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(The Register)   Translating the president's promises for NSA reforms into plain English. Tanslation: My promise is that I will commit to future promises to commit to potential reforms   (theregister.co.uk) divider line 69
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2014-01-19 10:53:28 AM
Translation: "We're going to try harder to not get caught."
 
2014-01-19 11:03:42 AM
They were telling us they weren't doing it before, so naturally I see no reason to find anything they say on this matter suspect in any way.
 
2014-01-19 11:42:17 AM
Sounds legit

/hey! you guys wanna see the bridge I just bought?
 
2014-01-19 01:59:34 PM
I've pretty much resigned myself to the fact that some NSA operative is watching this sentence type out character-by-character in real time.
 
2014-01-19 02:34:42 PM
I hope the NSA is listening to me. I'm not only funny but very well-informed.
 
2014-01-19 02:36:13 PM
Do we really need any more reminders that hardliners really run this country?
 
2014-01-19 02:39:11 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2014-01-19 02:49:44 PM
It was kind of interesting to watch right wing mouthpieces claiming that reforming the NSA was going to be the worst thing in the history of ever this AM on the talking head shows.
 
2014-01-19 02:54:23 PM
"Rest assured citizen we are doing everything humanly possible to ensure we are not caught again. What you don't know can't hurt us."
 
2014-01-19 02:56:06 PM
"I can't promise that I'll try, but I'll try to try."
 
2014-01-19 02:59:45 PM
Could be decent reforms. Could be worthless. I would've liked a mention about parallel construction not being used to illegally convict people, since that's one of the ways that right now the system is behaving like a police state. Fabrication of evidence is kind of a big deal if you want to be able to trust your government.
 
2014-01-19 03:02:58 PM
Someone please correct the spelling error in the headline.
 
2014-01-19 03:06:41 PM
He's offered some changes in how things are done... Which is a step in the right direction. I think more oversight is needed.

But at the same time the other countries that are biatching...like Germany, have their spying programs as well. Britain probably has the worse privacy laws (cameras everywhere).

Still, the whole point of spying is not necessarily following the rules.
 
2014-01-19 03:07:25 PM
Tanslation? Racist
 
2014-01-19 03:12:40 PM
Tanslation?  Is that something needed by Snooki when she's asked for a comment outside the tanning salon?
 
2014-01-19 03:14:26 PM
All of this could have been prevented if everybody didn't piss their undies after 9/11 and demand that boy-king Bush protect them from the scary terrorists.

You reap what you sow, motherfarkers.
 
2014-01-19 03:16:00 PM

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: Could be decent reforms. Could be worthless. I would've liked a mention about parallel construction not being used to illegally convict people, since that's one of the ways that right now the system is behaving like a police state. Fabrication of evidence is kind of a big deal if you want to be able to trust your government.


Gregory brought up the specter of the FBI and Hoover this morning, because that is exactly what they were doing. So I guess this is actually an improvement?
 
2014-01-19 03:18:56 PM
Reigning in the NSA would increase our exposure to attacks. To some extent, at least. We've accepted the trade of privacy for security, for better or worse.

If he reigns in the NSA and then another attack hits...Obama will get the blame because "the NSA could have stopped it". Even if popular opinion was against the NSA in the first place and Obama was just doing what the people demanded and we all knew the trade we were asking for, he will still be crucified by the Right and disowned by a significant number of liberals.

If you think Obama is being insecure, cowardly, and short-sighted, at least understand that he is only a representation of The People.
 
2014-01-19 03:26:40 PM
It's on Congress to fix this. Get together and pass some bipartisan legislation to reign the NSA in, let Obama veto it if he dares.
 
2014-01-19 03:36:34 PM
My promise is that I will commit tohave some of my people look into the possibility of future promises to commit to potential toothless reforms.
 
2014-01-19 03:40:59 PM

Jake Havechek: All of this could have been prevented if everybody didn't piss their undies after 9/11 and demand that boy-king Bush protect them from the scary terrorists.

You reap what you sow, motherfarkers.


Bush's fault.  I guess the people that were hoping for change are SOL.
 
2014-01-19 03:46:49 PM

goatleggedfellow: Reigning in the NSA would increase our exposure to attacks. To some extent, at least. We've accepted the trade of privacy for security, for better or worse.

If he reigns in the NSA and then another attack hits...Obama will get the blame because "the NSA could have stopped it". Even if popular opinion was against the NSA in the first place and Obama was just doing what the people demanded and we all knew the trade we were asking for, he will still be crucified by the Right and disowned by a significant number of liberals.

If you think Obama is being insecure, cowardly, and short-sighted, at least understand that he is only a representation of The People.


You mean "reining" not "reigning".
 
2014-01-19 03:51:37 PM

Wyalt Derp: It's on Congress to fix this. Get together and pass some bipartisan legislation to reign the NSA in, let Obama veto it if he dares.


Obama could fix this with a simple directive to the NSA.

"Cease this program.  Delete all data collected on Americans not specifically authorized by a FISA warrant."

But he didn't.  Because he's just as big a corporate statist tool as his predecessor.
 
2014-01-19 03:53:58 PM
Will the "Mission" be Accomplished"?
 
2014-01-19 03:58:48 PM

Rent Party: Obama could fix this with a simple directive to the NSA.

"Cease this program. Delete all data collected on Americans not specifically authorized by a FISA warrant."

But he didn't. Because he's just as big a corporate statist tool as his predecessor.



The Republicans would cry merry hell. Especially the next time there's a terrorist attack.
 
2014-01-19 04:01:29 PM

Prey4reign: goatleggedfellow: Reigning in the NSA would increase our exposure to attacks. To some extent, at least. We've accepted the trade of privacy for security, for better or worse.

If he reigns in the NSA and then another attack hits...Obama will get the blame because "the NSA could have stopped it". Even if popular opinion was against the NSA in the first place and Obama was just doing what the people demanded and we all knew the trade we were asking for, he will still be crucified by the Right and disowned by a significant number of liberals.

If you think Obama is being insecure, cowardly, and short-sighted, at least understand that he is only a representation of The People.

You mean "reining" not "reigning".


That was bothering me too, but maybe he means Obama would act as king.
 
2014-01-19 04:28:24 PM

Wyalt Derp: Rent Party: Obama could fix this with a simple directive to the NSA.

"Cease this program. Delete all data collected on Americans not specifically authorized by a FISA warrant."

But he didn't. Because he's just as big a corporate statist tool as his predecessor.


The Republicans would cry merry hell. Especially the next time there's a terrorist attack.




If anything the Boston Marathon bombing showed that System wasn't nosy enough.
 
2014-01-19 04:41:33 PM
Darth_Lukecash: If anything the Boston Marathon bombing showed that System wasn't nosy enough.

You mean after the Russians told us HEY, WATCH OUT FOR THIS #@%!$ GUY?

the system wasn't nosy enough

That's the conclusion you draw?
 
2014-01-19 04:55:49 PM

Prey4reign: goatleggedfellow: Reigning in the NSA would increase our exposure to attacks. To some extent, at least. We've accepted the trade of privacy for security, for better or worse.

If he reigns in the NSA and then another attack hits...Obama will get the blame because "the NSA could have stopped it". Even if popular opinion was against the NSA in the first place and Obama was just doing what the people demanded and we all knew the trade we were asking for, he will still be crucified by the Right and disowned by a significant number of liberals.

If you think Obama is being insecure, cowardly, and short-sighted, at least understand that he is only a representation of The People.

You mean "reining" not "reigning".


Dammit!

My point still stands, though.
 
2014-01-19 04:57:29 PM
If people's rights were secretly being violated, and revealing that secret doesn't stop the violations, then the real secret they were trying to protect was a blatant example of how unaccountable to the people government has become.

"We don't do this." --> "Okay, we do this and you can't stop us."
 
2014-01-19 05:01:14 PM

goatleggedfellow: [Obama] will still be crucified by the Right


I think we all know this will be true regardless.
 
2014-01-19 05:03:35 PM

gaslight: I hope the NSA is listening to me. I'm not only funny but very well-informed.


They also know you are a liar

;)
 
2014-01-19 05:03:45 PM

Zeb Hesselgresser: Darth_Lukecash: If anything the Boston Marathon bombing showed that System wasn't nosy enough.

You mean after the Russians told us HEY, WATCH OUT FOR THIS #@%!$ GUY?

the system wasn't nosy enough

That's the conclusion you draw?




The fact they were flagged and still got through, suggest what to you?

That seems to be a point in my favor.
 
2014-01-19 05:05:31 PM

Jake Havechek: if everybody didn't piss their undies after 9/11


believe me it wasn't everyone but it was enough. and then they reauthorized it when they had the chance to scale it back. fark the whole lot of them.
 
2014-01-19 05:05:54 PM

goatleggedfellow: Reigning in the NSA would increase our exposure to attacks. To some extent, at least. We've accepted the trade of privacy for security, for better or worse.

If he reigns in the NSA and then another attack hits...Obama will get the blame because "the NSA could have stopped it". Even if popular opinion was against the NSA in the first place and Obama was just doing what the people demanded and we all knew the trade we were asking for, he will still be crucified by the Right and disowned by a significant number of liberals.

If you think Obama is being insecure, cowardly, and short-sighted, at least understand that he is only a representation of The People.


I agree. The NSA could have stopped the Boston Bombing or 911 but didn't ...

Because....???
 
2014-01-19 05:10:34 PM

ourbigdumbmouth: I agree. The NSA could have stopped the Boston Bombing or 911 but didn't ...

Because....???


Really hot teen Skyping.
 
2014-01-19 05:36:20 PM

Darth_Lukecash: Zeb Hesselgresser: Darth_Lukecash: If anything the Boston Marathon bombing showed that System wasn't nosy enough.

You mean after the Russians told us HEY, WATCH OUT FOR THIS #@%!$ GUY?

the system wasn't nosy enough

That's the conclusion you draw?

The fact they were flagged and still got through, suggest what to you?

That seems to be a point in my favor.


That we received a tip of the very nature "the system" is supposed generate, from more traditional means and we screwed the pooch instead of following up on it, suggests to me, that the system in this case was irrelevant, and that we do not, in fact, have TOP MEN on the job. We have dog farkers instead. 

Sorry for that horrible sentence, watching the Pats.
 
2014-01-19 05:39:09 PM

MFAWG: It was kind of interesting to watch right wing mouthpieces claiming that reforming the NSA was going to be the worst thing in the history of ever this AM on the talking head shows.


If Obama is for it?

IIIIIIIIIIII'm agin' it!
 
2014-01-19 05:43:08 PM

Jake Havechek: All of this could have been prevented if everybody didn't piss their undies after 9/11 and demand that boy-king Bush protect them from the scary terrorists.

You reap what you sow, motherfarkers.


Hear hear.

Also, the NSA is not monitoring everything you do in real time. You're not that interesting, narcissist.
 
2014-01-19 06:07:20 PM

ourbigdumbmouth: goatleggedfellow: Reigning in the NSA would increase our exposure to attacks. To some extent, at least. We've accepted the trade of privacy for security, for better or worse.

If he reigns in the NSA and then another attack hits...Obama will get the blame because "the NSA could have stopped it". Even if popular opinion was against the NSA in the first place and Obama was just doing what the people demanded and we all knew the trade we were asking for, he will still be crucified by the Right and disowned by a significant number of liberals.

If you think Obama is being insecure, cowardly, and short-sighted, at least understand that he is only a representation of The People.

I agree. The NSA could have stopped the Boston Bombing or 911 but didn't ...

Because....???


Does that have something to do with what I was saying?
 
2014-01-19 06:10:31 PM

Jake Havechek: All of this could have been prevented if everybody didn't piss their undies after 9/11 and demand that boy-king Bush protect them from the scary terrorists.

You reap what you sow, motherfarkers.


If I remember correctly, it has been going on since before 9/11. Which makes it even more worthless
 
2014-01-19 06:24:04 PM

Rent Party: Wyalt Derp: It's on Congress to fix this. Get together and pass some bipartisan legislation to reign the NSA in, let Obama veto it if he dares.

Obama could fix this with a simple directive to the NSA.

"Cease this program.  Delete all data collected on Americans not specifically authorized by a FISA warrant."

But he didn't.  Because he's just as big a corporate statist tool as his predecessor.


You're just so precious.
 
2014-01-19 06:24:46 PM

machoprogrammer: Jake Havechek: All of this could have been prevented if everybody didn't piss their undies after 9/11 and demand that boy-king Bush protect them from the scary terrorists.

You reap what you sow, motherfarkers.

If I remember correctly, it has been going on since before 9/11. Which makes it even more worthless


The US Supreme Court held in 1979 that the collection of metadata didn't require individual warrants for ever single person that the data may have been about - presumably the actual policy of collecting metadata without a warrant would be much older. Anybody who wants what the NSA has done to be illegal (excluding, for the moment, the nutjobs who somehow got the idea that it's already illegal) can't really find any rational fault with Obama here. That objective would require a constitutional amendment (or at the very least a new or updated law), and that's not something the President can do himself.
 
2014-01-19 06:29:10 PM
I hate to say I told you so, but I told you so.
 
2014-01-19 07:29:31 PM
It's disappointing and depressing. All I can say is that Cheney would have said "Go f*ck yourselves."

But otherwise end result is the same.

Really bad revelations will come later. Kind of on the scale of a housing bubble leading to the collapse of 2008. This is like a fire quietly spreading in the attic.
 
2014-01-19 07:30:35 PM

Zeb Hesselgresser: Darth_Lukecash: Zeb Hesselgresser: Darth_Lukecash: If anything the Boston Marathon bombing showed that System wasn't nosy enough.

You mean after the Russians told us HEY, WATCH OUT FOR THIS #@%!$ GUY?

the system wasn't nosy enough

That's the conclusion you draw?

The fact they were flagged and still got through, suggest what to you?

That seems to be a point in my favor.

That we received a tip of the very nature "the system" is supposed generate, from more traditional means and we screwed the pooch instead of following up on it, suggests to me, that the system in this case was irrelevant, and that we do not, in fact, have TOP MEN on the job. We have dog farkers instead. 

Sorry for that horrible sentence, watching the Pats.


Top men you say? Perhaps they were working on hiding the Ark?
 
2014-01-19 07:46:39 PM
Welll, at least he didnt bring up 9/11 and try to ram "Patriot Act 2, Electronic Surveillance Boogaloo" down everyone's throat.
 
2014-01-19 08:39:55 PM

ourbigdumbmouth: I agree. The NSA could have stopped the Boston Bombing or 911 but didn't ...

Because....???


Screw the Boston Bombing, the better question is why they decided to keep quiet about their recording of phone calls from Khalid al-Mihdhar to a known al-Qaeda safe house in Yemen instead of doing their farking job and warning the other agencies about their 9/11 plans.

Oh, right - a handful of NSA agents that resigned over that (and other) idiocy told us: they buried those reports because they came from THINTHREAD, their new "shows you the relevant data without having to record everything" spy-software prototype, and that program was only going to cost $300 million. That's far too small a price tag to satisfy Hayden's friends in the supply-contract business. Sure, people died and buildings collapsed, but they secured that ~$4 billion contract to make TRAILBLAZER instead.

As usual, it all comes down to money. I'm sure it's the same in events like the Boston Bombing. Who has time to do things like keeping track of national security, when there's all that sweet military-industrial complex cash up for the taking?

/Eisenhower farking warned us, and we didn't listen
//...and fark you, NSA for giving the idiot truthers another round of attention
 
2014-01-19 10:38:15 PM
I assume the Obvious tag is being indefinitely detained without access to counsel while law enforcement goes through everything he's ever owned or done without a warrant?
 
2014-01-20 12:27:45 AM

Biological Ali: machoprogrammer: Jake Havechek: All of this could have been prevented if everybody didn't piss their undies after 9/11 and demand that boy-king Bush protect them from the scary terrorists.

You reap what you sow, motherfarkers.

If I remember correctly, it has been going on since before 9/11. Which makes it even more worthless

The US Supreme Court held in 1979 that the collection of metadata didn't require individual warrants for ever single person that the data may have been about - presumably the actual policy of collecting metadata without a warrant would be much older. Anybody who wants what the NSA has done to be illegal (excluding, for the moment, the nutjobs who somehow got the idea that it's already illegal) can't really find any rational fault with Obama here. That objective would require a constitutional amendment (or at the very least a new or updated law), and that's not something the President can do himself.


You know, of course, that around here COMPREHENDING and EXPLAINING means condoning; which means you're nothing but an NSA shill and nobody is going to pay any attention to you. Liberal whargarble is at least as whargarbly as conservative whargarble. They want the NSA to be Evil Government and a New Thing and nothing you say will change anyone's mind.
 
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