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2014-01-18 01:46:47 AM  

Popular Opinion: Skyrmion: BelKimi: People should either be rehabilitated or killed, no middle ground.

Why do you favor the death penalty over life imprisonment?

richard ramirez, and admittd mass murderer, cost california over 20 million  dollars to keep alive in prison.
personally, i would have rather spent that money on the poor and needy.


In practice, it generally costs more to execute someone then it does to keep them alive in prison for the rest of their life.
 
2014-01-18 01:46:56 AM  

Popular Opinion: Skyrmion: BelKimi: People should either be rehabilitated or killed, no middle ground.

Why do you favor the death penalty over life imprisonment?

richard ramirez, and admittd mass murderer, cost california over 20 million  dollars to keep alive in prison.
personally, i would have rather spent that money on the poor and needy.


The problem is for every Richard Ramirez, Texas executes a innocent mentally challenged man.
 
2014-01-18 01:48:55 AM  

fusillade762: debug: If the inmate wants to choose death by firing squad, what's the problem?  We should kill them in whatever way they want, up to a pre-determined cost.

How much does being chased to death by naked female roller skaters cost?


userserve-ak.last.fm
 
2014-01-18 01:51:12 AM  

Prophet of Loss: The problem is for every Richard Ramirez, Texas executes a innocent mentally challenged man.


So that makes one.
 
2014-01-18 01:51:41 AM  

Skyrmion: BelKimi: People should either be rehabilitated or killed, no middle ground.

Why do you favor the death penalty over life imprisonment?


Be honest.  If you knew you would never be released.  0% chance of EVER getting out.  Which would you favor for yourself?

Not that the prisoner's preference should be the deciding factor here...with regards to life imprisonment, society is better off with the death penalty, rather than a multi-decade money-sink with no purpose.
 
2014-01-18 01:55:08 AM  

Skyrmion: Popular Opinion: Skyrmion: BelKimi: People should either be rehabilitated or killed, no middle ground.

Why do you favor the death penalty over life imprisonment?

richard ramirez, and admittd mass murderer, cost california over 20 million  dollars to keep alive in prison.
personally, i would have rather spent that money on the poor and needy.

In practice, it generally costs more to execute someone then it does to keep them alive in prison for the rest of their life.


it cost the iraqi goverment less than $100k to convict and execute saddam hussein.

our system is broken.
cops can beat kelly thomas on camera for almost 10 minutes until they murdered him, and get off scott free,
where is the justice?
 
2014-01-18 01:55:20 AM  
Lots of good comments to quote, but I can't type well enough to keep up. As a person who been shocked by electricity a couple of thousands(?) times over more than 30 years (who counts?), and almost electrocuted twice ( a person can only be electrocuted once), once before I can remember (under 3yrs. of age), and once when I was in my thirties as a experienced electrician (accidents can happen), I can say with some authority imho death by electrocution only looks painful. It is really painless but not very comfortable, for you can think as clear as a bell and figure out how to react if you can (sure being strapped down would limit your reaction). Time seems to slow down, or thinking speeds up, you feel each cycle of  vibration, but your pretty much paralyzed for the most part, yet there is really no pain.

I like the comment above about doing ten years in prison, more for serious crimes, five years minimum for any lesser crime. I know for fact after 5+ years in prison, you will not screw up again, or you would deserve life in prison if not death penaty.

Firing squad to the head may be most humane way of death, robot or not. Anything other than good drugs would be inhumane imho, loose your head still may allow you to think for more than a few seconds, maybe up to a minute, after it happens. But death penalty as a deterrent dose not work for people who become suicidal, and want to go out taking all they can with them.
 
2014-01-18 01:59:05 AM  

Prophet of Loss: Popular Opinion: Skyrmion: BelKimi: People should either be rehabilitated or killed, no middle ground.

Why do you favor the death penalty over life imprisonment?

richard ramirez, and admittd mass murderer, cost california over 20 million  dollars to keep alive in prison.
personally, i would have rather spent that money on the poor and needy.

The problem is for every Richard Ramirez, Texas executes a innocent mentally challenged man.


just because the police are incompetent and corrupt, that is not a reason to excuse abject evil when we find it.
.
 
2014-01-18 02:02:40 AM  

JosephFinn: So you're just going to resort to repeating the things that have already been shown to be wrong, eh? OK, good luck with that. Not sure why you;re so hot to see people get murdered by the state, but have fun with your blood lust.


Careful. If you dare to call out right-wingers on this site, you can and will attract the attention of the mods, no matter how long you've been a member. He's already admitted to approving of the murder of Carlos DeLuna, who was unmistakably murdered by the state. Vengeance, vengeance uber alles!
 
2014-01-18 02:03:17 AM  

Death Whisper: [ferrellgummit.files.wordpress.com image 640x404]


Abortion: I believe the rights of a woman to her body trump any rights a non-born baby has. I certainly don't believe the state has any right to tell a woman what she can or cannot do with her body just to save the life of a potential human being. Nor do I believe the state has any right to dictate the doctor-patient relationship, yet that is what anti-abortion laws do in many red states. There is also the fact that an non-born is not a citizen, thus the state has not right to protect a non-citizen. Again, the rights of the adult female trump the rights of a non-born.

Capital Punishment: I believe that one wrongful death is too many, and capital punishment is nothing more than sanctioned murder. I believe we need to be better than such people, and we do that by not killing them. I also value the life of a born human being, even if they are by all intents and purposes a terrible human being. Taking a life is not something to be done lightly.

Then there are the economics of the death penalty. It costs more than life in prison because its costly to make sure you don't execute the wrong person (even still they get it wrong). Nor has it proven to be a credible deterrent. Which makes sense, people kill for a lot of reasons but they are most assuredly not thinking rationally when they do so. So why would they think of the consequences of their actions? Humans are pretty poor at judging the consequences of their actions.

True, murder rate and crime is going down but there is no proof that this is because of capital punishment.
 
2014-01-18 02:04:46 AM  

Popular Opinion: Prophet of Loss: Popular Opinion: Skyrmion: BelKimi: People should either be rehabilitated or killed, no middle ground.

Why do you favor the death penalty over life imprisonment?

richard ramirez, and admittd mass murderer, cost california over 20 million  dollars to keep alive in prison.
personally, i would have rather spent that money on the poor and needy.

The problem is for every Richard Ramirez, Texas executes a innocent mentally challenged man.

just because the police are incompetent and corrupt, that is not a reason to excuse abject evil when we find it.
.


The take away is: we cannot rely on our justice system to not execute innocent people. Unless your one of the those tools who says "men, need to break a few eggs ..."
 
2014-01-18 02:06:02 AM  
The DEA seizes thousands of pounds of heroin and illegal prescriptions including pain killers each year.  Why not recycle that material rather than destroying it and utilize it for executions.  I am sure we can find the pure materials and then give a sufficient dose that would kill 50 elephants.   Or in the alternative, allow the death row inmates the opportunity to have as much drugs as they wish and they can take care of things themselves (one of the downsides is many would commit horrible acts to be guaranteed drugs for life).
 
2014-01-18 02:06:34 AM  

bbfreak: Death Whisper: [ferrellgummit.files.wordpress.com image 640x404]

Abortion: I believe the rights of a woman to her body trump any rights a non-born baby has. I certainly don't believe the state has any right to tell a woman what she can or cannot do with her body just to save the life of a potential human being. Nor do I believe the state has any right to dictate the doctor-patient relationship, yet that is what anti-abortion laws do in many red states. There is also the fact that an non-born is not a citizen, thus the state has not right to protect a non-citizen. Again, the rights of the adult female trump the rights of a non-born.

Capital Punishment: I believe that one wrongful death is too many, and capital punishment is nothing more than sanctioned murder. I believe we need to be better than such people, and we do that by not killing them. I also value the life of a born human being, even if they are by all intents and purposes a terrible human being. Taking a life is not something to be done lightly.

Then there are the economics of the death penalty. It costs more than life in prison because its costly to make sure you don't execute the wrong person (even still they get it wrong). Nor has it proven to be a credible deterrent. Which makes sense, people kill for a lot of reasons but they are most assuredly not thinking rationally when they do so. So why would they think of the consequences of their actions? Humans are pretty poor at judging the consequences of their actions.

True, murder rate and crime is going down but there is no proof that this is because of capital punishment.


dead murderers cannot kill anyone else.
do you know how many convicted murderers have killed again after they were convicted?

one would be too many.
 
2014-01-18 02:08:30 AM  

Prophet of Loss: Popular Opinion: Prophet of Loss: Popular Opinion: Skyrmion: BelKimi: People should either be rehabilitated or killed, no middle ground.

Why do you favor the death penalty over life imprisonment?

richard ramirez, and admittd mass murderer, cost california over 20 million  dollars to keep alive in prison.
personally, i would have rather spent that money on the poor and needy.

The problem is for every Richard Ramirez, Texas executes a innocent mentally challenged man.

just because the police are incompetent and corrupt, that is not a reason to excuse abject evil when we find it.
.

The take away is: we cannot rely on our justice system to not execute innocent people. Unless your one of the those tools who says "men, need to break a few eggs ..."


basically, yes.
do you realize how many completely innocent people we have murdered in this war on terrorism?
 
2014-01-18 02:09:00 AM  

Popular Opinion: Prophet of Loss: Popular Opinion: Prophet of Loss: Popular Opinion: Skyrmion: BelKimi: People should either be rehabilitated or killed, no middle ground.

Why do you favor the death penalty over life imprisonment?

richard ramirez, and admittd mass murderer, cost california over 20 million  dollars to keep alive in prison.
personally, i would have rather spent that money on the poor and needy.

The problem is for every Richard Ramirez, Texas executes a innocent mentally challenged man.

just because the police are incompetent and corrupt, that is not a reason to excuse abject evil when we find it.
.

The take away is: we cannot rely on our justice system to not execute innocent people. Unless your one of the those tools who says "men, need to break a few eggs ..."

basically, yes.
do you realize how many completely innocent people we have murdered in this war on terrorism?


So that makes it right?
 
2014-01-18 02:10:12 AM  
There are problems with the death penalty in many states, but there should be a federal standard. You have someone on video going into a 7-11 and shooting the clerk dead - death penalty. Barring the video was digitally faked, it should not take X million dollars for the government to remove this guy from society. A serial rapist with 5 women having matching DNA evidence - death penalty. There is a federal "standard" for all sorts of crap in the US, why not for the death penalty?
 
2014-01-18 02:11:16 AM  
I think capital punishment should be humane but gruesome. Let us not sanitize taking of life and pretend it's something it's not. It's dangerous to make killing too easy and clean not to be considered for what it is.
 
2014-01-18 02:12:34 AM  

Prophet of Loss: Popular Opinion: Prophet of Loss: Popular Opinion: Prophet of Loss: Popular Opinion: Skyrmion: BelKimi: People should either be rehabilitated or killed, no middle ground.

Why do you favor the death penalty over life imprisonment?

richard ramirez, and admittd mass murderer, cost california over 20 million  dollars to keep alive in prison.
personally, i would have rather spent that money on the poor and needy.

The problem is for every Richard Ramirez, Texas executes a innocent mentally challenged man.

just because the police are incompetent and corrupt, that is not a reason to excuse abject evil when we find it.
.

The take away is: we cannot rely on our justice system to not execute innocent people. Unless your one of the those tools who says "men, need to break a few eggs ..."

basically, yes.
do you realize how many completely innocent people we have murdered in this war on terrorism?

So that makes it right?


of course not.
this is the reality we live with.

are you planning to overthrow the government because they are murdering innocent brown people?
so why are you upset that we are killing rapists and child molesters?
 
2014-01-18 02:17:47 AM  

Frederf: I think capital punishment should be humane but gruesome. Let us not sanitize taking of life and pretend it's something it's not. It's dangerous to make killing too easy and clean not to be considered for what it is.


Well guillotine and firing squad are like the patron saints of humane but gruesome.
 
2014-01-18 02:21:32 AM  
Also why do so many people assume that anyone for capital punishment is in it for the "blood lust" The death penalty is not about deterrent but removal of waste. I do not want people to suffer. If they go to jail they should not be subject to any abuse physical or sexual from other inmates. The goal should be to address whatever issue led them to commit their crime and if this can be fixed to have them reenter society. It is NOT ok to rape women, to murder innocents, to sexually abuse children. If there is enough evidence through DNA and video then that person should be removed from society. Your life is not greater than anyone elses.
 
2014-01-18 02:27:32 AM  
what is more cruel?
life in prison for something you didn't do, or quiet oblivion?
 
2014-01-18 02:27:53 AM  

stewbert: White_Scarf_Syndrome: I still don't understand why breathing in pure nitrogen isn't an option.

Why not pure nitrous? Seems like the perfect way to go out.



You mean nitrous oxide?  It's more expensive, but it'd work the same way.

I'm all for oxygen deficient atmosphere for execution.  Unconscious in seconds, coma in less than 20, death in under a minute.  No mess, no fuss.

N2, the quicker picker upper!

If I was gonna end my life, I'd take my gas mask from work, find an inert gas canister like helium and say night night.
 
2014-01-18 02:29:11 AM  

Franco: island


I don't understand why this isn't done, either.  It doesn't even need to be a desert island or other hostile place.  Hell, set aside one of the Florida Keys.  Punishment consists of being handed a backpack with some food, water, and toiletries, and being left on the island with all of the other nasty sorts who were exiled there.
 
2014-01-18 02:31:25 AM  
Frederf " I think capital punishment should be humane but gruesome. Let us not sanitize taking of life and pretend it's something it's not. It's dangerous to make killing too easy and clean not to be considered for what it is"

Whether capital punishment is gruesome or not should have not bearing on the situation - it should be quick and painless. Capital punishment is what it is - the removal of a life from our society. As long as the person receiving it doesn't suffer unnecessarily I don't care how they die, lightening strike, headsman, gas chamber, whatever. Whether you kill the person yourself or have to push a button to kill them it is the same.
 
2014-01-18 02:33:37 AM  

Terrible Old Man: fusillade762: I've never understood why they don't just kill them with a big honking shot of morphine...

1. Let's fund terrorists/terrorist states!


Sure, with the 40-50 executions performed in the US every year they'll be rolling in dough.
 
2014-01-18 02:34:48 AM  

Popular Opinion: basically, yes.
do you realize how many completely innocent people we have murdered in this war on terrorism?


We are all very impressed by how much you want to murder innocent people. Truly, for your efforts on behalf of killing the innocent, you must be a paragon of humanity.
 
2014-01-18 02:36:06 AM  

BelKimi: Frederf " I think capital punishment should be humane but gruesome. Let us not sanitize taking of life and pretend it's something it's not. It's dangerous to make killing too easy and clean not to be considered for what it is"

Whether capital punishment is gruesome or not should have not bearing on the situation - it should be quick and painless. Capital punishment is what it is - the removal of a life from our society. As long as the person receiving it doesn't suffer unnecessarily I don't care how they die, lightening strike, headsman, gas chamber, whatever. Whether you kill the person yourself or have to push a button to kill them it is the same.


being a spiteful and sick individual, i would prefer torture and excruciating death (for those that deserve it).
i would be a happy martyr if i was wrongly convicted, knowing that real scumbags had the same fate.
 
2014-01-18 02:37:48 AM  

captainktainer: Popular Opinion: basically, yes.
do you realize how many completely innocent people we have murdered in this war on terrorism?

We are all very impressed by how much you want to murder innocent people. Truly, for your efforts on behalf of killing the innocent, you must be a paragon of humanity.


so you are planning to overthrow the evil regime? good for you and good luck with that.
 
2014-01-18 02:41:01 AM  

Popular Opinion: being a spiteful and sick individual, i would prefer torture and excruciating death (for those that deserve it).
i would be a happy martyr if i was wrongly convicted, knowing that real scumbags had the same fate.


Popular Opinion: so you are planning to overthrow the evil regime? good for you and good luck with that.


All that matters to you is killing people in as gruesome a way as possible. I congratulate you on fellating the Fark.com mods. May you reap what you sow.
 
2014-01-18 02:43:35 AM  

captainktainer: Popular Opinion: being a spiteful and sick individual, i would prefer torture and excruciating death (for those that deserve it).
i would be a happy martyr if i was wrongly convicted, knowing that real scumbags had the same fate.

Popular Opinion: so you are planning to overthrow the evil regime? good for you and good luck with that.

All that matters to you is killing people in as gruesome a way as possible. I congratulate you on fellating the Fark.com mods. May you reap what you sow.


i have no idea what you mean by that,
if you want be the champion for the ariel castros of this planet, you are much more sick than i am, and perhaps as sick as those that you defend,
 
2014-01-18 02:50:13 AM  

Popular Opinion: BelKimi: Frederf " I think capital punishment should be humane but gruesome. Let us not sanitize taking of life and pretend it's something it's not. It's dangerous to make killing too easy and clean not to be considered for what it is"

Whether capital punishment is gruesome or not should have not bearing on the situation - it should be quick and painless. Capital punishment is what it is - the removal of a life from our society. As long as the person receiving it doesn't suffer unnecessarily I don't care how they die, lightening strike, headsman, gas chamber, whatever. Whether you kill the person yourself or have to push a button to kill them it is the same.

being a spiteful and sick individual, i would prefer torture and excruciating death (for those that deserve it).
i would be a happy martyr if i was wrongly convicted, knowing that real scumbags had the same fate.


How abou a clean humane execution(like hanging or firing squad) if you just strait up killed your victim(s)

and some insanely gruesome shiat if you tortured/dismemberd/raped etc your victim(s), Im talking something medieval like breaking on the wheel or burning at the stake or being skinned alive
 
2014-01-18 02:52:19 AM  
Once again, politicians show us that to indulge your most depraved appetites, you just need a great campaign manager.
 
2014-01-18 02:54:25 AM  

Oldiron_79: Popular Opinion: BelKimi: Frederf " I think capital punishment should be humane but gruesome. Let us not sanitize taking of life and pretend it's something it's not. It's dangerous to make killing too easy and clean not to be considered for what it is"

Whether capital punishment is gruesome or not should have not bearing on the situation - it should be quick and painless. Capital punishment is what it is - the removal of a life from our society. As long as the person receiving it doesn't suffer unnecessarily I don't care how they die, lightening strike, headsman, gas chamber, whatever. Whether you kill the person yourself or have to push a button to kill them it is the same.

being a spiteful and sick individual, i would prefer torture and excruciating death (for those that deserve it).
i would be a happy martyr if i was wrongly convicted, knowing that real scumbags had the same fate.

How abou a clean humane execution(like hanging or firing squad) if you just strait up killed your victim(s)

and some insanely gruesome shiat if you tortured/dismemberd/raped etc your victim(s), Im talking something medieval like breaking on the wheel or burning at the stake or being skinned alive


i'm good with that.
do unto others as you would have done unto you.
religious bullpoop aside, i believe you deserve no more or less than the consideration you gave to your victims.
 
2014-01-18 02:54:40 AM  

Emposter: BuckTurgidson: Oldiron_79: Death Whisper:

That is the main reason I think liberals are like Hitler lever sociopaths and evil.

WAT?

At least one of them is probably a troll, and the other (maybe both) is/are an idiot who believe(s) that anything after conception is a person.  Seems ridiculous, but you have to consider it when taken alongside all the other retarded bullshait they believe out of their little book of fairy tales.  Ironically, even the Bible doesn't consider life to have started until the baby starts breathing ("Then the LORD God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being" Genesis 2:7), but you can't expect these morons to read their own book, now can you?


Considering their standards for "life", and what the Bible says (as quoted above), shouldn't they ALSO consider dust to be alive? I mean, if a fetus is a person (or a "pre-person") then by the Bible's own Word, dust is literally the exact same thing as a fetus; It's something that has the potential to become a person and possess a soul. I would think, since it's mentioned SPECIFICALLY in the Bible, that Christians would be bending over backwards to consider all "dust of the ground" to be sacred. I mean, the LORD God didn't form a man from a fetus... He formed a man from the dust of the ground. The LORD God didn't breathe life into a fetus... He breathed life into a man formed from dust.

With all this in mind, I can't understand why there's not an anti-Hoover group that's at least as large as the anti-abortion group of Christians. I'd think the Catholic Church would have declared brooms, mops, vacuum cleaners and dustbusters to be the tools of the Devil.
 
2014-01-18 02:54:43 AM  
When do you know if a society has gone so far down the wrong path that it can never come back from it?
 
2014-01-18 02:56:54 AM  

Phil Moskowitz: When do you know if a society has gone so far down the wrong path that it can never come back from it?


when bill clinton can remain president, or when the cops can get away with murdering kelly thomas.
 
2014-01-18 02:59:16 AM  
We have the death penalty because it makes us feel good to see the "deserving" getting what they "deserve", simple as that. This country is full of sociopaths if you think about it.
 
2014-01-18 03:00:58 AM  
"Take a step or two forward, lads. It will be easier that way."
 
2014-01-18 03:02:09 AM  

themindiswatching: We have the death penalty because it makes us feel good to see the "deserving" getting what they "deserve", simple as that. This country is full of sociopaths if you think about it.


considering we have murdered hundred of thousands of people who were no threat to us, in the name of "freedom" or "national security" you are probably right.
 
2014-01-18 03:02:20 AM  
Why kill anyone. Just a thought.
 
2014-01-18 03:04:18 AM  

yagottabefarkinkiddinme: Why kill anyone. Just a thought.


if a man was raping your 3 year old daughter, and was about to stab her, you would watch?
yeah, right.

get real.
 
2014-01-18 03:05:14 AM  
images.sodahead.com
Seriously though, if capital punishment was a deterrent to crime then states who have adopted the death penalty should have lower incidences of crime and that is NOT the case. In the end killing people unnecessarily is sadistic and revenge oriented. As despicable as child rapists and murderers are, nobody deserves to have their one and only life ended. It diminishes society, it brings us down to their level, and it accomplishes nothing.
 
2014-01-18 03:05:17 AM  

Emposter: Skyrmion: BelKimi: People should either be rehabilitated or killed, no middle ground.

Why do you favor the death penalty over life imprisonment?

Be honest.  If you knew you would never be released.  0% chance of EVER getting out.  Which would you favor for yourself?


Easiest question I've ever answered: Life imprisonment.
 
2014-01-18 03:07:21 AM  

ZeroCorpse: Emposter: BuckTurgidson: Oldiron_79: Death Whisper:

That is the main reason I think liberals are like Hitler lever sociopaths and evil.

WAT?

At least one of them is probably a troll, and the other (maybe both) is/are an idiot who believe(s) that anything after conception is a person.  Seems ridiculous, but you have to consider it when taken alongside all the other retarded bullshait they believe out of their little book of fairy tales.  Ironically, even the Bible doesn't consider life to have started until the baby starts breathing ("Then the LORD God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being" Genesis 2:7), but you can't expect these morons to read their own book, now can you?

Considering their standards for "life", and what the Bible says (as quoted above), shouldn't they ALSO consider dust to be alive? I mean, if a fetus is a person (or a "pre-person") then by the Bible's own Word, dust is literally the exact same thing as a fetus; It's something that has the potential to become a person and possess a soul. I would think, since it's mentioned SPECIFICALLY in the Bible, that Christians would be bending over backwards to consider all "dust of the ground" to be sacred. I mean, the LORD God didn't form a man from a fetus... He formed a man from the dust of the ground. The LORD God didn't breathe life into a fetus... He breathed life into a man formed from dust.

With all this in mind, I can't understand why there's not an anti-Hoover group that's at least as large as the anti-abortion group of Christians. I'd think the Catholic Church would have declared brooms, mops, vacuum cleaners and dustbusters to be the tools of the Devil.


I wish I'd thought of this as a kid...

Mom: Clean your room!
Me:  Sorry, no can do, that's genocide.
 
2014-01-18 03:07:41 AM  

x1v16: [images.sodahead.com image 290x290]
Seriously though, if capital punishment was a deterrent to crime then states who have adopted the death penalty should have lower incidences of crime and that is NOT the case. In the end killing people unnecessarily is sadistic and revenge oriented. As despicable as child rapists and murderers are, nobody deserves to have their one and only life ended. It diminishes society, it brings us down to their level, and it accomplishes nothing.


i have never heard of a case where an executed murdered killed anyone.
but convicted murderers have killed lots of people when they weren't executed.
 
2014-01-18 03:09:49 AM  
Also, since 1973 about 130 people have been released from death row for wrongful convictions and in 2003 alone 10 were released due to dna evidence exonerating them. You cannot ensure that innocent people sometimes get executed, it is inevitable. The only way to prevent the execution of innocents is to stop all executions. Then, if anyone is ever found innocent they still have decades of years of their lives they can get back what was taken from them.
 
2014-01-18 03:12:08 AM  

Skyrmion: Emposter: Skyrmion: BelKimi: People should either be rehabilitated or killed, no middle ground.

Why do you favor the death penalty over life imprisonment?

Be honest.  If you knew you would never be released.  0% chance of EVER getting out.  Which would you favor for yourself?

Easiest question I've ever answered: Life imprisonment.


Interesting.  I like to think I'd have the courage to end it, but I'm a bit of a coward, so I suspect I'd just live in endless misery and boredom, completely void of any hope for a better tomorrow...a kind of living death, I imagine.
 
2014-01-18 03:16:28 AM  

x1v16: Also, since 1973 about 130 people have been released from death row for wrongful convictions and in 2003 alone 10 were released due to dna evidence exonerating them. You cannot ensure that innocent people sometimes get executed, it is inevitable. The only way to prevent the execution of innocents is to stop all executions. Then, if anyone is ever found innocent they still have decades of years of their lives they can get back what was taken from them.


because the police and justice system are incompetent or worse.
the idea of putting the sick and depraved down is not wrong.
do not excuse evil for because we trust the wrong people to find and punish them.
instead, punish those that abuse the power to administer justice
you cannot give back what was taken.
have you ever heard or police or prosecutors going to jail for wrongly convicting anyone?
start there.
 
2014-01-18 03:23:39 AM  

Popular Opinion: Gyrfalcon: See, reading over this thread is why we have the 8th Amd. restriction on "cruel and unusual punishment" and the capital punishment debate at all. I realize some people are being (semi) facetious; some are trolling; and some just don't know what they are talking about--but that's the point. "I think murderers should get the same treatment they gave their victims! Yeah! Torture the shiat out of them!" So--if all they did was painlessly shoot someone, then they themselves get painlessly shot? "No, no, I want them to suffer for what they did!"

The reason the Framers (and society in general) took execution and punishment away from the rabble and gave it to the more or less impartial State is because of the Farker above who would want to ass-rape a murderer to death if he could; or who were upset Saddam died quickly. It's to prevent wonderful torture-executions like that of Robert-Francois Damiens in  1757, who was on the day of his execution tortured with red-hot pincers, burned with molten lead, sulfur and boiling oil, quartered between four horses after his joints were partially severed by an axe, and then (reportedly) burned alive. It took four hours. His crime was attempted regicide.

Now, some may argue that we are not monarchist France; but really, if someone were given the option of "how should the man who murdered your child die?" do you think they would not opt for such treatment, no matter how comparatively painless the child's death was? Or that many would agree with them? Or that the four-hour spectacle would be well-attended on PPV? Notwithstanding the fact that it would do nothing to deter or prevent child-murderers in the future?

sorry, tl;dr

defective monkeys deserve no quarter, or mercy. kill them in the most painful way.


Gee, that's too bad, that you thought it was too long. Because based on your posts in this later part of the thread, Damiens' fate is just what you would prefer. Even you, if you were wrongly accused, tried and convicted of a crime. You would really prefer to be tortured with burning irons, burned with boiling lead, sulphur and acid, and quartered alive by horses over a four-hour period, all the time knowing you were innocent of any charges, so long as a guilty person was also going to die at some point later in history?

Excuse me, I need to get a snorkel. The shiat is so deep in here, I can't keep my head above it any longer. I mean, you can try to troll me, but you should read what I write first. Nobody is ever going to believe that you'd actually be okay with this kind of treatment if you were innocent, and say "I'm good with that." And if YOU believe it, you're twice an idiot.
 
2014-01-18 03:25:05 AM  

x1v16: You cannot ensure that innocent people sometimes get executed, it is inevitable. The only way to prevent the execution of innocents is to stop all executions.


Of course you can (or so close as to be equivalent).  As I discussed way upthread, require clear, verified video evidence of the actual crime as it happened with full facial footage of the defendant, or an in court confession, with lawyer, after being advised that the death penalty is being pursued, or MAYBE 100% consistent eyewitness testimony from dozens of independent eyewitnesses of the actual act from close range (maybe not that, I really don't like eyewitness testimony).  No DP based on just a few eyewitnesses, or circumstantial cases, and REALLY not based on he said she said crap.  Even if you get a conviction, no DP.

Just because our shiatty justice system DOESN'T keep innocents from being executed doesn't mean it can't.
 
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