

Well, the law and the constitution say otherwise.

And that is working out so well for anybody who isn't an insulated prig or poor.  USA!


That's not true at all. I'd love examples of poor people getting less than what their property is worth in connection with eminent domain actions. Typically (see: every stadium built recently) they can get more with a little bit of patience and an attorney on contingency.
 
2014-01-19 08:39:24 PM
Oddly, none of that is actually in the constitution.  Malleable constructs are often subverted.  See free market capitalism.
 
2014-01-19 08:40:46 PM
Moopy Mac: 

That's not true at all.

Then we're done here.  Carry on.
 
2014-01-19 08:40:57 PM

bunner: Oddly, none of that is actually in the constitution.  Malleable constructs are often subverted.  See free market capitalism.


It's almost as if the term "public use" has been a point of discussion for 70+ years.
 
2014-01-19 08:42:35 PM

Moopy Mac: bunner: Oddly, none of that is actually in the constitution.  Malleable constructs are often subverted.  See free market capitalism.

It's almost as if the term "public use" has been a point of discussion for 70+ years.


I've seen this movie.  Make your next "harrumph, dear boy" appeal to the masses blistering, because I don't give a polly wolly f*ck, frankly.
 
2014-01-19 08:42:43 PM

bunner: Moopy Mac: 

That's not true at all.

Then we're done here.  Carry on.


Examples of poor people being screwed by eminent domain are sure to follow. Right?
 
2014-01-19 08:43:46 PM

bunner: Moopy Mac: bunner: Oddly, none of that is actually in the constitution.  Malleable constructs are often subverted.  See free market capitalism.

It's almost as if the term "public use" has been a point of discussion for 70+ years.

I've seen this movie.  Make your next "harrumph, dear boy" appeal to the masses blistering, because I don't give a polly wolly f*ck, frankly.


Are you arguing that Eminent Domain is not explicitly allowed in the Constitution of the USA?
 
2014-01-19 08:44:18 PM

Moopy Mac: yakmans_dad: buzzcut73: Thanks, Stevens, joined by Kennedy, Souter, Ginsburg, Breyer

I'd be interested to see how the debate on this evolved in chambers. The alignment seems entirely political rather than from the facts. If Kennedy Souter etc had opposed the plan, I wouldn't have been surprised to see the Lying Scum support it. Republicanism has, since the 80s, become completely a matter of opposing Democrats. Why? Because you can't raise money from dumbos based on agreement.

Obama's policies have been 99% recycled Republican ideas. Yet, to hear the screams, he's a Muslim communist friend of Wall Street,

It's such an interesting case. It empowered the legislature, which is the "typical" position of the right wing judges. It also didn't change any legal precedent and continued the status quo.


The screams of outrage from the right wing were so poignant since the result was the one they wanted.
 
2014-01-19 08:44:43 PM
Moopy Mac: 

Examples of poor people being screwed by eminent domain are sure to follow. Right?

No, simply extant to the point of prolix and clichè.  But, I mean, poor people make sh*t up.  No doughnut.  You get one more, then I bin you.
 
2014-01-19 08:50:19 PM

bunner: Moopy Mac: 

Examples of poor people being screwed by eminent domain are sure to follow. Right?

No, simply extant to the point of prolix and clichè.  But, I mean, poor people make sh*t up.  No doughnut.  You get one more, then I bin you.


You state that X is true. Then you are unwilling/unable to prove that X is true with a single example. I'm not the one arguing in the ether.

I have no doubt that eminent domain could be exploited by those with access, but the "just compensation" clause is enshrined in the Constitution for a reason. Nostalgia has no value, that is an ideal so paramount to this country it is part of the 5th Amendment.
 
2014-01-19 08:52:24 PM

Moopy Mac: I have no doubt that eminent domain could be exploited by those with access, but the "just compensation" clause is enshrined in the Constitution


A lot of things are.  See Patriot Act.  Bye.  *click*
 
2014-01-19 08:53:58 PM
Btw, your country doesn't exist.  Neither does your party.  Vote early and vote often.
 
2014-01-19 09:00:41 PM

bunner: Btw, your country doesn't exist.  Neither does your party.  Vote early and vote often.


This just doesn't make any sense.

You just type things. There is no real argument behind your posts. You obviously have not read any materials on the this subject and you are unable (I'd say unwilling, but your acute laziness is evident) to even provide the barest amount of evidence to support anything you post. Shallow and no substance. Were you on an English debate team by any chance?
 
2014-01-19 09:01:29 PM

bunner: Btw, your country doesn't exist.  Neither does your party.  Vote early and vote often.


And are you saying I'm a Republican? Do you have a goatee? Are you doughy? Be honest.
 
2014-01-19 09:05:45 PM

Moopy Mac: This just doesn't make any sense.You just type things. There is no real argument behind your posts. You obviously have not read any materials on the this subject and you are unable (I'd say unwilling, but your acute laziness is evident) to even provide the barest amount of evidence to support anything you post. Shallow and no substance. Were you on an English debate team by any chance?


You're a jive assed troll of the sniffy variety and your whole catalog has been done better.  And the nitwits that you think are reading every word you type with relish and sneer, biting their lips and cheering you on are no more existent than the constitutionally robust America that you think you're carrying water for.  I don't piss away a lot of time with people with pedants whose view of the world and it's history are sculpted out of dime store jingoism.  Don't take it personally.  Hope you got off on your last tug on the line.   :  )
 
2014-01-19 09:26:44 PM

Moopy Mac: You just type things. There is no real argument behind your posts.


I often disagree with Bunner, quite often.  But I enjoy his/her posts.  Style in prose.  There's so many low intelligence meme bots here of all political stripes.  Bunner's a refreshing change from "Nuh uh, your party is bad!", "but but fundie skywizard is ebil!"   type posts.
 
2014-01-19 09:27:44 PM

bunner: iheartscotch: That's actually not surprising. This whole Republican vs Democrat thing is a farce.


This sort of reference always cracks me up. My oldest friend and I were both political science majors (this was 20+ years ago I'm just establishing my bonafides regarding interest in and knowledge of politics/government) and were and are rabid football fans. That so many presume the two to be mutually exclusive is a source of never ending befuddlement to me.

////Rooting for the Denver ManningBroncos
 
2014-01-19 09:31:11 PM
By the way, for those who actually use this forum as the admins pretend hey want it to, this is how trolls work.

It's called an authority posture.

And it's just as pathetic as it looks. Be the guy in the back.

i.imgur.com
Put this on your fridge.
 
2014-01-19 10:21:26 PM

soporific: yakmans_dad: buzzcut73: Thanks, Stevens, joined by Kennedy, Souter, Ginsburg, Breyer

I'd be interested to see how the debate on this evolved in chambers. The alignment seems entirely political rather than from the facts. If Kennedy Souter etc had opposed the plan, I wouldn't have been surprised to see the Lying Scum support it. Republicanism has, since the 80s, become completely a matter of opposing Democrats. Why? Because you can't raise money from dumbos based on agreement.

Obama's policies have been 99% recycled Republican ideas. Yet, to hear the screams, he's a Muslim communist friend of Wall Street,

An interesting thing about the Kelo decision (in my non legal scholar eyes) is future cases might hinge on whether the project succeeded. The language of the ruling indicates that if the city is able to generate the increased tax revenue from using ED, then the ruling will stand. However, it also seemed that the court provided some wiggle room. If the city in Kelo wasn't able to generate the increased tax money, then the court would revisit whether they were right to rule in favor of the city in the first place.

Given that the city is still millions of dollars in the hole because of this project, and has yes to receive a single penny in tax revenue, I think a case like this might prompt the more conservative court to overturn their Kelo decision and declare ED seizures like this unconstitutional.


It somewhat gladdens me to say that at this point it's not as critically needed, though there's still a need to overturn that awful dog turd of a decision.  The reason is that after the Kelo decision a huge number of states passed their own laws to stop it from happening.  Depending on how you view it there's anywhere from 30 to 44 states that prohibit these kinds of transfers, the only questionable part on some being apparent loopholes.  Still, the majority of states have said "uh, no," to this, so some protection exists.  Obviously, New York isn't one of those states.

It would be interesting to see SCOTUS go back on their decision all the same.  I really think it was an awful decision that never should have been made, but at least its been counteracted a bit.  Unlike Citizens United.
 
2014-01-19 10:44:50 PM

Weatherkiss: Why does it matter he's a WWII vet?

Oh, right. The appeal to emotion.


Or militarism. Whichever.
 
2014-01-19 10:59:39 PM
As someone who worked there one summer, I'm getting a kick out of these replies.
 
2014-01-19 11:26:38 PM

BalugaJoe: Will no one stop Chris Christie?


Chris Christie once imposed a tax on anyone whose last name did not contain their first name.  Fact!
 
2014-01-19 11:51:33 PM

ThrobblefootSpectre: Moopy Mac: You just type things. There is no real argument behind your posts.

I often disagree with Bunner, quite often.  But I enjoy his/her posts.  Style in prose.  There's so many low intelligence meme bots here of all political stripes.  Bunner's a refreshing change from "Nuh uh, your party is bad!", "but but fundie skywizard is ebil!"   type posts.


Uh, thanks.  I simply view thinking for yourself and trying not to be dull about it to be more enjoyable than seeing how many front porches you can sh*t on before you're called on your cheap behavior.  That is, after all - the "Z0mg this is FARK!1!1" brigade's endless trollfest notwithstanding, the point of discourse.  And this is a dandy little place for it when the ghetto installer crew is off playing GTA.  I just try and get people to let go of the rag their tugging on with a vise like grip and wonder if perhaps some of these "issues" aren't more symptomatic of a grater malady.
 
2014-01-19 11:57:18 PM

TedCruz'sCrazyDad: Valiente: A man's home is his castle until it's a Walmart. Land of the free to expropriate. fark, yeah.


Or until a rich billionaire wants tax dollars to build a football stadium and parking lot.


It looks like a trash can lid.
 
2014-01-19 11:58:37 PM
The use of Eminent Domain for private development needs to be outlawed. But wont be as long as we put up with it.
 
2014-01-20 12:01:21 AM

stuffy: The use of Eminent Domain for private development every sh*tty, questionable, cheap, slimy end around play that is the primary revenue bolt hole of corporatism needs to be outlawed. But wont be as long as we put up with it.


FIFM
 
2014-01-20 02:23:00 AM

bunner: Spare Me: All forms of Greed are part of our DNA

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Spare Me: Sometimes it's good

[citationneeded.jpg]


Here:

2.bp.blogspot.com

And here:

evolbiol.ru

for starters...
 
2014-01-20 03:05:39 AM

bunner: Be the guy in the back.
              Put this on your fridge.


You ain't the boss of me!!!

/you're awful demanding for someone I haven't disappointed with sex yet.
 
2014-01-20 03:15:15 AM

happydude45: Nah, they are the slimiest crooks there are. And we have a Chicago-style one as president due to the fact that over 50

 98% of our voting populace are brainwashed idiots.

FTFY
 
2014-01-20 03:38:16 AM

iheartscotch: DarkSoulNoHope: iheartscotch: Eminent domain can be a good thing or a very bad thing.

Eminent domain is the reason why we have highways and railroads. Eminent domain is also the hammer that really rich people use to screw over poor people who don't want sell their land.

Thanks to the New London ruling. Of course what happened to that property after the success for the developers? NOTHING! The people who were forced to accept "market value" and thrown out for what was supposed to be higher tax paying private developers, get to see empty lots now because Pfizer never built there.

http://www.propertyrightsalliance.org/life-kelo-v-city-new-london-a2 92 1

That's actually not surprising. This whole Republican vs Democrat thing is a farce.

The Roman poet Juvenal wrote of a concept called panem et circenses or bread and games. He felt that the Roman citizenry had given up their power to influence their country for the promise of crusty bread and gladiatorial games.

I feel that we've given up our power to influence our country for McDonalds and 24 hour news.

We need to stop making a false choice between dems and rep; between freedom and security and elect some people who actually care what happens to the little guy.


^this is why you are farkied as LOGIC and REASON.. you never let me down..
 
2014-01-20 04:02:27 AM

bunner: By the way, for those who actually use this forum as the admins pretend hey want it to, this is how trolls work.

It's called an authority posture.

And it's just as pathetic as it looks. Be the guy in the back.


Put this on your fridge.


Favorited^
 
2014-01-20 10:05:03 AM

Agent Smiths Laugh: bunner: Spare Me: All forms of Greed are part of our DNA

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Spare Me: Sometimes it's good

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for starters...


So, excuses are cool when science says we can't rise above them, but if can't learn from science we're teh l0ozorz?  That's convenient.  Richard Dawkins?  I mean, seriously?
 
2014-01-20 10:39:10 AM

Agent Smiths Laugh: bunner: Spare Me: All forms of Greed are part of our DNA

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Spare Me: Sometimes it's good

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[MST3K reaction to closeup in Eegah!]
 
2014-01-20 02:43:00 PM

bunner: Agent Smiths Laugh: bunner: Spare Me: All forms of Greed are part of our DNA

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Spare Me: Sometimes it's good

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Here:

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And here:

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for starters...

So, excuses are cool when science says we can't rise above them, but if can't learn from science we're teh l0ozorz?  That's convenient.  Richard Dawkins?  I mean, seriously?


Excuses? No. Recognizing the basic functions of human nature and how it explains why we so often fall short of rising above our animal instincts is the point.

And yes, Dawkins. You can't ignore the science just because you don't like the scientist.

Well you can, but that that just makes you ignorant.

What's the matter Bunner? What's your explanation for human selfishness?
 
2014-01-20 03:00:17 PM
Agent Smiths Laugh:. You can't ignore the science just because you don't like the scientist.

Well you can, but that that just makes you ignorant.

What's the matter Bunner? What's your explanation for human selfishness?


The need to big an insulting, smirking know it all on a forum board my passing of the postulations of others as your own dogma?
 
2014-01-20 03:05:16 PM
to be

ah kinnae type.
 
2014-01-20 03:10:59 PM
And frankly, a South African born white ethologist sweeping tattered bits of eugenics out from under the rug doesn't much impress me.  Not even if he's an Oxford educated, white, aging ethologist who staples ostentatious atheism to his work.  We' re selfish and greedy because we're largely scared little pussies who are worried that if we don't grab EVERYTHING, all the time, somebody else might gt some and we man need that, too.  Even though we know better.  Cause science has made it so there is enough to go around and ways to get it there.  Call me when Science™ can do more to dispel greed and stupidity than to make pissing-from-a-great-height pronouncements of harrumph.
 
2014-01-20 04:07:07 PM

bunner: Agent Smiths Laugh:. You can't ignore the science just because you don't like the scientist.

Well you can, but that that just makes you ignorant.

What's the matter Bunner? What's your explanation for human selfishness?

The need to big an insulting, smirking know it all on a forum board my passing of the postulations of others as your own dogma?


Right, so learning science is arrogant and insulting, is what you're saying.

Which religion taught you that?
 
2014-01-20 08:09:23 PM
Agent Smiths Laugh:


Right, so learning science is arrogant and insulting, is what you're saying.

evidencemag.com

        Huh?  Oh. not, that was me.

Which religion taught you that?

Oh, Prunella.  You got it bad.

I don't suppose if I said that I think you rude, pushy, snotty and just looking for a cliff to piss from and that that doesn't interest me, that you'd stop pestering me, now, would you?
 
2014-01-20 08:18:50 PM

Agent Smiths Laugh: Right, so learning science is arrogant and insulting, is what you're saying.


bunner: And frankly, a South African born white ethologist sweeping tattered bits of eugenics out from under the rug doesn't much impress me.  Not even if he's an Oxford educated, white, aging ethologist who staples ostentatious atheism to his work.  We' re selfish and greedy because we're largely scared little pussies who are worried that if we don't grab EVERYTHING, all the time, somebody else might get some and we man need that, too.   Even though we know better.  Cause science has made it so there is enough to go around and ways to get it there.

 Call me when Science™ can do more to dispel greed and stupidity than to make pissing-from-a-great-height pronouncements of harrumph.

Your cherry picker is broken.
 
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