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(Philly.com)   New Jersey has been colluding with insurance companies to import coyotes in order to reduce the deer population. What a wily idea   (philly.com) divider line 116
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2014-01-19 02:22:08 PM  
He's angry at New Jersey, but he'll never show it.

www.boomeranghq.net
 
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2014-01-19 02:23:12 PM  
"So if you have 45 minutes I'd like to tell you about our lord Jesus Christ."

/or something like that
 
2014-01-19 02:24:21 PM  
ACME?
 
2014-01-19 02:24:33 PM  
Well, Christie tried to reduce the deer population by closing two lanes on the George Washington Bridge to trap the commuting deers in congestion, but that didn't work.
 
2014-01-19 02:24:56 PM  
If you want to reduce deer you probably want a bigger predator like wolves or cougars.
 
2014-01-19 02:25:32 PM  
As an investor in a company that makes rocket skates, I approve.
 
2014-01-19 02:25:50 PM  
Predator population increases as prey population increases?  Who'd have thunk it?
 
2014-01-19 02:26:38 PM  
Next they'll be importing road runners to control the coyote population.
 
2014-01-19 02:27:47 PM  

Oldiron_79: If you want to reduce deer you probably want a bigger predator like wolves or cougars.


You want wolves, because wolves control coyotes too.

You don't want cougars, because cougars do not give a fark about anything.

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2014-01-19 02:28:51 PM  
I find it odd that there's actually someone who exports coyotes for a living.
 
2014-01-19 02:30:39 PM  

abhorrent1: I find it odd that there's actually someone who exports coyotes for a living.


I hear you can order one from the Acme Catalog.
 
2014-01-19 02:31:04 PM  

Oldiron_79: If you want to reduce deer you probably want a bigger predator like wolves or cougars.


Why not just expand hunting season?
 
2014-01-19 02:31:49 PM  
At last a brewing scandal which Governor Chris Christie had nothing to do with.

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Mmmmm.  Me loves Subway Venison Delite Subs

Or, didn't he?
 
2014-01-19 02:32:04 PM  

Glitchwerks: Oldiron_79: If you want to reduce deer you probably want a bigger predator like wolves or cougars.

You want wolves, because wolves control coyotes too.

You don't want cougars, because cougars do not give a fark about anything.

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I think it'd be easier for the cougar to survive than a pack of wolves. But either way, coyotes are not what you want for controlling deer. They take fawn and occasionally adult deer, but most of their food is smaller than they are, though that might change depending on environment/opportunity. However deer are probably not going to be more plentiful than rabbit/raccoon/rodents.
 
2014-01-19 02:32:11 PM  
Also, Road Runner / Wile E Coyote trifecta in play?
 
2014-01-19 02:33:35 PM  
We used to have coyotes up in north jersey at least but they gradually disappeared with commercial and residential development.
 
2014-01-19 02:34:05 PM  
So why doesn't Jersey open coyote hunting to a year round season? Looking at their regulations, your only allowed to hunt them for about two months in the fall and three months in the spring. Here in WA, it's open season on them all year long, all you need is a small game license.
 
2014-01-19 02:35:28 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: Also, Road Runner / Wile E Coyote trifecta in play?


Maybe they could just ship coyotes from Oregon to NJ and solve 2 problems?
 
2014-01-19 02:35:39 PM  
That the insurance companies and the government have not copped to coyote trafficking hasn't swayed his belief.

"I don't expect them to admit it," he said. "Why would they? There's no smoking gun. It's just a philosophy. But when enough people believe in the philosophy, it becomes more than that."


TEACH THE CONTROVERSY!
 
2014-01-19 02:35:42 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: Oldiron_79: If you want to reduce deer you probably want a bigger predator like wolves or cougars.

Why not just expand hunting season?


The problem areas with over population is in the burbs where most property owners are probably not gonna allow hunting in thier back yard.
 
2014-01-19 02:35:53 PM  
There's mountain lions too but not very many it seems
 
2014-01-19 02:36:36 PM  

Silentbob768768: We used to have coyotes up in north jersey at least but they gradually disappeared with commercial and residential development.


That actually surprises me. We have a ton of them in downtown Chicago. Heck I used to see a small pack/couple roll around Lincoln Park late at night when I lived over there. They loved getting themselves some of the thousands of rabbits per square yard there during the spring.
 
2014-01-19 02:37:46 PM  

Oldiron_79: ArcadianRefugee: Oldiron_79: If you want to reduce deer you probably want a bigger predator like wolves or cougars.

Why not just expand hunting season?

The problem areas with over population is in the burbs where most property owners are probably not gonna allow hunting in thier back yard.


So import coyotes, and the property owners will still leave their garbage unsecured and dog food out in the back yard.  What could go wrong?
 
2014-01-19 02:38:38 PM  
It's not like coyotes don't cause damage to cars when being hit by one
 
2014-01-19 02:39:23 PM  
There's more to it than Fark is telling you. These are Three Mile Island coyote descendants. The are radioactive and their scat is poisonous. If you go deep enough into the Warden Tract, you can see them faintly glowing in the dark. I don't knowwhy they imported them, but it's not for any good reason. I'm afraid to go hunting these days.
 
2014-01-19 02:40:58 PM  

redmid17: Silentbob768768: We used to have coyotes up in north jersey at least but they gradually disappeared with commercial and residential development.

That actually surprises me. We have a ton of them in downtown Chicago. Heck I used to see a small pack/couple roll around Lincoln Park late at night when I lived over there. They loved getting themselves some of the thousands of rabbits per square yard there during the spring.


I hear that Allstate imported them to control the wild buffalo downtown
 
2014-01-19 02:41:20 PM  

redmid17: Silentbob768768: We used to have coyotes up in north jersey at least but they gradually disappeared with commercial and residential development.

That actually surprises me. We have a ton of them in downtown Chicago. Heck I used to see a small pack/couple roll around Lincoln Park late at night when I lived over there. They loved getting themselves some of the thousands of rabbits per square yard there during the spring.


Growing up and watching the area develop in the last twenty years I've noticed a decline in a lot of wildlife. Used to see tons of fox n coyote. bears too...they're still around and pretty frequent but def less than prior
 
2014-01-19 02:41:55 PM  
Is there anything we can import from Australia to take care of this?
 
2014-01-19 02:42:58 PM  

drjekel_mrhyde: It's not like coyotes don't cause damage to cars when being hit by one


Coyotes aren't farking stupid like deer and will avoid it unless they are sick or something.

Deer actually run into cars.  Being a good driver doesn't always help.
 
2014-01-19 02:43:38 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: Also, Road Runner / Wile E Coyote trifecta in play?


Yeah, exactly.
 
2014-01-19 02:44:51 PM  

drjekel_mrhyde: redmid17: Silentbob768768: We used to have coyotes up in north jersey at least but they gradually disappeared with commercial and residential development.

That actually surprises me. We have a ton of them in downtown Chicago. Heck I used to see a small pack/couple roll around Lincoln Park late at night when I lived over there. They loved getting themselves some of the thousands of rabbits per square yard there during the spring.

I hear that Allstate imported them to control the wild buffalo downtown


Pretty sure the wild buffalo on Lincoln closed.
 
2014-01-19 02:45:19 PM  
So, when does Christie's plan involve bringing in apes, which will freeze to death when Winter comes?
 
2014-01-19 02:45:43 PM  

bugmn99: Is there anything we can import from Australia to take care of this?


Yes, but we'd have to go offworld to import something to take care of that scourge from Australia
 
2014-01-19 02:47:09 PM  
Super genius.
 
2014-01-19 02:47:13 PM  

Silentbob768768: There's mountain lions too but not very many it seems


NJ historically had cougars, grizzly bears, wolves, even jaguars I've heard. They were wiped out by man. The northeast was mostly forest once, and probably had every large predator present in North America.

With hunting less popular than ever it makes sense that anything that can adapt to suburban /urban areas will come back, and coyotes do quite well in other urban parts of the country. Personally, their howls would be a welcome sound.
 
2014-01-19 02:49:17 PM  
This ALWAYS works out well.
 
2014-01-19 02:52:12 PM  
Auto insurers hate NJ enough already, I highly doubt a slight up tick in comp claims was enough to push them to import a predator into the ecosystem.
 
2014-01-19 02:53:56 PM  
It never occurs to them that they can just eat the problem.
 
2014-01-19 02:54:11 PM  
Cougars tend to go after young bucks, ignoring the bitter old ones.
 
2014-01-19 02:54:55 PM  

bugmn99: Is there anything we can import from Australia to take care of this?


Tasmanian devils.  They're easily rebrandable for local folklore.
 
2014-01-19 02:57:35 PM  

Glitchwerks: Oldiron_79: If you want to reduce deer you probably want a bigger predator like wolves or cougars.

You want wolves, because wolves control coyotes too.

You don't want cougars, because cougars do not give a fark about anything.

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Another vote for wolves. Not much danger to humans, deadly for deer.
 
2014-01-19 02:57:54 PM  

Oldiron_79: If you want to reduce deer you probably want a bigger predator like wolves or cougars.


They'll eat the fawns which is a start
 
2014-01-19 03:00:11 PM  
So the crackpot theory by the 25-year-old hunter that the article is based on doesn't hold water?
 
2014-01-19 03:02:09 PM  

Glitchwerks: Oldiron_79: If you want to reduce deer you probably want a bigger predator like wolves or cougars.

You want wolves, because wolves control coyotes too.

You don't want cougars, because cougars do not give a fark about anything.


Not true.

Cougars care very much about drinking wine and banging guys who are in their twenties.

I've known a few New Jersey cougars and they can be an especially aggressive example of the breed.

/Although their accent during sex can be a bit off putting
 
2014-01-19 03:02:47 PM  

big pig peaches: Silentbob768768: There's mountain lions too but not very many it seems

NJ historically had cougars, grizzly bears, wolves, even jaguars I've heard. They were wiped out by man. The northeast was mostly forest once, and probably had every large predator present in North America.

With hunting less popular than ever it makes sense that anything that can adapt to suburban /urban areas will come back, and coyotes do quite well in other urban parts of the country. Personally, their howls would be a welcome sound.


Hunting has actually seen a resurgence over the last few years. Total number of hunting licenses has jumped over a million since 2010, to around 15 million. This is a good thing. Most of the hunting money goes to wildlife management/conservation program. Coyotes and black bears in NJ specifically are already spread out to a lot of urban areas. Also the northeast is still mostly forest. It's around 80% forested land.
 
2014-01-19 03:04:30 PM  
Jesus H. Christ, there are some stupid people in New Jersey. Coyotes were "imported" by a conspiracy between the state and insurance companies? Is there some kind of impenetrable wall to prevent them simply trotting across state lines to gorge on bambi?
 
2014-01-19 03:05:13 PM  
Coyotes?  Are they trying to control miniature deer?

Deer will take out a dog, and coyotes aren't that big.
 
2014-01-19 03:05:51 PM  

Stone Meadow: Jesus H. Christ, there are some stupid people in New Jersey. Coyotes were "imported" by a conspiracy between the state and insurance companies? Is there some kind of impenetrable wall to prevent them simply trotting across state lines to gorge on bambi?


No opposable thumbs.  They can't sign the permits.
 
2014-01-19 03:08:14 PM  

rohar: ArcadianRefugee: Also, Road Runner / Wile E Coyote trifecta in play?

Maybe they could just ship coyotes from Oregon to NJ and solve 2 problems?


My thoughts exactly.
 
2014-01-19 03:12:27 PM  

simplicimus: Glitchwerks: Oldiron_79: If you want to reduce deer you probably want a bigger predator like wolves or cougars.

You want wolves, because wolves control coyotes too.

You don't want cougars, because cougars do not give a fark about anything.

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Another vote for wolves. Not much danger to humans, deadly for deer.


Lots of livestock up here though
 
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