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(American Thinker)   Obamacare will inevitably lead to single-payer   ( americanthinker.com) divider line
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2014-01-18 01:23:44 PM  
If only...
 
2014-01-18 01:29:34 PM  
And that's a bad thing because?
 
2014-01-18 01:36:26 PM  
I have been repeatedly assured by those on the Right that nothing could possibly be worse than Obamacare

/therefore single-payer would be an improvement, no?
//plus it will prove Obamacare was the abject failure y'all have been squealing about since the day the website rolled out
///whining about winning now?
 
2014-01-18 01:48:17 PM  
Ok.
 
2014-01-18 01:48:23 PM  
If the GOP was smart, they'd push for single-payer in order to take over the issue and pin Obamacare as the failure that forced them to intervene and save the nation.
 
2014-01-18 01:48:51 PM  
That would be great if it happens. Not sure on the details of the exact bill he mentions, but a true universal single payer system paid out of tax revenue is what we need.
 
2014-01-18 01:52:13 PM  

vygramul: If the GOP was smart, they'd push for single-payer in order to take over the issue and pin Obamacare as the failure that forced them to intervene and save the nation.


That would make this a wonderful bizarro world.
 
2014-01-18 02:01:46 PM  

Therion: vygramul: If the GOP was smart, they'd push for single-payer in order to take over the issue and pin Obamacare as the failure that forced them to intervene and save the nation.

That would make this a wonderful bizarro world.


Oh, they will. I keep saying, when we finally get single-payer, the Republicans will take credit for it. They're in the process of talking themselves into it right now.
 
2014-01-18 02:03:41 PM  
Works for me.
 
2014-01-18 02:05:30 PM  

vygramul: If the GOP was smart, they'd push for single-payer in order to take over the issue and pin Obamacare as the failure that forced them to intervene and save the nation.


Would you trust a single payer system designed by the GOP?
 
2014-01-18 02:08:57 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: vygramul: If the GOP was smart, they'd push for single-payer in order to take over the issue and pin Obamacare as the failure that forced them to intervene and save the nation.

Would you trust a single payer system designed by the GOP?


Nope.
 
2014-01-18 02:30:02 PM  

slepygryhnd: TuteTibiImperes: vygramul: If the GOP was smart, they'd push for single-payer in order to take over the issue and pin Obamacare as the failure that forced them to intervene and save the nation.

Would you trust a single payer system designed by the GOP?

Nope.


Heh. It would ban birth control, abortion and Pap smears.
 
2014-01-18 02:31:36 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: vygramul: If the GOP was smart, they'd push for single-payer in order to take over the issue and pin Obamacare as the failure that forced them to intervene and save the nation.

Would you trust a single payer system designed by the GOP?


We trust an Obamacare designed by the GOP.
 
2014-01-18 02:54:36 PM  
Good.

It's a f*cking confused mess right now. Just put everyone on Medicare up the FICA contributions and join the first world
 
2014-01-18 02:59:26 PM  
Healthcare.gov advised me to dump my kids into the Louisiana LA CHip system (the state charity program) and then my wife and I would pay $900 a month with a $9,000 deductible. Total $19,800 per year for 80/20 coverage

Isn't that a two payer system?

BTW, I now have Blue Cross @$1.300/ month (it went up over $200 this year after the AHA) with a $3.800 deduc covering all four of us at 100% except for meds. That means going through Obamacare would cost me over $400 more to cover less AND I would have to take my kids to specific providers farther away.

I'm not sure the politicians understand the definition of "affordable".
 
2014-01-18 03:09:06 PM  
Is that American Thinker admitting defeat?

Admitting that the dreaded, single payor system is coming?

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2014-01-18 03:12:01 PM  

vygramul: If the GOP was smart, they'd push for single-payer in order to take over the issue and pin Obamacare as the failure that forced them to intervene and save the nation.


After spending several years convincing their base that single payer was socialism and death panels, I doubt they could sell that position. The tea part is a mob that is not so easy to redirect.
 
2014-01-18 03:20:51 PM  

Ambivalence: vygramul: If the GOP was smart, they'd push for single-payer in order to take over the issue and pin Obamacare as the failure that forced them to intervene and save the nation.

After spending several years convincing their base that single payer was socialism and death panels, I doubt they could sell that position. The tea part is a mob that is not so easy to redirect.


Have they ever taken intellectually consistent positions? They'll approve of anything a Republican suggests.
 
2014-01-18 03:36:43 PM  

vygramul: We trust an Obamacare designed by the GOP.


This fact has boggled my mind since day one. What we got in the ACA was the same plan Dole put forward in 93 and designed by the Heritage Foundation. How the hell do you oppose something you created twenty years ago?

/We get it, He's blah.
 
2014-01-18 04:08:05 PM  
Potat--...  waitaminute, that article isn't as bad as the usual dreck American Stinker greenlit stuff.  Instead of spouting a bunch of unsupported beliefs it's explaining how things actually work, asking questions and attempting to provide answers.  And it plays the conservative attack as an argument for single-payer.  I am shocked.

This can only mean one thing : it's not gonna be greenlit.

/will enjoy being proven wrong
 
2014-01-18 04:26:30 PM  

Irving Maimway: vygramul: We trust an Obamacare designed by the GOP.

This fact has boggled my mind since day one. What we got in the ACA was the same plan Dole put forward in 93 and designed by the Heritage Foundation. How the hell do you oppose something you created twenty years ago?

/We get it, He's blah.


Dole is a RINO and thrown under the bus.

The GOP is completely disconnected from reality.
 
2014-01-18 04:36:42 PM  

djkutch: Irving Maimway: vygramul: We trust an Obamacare designed by the GOP.

This fact has boggled my mind since day one. What we got in the ACA was the same plan Dole put forward in 93 and designed by the Heritage Foundation. How the hell do you oppose something you created twenty years ago?

/We get it, He's blah.

Dole is a RINO and thrown under the bus.

The GOP is completely disconnected from reality.


Wow, that's just sad. Bob Dole may be a lot of things, but the guy's a farking war hero and you just shiat on him like that? Good Lard.
 
2014-01-18 04:38:53 PM  
I certainly hope so.
 
2014-01-18 04:39:46 PM  
Twenty-somethings are used to making purchases in seconds through their smart phones, from iTunes or Amazon. Do they have the interest and patience to struggle through the morass or will they give up and pay the small penalty for not having insurance?

Despite what old people think, not every 20-something is an abject moron. If we're going to make generalizations, I'd think that old people would have a harder time negotiating the web site to sign up than younger people.
 
2014-01-18 04:46:37 PM  
It's as if the blood at American Thinker has run utterly cold, their collective assholes puckered with crippling fear and the realization that full-blown socialism is more effective and efficient than the tortured mess that is Obamacare.
 
2014-01-18 04:54:35 PM  

Irving Maimway: Bob Dole may be a lot of things, but the guy's a farking war hero and you just shiat on him like that? Good Lard.


Point the First: "War Hero" to the GOP means people like Allen West or Illario Pantano. So "war criminal". Bob Dole just didn't live up to that standard.

Point the Second: Being a "war hero" doesn't automatically make you credible. Being a hard-working politician willing to be thoughtful, respectful, and making an honest attempt to serve the public is what makes you credible. Which is what Bob Dole did.
 
2014-01-18 04:58:09 PM  
That'd be nice, but I doubt the GOP would be able to stomach that.  Too many 'tards on the far right would use that to primary the shiat out of whoever votes for it.
 
2014-01-18 05:03:26 PM  
Good. We can join the rest of the civilized world.
 
2014-01-18 05:05:59 PM  

doyner: That'd be nice, but I doubt the GOP would be able to stomach that.  Too many 'tards on the far right would use that to primary the shiat out of whoever votes for it.


All they have to do is get Rush and his ilk to say it's a good thing. The GOP base is not concerned with things like logical consistency. Nor do they really understand what socialism is.They respond to emotional tone - not actual content.
 
2014-01-18 05:17:27 PM  

Ambivalence: vygramul: If the GOP was smart, they'd push for single-payer in order to take over the issue and pin Obamacare as the failure that forced them to intervene and save the nation.

After spending several years convincing their base that single payer was socialism and death panels, I doubt they could sell that position. The tea part is a mob that is not so easy to redirect.


Just call it ReaganPatriotFreedomCare®
 
2014-01-18 05:29:41 PM  
That's the idea, yeah.
 
2014-01-18 05:33:57 PM  
I'm okay with this. I want to be a good parent, a good spouse, and an expert in my chosen field of employment.

If I wanted to spend my life as an insurance analyst and lawyer, I would have done so. Charge me whatever it costs, and let me get on with my life.
 
2014-01-18 05:34:01 PM  

Eddie Adams from Torrance: Ambivalence: vygramul: If the GOP was smart, they'd push for single-payer in order to take over the issue and pin Obamacare as the failure that forced them to intervene and save the nation.

After spending several years convincing their base that single payer was socialism and death panels, I doubt they could sell that position. The tea part is a mob that is not so easy to redirect.

Just call it ReaganPatriotFreedomCare®


And since most Democrats would vote for it, Republicans could declare a new level of triumph in bipartisan compromise.
 
2014-01-18 05:57:41 PM  

vygramul: If the GOP was smart, they'd push for single-payer in order to take over the issue and pin Obamacare as the failure that forced them to intervene and save the nation.


I think I found the flaw in your premise...
 
2014-01-18 06:18:59 PM  
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2014-01-18 06:20:10 PM  

quickdraw: doyner: That'd be nice, but I doubt the GOP would be able to stomach that.  Too many 'tards on the far right would use that to primary the shiat out of whoever votes for it.

All they have to do is get Rush and his ilk to say it's a good thing. The GOP base is not concerned with things like logical consistency. Nor do they really understand what socialism is.They respond to emotional tone - not actual content.


The chocolate ration is being raised from 1.75 oz to 1.70 oz
 
2014-01-18 06:20:40 PM  
Single payer for basic care simply makes sense. If you care about America as a country.
 
2014-01-18 06:21:36 PM  

Bondith: vygramul: If the GOP was smart, they'd push for single-payer in order to take over the issue and pin Obamacare as the failure that forced them to intervene and save the nation.

I think I found the flaw in your premise...


The problem with vygramul's post isn't (just) that the GOP aren't particularly smart. It's that 'Greed' is the core of all GOP policies, and single payer would effectively eliminate the health insurance industry. No health insurance industry means no  bribes campaign contributions from insurance companies.
 
2014-01-18 06:22:25 PM  
That'll never work.  We should go back to denying people insurance because of pre-existing conditions and putting a cap on benefits.  We had it and we threw it away, America.
 
2014-01-18 06:22:36 PM  

hardinparamedic: Is that American Thinker admitting defeat?

Admitting that the dreaded, single payor system is coming?


Much in the same way Evangelicals' expectation that the Antichrist is nigh is an admission of defeat.
 
2014-01-18 06:22:46 PM  
The sooner the better.
 
2014-01-18 06:24:04 PM  
Could the US really be that rational? Derp seems to be stronger than rational thought here.
 
2014-01-18 06:24:30 PM  
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2014-01-18 06:25:36 PM  

Irving Maimway: Wow, that's just sad. Bob Dole may be a lot of things, but the guy's a farking war hero and you just shiat on him like that? Good Lard.


Yeah, he really Swift-Boated Bob's ass.
 
2014-01-18 06:25:53 PM  
One can only hope.
I hope the Republicans run with it. They can roll out the smaller/lesser/shrinking government parade by eliminating all the various plans (Medicaire, Medicaid, VA, etc.) and having one single system. They can brag about finally defeating Obamacare and they can crow about their bipartisan success and the evidence of how they're a party of the people and blah blah blah just get on with it already!
 
2014-01-18 06:26:12 PM  

dr_blasto: slepygryhnd: TuteTibiImperes: vygramul: If the GOP was smart, they'd push for single-payer in order to take over the issue and pin Obamacare as the failure that forced them to intervene and save the nation.

Would you trust a single payer system designed by the GOP?

Nope.

Heh. It would ban birth control, abortion and Pap smears.


I bet they'd try to include a 'no coverage for gays and sluts who get STDs' clause as well.
 
2014-01-18 06:27:27 PM  
Has anyone pointed out yet that if John Roberts had struck down the ACA individual mandate along with the other reactionary Conservative Judges, that there would have been no other alternative than to resort to single payer.

I think he knew this, and ruled to avoid that dreadful, and yet so obvious a solution to  parasitic Health Insurance/Big Medicine/BigPharma.

The system may just need to collapse before the Hog Wallow that is the Health Care delivery system shifts to something more sane.
 
2014-01-18 06:27:54 PM  

manner34: Facts please

Was it 30 or was it 40 Million that needed Obamacare?

And only 1 Million signed up? Most of them had their insurance cxed?

Utter Socialism Failure.


It's funny that you think being required to buy a product from a private company is socialism.
 
2014-01-18 06:27:59 PM  
Good. Let's get it going.
 
2014-01-18 06:28:32 PM  
I have been told by many of the derper brigade that this was the intention of the ACA in the first place. Most of them are oblivious that the GOP itself designed the ACA until the blah guy came around.
 
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