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2014-01-19 05:50:53 AM  
"Many residents mountain lions say  mountain lions residents have terrorized their hillside community in the last year"

FTFY, whiners
 
2014-01-19 06:12:54 AM  
You don't need to outrun the mountain lion. You need to outrun your friend.
 
2014-01-19 07:23:53 AM  
Shame you don't have a gun of some kind to kill it with.

/Why would you ever need to protect you family with a weapon?
//Give your children a lesson in mother nature. Let the lion eat Scruffy the dog in front of them.
 
2014-01-19 07:32:20 AM  
Too bad there isn't one around here, there are at least a dozen stray cats in my neighborhood it could snack on.
 
2014-01-19 07:34:17 AM  

ReapTheChaos: Too bad there isn't one around here, there are at least a dozen stray cats in my neighborhood it could snack on.


Coyote's do a good job of taking care of cats too.

/One took care of my cat :(
 
2014-01-19 07:36:04 AM  

enry: You don't need to outrun the mountain lion. You need to outrun your friend.


DING DING!
 
2014-01-19 07:37:26 AM  

ReapTheChaos: Too bad there isn't one around here, there are at least a dozen stray cats in my neighborhood it could snack on.

kill the stray cats and either the rats or squirrels take over. at least cats don't usually get into cars and garages and chew up everything.

 
2014-01-19 07:45:35 AM  
WTF? The story at the bottom is better

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/sd-business-aims-to-combine-bullets-and- be er/

DEADWOOD, S.D. -- A businessman in the western South Dakota gambling town of Deadwood wants to combine an indoor shooting range with a saloon.
 
2014-01-19 07:48:08 AM  

styckx: WTF? The story at the bottom is better

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/sd-business-aims-to-combine-bullets-and- be er/

DEADWOOD, S.D. -- A businessman in the western South Dakota gambling town of Deadwood wants to combine an indoor shooting range with a saloon.


It can be done safely.

Want to buy a beer? Your hand gets marked with ink. Hand marked with ink? No guns for you.

/Went to an open range day like that
//Tons of fun
 
2014-01-19 07:52:56 AM  
FTFA:
~~The California Department of Fish and Game advises residents to take the following precautions:
Do not feed deer; it is illegal in California and it will attract mountain lions,
Trim brush to reduce hiding places for mountain lions,
Don't allow pets outside when mountain lions are most active, at dawn, at dusk and at night,
Bring pet food inside to avoid attracting raccoons, opossums and other potential mountain lion prey,
Do not leave small children or pets outside unattended,
Install motion-sensitive lighting around the house,
Do not hike, bike, or jog alone.
Avoid hiking or jogging when mountain lions are most active,
Do not approach a mountain lion,
If you encounter a mountain lion, do not run; instead, face the animal, make noise and try to look bigger by waving your arms; throw rocks or other objects. Pick up small children,
If attacked, fight back,
If a mountain lion attacks a person, immediately call 911.

This is the response for the people asking for some assistance. Really WOW. Here is better advise:

Buy a gun. Use said gun on the mountain lion......pray you don't just piss it off.

//seriously if attacked, fight back!! WTF????
///Also if you see the mountain lion before you get your guts ripped out you are doing better than most prey.
 
2014-01-19 08:02:52 AM  

yousaywut: FTFA:
~~The California Department of Fish and Game advises residents to take the following precautions:
Do not feed deer; it is illegal in California and it will attract mountain lions,
Trim brush to reduce hiding places for mountain lions,
Don't allow pets outside when mountain lions are most active, at dawn, at dusk and at night,
Bring pet food inside to avoid attracting raccoons, opossums and other potential mountain lion prey,
Do not leave small children or pets outside unattended,
Install motion-sensitive lighting around the house,
Do not hike, bike, or jog alone.
Avoid hiking or jogging when mountain lions are most active,
Do not approach a mountain lion,
If you encounter a mountain lion, do not run; instead, face the animal, make noise and try to look bigger by waving your arms; throw rocks or other objects. Pick up small children,
If attacked, fight back,
If a mountain lion attacks a person, immediately call 911.

This is the response for the people asking for some assistance. Really WOW. Here is better advise:

Buy a gun. Use said gun on the mountain lion......pray you don't just piss it off.

//seriously if attacked, fight back!! WTF????
///Also if you see the mountain lion before you get your guts ripped out you are doing better than most prey.


Yeah.
Pick up small children? Really?
Are people stupid enough to need advice like this?
 
2014-01-19 08:18:12 AM  

JoieD'Zen: yousaywut: FTFA:
~~The California Department of Fish and Game advises residents to take the following precautions:
Do not feed deer; it is illegal in California and it will attract mountain lions,
Trim brush to reduce hiding places for mountain lions,
Don't allow pets outside when mountain lions are most active, at dawn, at dusk and at night,
Bring pet food inside to avoid attracting raccoons, opossums and other potential mountain lion prey,
Do not leave small children or pets outside unattended,
Install motion-sensitive lighting around the house,
Do not hike, bike, or jog alone.
Avoid hiking or jogging when mountain lions are most active,
Do not approach a mountain lion,
If you encounter a mountain lion, do not run; instead, face the animal, make noise and try to look bigger by waving your arms; throw rocks or other objects. Pick up small children,
If attacked, fight back,
If a mountain lion attacks a person, immediately call 911.

This is the response for the people asking for some assistance. Really WOW. Here is better advise:

Buy a gun. Use said gun on the mountain lion......pray you don't just piss it off.

//seriously if attacked, fight back!! WTF????
///Also if you see the mountain lion before you get your guts ripped out you are doing better than most prey.

Yeah.
Pick up small children? Really?
Are people stupid enough to need advice like this?


unfortunately yes......  yes they are.

//also the jogging with a partner is only good if you can outrun them.
 
2014-01-19 08:26:14 AM  

fluffy2097: ReapTheChaos: Too bad there isn't one around here, there are at least a dozen stray cats in my neighborhood it could snack on.

Coyote's do a good job of taking care of cats too.

/One took care of my cat :(


Bummer.  A great-horned owl got an old kitty that belonged to a neighbor.
 
2014-01-19 08:29:17 AM  

yousaywut: FTFA:
//seriously if attacked, fight back!! WTF????



This is a valid point, as many outdoor articles instruct you to play dead when attacked by some animals. When a mountain lion attacks, the most usual method is to go for the throat and clamp. Playing dead is not an option.
 
2014-01-19 08:31:59 AM  
I heard Mt. Lions like to go for car rides...


www.cinecultist.com
 
2014-01-19 08:35:57 AM  

JoieD'Zen: yousaywut: FTFA:
~~The California Department of Fish and Game advises residents to take the following precautions:
Do not feed deer; it is illegal in California and it will attract mountain lions,
Trim brush to reduce hiding places for mountain lions,
Don't allow pets outside when mountain lions are most active, at dawn, at dusk and at night,
Bring pet food inside to avoid attracting raccoons, opossums and other potential mountain lion prey,
Do not leave small children or pets outside unattended,
Install motion-sensitive lighting around the house,
Do not hike, bike, or jog alone.
Avoid hiking or jogging when mountain lions are most active,
Do not approach a mountain lion,
If you encounter a mountain lion, do not run; instead, face the animal, make noise and try to look bigger by waving your arms; throw rocks or other objects. Pick up small children,
If attacked, fight back,
If a mountain lion attacks a person, immediately call 911.

This is the response for the people asking for some assistance. Really WOW. Here is better advise:

Buy a gun. Use said gun on the mountain lion......pray you don't just piss it off.

//seriously if attacked, fight back!! WTF????
///Also if you see the mountain lion before you get your guts ripped out you are doing better than most prey.

Yeah.
Pick up small children? Really?
Are people stupid enough to need advice like this?



The problem is they didn't finish fully explain this item.  It should have read, "pick up small children, hurl them  at the lion, run like hell."
 
2014-01-19 08:42:10 AM  
All of the recent attacks in the L.A. basin were on joggers. They were attacked from behind; you never see the lion until it's on your throat.

In India, harvesters wear human masks on the back of their head. It seems to deter tiger attacks.
 
2014-01-19 08:42:54 AM  

Captain Swoop: yousaywut: FTFA:
//seriously if attacked, fight back!! WTF????

This is a valid point, as many outdoor articles instruct you to play dead when attacked by some animals. When a mountain lion attacks, the most usual method is to go for the throat and clamp. Playing dead is not an option.



I know I was just wondering how well you fight back with teeth in your throat and claws pulling out your guts.

/ It should say if attacked pray for a quick a death.
//yes you can survive an attack.... no you are not Tarzan.
 
2014-01-19 08:43:29 AM  
Why the fark are you leaving your dogs out all night? Please don't get another pet you idiots.
 
2014-01-19 08:57:03 AM  
i would totally fark up a 100 pound mountain lion
 
2014-01-19 08:59:09 AM  
My elementary school was recently on lockout because of a mountain lion sighting so I'm getting a kick.

/Denver suburb
//not an outer ring suburb
///had an elk wandering down our street one night, too
 
2014-01-19 09:00:34 AM  
static1.businessinsider.com
 
dh2
2014-01-19 09:02:05 AM  
Like tigers in India, living next door to big cats means things like this will continue to happen, unless we find some new way to dissuade the cougars from 'interacting' with people and their animals.
My grandfather http://www.beyondnootka.com/biographies/john_smith.html was a cougar bounty hunter on Vancouver Island starting in the 1890's, and provide what was an essential service at that time. Cattle and children were being lost to cougars, and co-existence wasn't deemed an option in a pioneering society. Hopefully we can do better.
 
2014-01-19 09:07:56 AM  
If you encounter a mountain lion, shout "ooh! Big kitty!" and run over to pet it. It'll be so confused it won't know what to do.

Yes, I watched too many cartoons as a kid.
 
2014-01-19 09:08:03 AM  

dh2: Like tigers in India, living next door to big cats means things like this will continue to happen, unless we find some new way to dissuade the cougars from 'interacting' with people and their animals.
My grandfather http://www.beyondnootka.com/biographies/john_smith.html was a cougar bounty hunter on Vancouver Island starting in the 1890's, and provide what was an essential service at that time. Cattle and children were being lost to cougars, and co-existence wasn't deemed an option in a pioneering society. Hopefully we can do better.



ummm no we can't do better. Big cats eat small people and animals. They are not evil they are just hungry and we moved into their living space not the other way around. Also for their size they are some sneaky quiet farkers.


//choice will come down to kill the cat or let them eat your babies and dogs and cats for that matter.
///I want one they are soooo cool.
 
2014-01-19 09:15:19 AM  

JoieD'Zen: yousaywut: FTFA:
~~The California Department of Fish and Game advises residents to take the following precautions:
Do not feed deer; it is illegal in California and it will attract mountain lions,
Trim brush to reduce hiding places for mountain lions,
Don't allow pets outside when mountain lions are most active, at dawn, at dusk and at night,
Bring pet food inside to avoid attracting raccoons, opossums and other potential mountain lion prey,
Do not leave small children or pets outside unattended,
Install motion-sensitive lighting around the house,
Do not hike, bike, or jog alone.
Avoid hiking or jogging when mountain lions are most active,
Do not approach a mountain lion,
If you encounter a mountain lion, do not run; instead, face the animal, make noise and try to look bigger by waving your arms; throw rocks or other objects. Pick up small children,
If attacked, fight back,
If a mountain lion attacks a person, immediately call 911.

This is the response for the people asking for some assistance. Really WOW. Here is better advise:

Buy a gun. Use said gun on the mountain lion......pray you don't just piss it off.

//seriously if attacked, fight back!! WTF????
///Also if you see the mountain lion before you get your guts ripped out you are doing better than most prey.

Yeah.
Pick up small children? Really?
Are people stupid enough to need advice like this?


YES !!
 
2014-01-19 09:19:05 AM  
Chihuahua mix outside at 2 AM?? Even after discovering a mountain lion had taken their neighbor's boxer at 3 AM on a previous night?

Murderous, negligent shiat for brain farks.

Time for their names to be placed on an animal abuse list (like Deblasio is developing in NY).
 
2014-01-19 09:32:09 AM  

ObliqueAsymptote: Chihuahua mix outside at 2 AM?? Even after discovering a mountain lion had taken their neighbor's boxer at 3 AM on a previous night?

Murderous, negligent shiat for brain farks.

Time for their names to be placed on an animal abuse list (like Deblasio is developing in NY).


There's supposedly someone creating a national registry.

hopefully they can get it done
 
2014-01-19 09:33:58 AM  

JoieD'Zen: Pick up small children? Really?


Yeah, you can use them as a shield.
 
2014-01-19 09:42:10 AM  
"they spotted a mountain lion - presumably the same one - run off with their chihuahua mix"...... So, the lion prefers Cornish Game Dog? Up here on the CA/OR border we see Lions all the time. There's at least 2 roaming around near town right now. Keep pets inside and have a bullet proof chicken coop. Own a gun in case a lion (or a tweaker) jumps a family member. Don't go out to the north forty to take a leak at night. On and on. It's common sense if you live in the woods.
 
2014-01-19 10:04:32 AM  

yousaywut: Buy a gun. Use said gun on the mountain lion


Difficulty: California.

/thanks. Reagan
 
2014-01-19 10:09:02 AM  

BiblioTech: My elementary school was recently on lockout because of a mountain lion sighting so I'm getting a kick.

/Denver suburb
//not an outer ring suburb
///had an elk wandering down our street one night, too


Do your parents know that you are posting on the internets?
 
2014-01-19 10:11:45 AM  
If there were any mountain lions around here, there wouldn't be so many damned deer

/damned things are a serious road hazard
//lions might keep the bears out of the back yard, too
///endzone, not so much
 
2014-01-19 10:18:02 AM  

King Something: yousaywut: Buy a gun. Use said gun on the mountain lion

Difficulty: California.

/thanks. Reagan



sad..... true..... bring a big stick.....

//I think I would have to move
 
2014-01-19 10:20:20 AM  
farm4.staticflickr.com

When I run across Mountain Lion I just finish it off with bottom-shelf vodka.
 
2014-01-19 10:28:08 AM  
When I worked on contract with the Nature Conservancy doing vegetation surveys in OK, my partner and I encountered a mountain lion running concentrically smaller circles around us during a late summer afternoon. I insisted we get in the car and head back to the base cabin.
 
2014-01-19 10:41:25 AM  
The only problem here is irresponsible pet owners letting pets go unattended. If a mountain lion (or a coyote) snatches your pet... or even if it gets hit by a car or any number of other possible awful things... it's your fault. If a mountain lion ate your dog or cat or guinea pig, it's because someone allowed the situation to happen.
 
2014-01-19 11:15:33 AM  

yousaywut: FTFA:
~~The California Department of Fish and Game advises residents to take the following precautions:
Do not feed deer; it is illegal in California and it will attract mountain lions,
Trim brush to reduce hiding places for mountain lions,
Don't allow pets outside when mountain lions are most active, at dawn, at dusk and at night,
Bring pet food inside to avoid attracting raccoons, opossums and other potential mountain lion prey,
Do not leave small children or pets outside unattended,
Install motion-sensitive lighting around the house,
Do not hike, bike, or jog alone.
Avoid hiking or jogging when mountain lions are most active,
Do not approach a mountain lion,
If you encounter a mountain lion, do not run; instead, face the animal, make noise and try to look bigger by waving your arms; throw rocks or other objects. Pick up small children,
If attacked, fight back,
If a mountain lion attacks a person, immediately call 911.

This is the response for the people asking for some assistance. Really WOW. Here is better advise:

Buy a gun. Use said gun on the mountain lion......pray you don't just piss it off.

//seriously if attacked, fight back!! WTF????
///Also if you see the mountain lion before you get your guts ripped out you are doing better than most prey.


Yes, fight back. It works. A couple here was attacked and they fought it off. Though the man was nearly killed, they did survive. A little research will help you with that problem there silly man.
 
2014-01-19 11:18:01 AM  

enry: You don't need to outrun the mountain lion. You need to outrun your friend.


Same for Grizzly Bears.
 
2014-01-19 11:34:46 AM  
Don't keep your shiatty, untrained rat dog outside at night or unattended.

Problem solved.
 
2014-01-19 11:37:59 AM  

yousaywut: If a mountain lion attacks a person, immediately call 911.


When seconds count, the police will be there in minutes.
 
2014-01-19 11:40:03 AM  
 
2014-01-19 11:42:36 AM  

lenfromak: yousaywut: If a mountain lion attacks a person, immediately call 911.

When seconds count, the police will be there in minutes.


Last time I was attacked by a mountain lion I just told that mountain lion that I was calling 911 and he stopped right in his tracks. Yep, sure as hell he did, and yannowhat? I didn't even have my damn phone with me. Dumb creature!
 
2014-01-19 11:44:50 AM  

dh2: Like tigers in India, living next door to big cats means things like this will continue to happen, unless we find some new way to dissuade the cougars from 'interacting' with people and their animals.
My grandfather http://www.beyondnootka.com/biographies/john_smith.html was a cougar bounty hunter on Vancouver Island starting in the 1890's, and provide what was an essential service at that time. Cattle and children were being lost to cougars, and co-existence wasn't deemed an option in a pioneering society. Hopefully we can do better.




California cannot do better because of our ongoing experiment with direct democracy. There was a bounty on mountain lions in California for most of the twentieth century. By the late 60's, they were close to extinct. Hunting them was banned, and their population began to recover. By 1990 Fish and Game felt that the population had recovered sufficiently that it was time to allow limited hunting of the cats again. Proposition 117 was put on the ballot, and ads were circulated that gave the impression that the cats were an endangered species. It passed, and put the cats in a specially protected status. Fish and Game's hands are tied. "We moved into their living space" - well, I guess you can say this if you count all of California as their living space. There are people having to deal with the threat of these large predators for the first time in their lives who have resided in the same place for upwards of fifty years. I've lived where I do now since 1995, and saw one for the first time about a mile from here one hot evening last summer. When I was a kid, my father lived in Georgetown, CA and I used to go on walks through the woods by myself for miles. This would not be a safe activity for a lone ten year old now. But even walking on city streets is getting risky.

While on a walk with her small son in a stroller and the family dog, Kensington resident Monika Yilmaz spotted a mountain lion next to a home on Lake Drive in Kensington about 3:30 p.m. Friday, Yilmaz told Patch.

She was on a fire trail just behind Lake Drive homes at a location about 2,000 feet north of the Berkeley border and about the same distance east of the Little Farm in Tilden Park.

She was taking her daily walk, accompanied by her three-year-old son and their dog, a male boxer, when she saw the big cat sitting "completely still" on a landing beside the home, she said.

At first she thought it was a statue and even paused to point it out to her son. Only when it moved did she realize that it was live cougar, at which point her heart began pounding as she took off running with the stroller and dog, she said. The mountain lion loped off in the opposite direction, toward the front of the house facing Lake Drive, she said.

Mountain Lion Encounter Reported by Mom with Child in Stroller

Efseaff said he got a report that two hikers and a dog encountered a mountain lion Saturday near Brown's Hole, deep into upper Bidwell Park and in a brushy area.

On the Yahi Trail, the hikers ran away when they saw the mountain lion, but said the dog, a lab-pit bull mix, got between them and the mountain lion.

"It was a mid-afternoon attack. That raises our concern," Efseaff said, adding that the mountain lion could have been stalking the hikers.

Efseaff said the city immediately contacted Fish and Wildlife, and wildlife trackers were called in. They found the dog's remains a couple of days later, Efseaff said.

Chico warns Bidwell Park users to be cautious after mountain lion sighted

It was a jarring discovery residents on Ritchie Circle in Chico, Tuesday morning. A full grown mountain lion, stalking prey in their back yards. "The first I've heard of it was this morning from one of my daycare parents, who lives over down the street, and apparently it was in her back yard, and the neighbor saw it," according to resident, Keeley Davisson.

Ray Peck has lived in the neighborhood for over two decades, and says he never expected a large predator would make it to his neck of the woods. "It was surprising to me because we're not close to the edge of town, and the animal must have come through the (lindo) channel."

The witness, who declined to speak on camera, told our crews the cat weighted at least 200 pounds, and estimated it was closer than 10 yards away from his back door. Despite the certainty of the witness, Kyle Orr, from the Department of Fish and Wildlife says they can't verify the sighting. "Because a sighting is not verified, that does not necessarily mean that there is not a mountain lion present. They're very elusive animals, they don't always leave behind signs they were there."

Mountain Lion Spotted In Chico Neighborhood
This is happening all over California.
 
2014-01-19 11:47:27 AM  
A more direct link to the story.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/16817149/#.UtwBNN074lU
 
2014-01-19 12:00:36 PM  

enry: You don't need to outrun the mountain lion. You need to outrun your friend.


Came here to say this.

Funny thing is one of my best friends told me that when we were hiking in Yellowstone regarding Grizzly Bears.  He told me if one attacks, he'd be safe...because he could outrun me.  That was comforting.  :)
 
2014-01-19 12:09:14 PM  

Somacandra: When I worked on contract with the Nature Conservancy doing vegetation surveys in OK, my partner and I encountered a mountain lion running concentrically smaller circles around us during a late summer afternoon. I insisted we get in the car and head back to the base cabin.


That seems like a wise choice.

On another note:

The only time I've been close to a mountain lion, it was in the act of chasing two deer. Deer are not particularly small animals, nor are they slow ones. Mountain Lions are faster, and they eat deer as their primary prey. Will they eat a small dog that you leave in a nice, confined area? Yes. They'll also steal sheep, goats, and calves from ranchers. Small children are easy targets. You're not a particularly difficult target either.

This is the thing about cats: They are nature's most perfectly evolved predator. The small ones are going to take care of small game like absolutely nothing else. Most of us have witnessed it at some point. The big ones, like Mountain Lions? Well, you know what your kitty does to mice? They do that to deer. And, if given the chance, people. We're used to thinking of ourselves at the top of the food chain, but we evolved to use tools to kill. Cats evolved to be very, very good at killing without them.
 
2014-01-19 12:14:47 PM  
Repo Man:This is happening all over California.

Very interesting. I've lived in a small town in Orange County for a few years now and we've always been warned about the coyotes snagging cats, but lately the coyotes and now mountain lions are getting very aggressive. I never used to worry because there are so many rabbits here I figured why would they bother with humans with so many tasty little guys out there, but I guess this was a little naive.

Not only have coyotes killed a couple large dogs on leashes with their owners in the last month but mountain lion sightings have gone way up. My neighbour across the street had one sitting on her lawn in the late afternoon last week. Something seems to be going on with the critters.
 
2014-01-19 12:25:14 PM  

Raindogday: Repo Man:This is happening all over California.

Very interesting. I've lived in a small town in Orange County for a few years now and we've always been warned about the coyotes snagging cats, but lately the coyotes and now mountain lions are getting very aggressive. I never used to worry because there are so many rabbits here I figured why would they bother with humans with so many tasty little guys out there, but I guess this was a little naive.

Not only have coyotes killed a couple large dogs on leashes with their owners in the last month but mountain lion sightings have gone way up. My neighbour across the street had one sitting on her lawn in the late afternoon last week. Something seems to be going on with the critters.


Heh... I'm in Georgetown right now, so I'm getting a kick...

/I've been here 9 years: no reports of lions in this area
//other side of the canyon a few years ago, but that's about 15 miles away
 
2014-01-19 12:26:12 PM  
Jesus christ!

farm5.staticflickr.com
 
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