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(Billboard)   Fifty years ago today, The Beatles had their first Billboard #1 with the schmaltzy "I Want To Hold Your Hand." And still, tween boy bands manage to dominate the charts   (billboard.com) divider line 102
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2014-01-18 04:06:49 PM  
www.battleswarmblog.com
 
2014-01-18 04:45:25 PM  
I like "I'm a Believer" more.
 
2014-01-18 04:53:32 PM  
The big difference is that they played their own instruments and didn't dance.  And oh, they had more talent than any boy band or teen star that's come along since.
 
2014-01-18 05:01:09 PM  
The Beatles: the original annoying boy band
 
2014-01-18 05:02:08 PM  

bluorangefyre: The big difference is that they played their own instruments and didn't dance.  And oh, they had more talent than any boy band or teen star that's come along since.


In the beginning, they would stupid hop in unison at the end of their tunes.  Not a fan.
 
2014-01-18 05:04:42 PM  
Interestingly, the original title "I Wanna Pound Your Clam" was nixed by Brian Epstein
 
2014-01-18 05:09:07 PM  
What's wrong with "I Wanna Hold Your Hand?"

I love that song.
 
2014-01-18 05:12:28 PM  
Does HOTY have a trolling section?  If it did this is a very good early contender.  Almost perfect except the 'tween' part.
 
2014-01-18 05:14:26 PM  
 
2014-01-18 05:16:06 PM  
Yeah, there had been boy bands for years before the Beatles. Today's boy bands have a lot more in common with the old doo-wop groups than they do with the Beatles. Hell, they have more in common with the Monkees.
 
2014-01-18 05:19:36 PM  

Mugato: I like "I'm a Believer" more.


I dunno. "Sugar Sugar" was pretty good, too.
 
2014-01-18 05:22:00 PM  

tbaughm: The Beatles: the original annoying boy band


Dude that is the most transparent trolling effort ever. No one is stupid enough to believe the Beatles would qualify as a boy band.
 
2014-01-18 05:22:26 PM  
Its every generation throws a hero up the pop charts.
 
2014-01-18 05:23:08 PM  
And I immediately began hounding my parents to let me take guitar lessons

/and I did
//thus began my long career in learning about lacking talent for something
 
2014-01-18 05:24:52 PM  

Jill Came Down With Two-Fifty: No one is stupid enough to believe the Beatles would qualify as a boy band.


Beatles fans
static.guim.co.uk

Bieber fans
www.rounds.com

Totes different.
 
2014-01-18 05:25:21 PM  

bluorangefyre: The big difference is that they played their own instruments and didn't dance.  And oh, they had more talent than any boy band or teen star that's come along since.


Prince.

In the raw talent department, you could easily make the case that he pisses all over every pop star that's ever existed.

//R Kelly jokes start now
 
2014-01-18 05:27:16 PM  

Jill Came Down With Two-Fifty: tbaughm: The Beatles: the original annoying boy band

Dude that is the most transparent trolling effort ever. No one is stupid enough to believe the Beatles would qualify as a boy band.


They certainly had legions of little girl fans in crush with them. I thought that was the prime requirement?


Also, the devil has hands and he uses 'em for holdin'.
 
2014-01-18 05:27:51 PM  

jaytkay: Jill Came Down With Two-Fifty: No one is stupid enough to believe the Beatles would qualify as a boy band.

Beatles fans


Bieber fans


Totes different.


Shh. There are Boomers here.

All you need is love. And a British mansion estate. And a Rolls Royce. And a suite atThe Dakota. And a huge bank account.

Like...namaste...and stuff.
 
2014-01-18 05:32:35 PM  
jaytkay:

Beatles fans
[static.guim.co.uk image 460x276]



They should fark off and buy more records!
 
2014-01-18 05:37:20 PM  

contrapunctus: Shh. There are Boomers here.


They're not dead yet? Sigh. I'll wait.
 
2014-01-18 05:42:20 PM  
The fact that so many books still name the Beatles "the greatest or most significant or most influential" rock band ever only tells you how far rock music still is from becoming a serious art. Jazz critics have long recognized that the greatest jazz musicians of all times are Duke Ellington and John Coltrane, who were not the most famous or richest or best sellers of their times, let alone of all times. Classical critics rank the highly controversial Beethoven over classical musicians who were highly popular in courts around Europe. Rock critics are still blinded by commercial success: the Beatles sold more than anyone else (not true, by the way), therefore they must have been the greatest. Jazz critics grow up listening to a lot of jazz music of the past, classical critics grow up listening to a lot of classical music of the past. Rock critics are often totally ignorant of the rock music of the past, they barely know the best sellers. No wonder they will think that the Beatles did anything worth of being saved.
 
2014-01-18 05:46:12 PM  

FeedTheCollapse: The fact that so many books still name the Beatles "the greatest or most significant or most influential" rock band ever only tells you how far rock music still is from becoming a serious art. Jazz critics have long recognized that the greatest jazz musicians of all times are Duke Ellington and John Coltrane, who were not the most famous or richest or best sellers of their times, let alone of all times. Classical critics rank the highly controversial Beethoven over classical musicians who were highly popular in courts around Europe. Rock critics are still blinded by commercial success: the Beatles sold more than anyone else (not true, by the way), therefore they must have been the greatest. Jazz critics grow up listening to a lot of jazz music of the past, classical critics grow up listening to a lot of classical music of the past. Rock critics are often totally ignorant of the rock music of the past, they barely know the best sellers. No wonder they will think that the Beatles did anything worth of being saved.


What do you think about Pyramids
 
2014-01-18 05:53:47 PM  

LewDux: FeedTheCollapse: The fact that so many books still name the Beatles "the greatest or most significant or most influential" rock band ever only tells you how far rock music still is from becoming a serious art. Jazz critics have long recognized that the greatest jazz musicians of all times are Duke Ellington and John Coltrane, who were not the most famous or richest or best sellers of their times, let alone of all times. Classical critics rank the highly controversial Beethoven over classical musicians who were highly popular in courts around Europe. Rock critics are still blinded by commercial success: the Beatles sold more than anyone else (not true, by the way), therefore they must have been the greatest. Jazz critics grow up listening to a lot of jazz music of the past, classical critics grow up listening to a lot of classical music of the past. Rock critics are often totally ignorant of the rock music of the past, they barely know the best sellers. No wonder they will think that the Beatles did anything worth of being saved.

What do you think about Pyramids


The Pyramids from Texas mixed black metal, dream-pop and slocore on double-disc  Pyramids (Hydra Head, 2008). The album includes remixes by James Plotkin, Godflesh's Justin Broadrick, Kay Dot's Toby Driver, Prong' drummer Ted Parsons, and Blut Aus Nord.
Leader R Loren also recorded as the industrial punk-rock act White Moth, documented on  White Moth(Angel Oven, 2010), and the Sailors With Wax Wings, the latter documented on  Sailors With Wax Wings (Angel Oven, 2010), halfway between dream-pop and prog-metal.
 
2014-01-18 05:54:49 PM  

FeedTheCollapse: The fact that so many books still name the Beatles "the greatest or most significant or most influential" rock band ever only tells you how far rock music still is from becoming a serious art. Jazz critics have long recognized that the greatest jazz musicians of all times are Duke Ellington and John Coltrane, who were not the most famous or richest or best sellers of their times, let alone of all times. Classical critics rank the highly controversial Beethoven over classical musicians who were highly popular in courts around Europe. Rock critics are still blinded by commercial success: the Beatles sold more than anyone else (not true, by the way), therefore they must have been the greatest. Jazz critics grow up listening to a lot of jazz music of the past, classical critics grow up listening to a lot of classical music of the past. Rock critics are often totally ignorant of the rock music of the past, they barely know the best sellers. No wonder they will think that the Beatles did anything worth of being saved.


If rock criticism hasn't reached that point yet than I wonder how long it's going to take hip hop and electronic music to reach that point.

Probably never.
 
2014-01-18 05:57:24 PM  

Glitchwerks: If rock criticism hasn't reached that point yet than I wonder how long it's going to take hip hop and electronic music to reach that point.



The fact that so many /mu/tants still name Kanye West "the greatest or most significant or most influential" hip hop producer ever only tells you how far hip hop music still is from becoming a serious art. Jazz critics have long recognized that the greatest jazz musicians of all times are Duke Ellington and John Coltrane, who were not the most famous or richest or best sellers of their times, let alone of all times. Classical critics rank the highly controversial Beethoven over classical musicians who were highly popular in courts around Europe. Hip hop critics are still blinded by commercial success: Kanye West received more grammys than anyone else (not true, by the way), therefore he must have been the greatest. Jazz critics grow up listening to a lot of jazz music of the past, classical critics grow up listening to a lot of classical music of the past. Hip hop critics are often totally ignorant of the hip hop music of the past, they barely know the best sellers. No wonder they will think that Kanye West did anything worth of being saved.
In a sense Kanye West is emblematic of the status of hip hop criticism as a whole: too much attention to commercial phenomena (be it Lil' Wayne or Nicki Minaj) and too little attention to the merits of real musicians. If somebody composes the most divine music but no major label picks him up and sells him around the world, a lot of hip hop critics will ignore him. If a major label picks up a musician who is as stereotyped as one can be but launches her or him worldwide, your average critic will waste rivers of ink on her or him. This is the sad status of hip hop criticism: hip hop critics are basically publicists working for free for major labels, distributors and record stores. They simply publicize what the music business wants to make money with.
Hopefully, one not-too-distant day, there will be a clear demarcation between a great band like Death Grips, who never sold much, and commercial products like Kanye West. And hip hop critics will study more of hip hop history and realize who invented what and who simply exploited it commercially.
Kanye West's "ebonic" music removed any trace of white music from hip hop: it replaced sophisticated lyrics about racial inequalities and anti-commercialism with linear, repetitive lyrics about "farking biatches" or "making dosh", and cute white-kid smiles with lusty negro attitudes.
Contemporary musicians never spoke highly of Kanye West, and for a good reason. They could not figure out why Kanye's songs should be regarded more highly than their own. They knew that Kanye was simply lucky to become a folk phenomenon (thanks to "Daft Punk", which had nothing to do with their musical merits). That phenomenon kept alive interest in his (mediocre) musical endeavours to this day. Nothing else grants Kanye West more attention than, say, Jay-Z or A Tribe Called Quest. There was nothing intrinsically better in Kanye's music. MC Ride of Death Grips was certainly a far better spitter than West. Chief Keef is certainly a much more skilled musician than 'Yeezy'. And Dr. Dre was a far more accomplished producer, capable of "Nuthin' but a 'G' Thang" and "California Love". Not to mention later and far greater American musicians. Not to mention the British grime artists who created what West later sold to the masses.
Kanye West sold a lot of records not because he was the greatest musician but simply because his music was easy to sell to the masses: it had no difficult content, it had no technical innovations, it had no creative depth, it had no deep lyrics. He wrote a bunch of catchy 4-minute ditties and he's photogenic. If somebody had not invented "Daft Punk" in 2007, you would not have wasted five minutes of your time to read a page about such a trivial nobody.
 
2014-01-18 06:04:14 PM  

Harry_Seldon: What's wrong with "I Wanna Hold Your Hand?"

I love that song.


I wanna hold your hand
 
2014-01-18 06:05:20 PM  
Rock and roll are zeriouz bidness!

www.bionicdisco.com
 
2014-01-18 06:24:26 PM  

jaytkay: Jill Came Down With Two-Fifty: No one is stupid enough to believe the Beatles would qualify as a boy band.

Beatles fans
[static.guim.co.uk image 460x276]

Bieber fans
[www.rounds.com image 600x433]

TOTES different.


Don't be that guy.
 
2014-01-18 06:30:35 PM  

bass555: Interestingly, the original title "I Wanna Pound Your Clam" was nixed by Brian Epstein


I heard it was "I Wanna Hold Your Gland" that got nixed by Epstein.
 
2014-01-18 06:34:43 PM  

FeedTheCollapse: Hopefully, one not-too-distant day, there will be a clear demarcation between a great band like Death Grips, who never sold much, and commercial products like Kanye West. And hip hop critics will study more of hip hop history and realize who invented what and who simply exploited it commercially.


Death Grips are farking awful, dude.
 
2014-01-18 06:43:07 PM  

contrapunctus: jaytkay: Jill Came Down With Two-Fifty: No one is stupid enough to believe the Beatles would qualify as a boy band.

Beatles fans


Bieber fans


Totes different.

Shh. There are Boomers here.

All you need is love. And a British mansion estate. And a Rolls Royce. And a suite atThe Dakota. And a huge bank account.

Like...namaste...and stuff.


Boomer here, and was never a fan.  I'm at the gym today, made it in the allotted 26 minutes, and what are they playing for motivational music, farking "Hey Jude".  I'm exercising here, not going into a coma, dammit.  What's next, "Rocky Raccoon"?
 
2014-01-18 06:47:21 PM  
"The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers."

-Socrates, ~440 BCE
 
2014-01-18 06:50:13 PM  
Confession time: I stood up in front of my elementary school class with two others and sang that song.
/get off my lawn cloud
 
2014-01-18 06:53:36 PM  

deadsanta: "The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers."

-Socrates, ~440 BCE


You know that's not actually a quote from Socrates, right?
 
2014-01-18 06:54:16 PM  

Glitchwerks: FeedTheCollapse: Hopefully, one not-too-distant day, there will be a clear demarcation between a great band like Death Grips, who never sold much, and commercial products like Kanye West. And hip hop critics will study more of hip hop history and realize who invented what and who simply exploited it commercially.

Death Grips are farking awful, dude.


pssst (just in case)
 
2014-01-18 06:55:17 PM  
The Beatles were already a working band when they sought professional management. They were not "put together".
A good contemporary example of a true "boy Band"  would be the Monkees, who were assembled and cast by management.
You may think the Beatles stink, but they were not a boy band.
 
2014-01-18 07:00:32 PM  
Post 1965 Beatles ≠ Pre 1965 Beatles.


In 4 years they went from "Please Me Me" and "She Loves You" to elegies on dying alone and lonely and abstract musique concrete pieces based on the Tibetan Book of the Dead. There is no other band in the history of popular music that experienced that kind of artistic growth in such a short period of time. As far as comparisons to contemporary music - they started out as Justin Bieber but evolved into Muse.
 
2014-01-18 07:01:51 PM  

FeedTheCollapse: Glitchwerks: If rock criticism hasn't reached that point yet than I wonder how long it's going to take hip hop and electronic music to reach that point.


The fact that so many /mu/tants still name Kanye West "the greatest or most significant or most influential" hip hop producer ever only tells you how far hip hop music still is from becoming a serious art. Jazz critics have long recognized that the greatest jazz musicians of all times are Duke Ellington and John Coltrane, who were not the most famous or richest or best sellers of their times, let alone of all times. Classical critics rank the highly controversial Beethoven over classical musicians who were highly popular in courts around Europe. Hip hop critics are still blinded by commercial success: Kanye West received more grammys than anyone else (not true, by the way), therefore he must have been the greatest. Jazz critics grow up listening to a lot of jazz music of the past, classical critics grow up listening to a lot of classical music of the past. Hip hop critics are often totally ignorant of the hip hop music of the past, they barely know the best sellers. No wonder they will think that Kanye West did anything worth of being saved.
In a sense Kanye West is emblematic of the status of hip hop criticism as a whole: too much attention to commercial phenomena (be it Lil' Wayne or Nicki Minaj) and too little attention to the merits of real musicians. If somebody composes the most divine music but no major label picks him up and sells him around the world, a lot of hip hop critics will ignore him. If a major label picks up a musician who is as stereotyped as one can be but launches her or him worldwide, your average critic will waste rivers of ink on her or him. This is the sad status of hip hop criticism: hip hop critics are basically publicists working for free for major labels, distributors and record stores. They simply publicize what the music business wants to make money with.
Hopefully, one not-too-dist ...


25.media.tumblr.com
 
2014-01-18 07:04:39 PM  
Let's bring back some belated boy band schmaltz:

http://youtu.be/ZjqR1fG8znI
 
2014-01-18 07:09:27 PM  
I can honestly say I grew to love the Beatles on my own, being born in '69.  Really enjoyed listening to their progression as a completed package, rather than being put off by the dramatic and closely-spaced evolution.

Sort of like blasting through all of Dexter in 4 weeks, as I just completed via Netflix.
 
2014-01-18 07:11:49 PM  

LewDux: pssst (just in case)


Your link doesn't go anywhere, but after his second post I figured out he was copypasta'ing.

Do you know why?  Because no one likes Death Grips because they are farking awful.
 
2014-01-18 07:12:09 PM  
Yes, the Beatles were a boy band.

Yes, the Beatles grew up.

Yes, the Beatles are still overrated.
 
2014-01-18 07:17:02 PM  

Glitchwerks: LewDux: pssst (just in case)

Your link doesn't go anywhere, but after his second post I figured out he was copypasta'ing.

Do you know why?  Because no one likes Death Grips because they are farking awful.


/mu/ farking loves them.
 
2014-01-18 07:25:47 PM  
Meanwhile in 21st century..

Glitchwerks: LewDux: pssst (just in case)

Your link doesn't go anywhere, but after his second post I figured out he was copypasta'ing.


I wonder who taught him that...
 
2014-01-18 07:31:18 PM  
John Lennon's mother invented Liquid Paper.
 
2014-01-18 07:41:30 PM  

dryknife: John Lennon's mother invented Liquid Paper.



No. That was Frank Zappa's mother.
 
2014-01-18 07:49:25 PM  

Clash City Farker: dryknife: John Lennon's mother invented Liquid Paper.

No. That was Frank Zappa's mother.


No, the Monkees father invented basketball.
 
2014-01-18 07:55:45 PM  
You know how you piss off a music critic?

Listen to music you actually like, and enjoy it.

/reloaded on The Tiger Lillies and K-pop
 
2014-01-18 07:55:54 PM  

Clash City Farker: dryknife: John Lennon's mother invented Liquid Paper.


No. That was Frank Zappa's mother.



Oh, The Mother of Invention!
 
2014-01-18 08:12:08 PM  
The Beatles evolved their sound over the years. From pop to rock to acid rock. Modern pop singers usually just stick to one sound. Of course the Beatles had the best song writers that ever lived.
 
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