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(NYPost)   While in the process of repairing damage from Hurricane Sandy, village board steps in to help a local WWII Vet and grocery store owner. Just kidding, they hit him with Eminent Domain so their buddies can build a new supermarket   (nypost.com) divider line 136
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2014-01-19 01:45:16 PM  
Subby, were you drunk when you wrote this headline?
 
2014-01-19 01:55:01 PM  
fta "The repairs that are required due to the flooding ... do not appear to me to be substantial improvements as defined in the Building Code," reads one village-commissioned report.
But the village has variously argued that the damage was so vast that an onerous approval process was needed to rebuild or that the plans submitted by the Whitneys were incomplete.


This is easily solved. Hire an architect or an engineer to survey the property and submit a report. Ta-da.
 
2014-01-19 01:59:56 PM  

JasonOfOrillia: Subby, were you drunk when you wrote this headline?


www.hrwiki.org
 
2014-01-19 02:17:31 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: JasonOfOrillia: Subby, were you drunk when you wrote this headline?

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And, of course, the headline was corrected.

It used to be "While in the process of repairing damage from Hurricane Sandy, village board steps in to help a local WWII Vet and grocery store owner. Just kidding, they hit him Eminent Domain so their buddy's can build a new supermarket"
 
2014-01-19 02:20:06 PM  

JasonOfOrillia: Adolf Oliver Nipples: JasonOfOrillia: Subby, were you drunk when you wrote this headline?

[www.hrwiki.org image 180x130]

And, of course, the headline was corrected.

It used to be "While in the process of repairing damage from Hurricane Sandy, village board steps in to help a local WWII Vet and grocery store owner. Just kidding, they hit him Eminent Domain so their buddy's can build a new supermarket"


Better than correcting it to read "They hit him with ED", because that would be a hell of a thing to do to the guy.
 
2014-01-19 02:24:24 PM  
I was told that conservative business people hated government interference. You know, small government should let markets decide.
 
2014-01-19 02:54:12 PM  

Notabunny: JasonOfOrillia: Adolf Oliver Nipples: JasonOfOrillia: Subby, were you drunk when you wrote this headline?

[www.hrwiki.org image 180x130]

And, of course, the headline was corrected.

It used to be "While in the process of repairing damage from Hurricane Sandy, village board steps in to help a local WWII Vet and grocery store owner. Just kidding, they hit him Eminent Domain so their buddy's can build a new supermarket"

Better than correcting it to read "They hit him with ED", because that would be a hell of a thing to do to the guy.


Eating Disorders? Ew.
 
2014-01-19 02:56:50 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: I was told that conservative business people hated government interference. You know, small government should let markets decide.


You know that Mayor Robert Cox III of Saltaire, the locality in question, is not only a Democrat and the son of a Democrat, but a 4 term incumbent, right?  I was told that Democrats protect the interests of the little people against corporate and government oppression.

Oops.
 
2014-01-19 02:59:48 PM  
Small business owner = Job Creator

Where are you, Tea Party?  Where are you Gretchen Carlson?
 
2014-01-19 03:01:09 PM  
Will no one stop Chris Christie?
 
2014-01-19 03:02:28 PM  

AngryDragon: Darth_Lukecash: I was told that conservative business people hated government interference. You know, small government should let markets decide.

You know that Mayor Robert Cox III of Saltaire, the locality in question, is not only a Democrat and the son of a Democrat, but a 4 term incumbent, right?  I was told that Democrats protect the interests of the little people against corporate and government oppression.

Oops.


You know that he didn't say "Republican"? "Democrat" and "conservative" are not mutually exclusive.
 
2014-01-19 03:02:52 PM  

AngryDragon: Darth_Lukecash: I was told that conservative business people hated government interference. You know, small government should let markets decide.

You know that Mayor Robert Cox III of Saltaire, the locality in question, is not only a Democrat and the son of a Democrat, but a 4 term incumbent, right?  I was told that Democrats protect the interests of the little people against corporate and government oppression.

Oops.

Guess Darth got pwnd, badly. What a maroon.

 
2014-01-19 03:03:15 PM  
I'm sorry, but I don't give one shiat that he was a WWII vet.
/I do wish that he wins
 
2014-01-19 03:08:35 PM  

BalugaJoe: Will no one stop Chris Christie?


Regular exercise.
 
2014-01-19 03:10:39 PM  
A man's home is his castle until it's a Walmart. Land of the free to expropriate. fark, yeah.
 
2014-01-19 03:11:38 PM  
Thanks, Stevens, joined by Kennedy, Souter, Ginsburg, Breyer
 
2014-01-19 03:14:54 PM  

drjekel_mrhyde: I'm sorry, but I don't give one shiat that he was a WWII vet.


I've noticed that whenever an article writer is trying to get us to sympathize with a party if they are a veteran it is prominently mentioned, if that person is the perceived bad guy the veteran part is left out unless dishonorably discharged.  Nothing against vets, just saying it's used as a tool to sway opinion and as a default positive character reference when it really doesn't say much without context.
 
2014-01-19 03:15:17 PM  

drjekel_mrhyde: I'm sorry, but I don't give one shiat that he was a WWII vet.
/I do wish that he wins


Were you betting on the Germans or something?
 
2014-01-19 03:16:53 PM  

Jake Havechek: Small business owner = Job Creator

Where are you, Tea Party?  Where are you Gretchen Carlson?


Nah, no help from the Tea Party on this one. To them a "small business owner" is a large multinational corporation who on the advice of their accountant department has created a smaller subsidary of itself in order to be able to reap the tax benefits.
 
2014-01-19 03:22:37 PM  

Notabunny: fta "The repairs that are required due to the flooding ... do not appear to me to be substantial improvements as defined in the Building Code," reads one village-commissioned report.
But the village has variously argued that the damage was so vast that an onerous approval process was needed to rebuild or that the plans submitted by the Whitneys were incomplete.

This is easily solved. Hire an architect or an engineer to survey the property and submit a report. Ta-da.


Um, they already did.  That report is the one that you quoted.  They don't care if it actually needs to be condemned, they just want the guys property.

Darth_Lukecash: I was told that conservative business people hated government interference. You know, small government should let markets decide.


This troll is relevant to the story how exactly? It was the liberal wing of the Supreme Court that allowed these kinds of takings.  There's also nothing "small government" or "free market" about a town deciding to force a business owner to sell his property.  Other than that, great post, and a really helpful contribution.
 
2014-01-19 03:24:14 PM  
Why does it matter he's a WWII vet?

Oh, right. The appeal to emotion.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2014-01-19 03:24:45 PM  

cuzsis: drjekel_mrhyde: I'm sorry, but I don't give one shiat that he was a WWII vet.
/I do wish that he wins

Were you betting on the Germans or something?


I actually DO care he was a WWII vet.  My grandfather was a WWII vet and they gave away a heck of a lot to make sure we actually have a country.

That's one of DOZENS of good reasons to leave this guy alone.  Another is that eminent domain is not a process intended to give prime properties to corporate buddies.  But hopefully everyone here knows that.
 
2014-01-19 03:25:24 PM  

AngryDragon: Darth_Lukecash: I was told that conservative business people hated government interference. You know, small government should let markets decide.

You know that Mayor Robert Cox III of Saltaire, the locality in question, is not only a Democrat and the son of a Democrat, but a 4 term incumbent, right?  I was told that Democrats protect the interests of the little people against corporate and government oppression.

Oops.




Did I say GOP? Did I say Democratic? No? There is a reason for that. I was targeting so called "small government" mentality that reigns in business. I did not mention party.

I was talking about the business people who wanted to develop on the Vets shop using their political connection. The fact the mayor is a democratic incumbent makes it a complete disgrace. I hope an opponent beats him. Weather republican or democrat.

So enjoy your imaginary victory at something a liberal did not say
 
2014-01-19 03:31:36 PM  

Valiente: A man's home is his castle until it's a Walmart. Land of the free to expropriate. fark, yeah.



Or until a rich billionaire wants tax dollars to build a football stadium and parking lot.

www.freewoodpost.com
 
2014-01-19 03:32:00 PM  

AngryDragon: Darth_Lukecash: I was told that conservative business people hated government interference. You know, small government should let markets decide.

You know that Mayor Robert Cox III of Saltaire, the locality in question, is not only a Democrat and the son of a Democrat, but a 4 term incumbent, right?  I was told that Democrats protect the interests of the little people against corporate and government oppression.

Oops.


Keeping telling yourself "they may be white millionaires, but they're my white millionaires (yes, even the non-white ones!)" It's the sort of thinking that keeps the skids greased.
 
2014-01-19 03:33:22 PM  

Weatherkiss: Why does it matter he's a WWII vet?

Oh, right. The appeal to emotion.




WWII was the last war the US had to win. Loosing, like in Iraq or Afghanistan, was not an option.
 
2014-01-19 03:34:18 PM  
Eminent domain can be a good thing or a very bad thing.

Eminent domain is the reason why we have highways and railroads. Eminent domain is also the hammer that really rich people use to screw over poor people who don't want sell their land.
 
2014-01-19 03:36:25 PM  
Eminent Domain is one of the worst laws on the books today. My town of ~30K people pulled this crap to revamp the downtown area.

Before:
Several small, old, outdated but popular businesses that people actually patronized.

After:
Hundreds of half-filled condo buildings with empty retail space below them, 8 years running.  They signed a deal with the developer that gave them no control over pricing, and the developer has out-priced any form of mom and pop business being sustainable. There isn't enough traffic to lure big chains either.


Just because something "could" be more financially beneficial to a town does not mean that it will be.
 
2014-01-19 03:37:07 PM  
With only a little research, I've discovered the root cause: this family owned business actually produced a profit. In america, profits are only meant for corporations, not these "families" and "communities" everyone is always harping about. It takes board members and trustees who will send our dollars away from these places to keep our economy afloat, none of this "social responsibility" crap. Why should one family reap the benefits of a successful business when several thousand corporate goons could use that cash to be job creators in a third world country while simultaneously boosting stock value by nearly one-twentieth of a point!? Won't someone think of the economy!?!
 
2014-01-19 03:37:40 PM  

buzzcut73: Thanks, Stevens, joined by Kennedy, Souter, Ginsburg, Breyer


I'd be interested to see how the debate on this evolved in chambers. The alignment seems entirely political rather than from the facts. If Kennedy Souter etc had opposed the plan, I wouldn't have been surprised to see the Lying Scum support it. Republicanism has, since the 80s, become completely a matter of opposing Democrats. Why? Because you can't raise money from dumbos based on agreement.

Obama's policies have been 99% recycled Republican ideas. Yet, to hear the screams, he's a Muslim communist friend of Wall Street,
 
2014-01-19 03:39:43 PM  

iheartscotch: Eminent domain can be a good thing or a very bad thing.

Eminent domain is the reason why we have highways and railroads. Eminent domain is also the hammer that really rich people use to screw over poor people who don't want sell their land.


Thanks to the New London ruling. Of course what happened to that property after the success for the developers? NOTHING! The people who were forced to accept "market value" and thrown out for what was supposed to be higher tax paying private developers, get to see empty lots now because Pfizer never built there.

http://www.propertyrightsalliance.org/life-kelo-v-city-new-london-a2 92 1
 
2014-01-19 03:40:30 PM  
I'm still trying to figure out the Tea Party references. Are they supposed to storm the town hall and take shiat over?
 
2014-01-19 03:43:35 PM  

TedCruz'sCrazyDad: Weatherkiss: Why does it matter he's a WWII vet?

Oh, right. The appeal to emotion.

WWII was the last war the US had to win. Loosing, like in Iraq or Afghanistan, was not an option.


Tightness isn't everything.
 
2014-01-19 03:44:22 PM  

LordJiro: AngryDragon: Darth_Lukecash: I was told that conservative business people hated government interference. You know, small government should let markets decide.

You know that Mayor Robert Cox III of Saltaire, the locality in question, is not only a Democrat and the son of a Democrat, but a 4 term incumbent, right?  I was told that Democrats protect the interests of the little people against corporate and government oppression.

Oops.

You know that he didn't say "Republican"? "Democrat" and "conservative" are not mutually exclusive.


Nice way to try to dodge the point.  Under almost no circumstance does someone not equate Conservative with Republican.  You can throw out as many dance numbers as you want; fact of the matter is, there's corruption on both sides of the aisle.  It just so happens that this time it's on the Left.
 
2014-01-19 03:46:42 PM  

Fade2black: Under almost no circumstance does someone not equate Conservative with Republican.


You've never been to Kentucky?
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2014-01-19 03:47:59 PM  

Fade2black: You know that he didn't say "Republican"? "Democrat" and "conservative" are not mutually exclusive.

Nice way to try to dodge the point. Under almost no circumstance does someone not equate Conservative with Republican. You can throw out as many dance numbers as you want; fact of the matter is, there's corruption on both sides of the aisle. It just so happens that this time it's on the Left.


It's funny... there is usually very little crying on the "right" when the property is going to one of their corporate buddies.  You also seems to purposefully forget that there are a lot of dirty hippies like me that are upset that Obama has been such a corporatist in his administration.

This is about the other axis, corporatism vs. non-corporatism, and we've got maybe 2 or 3 people TOPS in the two houses of congress that aren't corporatists.
 
2014-01-19 03:50:06 PM  

Valiente: A man's home is his castle until it's a Walmart. Land of the free to expropriate. fark, yeah.


Everybody rents from the government or a bank.  Everybody.  I mean, who isn't a fat as a pig corporation.  They get paid to own sh*t.
 
2014-01-19 03:50:25 PM  

LordJiro: AngryDragon: Darth_Lukecash: I was told that conservative business people hated government interference. You know, small government should let markets decide.

You know that Mayor Robert Cox III of Saltaire, the locality in question, is not only a Democrat and the son of a Democrat, but a 4 term incumbent, right?  I was told that Democrats protect the interests of the little people against corporate and government oppression.

Oops.

You know that he didn't say "Republican"? "Democrat" and "conservative" are not mutually exclusive.


As Barry O clearly demonstrates
 
2014-01-19 03:51:44 PM  
Just kidding, they hit him with Eminent Domain

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It's a put-on....
 
2014-01-19 03:53:55 PM  
2.bp.blogspot.com
    And until that changes, we're f*cked.  So, to summarize, we're f*cked.
 
2014-01-19 03:55:48 PM  

DarkSoulNoHope: iheartscotch: Eminent domain can be a good thing or a very bad thing.

Eminent domain is the reason why we have highways and railroads. Eminent domain is also the hammer that really rich people use to screw over poor people who don't want sell their land.

Thanks to the New London ruling. Of course what happened to that property after the success for the developers? NOTHING! The people who were forced to accept "market value" and thrown out for what was supposed to be higher tax paying private developers, get to see empty lots now because Pfizer never built there.

http://www.propertyrightsalliance.org/life-kelo-v-city-new-london-a2 92 1


That's actually not surprising. This whole Republican vs Democrat thing is a farce.

The Roman poet Juvenal wrote of a concept called panem et circenses or bread and games. He felt that the Roman citizenry had given up their power to influence their country for the promise of crusty bread and gladiatorial games.

I feel that we've given up our power to influence our country for McDonalds and 24 hour news.

We need to stop making a false choice between dems and rep; between freedom and security and elect some people who actually care what happens to the little guy.
 
2014-01-19 03:57:04 PM  

Notabunny: fta "The repairs that are required due to the flooding ... do not appear to me to be substantial improvements as defined in the Building Code," reads one village-commissioned report.
But the village has variously argued that the damage was so vast that an onerous approval process was needed to rebuild or that the plans submitted by the Whitneys were incomplete.

This is easily solved. Hire an architect or an engineer to survey the property and submit a report. Ta-da.


The paragraph above the one you quoted mentioned that.
"Whitney's son, Scott, said four engineering reports, including two commissioned by the village, found the damage from Sandy was not substantial.  "
 
2014-01-19 03:58:08 PM  

iheartscotch: That's actually not surprising. This whole Republican vs Democrat thing is a farce.


3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-01-19 04:02:26 PM  

buzzcut73: Thanks, Stevens, joined by Kennedy, Souter, Ginsburg, Breyer


So much THIS -

For those curious

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelo_v._City_of_New_London
 
2014-01-19 04:07:38 PM  

JohnCarter: buzzcut73: Thanks, Stevens, joined by Kennedy, Souter, Ginsburg, Breyer

So much THIS -

For those curious

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelo_v._City_of_New_London


So, about that "wealth redistribution" sneer wealthy keep trotting when replying to accusations of vomit inducing avarice.  I guess it's only "communism" when the wealth is redistributed downchain, eh Gipper?
 
2014-01-19 04:12:28 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: I was talking about the business people who wanted to develop on the Vets shop using their political connection.


Yes, you were.  And we had actual "small government" that lacked the power to take property from one person and give it to another based on political connections, we wouldn't have that problem.  Trying to blame this on 'conservatives' or 'markets' is moronic.  Using government to force a sale to a private party is pretty much the exact opposite of a 'market' force.
 
2014-01-19 04:30:57 PM  

Weatherkiss: Why does it matter he's a WWII vet?

Oh, right. The appeal to emotion.



This ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

But I do hope he gets to keep his 'store'.
 
2014-01-19 04:38:04 PM  

yakmans_dad: buzzcut73: Thanks, Stevens, joined by Kennedy, Souter, Ginsburg, Breyer

I'd be interested to see how the debate on this evolved in chambers. The alignment seems entirely political rather than from the facts. If Kennedy Souter etc had opposed the plan, I wouldn't have been surprised to see the Lying Scum support it. Republicanism has, since the 80s, become completely a matter of opposing Democrats. Why? Because you can't raise money from dumbos based on agreement.

Obama's policies have been 99% recycled Republican ideas. Yet, to hear the screams, he's a Muslim communist friend of Wall Street,


An interesting thing about the Kelo decision (in my non legal scholar eyes) is future cases might hinge on whether the project succeeded. The language of the ruling indicates that if the city is able to generate the increased tax revenue from using ED, then the ruling will stand. However, it also seemed that the court provided some wiggle room. If the city in Kelo wasn't able to generate the increased tax money, then the court would revisit whether they were right to rule in favor of the city in the first place.

Given that the city is still millions of dollars in the hole because of this project, and has yes to receive a single penny in tax revenue, I think a case like this might prompt the more conservative court to overturn their Kelo decision and declare ED seizures like this unconstitutional.
 
2014-01-19 04:38:53 PM  

Weatherkiss: Why does it matter he's a WWII vet?

Oh, right. The appeal to emotion.


Because we fought wars like that to preserve our freedoms, like the right to own property without the threat of government seizure.

what's the point of fighting a war with Germany to prevent them from seizing your property when America will just do it anyways
 
2014-01-19 04:43:31 PM  

LordJiro: AngryDragon: Darth_Lukecash: I was told that conservative business people hated government interference. You know, small government should let markets decide.

You know that Mayor Robert Cox III of Saltaire, the locality in question, is not only a Democrat and the son of a Democrat, but a 4 term incumbent, right?  I was told that Democrats protect the interests of the little people against corporate and government oppression.

Oops.

You know that he didn't say "Republican"? "Democrat" and "conservative" are not mutually exclusive.


Hahahaha. Democrats are conservatives now.
 
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