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(The Atlantic)   Apparently, the best model for childhood education was developed in 19th century Germany. You know what else was developed in 19th century Germany?   (theatlantic.com) divider line 30
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2014-01-19 08:55:15 AM  
7 votes:
The author gets a few things wrong.  New York Public schools are not awful.  Some of them are.  Some are the best in the world.  However, he doesn't want to acknowledge this because it defeats his narrative that Unions are bad.  Also, in one paragraph, he states that the reason things are the same is because the Unions and tenured professors want to keep things that way, in the next paragraph he states that it is the administrators.  There are no school administrators in the teachers' union.  Perhaps he should research the subject a bit more before deciding he is an education expert and writing a book.
2014-01-19 08:48:30 AM  
5 votes:
FTFA: "Why would we only have one school?"

Because when you force the wealthiest put their children right next to the all the plebs, you're going to get better education for the plebs than if you didn't. I don't care that this will reduce the quality of education of the wealthiest, they're going to do fine based upon their "merit" of winning the ability to inherit large amounts of wealth.
2014-01-19 08:39:13 AM  
5 votes:
Wasn't that the system designed to churn out moderately educated stock for the army while indoctrinating them with patriotism?
2014-01-19 10:30:47 AM  
3 votes:
<i>To the communists who post on Fark, it's all about forcing rich people to give you what they have. They tune out the wonderful examples of why this doesn't work, from the 20th century.

Good education and acquisition of knowledge and skills has nothing to do with rich people. It has to with the middle class, which is eventually damaged by socialism and gutted by communism.

Fact: inner city schools are largely awful because of the political machines that run those cities and govt policies that discourage keeping families intact and setting meaningful goals in life.</i>

First, I'd say the evidence is in from the lat 20th century and capitalism can and does do the very thing you attribute to communism and socialism if you let it.  Since the 1970s as the US has become more and more "business friendly" the income of the top 1%, adjusted for inflation has increased 282%.  This is while the incomes for the next highest 4% increased only 50%.  Incomes for the bottom 80% declined slightly.   (reference here. Look for the first paper under the Income Inequality heading).

Your "fact" about inner city schools isn't really correct.  Inner-city problems stem mostly from a lack of opportunity and a flight of a large portion of people earning good incomes and the loss of tax revenue that entails.  Couple that with crappy public transportation (like here in STL where a car trip taking 20-30 minutes can take almost two hours on a bus) and you end up with large populations of the poor and poorly educated who have almost no access to jobs paying enough for them to lift themselves out of poverty or provide a modest, but sufficient standard of living.

Don't tell me that these people should move.  Many barely have the resources to live where they do and can't afford housing elsewhere.  The suburban areas where they could find employment tend not to have enough public or subsidized housing for the low-income populations they already have and actively resist resettling more low-income people in their communities.  The more ambitious suburban communities will move to eliminate low-income areas by shifting new retail and office developments into those areas.  You see this a lot here in St Louis coupled with lots of government subsidies like TIF.  State law also allows eminent domain for private development so anyone who doesn't take the buyout gets tossed out.

The "War on Drugs" also creates problems because of how police enforce those laws.  Blacks and other minorities use drugs in about the same proportion as whites, yet blacks are arrested and go to prison in much higher proportion for drug crimes than whites.  Once you have a conviction, many many opportunities are closed to you from jobs to education and beyond.

The evidence is pretty clear.  The problems are plutocracy, racism, and unfettered capitalism not socialism, corrupt politicians, or laziness.

/your mother was a hamster
//your father smelt of elderberries
2014-01-19 10:12:58 AM  
3 votes:

mgshamster: Animatronik: pueblonative: jgbrowning: FTFA: "Why would we only have one school?"

Because when you force the wealthiest put their children right next to the all the plebs, you're going to get better education for the plebs than if you didn't. I don't care that this will reduce the quality of education of the wealthiest, they're going to do fine based upon their "merit" of winning the ability to inherit large amounts of wealth.

Except that's never going to happen.  Even if you were to somehow ban private schools and require public education, the rich would either fly the kiddies out of the country to an expensive "boarding school" somewhere or get together in a ridiculously high priced district.

To the communists who post on Fark, it's all about forcing rich people to give you what they have. They tune out the wonderful examples of why this doesn't work, from the 20th century.

Good education and acquisition of knowledge and skills has nothing to do with rich people. It has to with the middle class, which is eventually damaged by socialism and gutted by communism.

Fact: inner city schools are largely awful because of the political machines that run those cities and govt policies that discourage keeping families intact and setting meaningful goals in life.

Because trickle down economics has done such a bang up job protecting the middle class.


Blaming the increasingly unequal distribution of the wealth of this nation (created through labor) that we've seen over the past 30 years on socialism and communism let me know he ain't none too bright. Blaming the "librul-machine" for creating "anti-marriage" and "pro-laziness" policies for creating awful schools was enough to confirm that he's just another Potato Thinker to be ignored.
2014-01-19 08:52:21 AM  
3 votes:
Karl Marx?
2014-01-19 08:39:19 AM  
3 votes:
Beer purity laws?
2014-01-19 09:51:02 AM  
2 votes:
Sure. I want future policy analysis from Glen Reynolds, a rightwing derper, who seems into sex-robots as a vision of the future.

Online education is just as good as a college classroom just as sex with a robot is as good or better than sex and social relations with a real life woman.
2014-01-19 09:38:05 AM  
2 votes:

pueblonative: jgbrowning: FTFA: "Why would we only have one school?"

Because when you force the wealthiest put their children right next to the all the plebs, you're going to get better education for the plebs than if you didn't. I don't care that this will reduce the quality of education of the wealthiest, they're going to do fine based upon their "merit" of winning the ability to inherit large amounts of wealth.

Except that's never going to happen.  Even if you were to somehow ban private schools and require public education, the rich would either fly the kiddies out of the country to an expensive "boarding school" somewhere or get together in a ridiculously high priced district.


To the communists who post on Fark, it's all about forcing rich people to give you what they have. They tune out the wonderful examples of why this doesn't work, from the 20th century.

Good education and acquisition of knowledge and skills has nothing to do with rich people. It has to with the middle class, which is eventually damaged by socialism and gutted by communism.

Fact: inner city schools are largely awful because of the political machines that run those cities and govt policies that discourage keeping families intact and setting meaningful goals in life.
2014-01-19 09:19:31 AM  
2 votes:

Snarfangel: I don't know a lot about the topic, and I can speak in vague generalities. Do you think being a successful author is right for me?


Go for it man. Just blame everything on the unions, talk about how awesome homeschooling is and give lots of interviews where you say as little as possible. You might wanna take ten minutes to skim a couple Wiki pages first, but don't go crazy.
2014-01-19 09:10:42 AM  
2 votes:
In Germany (and some of Germany's neighbors) they have separate high schools and middle schools for the "college bound" students and for the "vocation bound" students. Voc school's classroom time ends at age 16 while college bound ends at age 18. We have some of that here. What we don't have, that they do have, is a willingness to sort out which child goes to which type of school at age 9. Yes, children of Turkish or African immigrants are more likely to be sorted to the lower track. But few in Germany care about this. They see school as a rough meritocracy and not as a place where we try to alleviate other social problems.
2014-01-19 08:43:19 AM  
2 votes:
Ha! Joke's on you, Subby. Hitler was born in Australia.
2014-01-19 08:42:45 AM  
2 votes:
Pressed tin toy railways?
2014-01-19 08:40:05 AM  
2 votes:
The 4-stroke internal combustion engine?
2014-01-19 08:34:26 AM  
2 votes:
Bismarck, the First German Reich, and the situations that would create the First World War at the start if the 20th Century?
2014-01-19 05:35:45 PM  
1 votes:
inner city schools are crap because they are designed to be crap.

To quote Judge Smails, "The world needs ditch diggers, too."

Inner city schools were designed to warehouse kids, give them minimal amounts of busy work, train their behavior, then send them out the door to be good little maids, ditch diggers, and garbage men.

In the 70's, my junior high school had students from the rich part of town, us middle class kids, and the black and Mexican kids from the slums of Sugar Land, TX. The first thing they did was separate the kids by socio- economic status- the rich kids were all put in advanced classes whether they deserved to be there or now, the middle class kids were all put into second tier classes (unless they tested out and were put in advanced classes), and the minorities were warehoused with the dumb middle class kids.
The rich kids were taught how to be the leaders of tomorrow, the middle class kids were taught how to be good consumers, and the poor kids never had a chance.
2014-01-19 12:39:29 PM  
1 votes:
"You know what else was developed in 19th century Germany?"

An educated population that knew the 1800s were the 19th century.
2014-01-19 11:09:48 AM  
1 votes:

i.imgur.com

2014-01-19 10:14:34 AM  
1 votes:

Animatronik: Fact: inner city schools are largely awful because of the political machines that run those cities and govt policies that discourage keeping families intact and setting meaningful goals in life.


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Which is the way the ruling class wants it.   In New Jersey the state created "Abbott districts" to fund inner city schools.  The Abbotts have soaked up a lot of money over the years.....per pupil spending is often greater than in many suburban districts.  Most of the Abbott money is sucked up crooked administrators ( who themselves are minority).  It's no different than the way Nazis used Jews as capos to beat down the Jewish camp inmates.  The Abbott administrators drive to their jobs in Bentleys while the kids learn nothing.  At 18 those kids are turned out into the streets.    This system assures that the kids are caged up during the day where they can't cause trouble, but won't learn enough to challenge the status quo.  The people in the 'hood who might cause trouble are bought off with school administration jobs.   The money to pay for all this comes from the middle class who are happy that their little snowflakes don't have to sit next to little Jamal and Loquisha.
2014-01-19 10:07:42 AM  
1 votes:

Aar1012: Bismarck, the First German Reich, and the situations that would create the First World War at the start if the 20th Century?


Nope, that'd be the Holy Roman Empire; the Reich created by Bismarck & Co. was the so-called "second Reich."
2014-01-19 09:18:20 AM  
1 votes:
Dumbass writer spewing party aligned bullshiat with no data to back them up.

Look at how these "theories" have worked in North Carolina (and soon Ohio among other states).
2014-01-19 09:07:50 AM  
1 votes:
The Mauser '96 machine pistol.  It was a copy of Han Solo's DL-44 blaster, converted to gunpowder.
2014-01-19 09:07:22 AM  
1 votes:
Sounds like this guy has been reading Gatto's "Underground History of American Education".
2014-01-19 09:01:12 AM  
1 votes:

ltr77: There are no school administrators in the teachers' union.  Perhaps he should research the subject a bit more before deciding he is an education expert and writing a book.


Yeah, after a bit of googling to try and actually work out what point this guy is making, the conclusion I'm coming to is that he's deliberately vague about what he thinks the problem is and what his proposed solutions are because he's trying to hide the fact that he doesn't actually know a lot about the topic.

I'm gonna go out on a limb and assume the book is not good.
2014-01-19 08:57:09 AM  
1 votes:

NobleHam: Karl Marx?


images1.wikia.nocookie.net
2014-01-19 08:46:01 AM  
1 votes:
The crumbly topping on Strussel?
2014-01-19 08:45:53 AM  
1 votes:
Is it just me or did that guy say nothing about his book other than vague generalities?

I mean, I still don't really understand what he thinks the problems with the K-12 system are or how he proposes to fix it other than it isn't "sufficiently customized" and it needs to be more like homeschooling. There was a hell of a lot more hot air than there was useful info.
2014-01-19 08:42:47 AM  
1 votes:

brilett: Beer purity laws?


The Reinheitsgebot date from the 15th century.
2014-01-19 08:41:08 AM  
1 votes:
Cocaine and TNT.
2014-01-19 08:37:54 AM  
1 votes:
Plans to bomb Pearl Harbor?
 
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