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(UPI)   Egyptian election officials confirm voters approved of the new Constitution. 98% of them approved, in fact, a statistic that in no way should be seen as even remotely artificially inflated, no not at all, you can trust us   (upi.com) divider line 22
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2014-01-19 08:52:35 AM  
Only 35% of the electorate turned out. THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE
 
2014-01-19 09:05:27 AM  
When the opposition boycotts, it's easy to get near 100%. I doubt the opposition will accept the results either.
 
2014-01-19 09:07:48 AM  
"Constitution"

They keep using that word....
 
2014-01-19 09:08:50 AM  
So... the boycott was a success, then?

The opposition hasn't been very accepting of anything for quite some time, so that's nothing new.
 
2014-01-19 09:16:23 AM  
i2.kym-cdn.com
 
2014-01-19 09:16:26 AM  
Pfft


Saddam and Stalin got 99% of the votes
 
2014-01-19 09:51:19 AM  
Don't these people realise that it's much more plausible if you only rig the elections in a few key regions which are already seen to be marginal?
 
2014-01-19 09:58:51 AM  
Meh, the Egyptians have a choice between a military dictatorship or a religious dictatorship. The ones who actually want democracy are in the minority.
 
2014-01-19 10:14:09 AM  
Does Egypt has Voter's ID laws?
 
2014-01-19 10:30:58 AM  
I'll tip my hat...

/fooled
 
2014-01-19 11:09:18 AM  
Should it be pointed out that the Constitution was a minor complaint and was being addressed by the judiciary, but that Morsi's unilateral changing of that Constitution is what provoked the crisis?
 
2014-01-19 11:13:08 AM  
98% is probably correct and non-fraudulent. The people opposed to the Constitution boycotted the vote, which was woefully unproductive considering they likely would have defeated it.
 
2014-01-19 11:34:13 AM  
What percentage of Americans voted on the US Constitution?  Yeah.

Constitution writing seems to be a tricky thing. You want your best, brightest, and most rights supporting people writing them. But how do you get those people? Popular vote? Then you end up with politicians who are probably none of the above. So say you go by appointed figures who are to be the best, brightest, and most rights supporting. Oh, but wait, who is it that appoints them? And then once it's written, do you have a popular vote to approve it? If yes, though, doesn't that smack of having a majority vote on what rights people do and don't have...which can lead to a majority vote on the rights of minorities.

It's a messy business.
 
2014-01-19 11:49:26 AM  

WorldCitizen: What percentage of Americans voted on the US Constitution?  Yeah.

Constitution writing seems to be a tricky thing. You want your best, brightest, and most rights supporting people writing them. But how do you get those people? Popular vote? Then you end up with politicians who are probably none of the above. So say you go by appointed figures who are to be the best, brightest, and most rights supporting. Oh, but wait, who is it that appoints them? And then once it's written, do you have a popular vote to approve it? If yes, though, doesn't that smack of having a majority vote on what rights people do and don't have...which can lead to a majority vote on the rights of minorities.

It's a messy business.


It is, and this Constitution is substantively better than the last one- largely because popular opinion was kind of shoved aside. The first one elected a representative constitutional assembly, which meant the islamists got what they wanted. This one was just a put everybody in a room, and don't allow any faction other than the military to dominate on their issues. As a result, they got a more balanced document with more protections built in. The military is guaranteed a very strong role and given some distasteful powers, but they phase themselves out over time.

And yes, I believe the vote. The opposition boycotted the vote to make it look illegitimate. But the Constitution will still take effect, and elections will be held under its provisions. Governments of the world will recognize that government formed then, and eventually the opposition will be forced to accept it as fait accompli and participate in the process if they want any say at all.
 
2014-01-19 12:25:08 PM  

Doktor_Zhivago: Only 35% of the electorate turned out. THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE


That's what makes me a little bit suspicious. It's not unusual for a "People's Democracy" to have 98% support for the Government with a 98% turnout, but it is completely unheard of for any other kind of regime to have 98% support with a low turnout unless the Opposition completely boycotts the Election.

It looks like the military held an Election and nobody but the military came.
 
2014-01-19 01:04:53 PM  
I blame ACORN
 
2014-01-19 01:50:04 PM  

brantgoose: unless the Opposition completely boycotts the Election.


Which is exactly what they did. As anyone who's followed this at all in the last month or two knew. There was a planned and well organized boycott of this vote.

That's not to say the deck wasn't stacked in other ways, with lots of propaganda and shutting down other viewpoints, but the vote tally itself is likely legitimate.
 
2014-01-19 02:03:53 PM  

WorldCitizen: What percentage of Americans voted on the US Constitution?  Yeah.

Constitution writing seems to be a tricky thing. You want your best, brightest, and most rights supporting people writing them. But how do you get those people? Popular vote? Then you end up with politicians who are probably none of the above. So say you go by appointed figures who are to be the best, brightest, and most rights supporting. Oh, but wait, who is it that appoints them? And then once it's written, do you have a popular vote to approve it? If yes, though, doesn't that smack of having a majority vote on what rights people do and don't have...which can lead to a majority vote on the rights of minorities.

It's a messy business.


I would still be in favor of an updated American Constitution. Specify a separation of church and state, and a right (when you're of age and not a felon) to vote without laws like IDs, among other things. That way the Constitution-thumpers can shove off about how literal a 200-some year old document is compared to our current lives.
 
2014-01-19 03:12:48 PM  

Triple Oak: I would still be in favor of an updated American Constitution. Specify a separation of church and state, and a right (when you're of age and not a felon) to vote without laws like IDs, among other things. That way the Constitution-thumpers can shove off about how literal a 200-some year old document is compared to our current lives.


I would of course like some at least amendments to the US Constitution to make it more functional for the 21st Century. Yes, a clearer separation between religion and state. Much clearer definitions on what weapons rights. Giving Congress clearer authority on 21st century issues such as health care. But again, who would be the people approving and ratifying such things? Well, the same people who are in charge now. So, that's obviously not going to work.
 
2014-01-19 03:19:28 PM  
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2014-01-19 04:49:16 PM  

cptjeff: It is, and this Constitution is substantively better than the last one- largely because popular opinion was kind of shoved aside. The first one elected a representative constitutional assembly, which meant the islamists got what they wanted. This one was just a put everybody in a room, and don't allow any faction other than the military to dominate on their issues. As a result, they got a more balanced document with more protections built in. The military is guaranteed a very strong role and given some distasteful powers, but they phase themselves out over time.


Yeah...I'll believe that when it happens.

Doesn't matter if you're religious or secular: When you get power, you don't give it up easily.  That's why Egyptians are screwed with either of the prevailing powers, here.

/Arab Spring 2014...coming to an Egypt near you.
 
2014-01-19 05:57:25 PM  

Infernalist: Should it be pointed out that the Constitution was a minor complaint and was being addressed by the judiciary, but that Morsi's unilateral changing of that Constitution is what provoked the crisis?


Why bother with the facts ? It was a conspiracy! created by Israel! yeah that's it.
 
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