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2014-01-18 10:37:56 AM  

abhorrent1: stupid fark

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Inglourious Bastards would like a word with you.
 
2014-01-18 10:38:05 AM  

Crewmannumber6: I can see why they thought it was at least worth looking into. Plus if you're a black student in a primarily white school, drawing attention to yourself in this manner might be seen by some as stupid.

/if you don't want to be stereotyped, don't act like a stereotype.


Corkscrew necksnap!
 
2014-01-18 10:38:08 AM  
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Gang member!
 
2014-01-18 10:40:17 AM  
Objectively, the hand sign on the left does seem quite a bit closer to the 'blood' hand sign than it does to the 3-point version given by NBA players.  Almost as much of a stretch as the center kid "pointing at the camera".

It seems equally unlikely that these kids are secretly gang members and took this opportunity to spread their gang-related message.  Clearly they were just screwing around in front of the camera.  Any school policy that punishes kids for being kids is asinine.
 
2014-01-18 10:42:38 AM  

Albino Squid: Ima4nic8or: After reading the article I was initially in full agreement with the ACLU that an horrible injustice had been done and that the players should be immediately reinstated but after I looked at the image again I am not so sure.  There is nothing in any of those hand gestures that looks even remotely like a three.  The guy on the right is making no hand gestures that I can see.  The guy in the middle is clearly gesturing but I see two twos or a four, or a set of guns.  I cant really know what the gesture meant but it sure as hell isn't a three.  I cant tell what gesture of the dude on the left could possibly mean but I sure don't see any threes.  Any normal rational person who wants to convey a three with a hand gesture is going to do it as shown in Abhorrent1's post above.  I don't know the intent of their gestures and am therefore inclined to trust the cops on this one.

Kid on the left: thumb and forefinger pinched together, other three fingers up. Like this:

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Maybe, maybe not.  Hard to say.  The kids fingers are not really up like in the picture and his arms are weirdly crossed but given the image I would give the kid the benefit of the doubt.
 
2014-01-18 10:45:19 AM  
I too hate honkies
 
2014-01-18 10:45:44 AM  

I sound fat: apoptotic: abhorrent1: stupid fark

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20+ years ago I used to run the scoreboard at my high school. Our division did have a three point rule, and if a shot went in from anywhere near the line the ref used a hand signal to indicate which side of the line the shooter was on, since we couldn't always see past traffic on the court. The refs used the normal "V" sign for a 2 point basket and the sign on the left in the picture accompanying TFA, rather than the sign in your picture, for a 3 pointer, since it was easier for the scorekeepers to tell the difference at a glance.

cause the two hands raised in the air signal was too hard for you to see?


They raised both arms and made the 3 point gesture with both hands, because it was the easiest way to be sure we got it right at a distance if they were at an odd angle to the table or our view was partially obstructed. Hold up your hand and look at it from the side. Make both the 2 and the 3 sign with your thumb and pinky finger together. Then make the 3 sign with your thumb and forefinger together. Notice how much easier it is to tell the difference.
 
2014-01-18 10:46:26 AM  

Albino Squid: Ima4nic8or: After reading the article I was initially in full agreement with the ACLU that an horrible injustice had been done and that the players should be immediately reinstated but after I looked at the image again I am not so sure.  There is nothing in any of those hand gestures that looks even remotely like a three.  The guy on the right is making no hand gestures that I can see.  The guy in the middle is clearly gesturing but I see two twos or a four, or a set of guns.  I cant really know what the gesture meant but it sure as hell isn't a three.  I cant tell what gesture of the dude on the left could possibly mean but I sure don't see any threes.  Any normal rational person who wants to convey a three with a hand gesture is going to do it as shown in Abhorrent1's post above.  I don't know the intent of their gestures and am therefore inclined to trust the cops on this one.

Kid on the left: thumb and forefinger pinched together, other three fingers up. Like this:


This looks more like the 3point sign im used to seeing. But when you put the last 3 fingers in a straight line, turn your hand around in a non traditional way, and put the sign close to your chest, you are inviting people to draw conclusions.

Im sure this kid knew what he was doing.
 
2014-01-18 10:47:10 AM  
Tend to agree with most of the posters that say school is starting to turn into a nanny state.  My dude was sent home once and threatened with suspension because he was makeing lewd gestures during an assembly. I automatically thought he flipped the bird, and was ready to string him up.  Turns out he was making the "I love you" sign, for his little brother who's autistic and was getting sensory overload.   They take things way too far.  biatch that they have to do the parents job, then try to instruct you on how to raise your child.
 
2014-01-18 10:47:17 AM  
Subby, your headline applies directly to Congress.
 
2014-01-18 10:47:38 AM  

Crewmannumber6: Esroc: Crewmannumber6: I can see why they thought it was at least worth looking into. Plus if you're a black student in a primarily white school, drawing attention to yourself in this manner might be seen by some as stupid.

/if you don't want to be stereotyped, don't act like a stereotype.

Wanna know how I know you're racist?

Because I don't kowtow, I am a racist. Nice to know we've got a dialogue going


Cool. An edgy, independent iconoclast.
And he doesn't afraid of anybody.
 
2014-01-18 10:48:31 AM  

mikaloyd: I too hate honkies


Especially when they try to ride the elevator.
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2014-01-18 10:48:37 AM  
It looks as if they are each making a different "3 point" gesture but I know nothing about basketball.
 
2014-01-18 10:50:31 AM  

Lee451: It looks as if they are each making a different "3 point" gesture but I know nothing about basketball.


It involves throwing a leather ball through an iron hoop, but that's not important now.
 
2014-01-18 10:51:23 AM  
I missed it... which one is the three point signal again? I didn't think you had to do them with both hands.
 
2014-01-18 10:53:23 AM  

AxL sANe: [www.ezwebsite.org image 250x350]

Gang member!


Him too or him two (whatever):
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2014-01-18 10:56:48 AM  
At least they didn't make the sign associated with this vicious gang...

boingboing.net
 
2014-01-18 11:06:27 AM  

HighZoolander: At least they didn't make the sign associated with this vicious gang...

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If I were Paper, I would be very frightened right about now.
 
2014-01-18 11:13:38 AM  
Lol, goddamn white people. You're so insecure, a black child gives you the shivers because HE DID SOMETHING DIFFERENT. DIFFERENT IS UNCOMFORTABLE. You gentrifying, whitewashing chickenshiats.
 
2014-01-18 11:18:59 AM  

Snarfangel: HighZoolander: At least they didn't make the sign associated with this vicious gang...

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If I were Paper, I would be very frightened right about now.


Frightened? But the Rock is your biatch, and he could totally crush those girls and their stormtrooper!
 
2014-01-18 11:20:14 AM  

Crewmannumber6: Esroc: Crewmannumber6: I can see why they thought it was at least worth looking into. Plus if you're a black student in a primarily white school, drawing attention to yourself in this manner might be seen by some as stupid.

/if you don't want to be stereotyped, don't act like a stereotype.

Wanna know how I know you're racist?

Because I don't kowtow, I am a racist. Nice to know we've got a dialogue going


No, because you assume that this is somehow a black stereotype. That's why you are a racist.
 
2014-01-18 11:20:15 AM  
black__hippie:
This looks more like the 3point sign im used to seeing. But when you put the last 3 fingers in a straight line, turn your hand around in a non traditional way, and put the sign close to your chest, you are inviting people to draw conclusions.

Im sure this kid knew what he was doing.


Some players hold their hands up. Ray Allen often trails his hand to the side, making the same gesture. Amir Johnson, on the rare occasions he makes a three, makes the same gesture while pretending to roll dice. Tim Thomas used to make the same gesture, waving his hand in front of his face. Others make goggles with them. There are many variations, with the primary binding thread being that they all involve making that particular hand gesture.
 
2014-01-18 11:22:01 AM  

black__hippie: But when you put the last 3 fingers in a straight line, turn your hand around in a non traditional way, and put the sign close to your chest, you are inviting people to draw conclusions.


The conclusion that HOLY COW I MADE A THREE POINTER?

I mean...context matters, man.
 
2014-01-18 11:29:38 AM  
People make code signs because the non-cognoscenti don't know what they mean; let the code-flasher beware, especially in Zero Toleranceistan.
 
2014-01-18 11:31:51 AM  
I think you are all missing one important thing. This is a great headline subby.
 
2014-01-18 11:35:17 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: black__hippie: But when you put the last 3 fingers in a straight line, turn your hand around in a non traditional way, and put the sign close to your chest, you are inviting people to draw conclusions.

The conclusion that HOLY COW I MADE A THREE POINTER?

I mean...context matters, man.


Did he just make a 3 before the picture was taken?

I bet he doesn't celebrate his 3's like he gestures in the picture.
 
2014-01-18 11:39:38 AM  

black__hippie: cameroncrazy1984: black__hippie: But when you put the last 3 fingers in a straight line, turn your hand around in a non traditional way, and put the sign close to your chest, you are inviting people to draw conclusions.

The conclusion that HOLY COW I MADE A THREE POINTER?

I mean...context matters, man.

Did he just make a 3 before the picture was taken?

I bet he doesn't celebrate his 3's like he gestures in the picture.


Maybe he got trips and OP bought him a free Steam account.
 
2014-01-18 11:40:57 AM  

apoptotic: I sound fat: apoptotic: abhorrent1: stupid fark

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20+ years ago I used to run the scoreboard at my high school. Our division did have a three point rule, and if a shot went in from anywhere near the line the ref used a hand signal to indicate which side of the line the shooter was on, since we couldn't always see past traffic on the court. The refs used the normal "V" sign for a 2 point basket and the sign on the left in the picture accompanying TFA, rather than the sign in your picture, for a 3 pointer, since it was easier for the scorekeepers to tell the difference at a glance.

cause the two hands raised in the air signal was too hard for you to see?

They raised both arms and made the 3 point gesture with both hands, because it was the easiest way to be sure we got it right at a distance if they were at an odd angle to the table or our view was partially obstructed. Hold up your hand and look at it from the side. Make both the 2 and the 3 sign with your thumb and pinky finger together. Then make the 3 sign with your thumb and forefinger together. Notice how much easier it is to tell the difference.


It is even easier to differentiate between a ref with both of his farking arms above his head and a ref with his arms at his side.
 
2014-01-18 11:45:23 AM  

black__hippie: cameroncrazy1984: black__hippie: But when you put the last 3 fingers in a straight line, turn your hand around in a non traditional way, and put the sign close to your chest, you are inviting people to draw conclusions.

The conclusion that HOLY COW I MADE A THREE POINTER?

I mean...context matters, man.

Did he just make a 3 before the picture was taken?

I bet he doesn't celebrate his 3's like he gestures in the picture.


I love how you're seriously continuing to be suspicious about this. It totally makes it better for you.
 
2014-01-18 11:46:12 AM  
Oh, and the suspension has already been lifted.  I guess the administration realized they screwed up royally.  The kids aren't going to miss a game, and the school officials will be national laughingstocks for a 24-hour news cycle.

And in case anyone didn't see it, they showed a bit of video interview on Keith Olbermann's ESPN show.  Those kids are the nerdiest basketball players you've ever seen.  They're more likely to flash the Vulcan greeting than any actual gang sign.
 
2014-01-18 11:48:05 AM  

UNC_Samurai: Oh, and the suspension has already been lifted.  I guess the administration realized they screwed up royally.  The kids aren't going to miss a game, and the school officials will be national laughingstocks for a 24-hour news cycle.

And in case anyone didn't see it, they showed a bit of video interview on Keith Olbermann's ESPN show.  Those kids are the nerdiest basketball players you've ever seen.  They're more likely to flash the Vulcan greeting than any actual gang sign.


But a guy named  black_hippie is totally still suspicious that they are gang signs!
 
2014-01-18 11:57:29 AM  
starsrift
Man, I remember when you actually had to DO something to piss off folks. Listen to rock music, smoke the pot, do drugs, stay out at all hours... These days, all kids gotta do is get their pictures in the paper and they in a gang.
If these kids keep getting everything just handed to them like this, they're gonna grow up to be entitled assholes.


In Wisconsin, all you have to do to be a suspected gang member is be black. Milwaukee is the most segregated city in the country. Wisconsin overall has one of the most disproportionate rates of black incarceration. I dare any Wisconsin Farker to read this and then tell me our state is progressive or that we have any right to look down our noses at the South.
 
2014-01-18 12:00:05 PM  
The Constitution doesn't apply to high school.
cineplex.media.baselineresearch.com
High school is NOT a democracy..
 
2014-01-18 12:09:26 PM  
Even if they were gang signs, I still wouldn't have automatically suspended them from school.
 
2014-01-18 12:16:03 PM  

Ima4nic8or: Albino Squid: Ima4nic8or: After reading the article I was initially in full agreement with the ACLU that an horrible injustice had been done and that the players should be immediately reinstated but after I looked at the image again I am not so sure.  There is nothing in any of those hand gestures that looks even remotely like a three.  The guy on the right is making no hand gestures that I can see.  The guy in the middle is clearly gesturing but I see two twos or a four, or a set of guns.  I cant really know what the gesture meant but it sure as hell isn't a three.  I cant tell what gesture of the dude on the left could possibly mean but I sure don't see any threes.  Any normal rational person who wants to convey a three with a hand gesture is going to do it as shown in Abhorrent1's post above.  I don't know the intent of their gestures and am therefore inclined to trust the cops on this one.

Kid on the left: thumb and forefinger pinched together, other three fingers up. Like this:

[d.yimg.com image 371x449]

Maybe, maybe not.  Hard to say.  The kids fingers are not really up like in the picture and his arms are weirdly crossed but given the image I would give the kid the benefit of the doubt.


Yeah, given that the middle kid simply claims to be pointing at the camera, I wonder if the picture was bad and caught them in the middle of making the gestures, rather than when they completed them so they weren't very clear.
In any case, it seems like a ridiculous amount of fuss because "OMG they might have been making a gang sign...but we weren't really sure"
 
2014-01-18 12:29:28 PM  
Number 51's "Suck my Dick" sign OKed by school administrators that obviously suck dick.

i.imgur.com
 
2014-01-18 12:42:06 PM  
if they were white they wouldn't have been suspended or punished at all.
 
2014-01-18 01:19:41 PM  

Crewmannumber6: Because I don't kowtow, I am a racist. Nice to know we've got a dialogue going


Well, at least you can admit to being a shiatty human being no one should listen to.
 
2014-01-18 01:20:17 PM  

wambu: Number 51's "Suck my Dick" sign OKed by school administrators that obviously suck dick.

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That's not the "Suck My Dick" sign.  That's the international sign of the donut.
 
2014-01-18 01:24:22 PM  

hardinparamedic: Crewmannumber6: Because I don't kowtow, I am a racist. Nice to know we've got a dialogue going

Well, at least you can admit to being a shiatty human being no one should listen to.


He's apparently afraid of kowtowing to "treating everyone like a human being"
 
2014-01-18 01:29:20 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: black__hippie: cameroncrazy1984: black__hippie: But when you put the last 3 fingers in a straight line, turn your hand around in a non traditional way, and put the sign close to your chest, you are inviting people to draw conclusions.

The conclusion that HOLY COW I MADE A THREE POINTER?

I mean...context matters, man.

Did he just make a 3 before the picture was taken?

I bet he doesn't celebrate his 3's like he gestures in the picture.

I love how you're seriously continuing to be suspicious about this. It totally makes it better for you.


I'm not suspicious. Just saying its possible.
 
2014-01-18 01:41:58 PM  

black__hippie: cameroncrazy1984: black__hippie: cameroncrazy1984: black__hippie: But when you put the last 3 fingers in a straight line, turn your hand around in a non traditional way, and put the sign close to your chest, you are inviting people to draw conclusions.

The conclusion that HOLY COW I MADE A THREE POINTER?

I mean...context matters, man.

Did he just make a 3 before the picture was taken?

I bet he doesn't celebrate his 3's like he gestures in the picture.

I love how you're seriously continuing to be suspicious about this. It totally makes it better for you.

I'm not suspicious. Just saying its possible.


That's literally what suspicion is.
 
2014-01-18 01:58:46 PM  
If the boys think they got scrutiny for this, wait until they try to date any of the girls at their new school.
 
2014-01-18 02:08:26 PM  

Molavian: berylman: meow said the dog:  referencing to the Ku Klacks Kiln.

Probably a typo, bu I would just like to point out that would be a great name for a racist offshoot of the Pottery Barn.

That's meow's shtick.


And it stopped being funny ages ago. Metaroleplaying on the internet isn't clever, but I'm also aware he does it as a form of light trolling/lulz.
 
2014-01-18 02:22:44 PM  
cameroncrazy1984:
That's literally what suspicion is.

Day to day, you find yourself suspicious of everything that is possible?
 
2014-01-18 02:24:18 PM  

Belias: Objectively, the hand sign on the left does seem quite a bit closer to the 'blood' hand sign than it does to the 3-point version given by NBA players.  Almost as much of a stretch as the center kid "pointing at the camera".


The "blood" hand sign spells out the word "blood" with fingers.  This is not even close.  And it's the same way I hold 3 fingers (thumb and index vs thumb and pinky) because if I try thumb and pinky my other fingers form a claw. :(

I am with the  "idiot school official" diagnosis on this one.
 
2014-01-18 02:31:47 PM  
Tsu-na-mi: The "blood" hand sign spells out the word "blood" with fingers.

One of them does, yes.  Another looks very much like this photo. I don't care whether it is or isn't, the policy is silly.  Bottom line, any policy that (outside of the school system) would violate constitutional rights should be stricken from the books, IMO.

My point is I'm not ready to crucify the person asked to evaluate the photo. Assuming his evaluation is based on racism isn't fair, based on the photo.
 
2014-01-18 02:44:02 PM  

abhorrent1: stupid fark

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Brantgoose orders Chinese:  I'll have the three items with fried rice.


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It's under a giant "W".

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What a bunch of witless Whitey morons

 
2014-01-18 02:45:02 PM  
If a black guy does a hand signal, it's a gang sign.

STOP THE BASEBALL GAME!

 
2014-01-18 02:46:02 PM  

Tsu-na-mi: Belias: Objectively, the hand sign on the left does seem quite a bit closer to the 'blood' hand sign than it does to the 3-point version given by NBA players.  Almost as much of a stretch as the center kid "pointing at the camera".

The "blood" hand sign spells out the word "blood" with fingers.  This is not even close.  And it's the same way I hold 3 fingers (thumb and index vs thumb and pinky) because if I try thumb and pinky my other fingers form a claw. :(


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