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(ESPN)   NASCAR planning more changes to its points system to make it even easier to give Jimmie Johnson a championship at the end of the season   (espn.go.com) divider line 82
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2014-01-18 12:23:42 PM
Fire up all the idols!
 
2014-01-18 12:29:51 PM
Actually, it will make it a hell of a lot harder for him, given that an off week or two means no trophy. If this goes through, it's complete bullshiat.
 
2014-01-18 12:30:40 PM
Right turns?
 
2014-01-18 12:31:32 PM
I wish I had time to get back into NASCAR. This system looks questionable at best. A final four showdown at the last race is a bit ridiculous.
 
2014-01-18 12:32:37 PM
NASCAR is making changes to the points system because they think gimmick = entertainment. They're really making me look forward to Indycar, F1 and sports car races this year.

Oh, and if anyone has a feed for the chili bowl I'd love to watch that today. I don't get MAVTV at home and I'm at work anyway.
 
2014-01-18 12:39:51 PM

LucklessWonder: Fire up all the idols!


Testing TMI, Fukushima.

But seriously, I said the same thing.  It'll ensure he wins a championship for the next decade.  Conversely, it could also mean Dale Earnhardt Jr. finally gets a championship.  OR Kevin Harvick.  OR a Busch brother.  Or... and I'm probably gonna get a plate of potato salad hurled my way... Joey Logano.

They'll still find some way to screw Denny Hamlin.
 
2014-01-18 12:41:08 PM
And also....

Are you not sports entertained?

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2014-01-18 12:41:21 PM
I think I've pretty much lost interest in JOHNSONCAR

/WoO Sprints FTW
 
2014-01-18 12:48:01 PM
Call me kooky, but I think I would prefer this to the current system. I'm not saying it's -good- mind you, just that it sounds better than what we have now.
 
2014-01-18 12:50:49 PM

bluorangefyre: They'll still find some way to screw Denny Hamlin.


Is it just me. or has Denny Hamlin aged incredibly fast? His rookie year was 2006 and he seems like a broken down old man some times. I keep forgetting that he's younger than me.
 
2014-01-18 12:51:35 PM

Doktor_Zhivago: Right turns?


They tried that one time. Didn't work out too well.
 
2014-01-18 12:52:21 PM
Doesn't really matter how they try to wind up the marketing machine...it will still come down to 2-3 drivers with a chance at the Cup at Homestead. And consistency is what gets them there. Really..we all knew it was down to He Who Shall Not Be Named vs. Harvick in the last race - was anyone paying attention to who was shooting for 10th place in the standings?

In the end...nothing really changes except the way NASCAR hypes it.
 
2014-01-18 12:55:30 PM

crotchgrabber: bluorangefyre: They'll still find some way to screw Denny Hamlin.

Is it just me. or has Denny Hamlin aged incredibly fast? His rookie year was 2006 and he seems like a broken down old man some times. I keep forgetting that he's younger than me.


Well he has had a number of injuries the past few years.
 
2014-01-18 12:59:26 PM

Mztlplx: nothing really changes except the way NASCAR hypes it.


Yeah, but it's the hype that I'm sick of. Show me one other racing series that has ever attempted to have "playoffs." And show me any league in sports that changes it's playoff system this often. The only good twist they've put on things recently has been in the lower two national touring series: trucks on dirt and Nationwide in the rain.
 
2014-01-18 01:05:21 PM
After last year Brian France and NASCAR have zero credibility with anyone. Period, end of story. It's a damn shame to see what they've done to the sport, and the fail is really affecting all motorsports in the US. The real problem is that all the other players in terms of national series are at least as incompetent as he is.
 
2014-01-18 01:07:01 PM

MFAWG: After last year Brian France and NASCAR have zero credibility with anyone. Period, end of story. It's a damn shame to see what they've done to the sport, and the fail is really affecting all motorsports in the US. The real problem is that all the other players in terms of national series are at least as incompetent as he is.


I'm holding out hope for the Tudor IMSA USCR or whatever the hell they are calling it.
 
2014-01-18 01:11:22 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: I think I've pretty much lost interest in JOHNSONCAR

/WoO Sprints FTW


shiat, they're as capricious as NASCAR has ever been in terms of rules enforcement, flaky provisionals, and oh, yeah, farking drivers over who manage to sneak in a race on the rare off day. So fark those guys too.
 
2014-01-18 01:12:00 PM
F1 is offering double points at the final GP of the season, triple if you use your rewards card!
 
2014-01-18 01:14:58 PM
When I stopped watching NASCAR last year, it was liberating. I thought there would come a point where I'd break and watch a race, but I never even came close. I surprised myself with how little I cared. I'm starting to think I was just watching because it was a routine and any real investment I had in the sport died a long time ago. To all the people who say it's not the same anymore, and you don't like what they're doing to the sport, seriously just try to stop watching for a few races, you might be surprised with how much you enjoy it.
 
2014-01-18 01:20:23 PM

MFAWG: MaudlinMutantMollusk: I think I've pretty much lost interest in JOHNSONCAR

/WoO Sprints FTW

shiat, they're as capricious as NASCAR has ever been in terms of rules enforcement, flaky provisionals, and oh, yeah, farking drivers over who manage to sneak in a race on the rare off day. So fark those guys too.


Somehow this seems appropriate:

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2014-01-18 01:22:01 PM

Passive Aggressive Larry: When I stopped watching NASCAR last year, it was liberating. I thought there would come a point where I'd break and watch a race, but I never even came close. I surprised myself with how little I cared. I'm starting to think I was just watching because it was a routine and any real investment I had in the sport died a long time ago. To all the people who say it's not the same anymore, and you don't like what they're doing to the sport, seriously just try to stop watching for a few races, you might be surprised with how much you enjoy it.


www.quickmeme.com
 
2014-01-18 01:25:08 PM

crotchgrabber: Mztlplx: nothing really changes except the way NASCAR hypes it.

Yeah, but it's the hype that I'm sick of. Show me one other racing series that has ever attempted to have "playoffs." And show me any league in sports that changes it's playoff system this often. The only good twist they've put on things recently has been in the lower two national touring series: trucks on dirt and Nationwide in the rain.


And I agree about the hype. Just let em race, I say. The best will rise to the occasion. It worked well when NASCAR was on the way up the popularity ladder.

But now attendance and ticket sales are off, and they're trying to generate some heat. Given the demographic they're aiming for, this is what we got.

We are atypical fans. As such...we can ignore the hype machine and focus on the parts we enjoy. Like Clintyoucheatingbastich, the 48 blowing the right front going into turn 3, and the endless lulz that will come out of Stewart-Haas this year.

/no kayfabe in racing
 
2014-01-18 01:31:02 PM

MFAWG: MaudlinMutantMollusk: I think I've pretty much lost interest in JOHNSONCAR

/WoO Sprints FTW

shiat, they're as capricious as NASCAR has ever been in terms of rules enforcement, flaky provisionals, and oh, yeah, farking drivers over who manage to sneak in a race on the rare off day. So fark those guys too.


Maybe, but the most important thing is that they have no Johnson

/Wait...
 
2014-01-18 01:34:53 PM

Mztlplx: But now attendance and ticket sales are off, and they're trying to generate some heat. Given the demographic they're aiming for, this is what we got.


Maybe it has something to do with the exceedingly boring nature of all those 1.5 mile ovals.

Watkins Glen and Sears Point FTW!
 
2014-01-18 01:35:12 PM
What about if they reset the points every three races in addition to eliminating drivers every three races?
 
2014-01-18 01:36:13 PM

soopey: Mztlplx: But now attendance and ticket sales are off, and they're trying to generate some heat. Given the demographic they're aiming for, this is what we got.

Maybe it has something to do with the exceedingly boring nature of all those 1.5 mile ovals.

Watkins Glen and Sears Point FTW!


I'd love it if they threw a road course into the Chase, but not necessarily those two.
 
2014-01-18 01:40:35 PM

bluorangefyre: soopey: Mztlplx: But now attendance and ticket sales are off, and they're trying to generate some heat. Given the demographic they're aiming for, this is what we got.

Maybe it has something to do with the exceedingly boring nature of all those 1.5 mile ovals.

Watkins Glen and Sears Point FTW!

I'd love it if they threw a road course into the Chase, but not necessarily those two.


I still vote for Laguna Seca. Replace Kansas with that.
 
2014-01-18 01:44:13 PM

Mztlplx: bluorangefyre: soopey: Mztlplx: But now attendance and ticket sales are off, and they're trying to generate some heat. Given the demographic they're aiming for, this is what we got.

Maybe it has something to do with the exceedingly boring nature of all those 1.5 mile ovals.

Watkins Glen and Sears Point FTW!

I'd love it if they threw a road course into the Chase, but not necessarily those two.

I still vote for Laguna Seca. Replace Kansas with that.


Random thought -- bookend the season at Daytona and run the road course.
 
2014-01-18 01:45:04 PM
Remember when you earned 175 points for a win and whomever accumulated the most points at the end of the season won a championship without gimmicks or elimination rounds?  Good times...
 
2014-01-18 01:45:30 PM

Mztlplx: bluorangefyre: soopey: Mztlplx: But now attendance and ticket sales are off, and they're trying to generate some heat. Given the demographic they're aiming for, this is what we got.

Maybe it has something to do with the exceedingly boring nature of all those 1.5 mile ovals.

Watkins Glen and Sears Point FTW!

I'd love it if they threw a road course into the Chase, but not necessarily those two.

I still vote for Laguna Seca. Replace Kansas with that.


You know I'm going to agree with that.
 
2014-01-18 01:48:37 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: MFAWG: MaudlinMutantMollusk: I think I've pretty much lost interest in JOHNSONCAR

/WoO Sprints FTW

shiat, they're as capricious as NASCAR has ever been in terms of rules enforcement, flaky provisionals, and oh, yeah, farking drivers over who manage to sneak in a race on the rare off day. So fark those guys too.

Maybe, but the most important thing is that they have no Johnson

/Wait...


But they were founded by the biggest Johnson of them all:

www.empaonline.org
 
2014-01-18 01:49:52 PM

Mztlplx: bluorangefyre: soopey: Mztlplx: But now attendance and ticket sales are off, and they're trying to generate some heat. Given the demographic they're aiming for, this is what we got.

Maybe it has something to do with the exceedingly boring nature of all those 1.5 mile ovals.

Watkins Glen and Sears Point FTW!

I'd love it if they threw a road course into the Chase, but not necessarily those two.

I still vote for Laguna Seca. Replace Kansas with that.


I get the love for Laguna, but it's not a suitable venue anymore. Not without some significant upgrades.
 
2014-01-18 01:52:18 PM

Mztlplx: bluorangefyre: soopey: Mztlplx: But now attendance and ticket sales are off, and they're trying to generate some heat. Given the demographic they're aiming for, this is what we got.

Maybe it has something to do with the exceedingly boring nature of all those 1.5 mile ovals.

Watkins Glen and Sears Point FTW!

I'd love it if they threw a road course into the Chase, but not necessarily those two.

I still vote for Laguna Seca. Replace Kansas with that.


Busch Grand National Nationwide guys (and sometimes gals) ran Mid-Ohio and Road America last year and have run Montreal before. I see no reason why the Cup crews couldn't run at either of those three courses. Montreal probably has the best seating arraignment while Road America has probably the best geographic location to get fans in.
 
2014-01-18 01:54:39 PM

Tsrwedge: Mztlplx: bluorangefyre: soopey: Mztlplx: But now attendance and ticket sales are off, and they're trying to generate some heat. Given the demographic they're aiming for, this is what we got.

Maybe it has something to do with the exceedingly boring nature of all those 1.5 mile ovals.

Watkins Glen and Sears Point FTW!

I'd love it if they threw a road course into the Chase, but not necessarily those two.

I still vote for Laguna Seca. Replace Kansas with that.

Random thought -- bookend the season at Daytona and run the road course.


Nah...Replace the night race in July with a night roadcourse in the infield.

The more I think about this...the more I want it.
 
2014-01-18 01:55:48 PM

soopey: Road America

Atlanta


FTFM.
 
2014-01-18 01:58:27 PM

dg41: Remember when you earned 175 points for a win and whomever accumulated the most points at the end of the season won a championship without gimmicks or elimination rounds?  Good times...


THIS.  "Playoffs? PLAYOFFS??"

The NFL should let the rest of the teams in come playoff time, just like NASCAR. No, wait; NASCAR should allow only the top 12 drivers in the Chase races, and sit everyone else. No, wait....

/FedEX Cup gives a sidelong glance
 
2014-01-18 02:00:36 PM

MFAWG: Mztlplx: bluorangefyre: soopey: Mztlplx: But now attendance and ticket sales are off, and they're trying to generate some heat. Given the demographic they're aiming for, this is what we got.

Maybe it has something to do with the exceedingly boring nature of all those 1.5 mile ovals.

Watkins Glen and Sears Point FTW!

I'd love it if they threw a road course into the Chase, but not necessarily those two.

I still vote for Laguna Seca. Replace Kansas with that.

I get the love for Laguna, but it's not a suitable venue anymore. Not without some significant upgrades.


Serious question... What needs upgrading?
 
2014-01-18 02:03:36 PM
So, under the new system, the final 4 contenders will have one race to decide the title, in a "sport" where random shiat happens all the time. I am assuming the other drivers who are not qualified for this final will still be on the track acting as moving obstacles, some of them with grudges against the top four.

There is a reason that championships in an activity such as this are determined over a season, and not put to one event...
 
2014-01-18 02:16:42 PM
So basically they made it to where a driver can "unintentionally" wreck another driver during the final race to make sure they win the championship. Good farking Lord. They just went from complete morons to full on retarded and missing quite a few brain cells.

Or they'll police it so bad that if another driver even touches another driver they'll get black flagged. Ugh. Season hasn't even started and I'm already annoyed at the NASCAR top people.
 
2014-01-18 02:20:45 PM

Mztlplx: bluorangefyre: soopey: Mztlplx: But now attendance and ticket sales are off, and they're trying to generate some heat. Given the demographic they're aiming for, this is what we got.

Maybe it has something to do with the exceedingly boring nature of all those 1.5 mile ovals.

Watkins Glen and Sears Point FTW!

I'd love it if they threw a road course into the Chase, but not necessarily those two.

I still vote for Laguna Seca. Replace Kansas with that.


Laguna seca would be a death trap. There's like hills. And turns. No way actual race car drivers could handle that sort of terrain. Unless its a circle they get confused and scared.
 
2014-01-18 02:22:17 PM
WTFdoesitmatter:There is a reason that championships in an activity such as this are determined over a season, and not put to one event...

So much this. What happens if there's a wreck on Lap 80 of the Final Race that takes out all four remaining contenders? What if someone with a grudge takes out one of the contenders?

This system leaves a little too much to chance.
 
2014-01-18 02:24:55 PM

Mztlplx: bluorangefyre: soopey: Mztlplx: But now attendance and ticket sales are off, and they're trying to generate some heat. Given the demographic they're aiming for, this is what we got.

Maybe it has something to do with the exceedingly boring nature of all those 1.5 mile ovals.

Watkins Glen and Sears Point FTW!

I'd love it if they threw a road course into the Chase, but not necessarily those two.

I still vote for Laguna Seca. Replace Kansas with that.


Got freebie tickets to Kansas Speedway though my brother's boss a couple a years ago. $150 face value w/ free VIP parking. If I paid $15 I would've felt burned. I say pour dirt over the pavement.
/drag racing & sprint car fan
 
2014-01-18 02:25:10 PM

crotchgrabber: MFAWG: Mztlplx: bluorangefyre: soopey: Mztlplx: But now attendance and ticket sales are off, and they're trying to generate some heat. Given the demographic they're aiming for, this is what we got.

Maybe it has something to do with the exceedingly boring nature of all those 1.5 mile ovals.

Watkins Glen and Sears Point FTW!

I'd love it if they threw a road course into the Chase, but not necessarily those two.

I still vote for Laguna Seca. Replace Kansas with that.

I get the love for Laguna, but it's not a suitable venue anymore. Not without some significant upgrades.

Serious question... What needs upgrading?


The runout at the top of the corkscrew is substandard at best, parking is a biatch for even small series, so a NASCAR date just isn't doable. Sears has much better access and it's a PITA to get in and out of on race day.
 
2014-01-18 02:26:21 PM

Doktor_Zhivago: Mztlplx: bluorangefyre: soopey: Mztlplx: But now attendance and ticket sales are off, and they're trying to generate some heat. Given the demographic they're aiming for, this is what we got.

Maybe it has something to do with the exceedingly boring nature of all those 1.5 mile ovals.

Watkins Glen and Sears Point FTW!

I'd love it if they threw a road course into the Chase, but not necessarily those two.

I still vote for Laguna Seca. Replace Kansas with that.

Laguna seca would be a death trap. There's like hills. And turns. No way actual race car drivers could handle that sort of terrain. Unless its a circle they get confused and scared.


Stock cars have run there before, but you knew that because you're a farking expert on these things, right?
 
2014-01-18 02:27:31 PM
Hm..when's Round one of the FIA Formula One World Championship this year?
 
2014-01-18 02:28:24 PM

Professor Farksworth: What happens if there's a wreck on Lap 80 of the Final Race that takes out all four remaining contenders?


The Sprint Cup will be held in abeyance until a rematch can be held at the NASCAR Royal Rumble.
 
2014-01-18 02:34:19 PM

MFAWG: crotchgrabber: MFAWG: Mztlplx: bluorangefyre: soopey: Mztlplx: But now attendance and ticket sales are off, and they're trying to generate some heat. Given the demographic they're aiming for, this is what we got.

Maybe it has something to do with the exceedingly boring nature of all those 1.5 mile ovals.

Watkins Glen and Sears Point FTW!

I'd love it if they threw a road course into the Chase, but not necessarily those two.

I still vote for Laguna Seca. Replace Kansas with that.

I get the love for Laguna, but it's not a suitable venue anymore. Not without some significant upgrades.

Serious question... What needs upgrading?

The runout at the top of the corkscrew is substandard at best, parking is a biatch for even small series, so a NASCAR date just isn't doable. Sears has much better access and it's a PITA to get in and out of on race day.


After having been trapped going in and out of Sonoma many times I don't want to hear anyone biatch about Seca's parking situation ever again. In the seven years I've been there the traffic crew has tightened their shiat up amazingly well. And coordination with public transport and the local authorities has been incredible. We have the parking. Sure it's in the dirt. Sonoma doesn't have a damned clue how to direct traffic or move people efficiently.

Run outs at the top of the corkscrew are better than they used to be and will be improving soon. Things move slowly at Mazda Raceway Laguna Seca for a reason. (Damn, haven't had enough coffee, forgot to name drop a sponsor). We are a non-profit. The joke is that there are many tracks in the country that don't make a profit, we're the only one that does it on purpose.

And my crew gets a new building this off season!!! With insulation! And ninety degree angles! Lap of luxury I tell ya!
 
2014-01-18 02:34:47 PM

Olympic Trolling Judge: Professor Farksworth: What happens if there's a wreck on Lap 80 of the Final Race that takes out all four remaining contenders?

The Sprint Cup will be held in abeyance until a rematch can be held at the NASCAR Royal Rumble.


img.photobucket.com
 
2014-01-18 02:35:22 PM

SeikaArashi: So basically they made it to where a driver can "unintentionally" wreck another driver during the final race to make sure they win the championship. Good farking Lord. They just went from complete morons to full on retarded and missing quite a few brain cells.

Or they'll police it so bad that if another driver even touches another driver they'll get black flagged. Ugh. Season hasn't even started and I'm already annoyed at the NASCAR top people.


If the "wrong" driver gets wrecked, NASCAR and France will be all over the God-help-them team.

If You-Know-Who does it, France will be winking so much, he'd get a prescription for Restatis.

/there are emails akin to "Time for a study in Fort Lee" somewhere, sent from NASCAR highups
//my tinfoil niche
///Danica slashies!!
 
2014-01-18 02:36:33 PM

Olympic Trolling Judge: Professor Farksworth: What happens if there's a wreck on Lap 80 of the Final Race that takes out all four remaining contenders?

The Sprint Cup will be held in abeyance until a rematch can be held at the NASCAR Royal Rumble.


I would so pay good money to see JJ tossed over the top rope.

But I'd still put my bet on one of the Busch boys, as long as they're off the Prozac drip.
 
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