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2014-01-19 04:00:28 PM
Who buys postage at a store?
 
2014-01-19 04:01:51 PM
Go ahead.  Strike, you dumb a-holes.  Go on strike for something like forever.

See Reagan, R., c.1981, PATCO for more details.
 
2014-01-19 04:12:07 PM

bronyaur1: Go ahead.  Strike, you dumb a-holes.  Go on strike for something like forever.

See Reagan, R., c.1981, PATCO for more details.


The truth is the Post Office could be profitable, but in 2006 the Republican controlled Congress and Bush signed a law mandating the Post Office prepay for 70 years of retirement benefits in 10 years - which no other organization has to do.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/45018432 

This is a long game of trying to privatize the postal service. If a Republican majority in Congress and president gets in by 2016 the post office will be sold off to some private company and those retirement accounts will end up in some Cayman Island bank accounts, while the postal workers will be shifted to the public dole when the federal government is forced to bail out their pension fund.
 
2014-01-19 04:45:00 PM

bronyaur1: Go ahead.  Strike, you dumb a-holes.  Go on strike for something like forever.

See Reagan, R., c.1981, PATCO for more details.


Postal workers are not allowed to strike, it's spelled out in the contract, you dumb a-hole. Go suck a dick for something like forever.
 
2014-01-19 04:45:22 PM
Let 'em go on strike.  I'll just go to Staples and mail it from there.. oh wait, I can just go online and print and pay for my own shipping.
 
2014-01-19 05:27:54 PM
The USPS doesn't get the respect it deserves, IMO. I look at what goes into getting a letter or package from A to B in a day or two, and it blows my farking mind, thinking about the volume they deal with. Plus, they are mandated to get it ANYWHERE, regardless of how "cost-effective" it is to get it to the poorest, most remote Americans. It's one of the greatest achievements of the nation, and even in an era of electronic communication, it remains relevant for moving physical items across the nation with alacrity and precision.

Do they fark up in some individual circumstances? Of course. But the error rate is low considering the mind-breaking volume, and I've had private carriers fark up at least as often, maybe more often lately.

  Ed Willy is right about the no- too-well-hidden conspiracy to steal away the profitable parts of the USPS to be taken over by private shippers who've bought off most of the Congress.
We shouldn't be so hasty to let them win.  It is NOT in the best interest o f the nation, long-term, to dismantle a truly nation-wide service to all.
 
2014-01-19 05:56:57 PM

Ed Willy: bronyaur1: Go ahead.  Strike, you dumb a-holes.  Go on strike for something like forever.

See Reagan, R., c.1981, PATCO for more details.

The truth is the Post Office could be profitable, but in 2006 the Republican controlled Congress and Bush signed a law mandating the Post Office prepay for 70 years of retirement benefits in 10 years - which no other organization has to do.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/45018432 

This is a long game of trying to privatize the postal service. If a Republican majority in Congress and president gets in by 2016 the post office will be sold off to some private company and those retirement accounts will end up in some Cayman Island bank accounts, while the postal workers will be shifted to the public dole when the federal government is forced to bail out their pension fund.


Yup!  I got lots of respect for the USPS.   Congress gets mad that they have such a huge amount of employees that get good wages and decent benefits when some rich friend of theirs could cut their pay take the USPS private and make the CEOs & Friends rich from the stock options all while shiatting on the workers.   This is 100% congress' fault and their attempts to make their friends richer with  privatizing postal services.

Not only that I see the USPS as a back up to the internet.   If for some crazy reason an EMP hit the US or a massive black out happened for months or even worse War.  Snail mail is the default form of communications.    You wouldnt have to worry about high rates because companies start spouting supply and demand.   Ben Franklin set up the USPS to work pretty damn smooth for such a large task to undertake.
 
2014-01-19 06:21:51 PM

Ed Willy: bronyaur1: Go ahead.  Strike, you dumb a-holes.  Go on strike for something like forever.

See Reagan, R., c.1981, PATCO for more details.

The truth is the Post Office could be profitable, but in 2006 the Republican controlled Congress and Bush signed a law mandating the Post Office prepay for 70 years of retirement benefits in 10 years - which no other organization has to do.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/45018432 

This is a long game of trying to privatize the postal service. If a Republican majority in Congress and president gets in by 2016 the post office will be sold off to some private company and those retirement accounts will end up in some Cayman Island bank accounts, while the postal workers will be shifted to the public dole when the federal government is forced to bail out their pension fund.


USPS is still in the red.  They haven't made that pension payment in almost two years and they are still losing money.  This talking point is tired, wrong, and stupid.

Other countries have postal services in convenience stores.  It only seems to be the US that can't seem to get on board with the program.
 
2014-01-19 06:24:53 PM
There's nothing wrong with putting a mail drop in a store. There IS something wrong with opening what is essentially a full service postal branch, and hiring scab workers at minimum wage, instead of paying what the contract sets as the pay scale. That IS attempting to bust the union.
 
2014-01-19 06:37:58 PM
The USPS is not allowed to have copy machines any more or sell paper due to their lobbying, so why should Stapels be allowed to open postal centers?
 
2014-01-19 06:55:23 PM

Lsherm: Ed Willy: bronyaur1: Go ahead.  Strike, you dumb a-holes.  Go on strike for something like forever.

See Reagan, R., c.1981, PATCO for more details.

The truth is the Post Office could be profitable, but in 2006 the Republican controlled Congress and Bush signed a law mandating the Post Office prepay for 70 years of retirement benefits in 10 years - which no other organization has to do.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/45018432 

This is a long game of trying to privatize the postal service. If a Republican majority in Congress and president gets in by 2016 the post office will be sold off to some private company and those retirement accounts will end up in some Cayman Island bank accounts, while the postal workers will be shifted to the public dole when the federal government is forced to bail out their pension fund.

USPS is still in the red.  They haven't made that pension payment in almost two years and they are still losing money.  This talking point is tired, wrong, and stupid.

Other countries have postal services in convenience stores.  It only seems to be the US that can't seem to get on board with the program.


Yeah, that'll work in a 7-11. Process letter and package mail and serving up 5 hour old pigs-in-a-blanket, all the while processing lotto tickets as your store is getting pillaged for your beer and doritos.
 
2014-01-19 07:40:57 PM
"It's a direct assault on our jobs and on public postal services," said Mark Dimondstein, president of the 200,000-member American Postal Workers Union.

They took er jerbs.
 
2014-01-19 07:53:19 PM

Lsherm: Ed Willy: bronyaur1: Go ahead.  Strike, you dumb a-holes.  Go on strike for something like forever.

See Reagan, R., c.1981, PATCO for more details.

The truth is the Post Office could be profitable, but in 2006 the Republican controlled Congress and Bush signed a law mandating the Post Office prepay for 70 years of retirement benefits in 10 years - which no other organization has to do.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/45018432 

This is a long game of trying to privatize the postal service. If a Republican majority in Congress and president gets in by 2016 the post office will be sold off to some private company and those retirement accounts will end up in some Cayman Island bank accounts, while the postal workers will be shifted to the public dole when the federal government is forced to bail out their pension fund.

USPS is still in the red.  They haven't made that pension payment in almost two years and they are still losing money.  This talking point is tired, wrong, and stupid.

Other countries have postal services in convenience stores.  It only seems to be the US that can't seem to get on board with the program.


I am a postal employee. YOU are tired, wrong, and stupid. We are mandated by Congress to have universal service. We are mandated by congress to do a lot of things, but we don't get a farking red cent from them, we are totally self-funded. Can you say that about the DOD? fark no. We have the WORST features of being a government agency and being a private company, and still mostly manage to get along. We are by far the most efficient national mail delivery service in the world by a long shot. And once again, fark off you Republican asshole, we don't take ANY of your farking tax dollars.
 
2014-01-19 08:36:21 PM

show me: I am a postal employee. YOU are tired, wrong, and stupid. We are mandated by Congress to have universal service. We are mandated by congress to do a lot of things, but we don't get a farking red cent from them, we are totally self-funded. Can you say that about the DOD? fark no. We have the WORST features of being a government agency and being a private company, and still mostly manage to get along. We are by far the most efficient national mail delivery service in the world by a long shot. And once again, fark off you Republican asshole, we don't take ANY of your farking tax dollars.


Sure, shoot the messenger.  Playing pretend with your fingers in your ears isn't going to make it any better.  The USPS lost 2.4 billion in 2012, and that's without counting the pension payout, which they skipped.  They borrowed money from the Treasury (I'll give you a pass on "taxpayer dollars" even though that's not an option for a regular business) to cover the spread.  However, they hit their 15 billion dollar loan limit in 2013.

Here's the problem:  that pension you've been promised?  The existing structure had current employees paying into a pension fund which would then support current retirees.  That works as long as your core business isn't shrinking.  The mail business is shrinking, will continue to shrink, and unless the Postmaster General comes up with a whiz bang method of drumming up a new monopoly somewhere, it's all negative growth from here on out.  Pre-funding the pension obligations was a practical step towards making sure the USPS could actually cover the promises it had made to its workers.  It was misguided because the pre-funding had to be done in too short a time, but forcing a company to back their promises isn't "unfair."

You know what happens if they don't fund the pensions fully?  What happened to retirees all over the country when private companies raided pension funds and then went bankrupt.  Either you get a pittance from the PBGC, or you get a fully funded pension from a taxpayer bailout.  Or, worst case scenario, you get nothing.  Plenty of people are going to get farked in Detroit through absolutely no fault of their own because no one took a step back 15 years ago and saw the storm coming.

To fix all this, a few things should happen.  First class mail rates should be raised substantially.  No one is going to die if we charge a dollar a stamp.  Saturday delivery should be cut, but Congress will probably shiatcan that idea, but maybe they can cancel Saturday delivery for extremely rural routes since those cost the most per piece of mail delivered.  The workforce needs to shrink substantially, preferably through early retirement or buyouts.  First class mail is dropping well over 5% each year but the labor costs of the USPS are going up.  That's an untenable situation.  Rural post offices should be closed, but since congress wouldn't allow it, the USPS did start limiting the hours that underutilized post offices were open.  These are all good first steps.

The aggressive move into parcel shipping might pay off, but the USPS will be competing with UPS and FedEx.  And you are absolutely correct that the USPS is the most efficient first class mail service in the world, by FAR, but they are not nearly as efficient with parcel shipping.

It is in your own best interest for the USPS to get a handle on their current labor expenses because if they don't it will negatively impact you later.  Pretending that it doesn't have a severe funding problem right now is foolish.  They are running headlong into the same problem most public sector unions are dealing with: promises were made but never funded correctly, and when the bill comes due someone will have to pay it.  Any attempt to head that off at the pass now is better than waiting to deal with it later.  Do you want the USPS to declare bankruptcy when you're five years into retirement?  No.
 
2014-01-19 08:43:46 PM
I have no problem, with expanded access to postal services, this Staples move is only expanded access on the surface.  It will be eventually used, if it is not already, as a reason to shutdown USPS operated stations in the areas surrounding these stores.   I personally buy stamps at Walgreen's or the grocery store, this is not an efficient use of postal retail resources.  By doing so the line for the complicated transactions is shorter.  Registered mail to Zaire? We can do that.

/APWU
//met Dimondstein while he was campaigning, incompentent but correct on this issue
 
2014-01-19 10:36:12 PM

Lsherm: To fix all this, a few things should happen. First class mail rates should be raised substantially. No one is going to die if we charge a dollar a stamp. Saturday delivery should be cut, but Congress will probably shiatcan that idea, but maybe they can cancel Saturday delivery for extremely rural routes since those cost the most per piece of mail delivered. The workforce needs to shrink substantially, preferably through early retirement or buyouts. First class mail is dropping well over 5% each year but the labor costs of the USPS are going up. That's an untenable situation. Rural post offices should be closed, but since congress wouldn't allow it, the USPS did start limiting the hours that underutilized post offices were open. These are all good first steps.


One study I read stated that the greatest savings would be ending front step delivery. You could have carriers deliver more mail and reduce the need to hire new workers and reduce the risk of injury. Just place drop boxes for houses in clusters of 30-40 per area. Have rural routes eliminated except for special need.

I think there will come a day when carriers are glad that the USPS is being forced to fully fund their pensions. As it is, the pension bubble is getting ready to rip a trillion dollar hole in the US economy because we keep shortchanging the funding everywhere. Detroit was just a warm-up.
 
2014-01-19 11:59:53 PM

Lsherm: show me: I am a postal employee. YOU are tired, wrong, and stupid. We are mandated by Congress to have universal service. We are mandated by congress to do a lot of things, but we don't get a farking red cent from them, we are totally self-funded. Can you say that about the DOD? fark no. We have the WORST features of being a government agency and being a private company, and still mostly manage to get along. We are by far the most efficient national mail delivery service in the world by a long shot. And once again, fark off you Republican asshole, we don't take ANY of your farking tax dollars.

Sure, shoot the messenger.  Playing pretend with your fingers in your ears isn't going to make it any better.  The USPS lost 2.4 billion in 2012, and that's without counting the pension payout, which they skipped.  They borrowed money from the Treasury (I'll give you a pass on "taxpayer dollars" even though that's not an option for a regular business) to cover the spread.  However, they hit their 15 billion dollar loan limit in 2013.

Here's the problem:  that pension you've been promised?  The existing structure had current employees paying into a pension fund which would then support current retirees.  That works as long as your core business isn't shrinking.  The mail business is shrinking, will continue to shrink, and unless the Postmaster General comes up with a whiz bang method of drumming up a new monopoly somewhere, it's all negative growth from here on out.  Pre-funding the pension obligations was a practical step towards making sure the USPS could actually cover the promises it had made to its workers.  It was misguided because the pre-funding had to be done in too short a time, but forcing a company to back their promises isn't "unfair."

You know what happens if they don't fund the pensions fully?  What happened to retirees all over the country when private companies raided pension funds and then went bankrupt.  Either you get a pittance from the PBGC, or you get ...


You are obviously knowledgeable about the issue, so I apologize for the name calling. You make some very good points. Our burden, and also our advantage in some ways is that we deliver to every address. We are FedEx's biggest customer, and they are ours. We don't own any airplanes, and they don't necessarily deliver to every address, at least not efficiently. The USPS is going to contract, sure, but I think we'll be viable for the foreseeable future.
 
2014-01-20 12:05:04 AM

Your Hind Brain: Yeah, that'll work in a 7-11. Process letter and package mail and serving up 5 hour old pigs-in-a-blanket, all the while processing lotto tickets as your store is getting pillaged for your beer and doritos.


It takes such talent and skill to sell a stamp and toss the envelope into a bin.
 
2014-01-20 12:09:44 AM
FTFA: The average postal clerk earns about $25 an hour, according to the union, plus a generous package of health and retirement benefits. The Staples post office counters are run by nonunion workers often making little more than the minimum wage.

I'm genuinely curious.  What can the guy making $25/hour who runs the counter at the post office do that a Staples employee making $10/hour can't do?
 
2014-01-20 12:09:47 AM

Lance Russell's Nose: Your Hind Brain: Yeah, that'll work in a 7-11. Process letter and package mail and serving up 5 hour old pigs-in-a-blanket, all the while processing lotto tickets as your store is getting pillaged for your beer and doritos.

It takes such talent and skill to sell a stamp and toss the envelope into a bin.


It takes even more talent and skill to actually look up what the responsibilities of a full service mail clerk are.
 
2014-01-20 12:19:15 AM
I work for one of Staples' major competitors  and we've had USPS shipping for years now.
 
2014-01-20 12:27:31 AM

show me: Lance Russell's Nose: Your Hind Brain: Yeah, that'll work in a 7-11. Process letter and package mail and serving up 5 hour old pigs-in-a-blanket, all the while processing lotto tickets as your store is getting pillaged for your beer and doritos.

It takes such talent and skill to sell a stamp and toss the envelope into a bin.

It takes even more talent and skill to actually look up what the responsibilities of a full service mail clerk are.


It takes yet more talent and skill to realize that the Staples proposal, according to reports, isn't attempting to replicate a full service mail clerk.

I've been to country stores that also serve as the post offices in their communities.  If Cletus the 9th grade dropout can handle the duties of selling postage, I'm sure Jill at Staples can handle the responsibilities of selling stamps and mailing packages..
 
2014-01-20 01:27:56 AM

show me: You are obviously knowledgeable about the issue, so I apologize for the name calling. You make some very good points. Our burden, and also our advantage in some ways is that we deliver to every address. We are FedEx's biggest customer, and they are ours. We don't own any airplanes, and they don't necessarily deliver to every address, at least not efficiently. The USPS is going to contract, sure, but I think we'll be viable for the foreseeable future.


Well, that might be the first Fark apology i've ever gotten, so thank you for that.  I wasn't trying to be snarky - the USPS really is a great agency (can't really call it a company because, as you noted, Congress farks with it relentlessly).  They are, however, in a pickle.  I'm tired of hearing about the pension payments because they weren't making them and they still lost money.  And here's the kicker:  pension payments are promises the USPS made to you.  When they don't pay into the fund, it's no different than any corporation that didn't fund their pensions.  You, the person who is counting on a pension, gets screwed every time they do that.

My family has a long history with the USPS.  My grandfather was a postal fraud inspector after WWII until he died.  May father-in-law was a postman until Vietnam hit, then he went army.  I have two cousins in Colorado and Wisconsin (I think) who are working for the USPS in some capacity, but I'm not sure how.

Here's what alarms me:  my grandfather was killed in a car accident in 1968.  His pension transferred to my grandmother, and she took it until she died in 1996.  That's almost 30 years of increasing expenses and free health care that you (or someone like you) paid for if you worked for the USPS over the years.  That was all well and good while the USPS business was growing.  Now that it is shrinking, the current base isn't big enough to support the retirees, and it's getting smaller every day.  And while there were plenty of shenanigans behind the requirement to front-load the pension fund, there was a very real concern behind the idea: if the existing method of funding the pensions promised to USPS employees continued, a catastrophic collapse at some point in the future was certain.

I won't challenge your assertion that the Republicans want to privatize the USPS - they do.  What I can tell you is that it's not likely because of the meddling you've already pointed out.  They will lose that control if the USPS goes private, and if there's one thing Republicans and Democrats in congress agree on, it's that they like power.

But I still find myself screaming at the rafters because there is a big problem that needs to be solved.  Republicans are pointing at the losses of the USPS without acknowledging that it has to deal with constraints any normal business would brush aside like ash.  Democrats are refusing to acknowledge that the money simply isn't there to provide for the contract provisions made with labor in the past.

Since mail volume has been dropping, the USPS needs to cut staff even more than they already have.  They also need to raise prices.  Raising the rates on first class mail will garner some more money, especially if they go with my idea of a dollar a letter, but the only growth in mail volume over the past ten years has been third class mail - advertisements.  Like most economic systems in this country, there is a very large lobby that aims to keep those costs low, and they are country-wide.  They already pay a cut rate for mail and increasing the cost would offer a huge bump to USPS revenue.  It might also cut down on the crap I get in my mailbox.

Second rate mail (magazines and newspapers) don't count, for obvious reasons.  That's even more diminishing than first class mail.
 
2014-01-20 04:10:43 AM

show me: Lsherm: Ed Willy: bronyaur1: Go ahead.  Strike, you dumb a-holes.  Go on strike for something like forever.

See Reagan, R., c.1981, PATCO for more details.

The truth is the Post Office could be profitable, but in 2006 the Republican controlled Congress and Bush signed a law mandating the Post Office prepay for 70 years of retirement benefits in 10 years - which no other organization has to do.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/45018432 

This is a long game of trying to privatize the postal service. If a Republican majority in Congress and president gets in by 2016 the post office will be sold off to some private company and those retirement accounts will end up in some Cayman Island bank accounts, while the postal workers will be shifted to the public dole when the federal government is forced to bail out their pension fund.

USPS is still in the red.  They haven't made that pension payment in almost two years and they are still losing money.  This talking point is tired, wrong, and stupid.

Other countries have postal services in convenience stores.  It only seems to be the US that can't seem to get on board with the program.

I am a postal employee. YOU are tired, wrong, and stupid. We are mandated by Congress to have universal service. We are mandated by congress to do a lot of things, but we don't get a farking red cent from them, we are totally self-funded. Can you say that about the DOD? fark no. We have the WORST features of being a government agency and being a private company, and still mostly manage to get along. We are by far the most efficient national mail delivery service in the world by a long shot. And once again, fark off you Republican asshole, we don't take ANY of your farking tax dollars.


The USPS is in the Red by more than the pension payment, in other words even if they didn't have to make that payment they'd still be losing money just not as much. Universal Service doesn't mean every address. The USPS doesn't go to every address, if you live far enough out in the country and not on a rural route then you get a PO Box and have to pick it up yourself. The USPS also enjoys a huge perk of being government it doesn't pay taxes.  Finally yes, the USPS is given tax dollars each year to the tune of about $100 million, however that is basically for various services rendered to the Federal Government.
 
2014-01-20 04:57:50 AM

Lt_Ryan: Finally yes, the USPS is given tax dollars each year to the tune of about $100 million, however that is basically for various services rendered to the Federal Government.


So they are paying for their franking privilege, sort of? I didn't know that, that's good information.
 
2014-01-20 06:51:03 AM

Lance Russell's Nose: I'm genuinely curious.  What can the guy making $25/hour who runs the counter at the post office do that a Staples employee making $10/hour can't do?


*crickets*
 
2014-01-20 08:57:49 AM

Lance Russell's Nose: show me: Lance Russell's Nose: Your Hind Brain: Yeah, that'll work in a 7-11. Process letter and package mail and serving up 5 hour old pigs-in-a-blanket, all the while processing lotto tickets as your store is getting pillaged for your beer and doritos.

It takes such talent and skill to sell a stamp and toss the envelope into a bin.

It takes even more talent and skill to actually look up what the responsibilities of a full service mail clerk are.

It takes yet more talent and skill to realize that the Staples proposal, according to reports, isn't attempting to replicate a full service mail clerk.

I've been to country stores that also serve as the post offices in their communities.  If Cletus the 9th grade dropout can handle the duties of selling postage, I'm sure Jill at Staples can handle the responsibilities of selling stamps and mailing packages..


Were these county stores in towns that had a population of 15?
 
2014-01-20 10:00:35 AM

Lance Russell's Nose: I'm genuinely curious. What can the guy making $25/hour who runs the counter at the post office do that a Staples employee making $10/hour can't do?


Feed his family?
 
2014-01-20 10:06:04 AM

Lance Russell's Nose: FTFA: The average postal clerk earns about $25 an hour, according to the union, plus a generous package of health and retirement benefits. The Staples post office counters are run by nonunion workers often making little more than the minimum wage.

I'm genuinely curious.  What can the guy making $25/hour who runs the counter at the post office do that a Staples employee making $10/hour can't do?


Pay for food, shelter and transportation without having to go on welfare or food stamps?
Make "long-term" plans more than a week in advance without worrying about a scheduling conflict with work?
Take a day off from work if he catches a cold without worrying about not having enough money to pay the bills next paycheck as a result?
Not worry about getting a pay cut or getting fired because the suits at the top felt like giving themselves a raise?

Be happy?
 
2014-01-20 10:21:44 AM

Descartes: Lance Russell's Nose: I'm genuinely curious.  What can the guy making $25/hour who runs the counter at the post office do that a Staples employee making $10/hour can't do?

*crickets*


Pay his bills?
 
2014-01-20 10:57:13 AM

Lsherm: Here's what alarms me: my grandfather was killed in a car accident in 1968. His pension transferred to my grandmother, and she took it until she died in 1996. That's almost 30 years of increasing expenses and free health care that you (or someone like you) paid for if you worked for the USPS over the years.


Here's what alarms me: You wanted your elderly grandmother to either die faster or get a job.  Because clearly you would be against paying for 30 years of her Medicare and Social Security.
 
2014-01-20 11:13:04 AM

doomjesse: Descartes: Lance Russell's Nose: I'm genuinely curious.  What can the guy making $25/hour who runs the counter at the post office do that a Staples employee making $10/hour can't do?

*crickets*

Pay his bills?


Bootstrappy FARK Independents would argue that he should just get a second job to help pay the bills...

/ easier said than done, at least in my neck of the woods
 
2014-01-20 11:21:13 AM
Yeah, the Postal Service.  For a service that once reached Such Great Heights, they have certainly Become Silhouettes of their former grandeur.  I remember once there was Nothing Better than getting a letter on a Saturday morning; now you're better off just Sleeping In for all it's worth.  And the best thing I can say about a visit to any branch of the Post Office today is that the Recycled Air filters out most of the funk from the other people in line.

/this has been a sad, sad attempt, that deserves to Sleep Alone Tonight
//While the slashies carry on like A Tattered Line Of String
 
2014-01-20 11:30:24 AM

Lance Russell's Nose: I'm genuinely curious. What can the guy making $25/hour who runs the counter at the post office do that a Staples employee making $10/hour can't do?


You know, that's a very good point. Staples really does need to dramatically increase the wages they pay their employees.

I mean, you're surely not making an argumentum ad invidium, right? Because who would really argue that 220,000 plus workers in this country should have their pay cut to a poverty wage simply because Staples doesn't pay its employees as well as it should?
 
2014-01-20 11:47:43 AM

Lance Russell's Nose: I'm genuinely curious. What can the guy making $25/hour who runs the counter at the post office do that a Staples employee making $10/hour can't do?


I couldn't think of anything.  Then I came up with another question.  What can the Staples employee making $10/hour do that 12 year olds making $2/hour can't do?
 
2014-01-20 12:10:32 PM

Ed Willy: bronyaur1: Go ahead.  Strike, you dumb a-holes.  Go on strike for something like forever.

See Reagan, R., c.1981, PATCO for more details.

The truth is the Post Office could be profitable, but in 2006 the Republican controlled Congress and Bush signed a law mandating the Post Office prepay for 70 years of retirement benefits in 10 years - which no other organization has to do.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/45018432 

This is a long game of trying to privatize the postal service. If a Republican majority in Congress and president gets in by 2016 the post office will be sold off to some private company and those retirement accounts will end up in some Cayman Island bank accounts, while the postal workers will be shifted to the public dole when the federal government is forced to bail out their pension fund.


Do you mean the Postal Accountability Act of 2006?  There were 163 cosponsors of the bill: 104 Democrats (Led by Henry Waxman), 58 Republicans, and 1 independent. Well-known Democrats and Independents (just one) were part of the cosponsor list. It passed the House on Jul 26, 2005. The vote was 410 to 20 - quite the bipartisan vote.It passed by 'voice-vote', no official tab was kept.

BUSH!!!
 
2014-01-20 12:13:32 PM

Descartes: Lance Russell's Nose: I'm genuinely curious.  What can the guy making $25/hour who runs the counter at the post office do that a Staples employee making $10/hour can't do?

*crickets*


How about pay their bills and eek out a decent lives for themselves and their family?
 
2014-01-20 01:03:40 PM
Not sure which is more surprising -- that people still use the mail, or that they still go to office supply stores.
 
2014-01-20 01:18:18 PM
The average postal clerk earns about $25 an hour, according to the union
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While I'm against paying people minimum wage... $25 an hour?! Holy cripes!
 
2014-01-20 01:45:55 PM

lennavan: Lsherm: Here's what alarms me: my grandfather was killed in a car accident in 1968. His pension transferred to my grandmother, and she took it until she died in 1996. That's almost 30 years of increasing expenses and free health care that you (or someone like you) paid for if you worked for the USPS over the years.

Here's what alarms me: You wanted your elderly grandmother to either die faster or get a job.  Because clearly you would be against paying for 30 years of her Medicare and Social Security.


No, I didn't say that.  I understand you're a farking dim-witted hoople-head so reading comprehension may not be your strong suit, but I pointed out that the old method of funding the pensions doesn't work anymore because the size of the USPS is no longer increasing.  So they either need more revenue, or less benefits.

And she did have a job, you farking nitwit.  She got the pension anyway.  She also had four strokes before she died, so I'm sure she cost a fortune in medical care as well.
 
2014-01-20 02:06:45 PM

purplegiraffe: Descartes: Lance Russell's Nose: I'm genuinely curious.  What can the guy making $25/hour who runs the counter at the post office do that a Staples employee making $10/hour can't do?

*crickets*

How about pay their bills and eek out a decent lives for themselves and their family?


This. Plus the fact that the $25/hr clerk with good benefits and a stable job is much less likely to 'lose' the new debit or credit card that was supposed to be in your PO box by now. I think there'd be much less motivation to steal when you've got so much to lose.

Part timer making minimum wage that's behind on their bills and desperate? They'll start pilfering stuff like you wouldn't believe.
 
2014-01-20 05:43:36 PM

ReverendLoki: Yeah, the Postal Service.  For a service that once reached Such Great Heights, they have certainly Become Silhouettes of their former grandeur.  I remember once there was Nothing Better than getting a letter on a Saturday morning; now you're better off just Sleeping In for all it's worth.  And the best thing I can say about a visit to any branch of the Post Office today is that the Recycled Air filters out most of the funk from the other people in line.

/this has been a sad, sad attempt, that deserves to Sleep Alone Tonight
//While the slashies carry on like A Tattered Line Of String


I love you thiiiiiiiiiis much.
 
2014-01-20 06:59:14 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2014-01-20 07:58:57 PM

Mrbogey: One study I read stated that the greatest savings would be ending front step delivery. You could have carriers deliver more mail and reduce the need to hire new workers and reduce the risk of injury. Just place drop boxes for houses in clusters of 30-40 per area. Have rural routes eliminated except for special need.


Definite efficiency gain there.  Canada is working to cut out both doorstep and the country/suburban classic "mailbox on a post" in favor of cluster boxes of 10-30 boxes (which is also what subdivisions built in the last 15 years have gotten in the US, too).  Besides the efficiency in delivery, they're slightly more secure (locking) than most rural or doorstep boxes and usually have a parcel delivery box or two, which beats leaving packages on the porch or having to trudge down to a post office with a claim form.
 
2014-01-20 08:39:41 PM

Lance Russell's Nose: FTFA: The average postal clerk earns about $25 an hour, according to the union, plus a generous package of health and retirement benefits. The Staples post office counters are run by nonunion workers often making little more than the minimum wage.

I'm genuinely curious.  What can the guy making $25/hour who runs the counter at the post office do that a Staples employee making $10/hour can't do?


Have you ever been in a post office?  They have a sophisticated self-service kiosk that lets you handle a lot of simple parcel mailings. That leaves the postal clerks at the customer service area with the more complex mailings. These clerks have clearly have memorized an entire manual's worth of postal rules, regulations, and options.

Don't bring up the FedEx centers in retail outlets.  They handle far fewer types of mailings than the USPS.
 
2014-01-20 08:42:13 PM

phyrkrakr: I mean, you're surely not making an argumentum ad invidium, right? Because who would really argue that 220,000 plus workers in this country should have their pay cut to a poverty wage simply because Staples doesn't pay its employees as well as it should?


Well, I learned a new logical fallacy today -- neat!  Thanks for the a propos term.
 
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