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2014-01-18 08:54:44 AM  

MrEricSir: mcnguyen: How about we figure out why we send so many innocent people to death row before we start arguing about the best way to kill them?

It's always bizarre when people in this country claim that the death penalty is a "deterrent." Given our track record, it seems the death penalty would have to be a deterrent against being found guilty in court.


Personally, I've never believed that it is a deterrent. I do, however, believe that there are crimes so heinous as to preclude any hope of rehabilitation or meaningful punishment and to therefore make it best for everyone involved if the perpetrator is not alive anymore. I suspect that the people who commit these crimes are wired such that they cannot be deterred.

That said, I'm also skeptical of the state's ability to identify those people, and believe the death penalty should be severely restricted to cases that are not only very grave but very, very obvious.
 
2014-01-18 09:01:07 AM  

Gyrfalcon: fusillade762: I've never understood why they don't just kill them with a big honking shot of morphine...

It takes too long.

Seriously, someone asked that question in CA a while back, and the response was essentially that it takes 30-45 minutes to kill someone painlessly via anaesthetic OD, and that's too difficult for the witnesses to sit through.


Because taking someone else's life shouldn't be difficult to sit through.

... This is why we can't have nice things.
 
2014-01-18 09:06:27 AM  

Stone Meadow: Not necessarily. I have a cousin who served 30 years for 1st degree before being paroled 2 years ago, largely at the request of his brother, who now employs him. "John" hated prison, but has really struggled with life outside.


It's almost as if being in a structured reality where somebody else controls where you are at every minute of the day 24/7 for 30 years has a psychological impact on that person.
 
2014-01-18 09:06:38 AM  

jso2897: Wyalt Derp: I don't think I'm against the death penalty, but I think the threshold should be "beyond ANY doubt", rather than the "beyond reasonable doubt" required for a conviction.

That would effectively ban the death penalty.


Yeah, people always say that when it's pointed out that there are innocent people on death row, "Just be 100% sure". Easier said than done.
 
2014-01-18 09:33:04 AM  
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2014-01-18 09:36:17 AM  

doglover: What's wrong with firing squads?

Personally, if I had to choose, I'd pick firing squad over lethal injection. And above either of those, I'd go for decapitation by sword. Sure it's a bit messier for the custodial staff, but who cares about them? They can just hose it all off now. This isn't the middle ages. We have plumbing.


PTSD for members of the squad.
 
2014-01-18 09:39:23 AM  
untaken_name: It's a pretty effective deterrent, actually. The people who are put to death are completely deterred from ever committing another crime.

Having been completely undeterred from committing the crime which landed them on death row.
 
2014-01-18 10:20:06 AM  

orbister: untaken_name: It's a pretty effective deterrent, actually. The people who are put to death are completely deterred from ever committing another crime.

Having been completely undeterred from committing the crime which landed them on death row.


That's why I'm for abolishing the judicial system entirely.  It does nothing to prevent the crime that already happened.
 
2014-01-18 10:22:53 AM  

lennavan: orbister: untaken_name: It's a pretty effective deterrent, actually. The people who are put to death are completely deterred from ever committing another crime.

Having been completely undeterred from committing the crime which landed them on death row.

That's why I'm for abolishing the judicial system entirely.  It does nothing to prevent the crime that already happened.


Sounds good. Think of all the money that could then be spent on prevention and education if we gave it up.
 
2014-01-18 10:26:52 AM  

Occam's Nailfile: Oh, so we should take convicted people who are potentially innocent and lock them in a box for 70 years, and THAT is more humane?


No silly.  But it's pretty clear that innocent people are convicted and if you put them to death, there's no going back.  At least with a life sentence, they can get restitution.
 
2014-01-18 10:31:58 AM  
"You might have killed someone, so we are definitely going to kill you." And, this is civilized? How is this supposed to solve anything?
 
2014-01-18 10:43:03 AM  

StoPPeRmobile: lennavan: orbister: untaken_name: It's a pretty effective deterrent, actually. The people who are put to death are completely deterred from ever committing another crime.

Having been completely undeterred from committing the crime which landed them on death row.

That's why I'm for abolishing the judicial system entirely.  It does nothing to prevent the crime that already happened.

Sounds good. Think of all the money that could then be spent on prevention and education if we gave it up.


The best part is any budget shortfalls that come up, we could just go rob a bank.
 
2014-01-18 10:47:30 AM  

OgreMagi: Stone Meadow: As for me, if we are to retain capitol punishment, let's find out what the Chinese use in their organ harvesting wagons.

If you are going to harvest organs, then you want to stick to hanging or decapitation.  All the other methods ruin the organs.


You may be correct, but it looks like the Chinese use standard lethal injections. I thought that would ruin the major organs...maybe not. In any case, there has been so much international condemnation of the practice that it won't work here, politically. Really, the answer is lab-grown organs using the patient's own cells.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1165416/Chinas-hi-tech-death -v an-criminals-executed-organs-sold-black-market.html
 
2014-01-18 10:50:17 AM  

pueblonative: Stone Meadow: Not necessarily. I have a cousin who served 30 years for 1st degree before being paroled 2 years ago, largely at the request of his brother, who now employs him. "John" hated prison, but has really struggled with life outside.

It's almost as if being in a structured reality where somebody else controls where you are at every minute of the day 24/7 for 30 years has a psychological impact on that person.


No doubt true, which is why I wrote that life without parole is probably not the 'torture' one frequently reads of. People simply (yeah, not so 'simply') adapt to it over time, and being inside becomes the new normal. No surprise there.
 
2014-01-18 10:50:43 AM  

The First Four Black Sabbath Albums: "You might have killed someone, so we are definitely going to kill you." And, this is civilized? How is this supposed to solve anything?


Well, the way you phrased it was stupid.  Let me rephrase your question to reflect an actual scenario that actually happened:

"You definitely found a pregnant lady, tried to rape her vaginally but since she was eight months pregnant it was hard to get to so you anally raped her instead and then stabbed her to death.  We know this because you were convicted on the evidence and then later you actually admitted it to us AND we later tested DNA evidence matching you to the crime.  And this is civilized?  How is this supposed to solve anything?"

It helps solve her fianceé left behind sleeping at night rather than imagining that asshole watching Cable TV and eating three square meals a day while the bodies of your unborn child and fianceé rot 6 feet under the ground.
 
2014-01-18 10:57:26 AM  

Suckmaster Burstingfoam: "We've been told lethal injection is so barbaric that the drug companies would rather not manufacture the drugs anymore.

"So we'll just switch to firing squads."


Richard Dawson unavailable for comment.
 
2014-01-18 11:02:19 AM  

Stone Meadow: pueblonative: Stone Meadow: Not necessarily. I have a cousin who served 30 years for 1st degree before being paroled 2 years ago, largely at the request of his brother, who now employs him. "John" hated prison, but has really struggled with life outside.

It's almost as if being in a structured reality where somebody else controls where you are at every minute of the day 24/7 for 30 years has a psychological impact on that person.

No doubt true, which is why I wrote that life without parole is probably not the 'torture' one frequently reads of. People simply (yeah, not so 'simply') adapt to it over time, and being inside becomes the new normal. No surprise there.


People also adapt to being in a dysfunctional family and being abused as well, so you may want to rethink that just a little bit.
 
2014-01-18 11:27:41 AM  
Damn! almost 600 comments on a relatively insignificant news!
To be real honest I am somewhat perturb by the amount of interests and innovative ways the average farker's imagination is on the killing of another human being.
 
2014-01-18 11:49:13 AM  
Why not just general anastetic and then drop a huge rock on their head?
 
2014-01-18 12:18:49 PM  
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2014-01-18 12:57:20 PM  

lennavan: The First Four Black Sabbath Albums: "You might have killed someone, so we are definitely going to kill you." And, this is civilized? How is this supposed to solve anything?

Well, the way you phrased it was stupid.  Let me rephrase your question to reflect an actual scenario that actually happened:

"You definitely found a pregnant lady, tried to rape her vaginally but since she was eight months pregnant it was hard to get to so you anally raped her instead and then stabbed her to death.  We know this because you were convicted on the evidence and then later you actually admitted it to us AND we later tested DNA evidence matching you to the crime.  And this is civilized?  How is this supposed to solve anything?"

It helps solve her fianceé left behind sleeping at night rather than imagining that asshole watching Cable TV and eating three square meals a day while the bodies of your unborn child and fianceé rot 6 feet under the ground.


You've clearly been to prison before. Isn't it fun?!? It's like a resort!

What's the point in blindly punishing someone? I agree that there should be actions taken to make sure your imaginary person does not do this again, but how does killing him make us any better than him? It's the lazy way out of things.
 
2014-01-18 01:24:30 PM  
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2014-01-18 01:35:11 PM  
The pro-life party, ladies and gentlemen.
 
2014-01-18 01:36:45 PM  
I say crucify them. If it was good enough for our Lord and Savior, it's good enough for murderers.
 
2014-01-18 01:48:56 PM  
People who approve of the death penalty are sub human pieces of shiat.
 
2014-01-18 02:13:01 PM  
This is pretty shameful, to be honest... Think we'll ever see a cop get the death penalty and executed in this manner? A soldier? Then suddenly this will be barbaric to the general public. There'll be a huge outcry that "heroes" shouldn't be treated in this manner. The protected cop union will get involved, circle the wagons and suddenly police will get even more special protections from seeing execution. That farking scumbag that got acquitted for murdering that schizophrenic homeless guy recently would be the first I'd like to see do the bullet dance.
 
2014-01-18 02:30:12 PM  

Dogfacedgod: People who approve of the death penalty are sub human pieces of shiat.


I bet you wanna kill 'em all!  wait...
 
2014-01-18 02:38:44 PM  

rzrwiresunrise: Wyalt Derp: I don't think I'm against the death penalty, but I think the threshold should be "beyond ANY doubt", rather than the "beyond reasonable doubt" required for a conviction.

So, effectively, you're against the death penalty.


saddam was innocent?
 
2014-01-18 03:00:24 PM  

hoodiowithtudio: Here is my problem with beheading. Its got to be incredibly painful. Think about how bad it is after you get a paper cut. I can't imagine one's brain functions last more than seconds, but those have to be incredibly painful seconds.


. . . and then you're dead. And it didn't take 24 minutes, as everyone seems to be complaining about the recent execution in Ohio. Sounds fine to me.

On a different note: You don't get the death sentence for credit card fraud. You get it for certain very limited cases of First Degree Murder. That being the case, I don't much care whether the condemned feels some serious pain for a few seconds. Or even a half-hour. Did the murder victim at the core of the case die quickly, cleanly, and with no pain?

Capital punishment is not meant to be rehabilitative. It's primal vengeance, pure and simple. Drawing and quartering in public probably would be a bad idea these days, but as long as there's going to be a death penalty, I simply can't get too worked up over whether it takes half a second, 60 seconds, or 24 minutes -- or whether there's a little pain involved.
 
2014-01-18 03:10:46 PM  

mksmith: You don't get the death sentence for credit card fraud. You get it for certain very limited cases of First Degree Murder.


I think they've been over this earlier in the thread. The problems arise because of all the people on death row who were found innocent, the implication being that innocent people have been put to death.

And that people think that it's ok for the State to commit murder in the name of vengeance but you obviously don't have a problem with that.
 
2014-01-18 03:33:37 PM  
If you want to save some real money just march them all en masse into a cement enclosure and pipe in some poison gas.
 
2014-01-18 03:39:44 PM  

The First Four Black Sabbath Albums: lennavan: The First Four Black Sabbath Albums: "You might have killed someone, so we are definitely going to kill you." And, this is civilized? How is this supposed to solve anything?

Well, the way you phrased it was stupid.  Let me rephrase your question to reflect an actual scenario that actually happened:

"You definitely found a pregnant lady, tried to rape her vaginally but since she was eight months pregnant it was hard to get to so you anally raped her instead and then stabbed her to death.  We know this because you were convicted on the evidence and then later you actually admitted it to us AND we later tested DNA evidence matching you to the crime.  And this is civilized?  How is this supposed to solve anything?"

It helps solve her fianceé left behind sleeping at night rather than imagining that asshole watching Cable TV and eating three square meals a day while the bodies of your unborn child and fianceé rot 6 feet under the ground.

You've clearly been to prison before. Isn't it fun?!? It's like a resort!

What's the point in blindly punishing someone? I agree that there should be actions taken to make sure your imaginary person does not do this again, but how does killing him make us any better than him? It's the lazy way out of things.


Because Jesus.
 
2014-01-18 03:58:06 PM  
What about the stuff we use to euthanize pets?

Or if that is unavailable, give the guy enough sleeping meds to put a rhinoceros to sleep for a week and shoot him in the head while he's out.
 
2014-01-18 04:05:11 PM  

revrendjim: untaken_name: MrEricSir: mcnguyen: How about we figure out why we send so many innocent people to death row before we start arguing about the best way to kill them?

It's always bizarre when people in this country claim that the death penalty is a "deterrent." Given our track record, it seems the death penalty would have to be a deterrent against being found guilty in court.

It's a pretty effective deterrent, actually. The people who are put to death are completely deterred from ever committing another crime.

Or even their first crime if it turns out that they were innocent.


Oh, come now. I mean, funny, and all, but even if they didn't commit the crime they were convicted of, with the number of federal, state, and local laws extant, it's impossible for them not to have COMMITTED any crimes before. Even if they're babies there's probably SOME statue they're in violation of.
 
2014-01-18 04:06:07 PM  

untaken_name: statue


statute dammit. I even missed it on preview :(
 
2014-01-18 04:07:16 PM  

Mugato: untaken_name: It's a pretty effective deterrent, actually. The people who are put to death are completely deterred from ever committing another crime.

That's so clever. Never heard that one before.


Can you refute it? No? Oh, you're just mad that it's true, then. Carry on whining.
 
2014-01-18 04:07:49 PM  

Phil Moskowitz: If you want to save some real money just march them all en masse into a cement enclosure and pipe in some poison gas.


There are a lot of people farked in the head in this thread. How many hours per day do you guys spend thinking about this?
 
2014-01-18 04:11:36 PM  

untaken_name: Mugato: untaken_name: It's a pretty effective deterrent, actually. The people who are put to death are completely deterred from ever committing another crime.

That's so clever. Never heard that one before.

Can you refute it? No? Oh, you're just mad that it's true, then. Carry on whining.


Because when people talk about it being a deterrent they are obviously referring to people who decide not to commit a crime because they're afraid of the death penalty. Then someone invariably chimes in with, "Well if they dead, they ain't gonna kill no other folk. They been deterrentized!" *SPIT* *TING*.
 
2014-01-18 05:35:57 PM  
While I'm not in favor of the death penalty (Far too many innocent men have been executed, and it would have been worth stopping at one) if you're going to have one, firing squad isn't a bad way to go.

Cheap, effective, painless. So long as the firing squad can aim.


Though why they don't just make a chair with a cattle-killing bolt embedded in the headrest, I don't know. It's not like we can't clean it, and it's not like that would be visibly gory; just have any blood collect for disposal through plumbing, and disinfect the whole room afterwards.
 
2014-01-18 06:41:00 PM  
I'm unaware of what current death penalty methods are.  I know about lethal injection, but is there anything else other than the firing squad as proposed?
 
2014-01-18 06:46:56 PM  

Stone Meadow: OgreMagi: Stone Meadow: As for me, if we are to retain capitol punishment, let's find out what the Chinese use in their organ harvesting wagons.

If you are going to harvest organs, then you want to stick to hanging or decapitation.  All the other methods ruin the organs.

You may be correct, but it looks like the Chinese use standard lethal injections. I thought that would ruin the major organs...maybe not. In any case, there has been so much international condemnation of the practice that it won't work here, politically. Really, the answer is lab-grown organs using the patient's own cells.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1165416/Chinas-hi-tech-death -v an-criminals-executed-organs-sold-black-market.html


They probably put them under and harvest the organs on the live prisoner.
 
2014-01-18 06:52:41 PM  

The First Four Black Sabbath Albums: how does killing him make us any better than him?


Because a murderer kills someone for personal hate or profit.  There is no discussion over should it be done and is it the right thing to do.  The victim was not given his chance.  A convicted murderer, however, was given every opportunity to defend his actions or prove he did not do it.

If we use your logic of killing a murder is wrong because it's exactly the same thing as what the murder did, then we can't imprison someone for kidnapping and holding a person in servitude.
 
2014-01-18 06:59:06 PM  

VOCSL5: I'm unaware of what current death penalty methods are.  I know about lethal injection, but is there anything else other than the firing squad as proposed?


The following methods of execution are currently in use in various places around the world (by established governments/monarchies/etc):

Beheading
Hanging
Firing squad
Electric chair
Gas chamber (both through administration of toxic gases, and oxygen-displacing gases)
Stoning
Lethal injection


I may have missed some, and there are many more methods employed by non-government elements.

The US, in various places, has lethal injection, the electric chair, firing squad, hanging, and the gas chamber.
 
2014-01-18 07:00:47 PM  

VOCSL5: I'm unaware of what current death penalty methods are.  I know about lethal injection, but is there anything else other than the firing squad as proposed?


Electrocution, gas chamber, and hanging... depending on the state. Those are the only ones that have been used in the past 20 years or so, AFAIK. Only two states allow hanging.
 
2014-01-18 07:01:17 PM  

OgreMagi: If we use your logic of killing a murder is wrong because it's exactly the same thing as what the murder did, then we can't imprison someone for kidnapping and holding a person in servitude.


Holding a convicted criminal against their will and incarcerating them is unavoidable, something has to keep them off the street. Killing them is not unavoidable. Strapping someone to something at a predetermined time and killing them is premeditated murder in every definition.
 
2014-01-18 07:13:40 PM  
Build a huge, steel vat that sits over an open flame. Fill the vat with peanut oil. Slowly lower the condemned prisoner, who is inside a steel cage, into the oil at a rate of about a foot per minute.

/What, why is everyone looking at me like that?
 
2014-01-18 07:20:57 PM  
If I had to be executed, I'd opt for firing squad.
 
2014-01-18 07:27:03 PM  
Carlin had this covered 20 years ago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDO6HV6xTmI
 
2014-01-18 07:34:19 PM  

red5ish: What Would Jesus Do?


Shoot people down with lightening bolts.
 
2014-01-18 07:54:21 PM  
As cost effective as having their cellmate shank them?
 
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