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2014-01-19 12:03:32 AM
Hemp should be America's next great industry.

Nothing against cannabis, but there IS a difference.
 
2014-01-19 12:10:22 AM
Scary?

Because paper, cloth, cattle feed, and even oils can be harvested for a variety of purposes far beyond just the recreational aspects, which we used to actually use, before timber and cotton interests realized that easily harvested cannabis would upset their profit model? Because hemp paper would be more economical to harvest and produce thanks to a nifty device's invention called the corticator, something had to be done. And being done, was to turn the commercial aspects aside for focus on the drug aspect. That the US Navy still uses hemp rope, and has an exemption to produce it should say a bit about the commercial and domestic applications. That hemp sails, hemp rope, and even oils were common in this country says a fair amount about the industrial applications. It IS an important crop, but not just because of the recreational aspect. And right now: folks are REALLY wanting to focus attention onto the recreational aspect, and keep any of that from turning to those other aspects.

The criminalization has always been limiting competition, and decreasing the economic impact of a cheap and readily replaceable crop with a good range of growth conditions. Few folks like to talk about it, because the drug aspect is what they'd rather focus on, because otherwise folks would have to admit it's been about limiting competition, and essentially stifling it for nearly a hundred years.

The stories we see, about this "green rush" all focus on the wrong aspects, and that's in part, because folks want attention there, as opposed to very real possibility of competition with timber, cotton, and even seed oil products.
 
2014-01-19 12:15:35 AM
Good. Its too good of a resource to ignore.
 
2014-01-19 12:27:19 AM

hubiestubert: Scary?


Subby is Nancy Grace.
 
2014-01-19 12:35:39 AM
Obvious tag too stoned to make it to the thread, sent his brother Scary to take his place
 
2014-01-19 12:39:05 AM
Why does Subby hate capitalism?
 
2014-01-19 12:40:05 AM
Can we do it as good as Columbia did cocaine?
 
2014-01-19 12:41:27 AM

fusillade762: hubiestubert: Scary?

Subby is Nancy Grace.


Or that pinhead Bill O'Reilly.
 
2014-01-19 12:43:08 AM
I wonder how many people will just start to grow their own instead of buying it when it becomes legal everywhere.
 
2014-01-19 12:50:34 AM

EmmaLou: I wonder how many people will just start to grow their own instead of buying it when it becomes legal everywhere.


That's why I'm looking to get into automated aeroponics.
 
2014-01-19 01:08:36 AM

EmmaLou: I wonder how many people will just start to grow their own instead of buying it when it becomes legal everywhere.


probably quite a few for the first year while it's new and novel, then once the neatness is over, probably about the same percentage as the number of cigarette smokers that grow their own tobacco (that is to say, not a whole hell of a lot.)
 
2014-01-19 01:13:53 AM

Olo Manolo: EmmaLou: I wonder how many people will just start to grow their own instead of buying it when it becomes legal everywhere.

probably quite a few for the first year while it's new and novel, then once the neatness is over, probably about the same percentage as the number of cigarette smokers that grow their own tobacco (that is to say, not a whole hell of a lot.)


Actually given the resources necessary I'd liken it more to beer.

Plenty of people home brew.
 
2014-01-19 01:14:24 AM

violentsalvation: fusillade762: hubiestubert: Scary?

Subby is Nancy Grace.

Or that pinhead Bill O'Reilly.


Leeeeeeeeeeerooooy Jenkinnnnns!
 
2014-01-19 01:19:42 AM

Olo Manolo: EmmaLou: I wonder how many people will just start to grow their own instead of buying it when it becomes legal everywhere.

probably quite a few for the first year while it's new and novel, then once the neatness is over, probably about the same percentage as the number of cigarette smokers that grow their own tobacco (that is to say, not a whole hell of a lot.)


I think it might be more like brewing. Tobacco is NOT as easy to cultivate or harvest, at least in the same way that marijuana is. The yields for tobacco are also a bit different for what you're looking to actually use on regular basis. Mind you, I worked on a tobacco farm when I was in college, so the experience sort of stuck. And the Jamaican crew that we worked with, they grew their own ganja well and away from the plants, for their own personal use, and that was a tiny slice of land compared to what you need to harvest for cigarettes, not to mention the curing and drying necessary. Craft growers will be more akin to craft brewers--and while not entirely analogous, craft brewing still, and growers will, I think, be able to cross over from amateurs to professionals with some determination, and deep pockets to assist. What is going to throw some things off for craft growers, is that the most talented of growers, will likely be excluded from being able to do so professionally, because of the restrictions for licensing.
 
2014-01-19 01:21:17 AM

hubiestubert: Scary?

Because paper, cloth, cattle feed, and even oils can be harvested for a variety of purposes far beyond just the recreational aspects, which we used to actually use, before timber and cotton interests realized that easily harvested cannabis would upset their profit model? Because hemp paper would be more economical to harvest and produce thanks to a nifty device's invention called the corticator, something had to be done. And being done, was to turn the commercial aspects aside for focus on the drug aspect. That the US Navy still uses hemp rope, and has an exemption to produce it should say a bit about the commercial and domestic applications. That hemp sails, hemp rope, and even oils were common in this country says a fair amount about the industrial applications. It IS an important crop, but not just because of the recreational aspect. And right now: folks are REALLY wanting to focus attention onto the recreational aspect, and keep any of that from turning to those other aspects.

The criminalization has always been limiting competition, and decreasing the economic impact of a cheap and readily replaceable crop with a good range of growth conditions. Few folks like to talk about it, because the drug aspect is what they'd rather focus on, because otherwise folks would have to admit it's been about limiting competition, and essentially stifling it for nearly a hundred years.

The stories we see, about this "green rush" all focus on the wrong aspects, and that's in part, because folks want attention there, as opposed to very real possibility of competition with timber, cotton, and even seed oil products.


www.logofontandlettering.com
 
2014-01-19 01:56:49 AM
Not scary.  Anyone with any intelligence has been stating this fact for decades.
 
2014-01-19 04:11:02 AM
Scary? You know what scares me? All you booze hounds getting all liquored up and drunk driving, beating your wives and kids, etc. Being all irish and shiat.
 
2014-01-19 04:11:28 AM
Subby must be in Law Enforcement.
 
2014-01-19 04:12:52 AM

Prophet of Loss: Subby must be in Law Enforcement.


Or in the cotton, wood, paper or textile industries.
 
2014-01-19 04:27:16 AM
prediction

as soon as "big tobacco" realizes legal pot is here to stay, they will start manufacturing in CO and WA. once they see how profitable it is, they then start using their money and muscle to start pushing state governments to make it legal, then on to the feds. by the time my grand kids are born, they will hear about "big pot" instead of "big tobacco" in the news.

/prediction
 
2014-01-19 04:28:25 AM
Or "scary",  as in the idea of it turning into an "industry" such as Big Tobacco or Oil, or any of the other industries that are so constantly and laboriously bemoaned on this site.
 
2014-01-19 04:33:32 AM

log_jammin: prediction

as soon as "big tobacco" realizes legal pot is here to stay, they will start manufacturing in CO and WA. once they see how profitable it is, they then start using their money and muscle to start pushing state governments to make it legal, then on to the feds. by the time my grand kids are born, they will hear about "big pot" instead of "big tobacco" in the news.

/prediction


It'll be off Schedule 1 before the end of 2016.

And Big Tobacco isn't going to be able to cash in on Cannabis. By the time it's legal the local growers will already be up on keel and utilizing technology that eliminates Big Tobacco's size and infrastructure advantages. Automated grow operations will be far more efficient and productive per square foot of grow space than overland growing will ever hope to be. Phillip Morris can't hope to maintain a profit at the prices they'd have to compete at.

However, they might be able to make a pretty penny in the other things that marijuana is good for: hemp.
 
2014-01-19 04:41:02 AM

EmmaLou: I wonder how many people will just start to grow their own instead of buying it when it becomes legal everywhere.


This is America, people here don't wait for shiat.  Even buying immature plants and replanting them is too much work for most people.  And it doesn't give them their immediate gratification, no way can it compete with going to 7-11 and buying a pack of joints for $20.
 
2014-01-19 04:46:29 AM

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: EmmaLou: I wonder how many people will just start to grow their own instead of buying it when it becomes legal everywhere.

This is America, people here don't wait for shiat.  Even buying immature plants and replanting them is too much work for most people.  And it doesn't give them their immediate gratification, no way can it compete with going to 7-11 and buying a pack of joints for $20.


Local dispensary, but same difference.
 
2014-01-19 04:59:24 AM
I can't wait for medicinal chemists to get hold of the stanky stuff, and be able to work with it without filing stacks and stacks of useless paper with the feds.

There's good and interesting science to be done for appetite regulation, immune responses, and psychoactive effects. The real crime is it's been locked down for decades away from helpful research just because some Puritan assholes were afraid that someone somewhere was having fun with it.
 
2014-01-19 04:59:47 AM

iq_in_binary: It'll be off Schedule 1 before the end of 2016.


that's pretty optimistic.
 
2014-01-19 05:12:12 AM

log_jammin: iq_in_binary: It'll be off Schedule 1 before the end of 2016.

that's pretty optimistic.


Taking it off schedule 1 doesn't serve the Democrats purpose.  If they do that, the GOP has it as an election issue to use against them.  If it goes state-by-state, then in each state the young voters turn out to support pot and also to vote Democrat.
 
2014-01-19 05:13:16 AM
iq_in_binary:  Actually given the resources necessary I'd liken it more to beer.

Plenty of people home brew.


Been saying this for awhile. it will go the home brew model.  Perfectly legal up to XX quantity but a home brew type operation.  Some will do a little growing of their own but most will prefer the convenience of walking into a store and walking out with a week or weekend supply in 5-10 minutes time.
 
2014-01-19 05:17:30 AM

toetag: iq_in_binary:  Actually given the resources necessary I'd liken it more to beer.

Plenty of people home brew.

Been saying this for awhile. it will go the home brew model.  Perfectly legal up to XX quantity but a home brew type operation.  Some will do a little growing of their own but most will prefer the convenience of walking into a store and walking out with a week or weekend supply in 5-10 minutes time.


I've said similar in fark threads in the past and was nearly verbally gang raped over it. basically I was told that it's way too hard to grow "the good stuff" so no one would try to grow it.
 
2014-01-19 05:20:40 AM

log_jammin: iq_in_binary: It'll be off Schedule 1 before the end of 2016.

that's pretty optimistic.


I said Schedule 1, I didn't say it wouldn't still be on say Schedule 3.

But think about it, there are a lot of seats up for grabs that Republicans know are shifting so far away from them demographically that there's only one thing they can try to make a hot button topic to keep themselves ahead without angering the teahadists. This is it. I give it 5 months before you start seeing Fox News switch sides on the topic as a way to bash Obama and try to buy votes for the Republican party. They're going to try everything they can to hold on in 2014 and stave off congressional losses. And the RNC is putting a hell of a lot more of its people in the staffs of State candidates. That's to try and reel in the stupid, and to enforce policy opinions. You'll be hearing Republicans in liberal leaning districts running on legalization, I almost guarantee it in 2014, I can almost put up money on that guarantee by the 2016 elections.

In the mean time, CO opened pandora's box. And they showed everybody else how to do it. We'll have 5 more states with legal recreational use by 2016, maybe even 6. At that point keeping it on Schedule 1 would be insane.
 
2014-01-19 05:22:58 AM

log_jammin: toetag: iq_in_binary:  Actually given the resources necessary I'd liken it more to beer.

Plenty of people home brew.

Been saying this for awhile. it will go the home brew model.  Perfectly legal up to XX quantity but a home brew type operation.  Some will do a little growing of their own but most will prefer the convenience of walking into a store and walking out with a week or weekend supply in 5-10 minutes time.

I've said similar in fark threads in the past and was nearly verbally gang raped over it. basically I was told that it's way too hard to grow "the good stuff" so no one would try to grow it.


If you can grow tomatoes, you can grow "the good stuff."

Besides, someone will cash in on little automated grow cabinets to take as much of the work off the consumer as possible.

I hope to be him.
 
2014-01-19 05:29:21 AM

iq_in_binary: But think about it, there are a lot of seats up for grabs that Republicans know are shifting so far away from them demographically that there's only one thing they can try to make a hot button topic to keep themselves ahead without angering the teahadists. This is it. I give it 5 months before you start seeing Fox News switch sides on the topic as a way to bash Obama and try to buy votes for the Republican party. They're going to try everything they can to hold on in 2014 and stave off congressional losses. And the RNC is putting a hell of a lot more of its people in the staffs of State candidates. That's to try and reel in the stupid, and to enforce policy opinions. You'll be hearing Republicans in liberal leaning districts running on legalization, I almost guarantee it in 2014, I can almost put up money on that guarantee by the 2016 elections.


nah...the religious right has it's claws sunk in too far. and the would go bloody ape shiat at the tiniest hint of legalization from anyone with a R at the end of their name. hell, in my state you can't even buy beer on sundays because of the fundies.

iq_in_binary: If you can grow tomatoes, you can grow "the good stuff."


I said the exact same thing.
 
2014-01-19 05:40:00 AM

log_jammin: iq_in_binary: But think about it, there are a lot of seats up for grabs that Republicans know are shifting so far away from them demographically that there's only one thing they can try to make a hot button topic to keep themselves ahead without angering the teahadists. This is it. I give it 5 months before you start seeing Fox News switch sides on the topic as a way to bash Obama and try to buy votes for the Republican party. They're going to try everything they can to hold on in 2014 and stave off congressional losses. And the RNC is putting a hell of a lot more of its people in the staffs of State candidates. That's to try and reel in the stupid, and to enforce policy opinions. You'll be hearing Republicans in liberal leaning districts running on legalization, I almost guarantee it in 2014, I can almost put up money on that guarantee by the 2016 elections.

nah...the religious right has it's claws sunk in too far. and the would go bloody ape shiat at the tiniest hint of legalization from anyone with a R at the end of their name. hell, in my state you can't even buy beer on sundays because of the fundies.

iq_in_binary: If you can grow tomatoes, you can grow "the good stuff."

I said the exact same thing.


The fundies are more concerned about their losing battle with Marriage Equality. Don't look for them to go bug nuts over MJ, medical at the very least has favorable support practically everywhere. There's already MMJ in 20 states and DC. Probably will go up even higher in 2014, I know Minnesota will join the list.

And the Republicans are losing more and more votes to libertarians in state elections, some districts are seeing libertarians get as much as 9% of the vote, in close districts pulling them over is going to have to be part of the campaign. Medical or Recreational MJ (in states that already have medical) is pretty much the only way to do it, and let's face it the fundies are going to vote for them no matter what they do once the primaries are over.
 
2014-01-19 05:42:26 AM
Glad the article wasn't about hemp. Those hemp defenders are totally full of shiat. IF it were such a miracle plant then why isn't it grown in mass quantities in places where it's not illegal? In the whole world there is a few hundred thousand acres devoted to hemp production. This in comparison to the hundreds of millions of acres of corn and wheat. Hmm....
 
2014-01-19 05:45:16 AM

wax_on: Glad the article wasn't about hemp. Those hemp defenders are totally full of shiat. IF it were such a miracle plant then why isn't it grown in mass quantities in places where it's not illegal? In the whole world there is a few hundred thousand acres devoted to hemp production. This in comparison to the hundreds of millions of acres of corn and wheat. Hmm....


Most of the places it isn't illegal don't have either large swaths of farmland or an industry that can industrialize hemp.

The US Navy has an exemption so that it can grow hemp for its ropes.

Competition with cotton, lumber. paper, and textiles was the initial reason it was first made illegal. Don't fool yourself otherwise.
 
2014-01-19 06:11:45 AM
log_jammin:
I've said similar in fark threads in the past and was nearly verbally gang raped over it. basically I was told that it's way too hard to grow "the good stuff" so no one would try to grow it.


Just out of curiosity, did they happen to say why they felt the better strains are more difficult to grow? I'm gonna have to call BS on that...
 
2014-01-19 06:17:16 AM

Olo Manolo: log_jammin:
I've said similar in fark threads in the past and was nearly verbally gang raped over it. basically I was told that it's way too hard to grow "the good stuff" so no one would try to grow it.


Just out of curiosity, did they happen to say why they felt the better strains are more difficult to grow? I'm gonna have to call BS on that...


For high yield? It takes a little expertise.

For enough yield to keep yourself and maybe a couple friends well supplied? It's harder to kill these things than anything else. It is a weed after all. The smaller autoflowering strains are usually Sativa or Indica strains bred with Ruderalis. It's a farking RUDERAL.
 
2014-01-19 06:21:16 AM

Olo Manolo: Just out of curiosity, did they happen to say why they felt the better strains are more difficult to grow? I'm gonna have to call BS on that...


I don't remember. It was a few years ago, and I pretty much avoid most pot threads these days.
 
2014-01-19 06:30:41 AM

iq_in_binary: Olo Manolo: log_jammin:
I've said similar in fark threads in the past and was nearly verbally gang raped over it. basically I was told that it's way too hard to grow "the good stuff" so no one would try to grow it.


Just out of curiosity, did they happen to say why they felt the better strains are more difficult to grow? I'm gonna have to call BS on that...

For high yield? It takes a little expertise.

For enough yield to keep yourself and maybe a couple friends well supplied? It's harder to kill these things than anything else. It is a weed after all. The smaller autoflowering strains are usually Sativa or Indica strains bred with Ruderalis. It's a farking RUDERAL.


I should probably clarify some more. For high yield of extremely high THC and/or CBD concentrations takes a little expertise. From what I understand the highest yield and concentration finished product comes from either hydro or aeroponic rigs with enhanced CO2 atmospheres and UV-B elements running for small periods during the flowering light cycle. Certain steps are taken for a 2 week or 10 day period previous to harvesting to promote trichome production and to try and get it over the top and to try and get the plant to consume whatever phosphorous and sulfur is left in the plant so that it's more smokeable. That takes a little expertise. And the result is product so strong that very few people could stand it. But it can be automated in a way that you don't really have to know what you're doing. That's why I'm fooling around with aeroponics and PLC/Microcontroller programming.

But for small personal supply? Yeah harvesting and curing takes a few rules of thumb but it's not really any more involved than, oh, say, following a schedule. I was invited to a few clipping parties by some of the dispensaries I definitely didn't do background checks for(wink) when I was a Legal Investigator. It's more laborious than technical.
 
2014-01-19 07:41:55 AM
You know what's really scary about pot legalization?  All the inane pop-culture shiat this is going to spawn in the next 5 years.  Great, as if we weren't annoying enough as a nation.
 
2014-01-19 08:02:19 AM

dfacto: You know what's really scary about pot legalization?  All the inane pop-culture shiat this is going to spawn in the next 5 years.  Great, as if we weren't annoying enough as a nation.


It's going to be like gays in the 2000's when shows like Queer Eye were everywhere.  Suddenly everybody is going to come out as having smoked pot their whole lives.
 
2014-01-19 08:27:15 AM
I want to see Colombian troops burning crops in Boulder Colorado.
 
2014-01-19 08:37:56 AM

log_jammin: toetag: iq_in_binary:  Actually given the resources necessary I'd liken it more to beer.

Plenty of people home brew.

Been saying this for awhile. it will go the home brew model.  Perfectly legal up to XX quantity but a home brew type operation.  Some will do a little growing of their own but most will prefer the convenience of walking into a store and walking out with a week or weekend supply in 5-10 minutes time.

I've said similar in fark threads in the past and was nearly verbally gang raped over it. basically I was told that it's way too hard to grow "the good stuff" so no one would try to grow it.


I am a 9-5er in the local lingo, ie someone who grows in his closet. It is NOT hard to grow quality weed - it is all about the genetics, diligence and patience.

If you got good genetics, you will grow good bud. The quantity you get is where the diligence comes in because you have to pay attention and make sure you don;t get spider mites or anything like that. And the patience part ensures your buds are as quality as their genetics. When you think the buds are done...wait a week. Then maybe another couple of days. Cutting your buds too early makes for way less potent, less tasty bud. Be patient and you can grow excellent buds.

But it all starts with the genetics of the clones you use.

/has also grown from seed
//has friends who are professional growers
 
2014-01-19 08:42:00 AM

iq_in_binary: wax_on: Glad the article wasn't about hemp. Those hemp defenders are totally full of shiat. IF it were such a miracle plant then why isn't it grown in mass quantities in places where it's not illegal? In the whole world there is a few hundred thousand acres devoted to hemp production. This in comparison to the hundreds of millions of acres of corn and wheat. Hmm....

Most of the places it isn't illegal don't have either large swaths of farmland or an industry that can industrialize hemp.

The US Navy has an exemption so that it can grow hemp for its ropes.

Competition with cotton, lumber. paper, and textiles was the initial reason it was first made illegal. Don't fool yourself otherwise.


This. I'm glad there is someone else in here who knows what the fark is up.
 
2014-01-19 08:51:47 AM
"Could be"?

Already is.
 
2014-01-19 08:53:44 AM

my lip balm addiction: log_jammin: toetag: iq_in_binary:  Actually given the resources necessary I'd liken it more to beer.

Plenty of people home brew.

Been saying this for awhile. it will go the home brew model.  Perfectly legal up to XX quantity but a home brew type operation.  Some will do a little growing of their own but most will prefer the convenience of walking into a store and walking out with a week or weekend supply in 5-10 minutes time.

I've said similar in fark threads in the past and was nearly verbally gang raped over it. basically I was told that it's way too hard to grow "the good stuff" so no one would try to grow it.

I am a 9-5er in the local lingo, ie someone who grows in his closet. It is NOT hard to grow quality weed - it is all about the genetics, diligence and patience.

If you got good genetics, you will grow good bud. The quantity you get is where the diligence comes in because you have to pay attention and make sure you don;t get spider mites or anything like that. And the patience part ensures your buds are as quality as their genetics. When you think the buds are done...wait a week. Then maybe another couple of days. Cutting your buds too early makes for way less potent, less tasty bud. Be patient and you can grow excellent buds.

But it all starts with the genetics of the clones you use.

/has also grown from seed
//has friends who are professional growers


Professional and trained are two different things. Half the people I looked into just to serve as budtenders were horticulturists with bachelors or better. Desperate for jobs to pay for 4 years or more in student debt.

Yeah, now that it's legal as a crop we're going to see significant gains in vegetable growth in terms of watt/hr of electricity and finished weight yield in hydro or aeroponic applications. That's a very good thing. The budtenders are going to go you know what? There's a ton to do here. And they're going to start doing science. And with a helping hand from automation engineers, they're going to make a few breakthroughs.

Why? Half the profitable grow operations are aero/hydro. That fact alone means huge capital shift towards that technology. Automated food is inching closer.
 
2014-01-19 09:01:07 AM

EmmaLou: I wonder how many people will just start to grow their own instead of buying it when it becomes legal everywhere.


CHA-CHA-CHA-CHIA!!!
 
2014-01-19 09:04:06 AM

iq_in_binary: Olo Manolo: EmmaLou: I wonder how many people will just start to grow their own instead of buying it when it becomes legal everywhere.

probably quite a few for the first year while it's new and novel, then once the neatness is over, probably about the same percentage as the number of cigarette smokers that grow their own tobacco (that is to say, not a whole hell of a lot.)

Actually given the resources necessary I'd liken it more to beer.

Plenty of people home brew.


And the alcohol industry had $400 billion in revenues in 2010, so much like home brewing, their will be the hobbyists and people who start their own farm/store, but it won't hamper the soon to be industry at all. In fact, like home brewing a whole new business will open with people selling MJ growing equipment, seeds, etc and increased business to small farm supply stores and the like.
 
2014-01-19 09:09:57 AM
Good, then maybe good genetics won't cost a farkin' fortune anymore.

Seriously... $100+ per seed for some lines.
 
2014-01-19 09:13:26 AM
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Yes, I think this is what we're facing. Right now your pot dealer is going from as artisanal as Woz hand soldering an Apple to that one store in town where they sell computers. Give it a few years and it'll boom through a foggy haze and either we'll double down on making it socially unacceptable or it'll be one of a dozen intoxicants sold by licensed shops to supposed adults. The industrial side has to wait until the puritans and the hedonists finish the fight over personal rights vs Jesus hates you.
 
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