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2014-01-19 10:32:01 AM  

hubiestubert: But it is understandable. Like Chris Rock said, "you gotta look at OJ's situation. He's paying $25,000 a month in alimony, got another man driving around in his car and f*cking his wife in a house he's still paying the mortgage on. Now I'm not saying he should have killed her... but I understand."


Don't even post that shiat, hubie, not even as an aside. That quote right there is the reason I farking hate Chris Rock. Somebody understands how a person could kill their ex? That's funny? That's not a joke, not in any goddamn universe anywhere. That's pathetic. She wasn't his wife anymore, she didn't get that kind of money from him, and they were divorced. Whatever she did with her life after that was HER LIFE. Unless, of course, you see things like OJ Simpson did.

My ex said that very thing to me after I left him--"Now I understand how people murder their exes"--and I assure you, it is never a joke.
Now you all carry on with your Afghanistan flamewar, I'm out of here.
 
2014-01-19 10:36:00 AM  

Son of Thunder: Shall I teach you the entire Torah while you stand on one foot while I'm at it?


Ah, yes... the argument that another's interpretation of a purely interpretive doctrine is irrelevant because you don't personally interpret it that way.
 
2014-01-19 10:36:39 AM  

Son of Thunder: jchic: When was the last time religion actually improved a country?

Inventing science.
Creating the first modern university.
Abolitionism.
First-wave feminism.
Civil rights Movement.

You're welcome.


CITATIONS NEEDED.
 
2014-01-19 10:36:43 AM  

Son of Thunder: jchic: When was the last time religion actually improved a country?

Inventing science.
Creating the first modern university.
Abolitionism.
First-wave feminism.
Civil rights Movement.

You're welcome.


Religion didn't invent science... Science was 'invented' when religion, philosophy, and superstition were disentangled from explanations about things.

The first 'modern university' taught religion, medicine, and engineering. It wasn't created by religion, it was created by society to teach the things that were important to them at the time (which included more than religion).

Abolitionism was not a product of religion either. Some religious groups did choose to believe that slavery was against their beliefs, but largely the cause of abolitionism was carried by humanist ideals, not religious ones.

First-wave feminism was not a religious movement nor was it created by religion. There were many women and men who inspired first wave feminism and not one of them cited religion as the reason.

Finally the Civil Rights Movement was also not a product of religion. It was a movement by various people from various places that decided that equal rights were important to them and that they were willing to engage in non-violent civil demonstration in order to obtain those rights.

Just because you're a fan of religion doesn't mean you can attribute things to religion that have no basis in fact. None of the things you listed were things that religion gave to society... not one of them. If you want to improve people's opinions about how religion has improved society, you might try to stop lying about it. You're hurting your cause more than you're helping it.
 
2014-01-19 10:37:52 AM  
www.legitgov.org
 
2014-01-19 10:40:00 AM  

T-Boy: A lot of self-loathing in this thread. Perhaps you should travel to the Middle East and walk around appologizing. Don't call the embassy when you make your spiritual connection with your fellow peace loving friends.


You're confusing self-loathing with a recognition that overthrowing a nation's elected government and propping up a dictator and his secret police doesn't make the inhabitants automatically love you.

Your post probably says more about you than you intended.
 
2014-01-19 10:42:53 AM  

Bungles: Iraq had world-leading liberal arts universities.... you know, until the US blew them up.


Funnied, that's a good one.
 
2014-01-19 10:43:02 AM  

EmmaLou: While on vacation, I watched a story on AlJazeera about two Afghan women who had been attacked by their husbands. One had her lips and nose cut and was severely beaten, the other was killed and chopped into pieces. The police and everyone knew who committed the crimes, but both husbands are still free. They will likely never face punishment.

WTF? I don't even know what to say about how sick and wrong that is.


Clearly they are acting in a way that shamed the husbands and were treated in the way Allah prescribes.
 
2014-01-19 10:45:23 AM  

Dr.Mxyzptlk.: Funny thing, it's actually the religion of progressivism that Hillary, and her fellow travelers follow that will keep these women under the thumb and cover of the hajib.  Also under the mullahs too.

We will be lectured that this another multicultural event, that the old white,guys will have to learn to live with.

Drag out the Berkeley educated muslim woman with  on MSNBC for glowing commentary on the liberation of submission..
 Sort of the same thing as the millionaire communists living in NYC. Were the go to decoys,rather than interviewing some peasants living under the enlightened rule of the Party.

The threat is not from the tea party, wanting their property taxes lowered or some parents spending quality time teaching their own kids at home.

 ( Otherwise, if the indoctrination is the problem ! Time to close down those Jewish summer camps and other "specialised schools.)  Is Holder looking into the local after school programs at the Mosque ?

Nope! It the self loathing mindset and blind trust in our "historical candidates" that puts all in danger.

PS. I didn't vote for McCain ,and couldn't stand Bush. I would actively work against any Bush or Clinton running for office.


Why would you possibly think anyone cares?
 
2014-01-19 10:46:32 AM  

Dr.Mxyzptlk.: Funny thing, it's actually the religion of progressivismthat Hillary, and her fellow travelers follow that will keep these women under the thumb and cover of the hajib.  Also under the mullahs too.


Show us on the doll where Woodrow Wilson touched you.
 
2014-01-19 10:47:43 AM  

LewDux: Bungles: Iraq had world-leading liberal arts universities.... you know, until the US blew them up.

In Iraq under Saddam women could vote in elections


That's impressive, you've clearly done your research.
 
2014-01-19 10:50:14 AM  
There's nothing in that country that I give two shiats about except for the blood of my fellow citizens.

The rest of the country can go fark itself.
 
2014-01-19 10:50:55 AM  

DrPainMD: Lsherm: So appeasement?  That's your answer?

Starting your argument with a buzz-word meant to create negativity based on nothing other than the buzz-word is not going to get you very far. It's like using the word "denier" in a climate change thread... you lose all credibility the second you say it.

I agree we've created a rabid dog in multiple points the world over, but letting it run free isn't a solution.

Umm... we ARE the rabid dog.

Caging it, paying off its offspring with food and then killing the older generation is the only thing that's going to let us move forward.

If you let the offended run things, they're correctly going to bite that which attacked them.  That dog has to be put down, but the next generation can learn that there's good to be had by cooperating.

Would that work if a foreign country did to us what we've done to them? Would YOU cooperate with them? Me, I'd learn how to build a remote-controlled bomb and set it by the side of the road, waiting for them to drive by. And I'd also kill any Americans who cooperated with them. Unlike  hubiestubert, I think that their terrorism and attempts at terrorism is totally justified... how else can you fight an enemy that is 100 years more technologically advanced and has 10,000 times the money to wage war with? You wouldn't box by the rules if you fought Joe Frazier in his prime, would you?


So it's ok to blow up people who you feel have slighted you? I'm just trying to understand the way the left thinks.
 
2014-01-19 10:51:02 AM  

GilRuiz1: jchic: When was the last time religion actually improved a country?


Perhaps it is worth considering why this atheist author at richarddawkins.net argues that only Christianity can save Africa.


From your link:  "Now a confirmed atheist, I've become convinced of the enormous contribution that Christian evangelism makes in Africa"

Stopped reading right there.

Bet he's not even a real atheist; 'lying for the lord' is standard doctrine for religious whackjobs.  Note how he ignores evangelist "contributions" like getting laws passed in Africa that imprison and execute people for even DISCUSSING homosexuality.

Fark him.
 
2014-01-19 10:52:36 AM  

jaybeezey: DrPainMD: Lsherm: So appeasement?  That's your answer?

Starting your argument with a buzz-word meant to create negativity based on nothing other than the buzz-word is not going to get you very far. It's like using the word "denier" in a climate change thread... you lose all credibility the second you say it.

I agree we've created a rabid dog in multiple points the world over, but letting it run free isn't a solution.

Umm... we ARE the rabid dog.

Caging it, paying off its offspring with food and then killing the older generation is the only thing that's going to let us move forward.

If you let the offended run things, they're correctly going to bite that which attacked them.  That dog has to be put down, but the next generation can learn that there's good to be had by cooperating.

Would that work if a foreign country did to us what we've done to them? Would YOU cooperate with them? Me, I'd learn how to build a remote-controlled bomb and set it by the side of the road, waiting for them to drive by. And I'd also kill any Americans who cooperated with them. Unlike  hubiestubert, I think that their terrorism and attempts at terrorism is totally justified... how else can you fight an enemy that is 100 years more technologically advanced and has 10,000 times the money to wage war with? You wouldn't box by the rules if you fought Joe Frazier in his prime, would you?

So it's ok to blow up people who you feel have slighted you? I'm just trying to understand the way the left thinks.


Overthrowing an elected government and killing people is a "slight"?

I'm just trying to understand how YOU think.
 
2014-01-19 10:53:18 AM  

sixfoot: Mr. Coffee Nerves: Here in America those who'd happily run the country Taliban-style just start their own universities
http://www.bju.edu/life-faith/student-handbook.pdf

Thanks for posting this. "BJ"U is not nearly as fun as it sounds.

/They produce homeschool curriculum for k through 12 too.
//Actively against scientific theory
///They don't like Catholics if I remember right. (nothing better than factionalized Christianity)

Had a couple of years exposure to the home school shiat. Farked up.


The Religious Right and Religious Left have usually looked at each other with contempt. That's not news.
 
2014-01-19 11:04:10 AM  

fusillade762: Fark It: Iran was like this before the Ayatollah.

And Iraq was pretty similar before US sanctions took full effect. Then of course the invasion shot everything to hell.

Why women are less free 10 years after the invasion of Iraq

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Iraqi women at university in Iraq in the 1970s


Got any pics from 1995?
 
2014-01-19 11:07:17 AM  

hubiestubert: The anger in these countries isn't about our freedoms. It isn't about our faith.


B..b..but how do we keep people in the US outraged and fearful if it isn't about these things?
 
2014-01-19 11:07:57 AM  

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I think our problem is primarily a spiritual one... Where there is no Jesus evil always reigns
. - Phill Robertson
 
2014-01-19 11:12:09 AM  
cryingoutloud


Chris Rock is a third-rate Eddie Murphy impersonator......
 
2014-01-19 11:26:36 AM  
www.barenakedislam.com
Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
 
2014-01-19 11:28:42 AM  

Bungles: Iraq had world-leading liberal arts universities.... you know, until the US blew them up.


Thats what they get for stealing our oil and putting it under their land! Damn commies!
 
2014-01-19 11:32:34 AM  

jaybeezey: Would that work if a foreign country did to us what we've done to them? Would YOU cooperate with them? Me, I'd learn how to build a remote-controlled bomb and set it by the side of the road, waiting for them to drive by. And I'd also kill any Americans who cooperated with them. Unlike hubiestubert, I think that their terrorism and attempts at terrorism is totally justified... how else can you fight an enemy that is 100 years more technologically advanced and has 10,000 times the money to wage war with? You wouldn't box by the rules if you fought Joe Frazier in his prime, would you?

So it's ok to blow up people who you feel have slighted you? I'm just trying to understand the way the left thinks.


So, if a technologically advanced alien force invaded the US, eliminated the duly elected government and setup their own puppet government. Then used that government to exploit the US for their own benefit, while farking over the population. You would be doing what? Working with the aliens to help fark over your fellow Americans? Or would you be part of the resistance?

Because that's essentially how the people in the countries the US has farked around with view it. To a lot of them, working with the US government is equivalent to being a collaborator in France in WWII.
 
2014-01-19 11:37:49 AM  

Son of Thunder: jso2897: During the Soviet era, the armed forces wore dress uniform hats tghat were quite large. You can see the same style echoed in the North Korean military still, today.
I therefore conclude that big hats are an essential and indispensible feature of Communist philosophy, and that communism can't be communism without big hats.

Compare the number of people imprisoned and killed by those regimes for wearing small hats to the number imprisoned and killed for being religious, then get back to us with your theory.


Categorize people by any means you like - and you will find that Stalin killed vast quantities of any category of people you'd care to name. You can single out religious people because you think it serves your argument, but it's a meaningless distinction of your own manufacture.
Just like my meaningless distinction of big hats. Short version - you missed the point. I was making an example of a bad argument - not an argument.
 
2014-01-19 11:55:46 AM  
Really this all started with Sumerian.   If they had never created the first city none of this would have never have happened damn it!
 
2014-01-19 11:59:07 AM  
OscarTamerz: ...Nobody ever remembers Hitler was democratically elected.

I'm pretty sure that comes up quite a bit every time somebody loses an election.
 
2014-01-19 12:02:16 PM  

PunGent: Dr.Mxyzptlk.: Funny thing, it's actually the religion of progressivismthat Hillary, and her fellow travelers follow that will keep these women under the thumb and cover of the hajib.  Also under the mullahs too.

Show us on the doll where Woodrow Wilson touched you.


I clicked the 'Funny' button six times but it only gave me credit for one, damnit!
 
2014-01-19 12:07:38 PM  

cryinoutloud: hubiestubert: But it is understandable. Like Chris Rock said, "you gotta look at OJ's situation. He's paying $25,000 a month in alimony, got another man driving around in his car and f*cking his wife in a house he's still paying the mortgage on. Now I'm not saying he should have killed her... but I understand."

Don't even post that shiat, hubie, not even as an aside. That quote right there is the reason I farking hate Chris Rock. Somebody understands how a person could kill their ex? That's funny? That's not a joke, not in any goddamn universe anywhere. That's pathetic. She wasn't his wife anymore, she didn't get that kind of money from him, and they were divorced. Whatever she did with her life after that was HER LIFE. Unless, of course, you see things like OJ Simpson did.

My ex said that very thing to me after I left him--"Now I understand how people murder their exes"--and I assure you, it is never a joke.
Now you all carry on with your Afghanistan flamewar, I'm out of here.


Understanding the source of anger is the first step to overcoming it. Justification is built up to give it vent, but you have to understand the source before you can get over that hill and deal with the real issues. Understanding the source of anger isn't justifying it, or accepting the results as justified. We can't afford to NOT understand where the anger comes from in these cases. Not in the Middle East, not in divorce court either. Too often we ignore the sources of folk's feelings of slight, how they feel they've been thwarted, or wronged, and that often leads folks to feel that they have to take matters into their own hands. It makes things worse to not acknowledge where the anger comes from.

jaybeezey: DrPainMD: Would that work if a foreign country did to us what we've done to them? Would YOU cooperate with them? Me, I'd learn how to build a remote-controlled bomb and set it by the side of the road, waiting for them to drive by. And I'd also kill any Americans who cooperated with them. Unlike  hubiestubert, I think that their terrorism and attempts at terrorism is totally justified... how else can you fight an enemy that is 100 years more technologically advanced and has 10,000 times the money to wage war with? You wouldn't box by the rules if you fought Joe Frazier in his prime, would you?

So it's ok to blow up people who you feel have slighted you? I'm just trying to understand the way the left thinks.


There are worse things going on in these countries than them fighting us. Jihadists kill more Muslims than foreigners. By far. Between the practice of declaration of takfir--declaration of infidel status, and often by a layman as opposed to an Imam--and just the internal power struggles, and just plain thuggery to keep power, these folks are doing a damn fine job at keeping their countries divided and expending a lot of time, effort, and ammunition terrorizing one another. That's our legacy in Iraq and Afghanistan. That is part of why we need to do more to engage these populations, and fix the wrong we've done them, because our efforts have set them against not just us, not just against foreign interests, but deepened divides within their nations to the point where they are perfectly willing to exterminate one another, and for incredibly short term gain.

Most of the folks in these countries just want to get on with their lives. Unfortunately, they've got a lot of neighbors who have guns, who have their sights set on righting wrongs, and grabbing as much stuff as they can to line their own pockets, and remake the country in an image that sounds really cool on paper, but maybe hasn't been thought through very well. Or worse, they've thought through it, and said, "Yeah, I'm good with this sh*tty situation, because I'mma get paid." That we helped slide a lot of those guns into their hands makes it our issue. That we inspired folks to slide guns into their hands, that makes it our issue. The best way to deal with the insurgents, has been to engage the population. To help make their lives better, directly. To show them respect, respect their traditions, and actually BE in their neighborhoods, along side them. To help them rebuild, to help them reform, to give them something other than just aid money--which often gets siphoned off long before it hits the neighborhoods--but to help them foster an atmosphere where they can build something other than just brick and mortar. Folks need economic opportunities. They need safe neighborhoods, clear of thugs who are just looking for an easy payday, and live out their fantasies of fighting "the West."

We have to engage folks, not just in a tactical fashion, and shoot motherf*ckers, but to help them build more, to forge their own plans, and to help them defend it from the opportunistic bastiches both from the West, and the thugs who see opportunity rising from aid coming in--and the factionalistic bastiches who see opportunity to get some payback for grief years ago.

I understand the drive to just want to level sh*t, because that's easier than the real job.
 
2014-01-19 12:14:09 PM  

fusillade762: Fark It: Iran was like this before the Ayatollah.

And Iraq was pretty similar before US sanctions took full effect. Then of course the invasion shot everything to hell.

Why women are less free 10 years after the invasion of Iraq



Iraqi women at university in Iraq in the 1970s


Came in here to say this.
 
2014-01-19 12:32:37 PM  

Lee451: jchic: When was the last time religion actually improved a country?

I think the Soviet Union is  excellent example of what atheism does to a country. Or China under Mao. Cambodia under Pol Pot?


So then Hitler is an excellent example of what religion does?
 
2014-01-19 12:34:06 PM  
The predominantly Christian west has created a society where people are treated much more fairly. We chastise the imperialism, but when we learn what the alternative is is most of the world it is horrific, oppressive and really abusive to the dignity of people. Sounds good to let Muslims spread throughout the world, but look what they do when in power. It makes the inquisitions and the ongoing guillotine of the French "enlightenment"  seem like two 7 years in a slap fight. Time to look at the whole historical truth and not the narrative predominantly taught.
 
2014-01-19 12:37:09 PM  

Lee451: bindlestiff2600: jchic: When was the last time religion actually improved a country?

just sayin
reactionary religion is often the response to the country becoming poor

So, you are saying the progressive policies of "take from those who work and give to those who don't" are leading us to this?


The last time we had an economic crisis like this, progressive policies gave us the WPA and CCC and jobs.
So tell us, where are the martherfarking jobs, farkwit?

/Of course, they also made income taxes far more progressive and instituted programs to take care of our own.
//When did screwing our own people become OK?
///I'll give you hints: The Birchers allied with evangelicals. Rhymes with Bouthern Grategy. Saint Ron (F-CA).
 
2014-01-19 12:41:46 PM  

Lsherm: hubiestubert: Iran. Iraq. Afghanistan. All of these countries have legitimate beefs with US foreign policy, and the meddling in their affairs. Iran was one of the most progressive democracies in the Middle East before the US, Great Britain and BP helped engineer a return of the Shah. Iraq wasn't as progressive, but was on track, until it ran afoul of US interests. Afghanistan had its issues, but between the Soviets and the American interest in their nation, and our backing folks with a LOT of munitions, with NO assistance once they ousted the Soviets, yeah, the Taliban went to work on whipping things into shape as they saw fit.

The anger in these countries isn't about our freedoms. It isn't about our faith. It isn't about Israel even--though in part, keeping these nations rife with internal struggles and under the thumb of theocrats without much interest in actually building or educating their people in a modern sense IS in Israel's interests--it's about actions. Actions that have impacted their nations fair severely.

Until we understand this, we aren't going to make any headway. At some point, WE need to apologize and try to set things right. Not by imposing MOAR sanctions, not by demanding compliant leadership, not by tearing down their governments, but by helping them achieve their own goals, and help them back into the circle of nations, and not just by shipping oil out, or letting contractors in.

These nations are the way they are today, because of things we did. To them. Years ago. Direct actions. Actions through intermediaries to give us "deniability." Actions that set their nations back generations. We did this, and the anger is real, and it is even justified.

Does this mean that the support of terrorism is just? Nope. But it is understandable. Like Chris Rock said, "you gotta look at OJ's situation. He's paying $25,000 a month in alimony, got another man driving around in his car and f*cking his wife in a house he's still paying the mortgage on. Now I'm not saying he ...

So appeasement?  That's your answer?

I agree we've created a rabid dog in multiple points the world over, but letting it run free isn't a solution.  Caging it, paying off its offspring with food and then killing the older generation is the only thing that's going to let us move forward.

If you let the offended run things, they're correctly going to bite that which attacked them.  That dog has to be put down, but the next generation can learn that there's good to be had by cooperating.


What is being spoken of really is not a hard concept to grasp. Stop being d*cks to people abroad, and you will find after some time that you have fewer enemies.

some people like to say things like america views itself as the worlds police. If that is the case than it would be in americas best interest to stay out of other countries domestic disputes.

lets face it everybody knows when you get in the middle of a domestic squabble the odds of them both turning on you are pretty good.


these days I think of america as being like an international version of george zimmerman, in that it likes to pick fights and escalate them. Afterwards claiming to be the victim in the situation. Most sane people dont really buy that shiat.
 
2014-01-19 12:43:01 PM  

Son of Thunder: Bslim: Son of Thunder: Bslim: Lee451: jchic: When was the last time religion actually improved a country?

I think the Soviet Union is  excellent example of what atheism does to a country. Or China under Mao. Cambodia under Pol Pot?

Yeah cause it was all about the atheism.

Funny, your use of the word "all". No, those regimes were not ALL about atheism, any more than (as has been pointed out in this thread) the situation in Afghanistan is ALL about Islam. But it takes a special kind of willful myopia combined with all-or-nothing simplemindedness to pretend that the existence of one factor means that we can ignore another factor when explaining a situation.

Okay, why don't you explain it, chief.

Shall I teach you the entire Torah while you stand on one foot while I'm at it?


The rest is commentary.
Now go and learn it.

/Education is incomplete without contemplation and review and discussion.
//And, on extremely rare occasions, Shammai's clue-by-four.
 
2014-01-19 12:43:41 PM  

jchic: When was the last time religion actually improved a country?


Most of those people in those photographs were already Muslim.

The problem with your statement is that the Taliban is not simply an example of religion, but rather religion combined with ultra-nationalist politics and xenophobic paranoia. Equating all faith to extremist fundamentalism oversimplifies the issues and makes you dumb.

But to answer your question, I'll refer you to Patton Oswalt.
 
2014-01-19 12:46:23 PM  

HindiDiscoMonster: Bslim: Now it's a religious paradise. Hopefully that enlightment will come to America.

The problems ther go far beyond religion. They were caused by a rabid dog (USA), the Soviets, The Brits, and associated allies, as well as spycraft in general... rplacing legit regimes with puppets.

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/We meddle, and we haven't the right to.
//Serenity shows a great example of a govt run amok... just like ours.


Hahahahah! HAHAHAHAHA!  (takes a breath)  OMG, the stunning naivete ...  Hahahahahah!!  Serenity is a fabulous movie but you're conflating History to the point of making pretzels. The Nations are a symptom of an underlying evil.

www.heliosderm.com

Besides Afghanistan's nearly 7,000 year history, the recent troubles are a mere two words in a thirty page book, but if you  really want to know the root cause of today's troubles   go here  and get a small, small taste of how the Democrat Party controls Washington and where their money comes from. The great shipping magnate families of the Northeast. These opium warlords control your nation and mine to this day. If you think for even a moment they got out of a business where money and power quite literally grows on plants, you've got a lot of maturing to do.
 
2014-01-19 01:00:15 PM  

JohnnyC: The first 'modern university' taught religion, medicine, and engineering. It wasn't created by religion, it was created by society to teach the things that were important to them at the time (which included more than religion).


What university is this? The oldest I know of is the University of Bologna, founded by students in 1088 to study Roman law.
 
2014-01-19 01:07:53 PM  

Gordon Bennett: JohnnyC: The first 'modern university' taught religion, medicine, and engineering. It wasn't created by religion, it was created by society to teach the things that were important to them at the time (which included more than religion).

What university is this? The oldest I know of is the University of Bologna, founded by students in 1088 to study Roman law.


I *think* he was referring to the institutes of higher learning in places like ancient Greece.
 
2014-01-19 01:08:43 PM  

miscreant: jaybeezey: Would that work if a foreign country did to us what we've done to them? Would YOU cooperate with them? Me, I'd learn how to build a remote-controlled bomb and set it by the side of the road, waiting for them to drive by. And I'd also kill any Americans who cooperated with them. Unlike hubiestubert, I think that their terrorism and attempts at terrorism is totally justified... how else can you fight an enemy that is 100 years more technologically advanced and has 10,000 times the money to wage war with? You wouldn't box by the rules if you fought Joe Frazier in his prime, would you?

So it's ok to blow up people who you feel have slighted you? I'm just trying to understand the way the left thinks.

So, if a technologically advanced alien force invaded the US, eliminated the duly elected government and setup their own puppet government. Then used that government to exploit the US for their own benefit, while farking over the population. You would be doing what? Working with the aliens to help fark over your fellow Americans? Or would you be part of the resistance?

Because that's essentially how the people in the countries the US has farked around with view it. To a lot of them, working with the US government is equivalent to being a collaborator in France in WWII.


This is nothing new in history. All nations that become super powers do this.  Its been done for a long long long time.  That is how they stay on top.  It doesnt last forever but you can make it last a long time.
 
2014-01-19 01:13:48 PM  

Hickory-smoked: jchic: When was the last time religion actually improved a country?

Most of those people in those photographs were already Muslim.

The problem with your statement is that the Taliban is not simply an example of religion, but rather religion combined with ultra-nationalist politics and xenophobic paranoia. Equating all faith to extremist fundamentalism oversimplifies the issues and makes you dumb.

But to answer your question, I'll refer you to Patton Oswalt.


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One of the best critiques and examinations of the drive towards Fundamentalism in ALL of the People of the Book put to pen for a long while. Fundamentalism coupled with nationalism is not a feature of Islam alone, and that's something that a lot of folks forget. When you couple nationalism with Fundamentalism you get folks who equate their national interests with the backing of God, and thus, anyone who opposes you is opposing the Will and the Word, and that makes it for damn sure easy to ignore a lot of folk's right to exist. Be that Christian, Jewish or Muslims. And that is what we face, along side thugs and opportunists who simply borrow the trappings so that they can cage more sh*t from those who don't have the access to guns that they do.
 
2014-01-19 01:19:10 PM  

hubiestubert: Hickory-smoked: jchic: When was the last time religion actually improved a country?

Most of those people in those photographs were already Muslim.

The problem with your statement is that the Taliban is not simply an example of religion, but rather religion combined with ultra-nationalist politics and xenophobic paranoia. Equating all faith to extremist fundamentalism oversimplifies the issues and makes you dumb.

But to answer your question, I'll refer you to Patton Oswalt.

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One of the best critiques and examinations of the drive towards Fundamentalism in ALL of the People of the Book put to pen for a long while. Fundamentalism coupled with nationalism is not a feature of Islam alone, and that's something that a lot of folks forget. When you couple nationalism with Fundamentalism you get folks who equate their national interests with the backing of God, and thus, anyone who opposes you is opposing the Will and the Word, and that makes it for damn sure easy to ignore a lot of folk's right to exist. Be that Christian, Jewish or Muslims. And that is what we face, along side thugs and opportunists who simply borrow the trappings so that they can cage more sh*t from those who don't have the access to guns that they do.


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So the sooner this guy comes to power the sooner that regions stop fighting each other?
 
2014-01-19 01:19:43 PM  

scroufus: So, if a technologically advanced alien force invaded the US, eliminated the duly elected government and setup their own puppet government. Then used that government to exploit the US for their own benefit, while farking over the population. You would be doing what? Working with the aliens to help fark over your fellow Americans? Or would you be part of the resistance?


OK, genius, why aren't you out killing the Lizardmen Republicans?
One of those aliens derailed the government and almost pushed the global economy over the brink.
Again.
 
2014-01-19 01:21:44 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: scroufus: So, if a technologically advanced alien force invaded the US, eliminated the duly elected government and setup their own puppet government. Then used that government to exploit the US for their own benefit, while farking over the population. You would be doing what? Working with the aliens to help fark over your fellow Americans? Or would you be part of the resistance?

OK, genius, why aren't you out killing the Lizardmen Republicans?
One of those aliens derailed the government and almost pushed the global economy over the brink.
Again.


I didnt write that
 
2014-01-19 01:22:34 PM  
Its going to be a sad day when that Afghani girl goes back to her homeland and the Taliban get around to burning her at the stake and show it on youtube.  The only thing we should be building in the middle east is a concrete dome over it all.
 
2014-01-19 01:25:46 PM  

scroufus: demaL-demaL-yeH: scroufus: So, if a technologically advanced alien force invaded the US, eliminated the duly elected government and setup their own puppet government. Then used that government to exploit the US for their own benefit, while farking over the population. You would be doing what? Working with the aliens to help fark over your fellow Americans? Or would you be part of the resistance?

OK, genius, why aren't you out killing the Lizardmen Republicans?
One of those aliens derailed the government and almost pushed the global economy over the brink.
Again.

I didnt write that


I see. Apologies for whatever the fark it is that happened there.
/What did happen?
 
2014-01-19 01:30:15 PM  

orclover: Its going to be a sad day when that Afghani girl goes back to her homeland and the Taliban get around to burning her at the stake and show it on youtube.  The only thing we should be building in the middle east is a concrete dome over it all.


what are you 12 or 60?
 
2014-01-19 01:31:29 PM  

grumpfuff: Gordon Bennett: JohnnyC: The first 'modern university' taught religion, medicine, and engineering. It wasn't created by religion, it was created by society to teach the things that were important to them at the time (which included more than religion).

What university is this? The oldest I know of is the University of Bologna, founded by students in 1088 to study Roman law.

I *think* he was referring to the institutes of higher learning in places like ancient Greece.


You are correct. I was referring to the The Platonic Academy (387 BC) in ancient Greece. I think the oldest, 'European' university is the University of Bologna. Neither was founded by religion.
 
2014-01-19 01:45:33 PM  

jaylectricity: This could never happen in America.


Because it already did?
criticsandbuilders.typepad.com

Or because it's a short couple of steps to imagine it could again?
www.fem2pt0.com

I realize odds are excellent that you're trolling, but don't for a second think that some short-dicked, embittered, god-addled loser isn't thinking "putting women back in their place" isn't an excellent idea.
 
2014-01-19 01:49:47 PM  

jso2897: subsetzero: Third world dung heap.  Farkem.....

How 'bout we just stand off at a safe distance and watch 'em fark each orther?


Like Syria, you mean?
 
2014-01-19 02:06:23 PM  

Valiente: jso2897: subsetzero: Third world dung heap.  Farkem.....

How 'bout we just stand off at a safe distance and watch 'em fark each orther?

Like Syria, you mean?


Syria is farked if we do something and farked if we dont.  The US can not solve that riddle.   Sucks that a civil war is going on there but there is a lot of bloodshed going on all over the world.  Hell look at Africa.  Hell look at Mexico, which is actually connected to the US.  78,000 people have died in Mexico since the drug war kicked off in 2006.  Syria death toll is higher in a shorter time yes but still thats not the point.   What would you suggest the US or the world do for that matter on Syria?  There is not an  easy answer.  The main reason why Syria gets more news coverage is because its neighbor is Israel.  They've got to be worried about any outcome in Syria.  If Bassard wins he will strike Israel for them striking Syria. He has promised that on worldwide news.  If Bassard loses then you've got the potential for a terror network to do harm to Israel too.
 
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