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(The Atlantic)   Apparently, the best model for childhood education was developed in 19th century Germany. You know what else was developed in 19th century Germany?   (theatlantic.com) divider line 115
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2014-01-19 07:26:21 AM  
Karl Hungus, cable TV repairman
 
2014-01-19 08:34:26 AM  
Bismarck, the First German Reich, and the situations that would create the First World War at the start if the 20th Century?
 
2014-01-19 08:37:54 AM  
Plans to bomb Pearl Harbor?
 
2014-01-19 08:39:13 AM  
Wasn't that the system designed to churn out moderately educated stock for the army while indoctrinating them with patriotism?
 
2014-01-19 08:39:19 AM  
Beer purity laws?
 
2014-01-19 08:40:05 AM  
The 4-stroke internal combustion engine?
 
2014-01-19 08:40:08 AM  
Maybe some sort of concentration camp would help the children learn better?
 
2014-01-19 08:41:08 AM  
Cocaine and TNT.
 
2014-01-19 08:42:45 AM  
Pressed tin toy railways?
 
2014-01-19 08:42:47 AM  

brilett: Beer purity laws?


The Reinheitsgebot date from the 15th century.
 
2014-01-19 08:43:19 AM  
Ha! Joke's on you, Subby. Hitler was born in Australia.
 
2014-01-19 08:43:51 AM  
The Larch
 
2014-01-19 08:43:52 AM  

Target Builder: Wasn't that the system designed to churn out moderately educated stock for the army while indoctrinating them with patriotism?


I don't see the connection.

/i pledge allegiance
//to the flag
///of the...
 
2014-01-19 08:45:53 AM  
Is it just me or did that guy say nothing about his book other than vague generalities?

I mean, I still don't really understand what he thinks the problems with the K-12 system are or how he proposes to fix it other than it isn't "sufficiently customized" and it needs to be more like homeschooling. There was a hell of a lot more hot air than there was useful info.
 
2014-01-19 08:46:01 AM  
The crumbly topping on Strussel?
 
2014-01-19 08:48:14 AM  
dartonrefuel.com
 
2014-01-19 08:48:30 AM  
FTFA: "Why would we only have one school?"

Because when you force the wealthiest put their children right next to the all the plebs, you're going to get better education for the plebs than if you didn't. I don't care that this will reduce the quality of education of the wealthiest, they're going to do fine based upon their "merit" of winning the ability to inherit large amounts of wealth.
 
2014-01-19 08:48:32 AM  

gwowen: The 4-stroke internal combustion engine?


Though, the Germans were integral in marketing and refining the 4-stroke, the Italians, British and French were much more responsible for developing it.
 
2014-01-19 08:49:56 AM  
They are just more advanced than the rest of the world; it took America 50 years to elect for Hitler to come into power
 
2014-01-19 08:52:21 AM  
Karl Marx?
 
2014-01-19 08:54:43 AM  
Schnitzel press?
 
2014-01-19 08:55:15 AM  
The author gets a few things wrong.  New York Public schools are not awful.  Some of them are.  Some are the best in the world.  However, he doesn't want to acknowledge this because it defeats his narrative that Unions are bad.  Also, in one paragraph, he states that the reason things are the same is because the Unions and tenured professors want to keep things that way, in the next paragraph he states that it is the administrators.  There are no school administrators in the teachers' union.  Perhaps he should research the subject a bit more before deciding he is an education expert and writing a book.
 
2014-01-19 08:55:31 AM  
More Germans?
 
2014-01-19 08:56:00 AM  
FTA: if you are in a market like New York, say, where the public schools are lousy and the private schools are ridiculously expensive, then homeschooling provides an opportunity for people who don't have enough money for private school but value their kids' education too much to send them to public school to still live in New York as opposed to having to move somewhere else.

Right.  There are tons of people who can afford to live in New York, can't afford to send their kids to a private school, but can afford to have one parent full-time stay-at-home to homeschool the kid(s). Sure.

That's what schools provide in massive amounts.  Babysitting.  Which freed up tens of millions of women to work.  Do you see that trend going backwards any time soon? The author apparently does.
 
2014-01-19 08:56:34 AM  

Gecko Gingrich: gwowen: The 4-stroke internal combustion engine?

Though, the Germans were integral in marketing and refining the 4-stroke, the Italians, British and French were much more responsible for developing it.


Well ... maybe. There were lots of simultaneous breakthroughs, and patents. But Otto and Daimler took French ideas and built functioning engines with them, and that works for me.

Anyway, scratch my answer and put the Diesel Engine.
 
2014-01-19 08:57:09 AM  

NobleHam: Karl Marx?


images1.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2014-01-19 09:01:12 AM  

ltr77: There are no school administrators in the teachers' union.  Perhaps he should research the subject a bit more before deciding he is an education expert and writing a book.


Yeah, after a bit of googling to try and actually work out what point this guy is making, the conclusion I'm coming to is that he's deliberately vague about what he thinks the problem is and what his proposed solutions are because he's trying to hide the fact that he doesn't actually know a lot about the topic.

I'm gonna go out on a limb and assume the book is not good.
 
2014-01-19 09:01:33 AM  
The Derwitzer Glider?
 
2014-01-19 09:07:22 AM  
Sounds like this guy has been reading Gatto's "Underground History of American Education".
 
2014-01-19 09:07:50 AM  
The Mauser '96 machine pistol.  It was a copy of Han Solo's DL-44 blaster, converted to gunpowder.
 
2014-01-19 09:10:42 AM  
In Germany (and some of Germany's neighbors) they have separate high schools and middle schools for the "college bound" students and for the "vocation bound" students. Voc school's classroom time ends at age 16 while college bound ends at age 18. We have some of that here. What we don't have, that they do have, is a willingness to sort out which child goes to which type of school at age 9. Yes, children of Turkish or African immigrants are more likely to be sorted to the lower track. But few in Germany care about this. They see school as a rough meritocracy and not as a place where we try to alleviate other social problems.
 
2014-01-19 09:11:11 AM  

gwowen: Gecko Gingrich: gwowen: The 4-stroke internal combustion engine?

Though, the Germans were integral in marketing and refining the 4-stroke, the Italians, British and French were much more responsible for developing it.

Well ... maybe. There were lots of simultaneous breakthroughs, and patents. But Otto and Daimler took French ideas and built functioning engines with them, and that works for me.

Anyway, scratch my answer and put the Diesel Engine.


Compression ignition it is!
 
2014-01-19 09:11:38 AM  

Gunther: ltr77: There are no school administrators in the teachers' union.  Perhaps he should research the subject a bit more before deciding he is an education expert and writing a book.

Yeah, after a bit of googling to try and actually work out what point this guy is making, the conclusion I'm coming to is that he's deliberately vague about what he thinks the problem is and what his proposed solutions are because he's trying to hide the fact that he doesn't actually know a lot about the topic.



I don't know a lot about the topic, and I can speak in vague generalities. Do you think being a successful author is right for me?
 
2014-01-19 09:15:36 AM  
Gas lighting, contact lenses, radar, and four-wheeled internal combustion engine vehicles.
 
2014-01-19 09:16:48 AM  
Scheisse porn?   It's my understanding that Adolf Hitler (born in the Austro-Hungarian Empire) was a big fan of scheisse porn.
 
2014-01-19 09:17:25 AM  
The Sham-Wow?
 
2014-01-19 09:18:20 AM  
Dumbass writer spewing party aligned bullshiat with no data to back them up.

Look at how these "theories" have worked in North Carolina (and soon Ohio among other states).
 
2014-01-19 09:19:31 AM  

Snarfangel: I don't know a lot about the topic, and I can speak in vague generalities. Do you think being a successful author is right for me?


Go for it man. Just blame everything on the unions, talk about how awesome homeschooling is and give lots of interviews where you say as little as possible. You might wanna take ten minutes to skim a couple Wiki pages first, but don't go crazy.
 
2014-01-19 09:20:10 AM  

Snarfangel: Gunther: ltr77: There are no school administrators in the teachers' union.  Perhaps he should research the subject a bit more before deciding he is an education expert and writing a book.

Yeah, after a bit of googling to try and actually work out what point this guy is making, the conclusion I'm coming to is that he's deliberately vague about what he thinks the problem is and what his proposed solutions are because he's trying to hide the fact that he doesn't actually know a lot about the topic.


I don't know a lot about the topic, and I can speak in vague generalities. Do you think being a successful author is right for me?


Can you pull a sword out of a stone?
 
2014-01-19 09:23:12 AM  

Gecko Gingrich: Cocaine and TNT.


Now that is a band name if I ever heard one.  Stealing it when I learn to play piano and stuff.
 
2014-01-19 09:24:09 AM  

jgbrowning: FTFA: "Why would we only have one school?"

Because when you force the wealthiest put their children right next to the all the plebs, you're going to get better education for the plebs than if you didn't. I don't care that this will reduce the quality of education of the wealthiest, they're going to do fine based upon their "merit" of winning the ability to inherit large amounts of wealth.


Except that's never going to happen.  Even if you were to somehow ban private schools and require public education, the rich would either fly the kiddies out of the country to an expensive "boarding school" somewhere or get together in a ridiculously high priced district.
 
2014-01-19 09:25:47 AM  
The garden gnome?
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2014-01-19 09:29:40 AM  
Autobahn?
 
2014-01-19 09:29:47 AM  

Marquis de Sod: The garden gnome?
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Something like that would definitely set my house apart. "Go down the street until you see the threatening gnomes, then slowly pull into the driveway without making any sudden moves."
 
2014-01-19 09:32:41 AM  
No, the best education system came out of Italy around 1906.
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-01-19 09:35:34 AM  
The birth of Nihilism?
 
2014-01-19 09:38:05 AM  

pueblonative: jgbrowning: FTFA: "Why would we only have one school?"

Because when you force the wealthiest put their children right next to the all the plebs, you're going to get better education for the plebs than if you didn't. I don't care that this will reduce the quality of education of the wealthiest, they're going to do fine based upon their "merit" of winning the ability to inherit large amounts of wealth.

Except that's never going to happen.  Even if you were to somehow ban private schools and require public education, the rich would either fly the kiddies out of the country to an expensive "boarding school" somewhere or get together in a ridiculously high priced district.


To the communists who post on Fark, it's all about forcing rich people to give you what they have. They tune out the wonderful examples of why this doesn't work, from the 20th century.

Good education and acquisition of knowledge and skills has nothing to do with rich people. It has to with the middle class, which is eventually damaged by socialism and gutted by communism.

Fact: inner city schools are largely awful because of the political machines that run those cities and govt policies that discourage keeping families intact and setting meaningful goals in life.
 
2014-01-19 09:40:41 AM  
Came in here looking for child models...uh, I mean looking for children to model for ...er...educational observances, buh, a childhood model that teaches development of...la la la, 19th century Germany
 
2014-01-19 09:46:30 AM  

Target Builder: Wasn't that the system designed to churn out moderately educated stock for the army while indoctrinating them with patriotism?


Factory workers more so. Basically people who follow directions.
 
2014-01-19 09:51:02 AM  
Sure. I want future policy analysis from Glen Reynolds, a rightwing derper, who seems into sex-robots as a vision of the future.

Online education is just as good as a college classroom just as sex with a robot is as good or better than sex and social relations with a real life woman.
 
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