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2014-01-17 10:50:23 PM

TheWhoppah: Everyone always says Willingham but that bastard was guilty as sin.


That would be (charitably) incorrect.  More realistically, it's a farking lie and Willingham was murdered.
 
2014-01-17 10:50:30 PM

TheWhoppah: jso2897: TheWhoppah: jso2897: tinfoil-hat maggie : Um, no knowing how the US is well we'll just start falsely accusing people to keep up the flow of death penalty reality TV..

What makes you think that isn't happening already? Exhibit A: Texas.

Name one person in Texas that was executed after being falsely accused.  It doesn't even have to be for a reality show.

Not relevant. I am talking about the conscious pushing forward of executions in order to obtain political capitol and curry public favor.
We already know that if we execute people, a few innocent people will die - it is collateral damage. It's part of the package.

So you were accusing Texas without any facts to back up your accusation?  Can we get the [IRONIC] tag on your last post?  At least Everybody Poops had an answer.


TIL any list starting out with something you disagree with automatically nullifies every source.

Do me a favor and argue about the others as well, else you're just moving the goalposts.
 
2014-01-17 10:50:59 PM
After all, we have plenty of guns now.

My how we've grown as a nation.

Gary Gilmore would be proud.
 
2014-01-17 10:51:07 PM

Mensan: I am surprised by the number of Farkers who would like to be hung. I already am.


It's because the majority of Farkers are not well-hung already, you see.
 
2014-01-17 10:51:32 PM

TheWhoppah: jso2897: Lethal injection seems to be barely disguised torure, and thee electric hair and gas are far worse.

[holisticmindtherapies.com image 193x167]


And the electric gas is REALLY bad.
 
2014-01-17 10:51:54 PM

TheWhoppah: Yeah, thanks but any list that starts with Cameron Todd Willingham is complete bullshiat.


Meant my above reply to be to this post.
 
2014-01-17 10:52:13 PM

iq_in_binary: DubtodaIll: iq_in_binary: DubtodaIll: Almost Everybody Poops: DubtodaIll: GrailOfThunder: bbfreak: chasd00: Iirc firing squads went away out of concern for the mental health of the squad not the condemned. Executioners, who are actually just regular working stiffs, end up with serious mental issues over time.

First let me say that I am strictly against the death penalty, but there is absolutely no reason why you need human executioners so to speak. Or at least someone who actually pulls a trigger. Its 2014, and a robotic gun would be a fairly easy to engineer. Accurate, no mental health issues to address and I'd imagine it'd be more cost effective since robots don't need a health plan. Just a thought.

Someone still has to push the button on the robot, though. Whoever pushes that button is still "responsible" for being the executioner.

Why bother passing the buck? There are plenty if people who would gladly take tha job.

Because sometimes people don't realize the consequences of their actions until much later.  IIRC there was an article awhile back where a drone operator was diagnosed with PTSD after he was told he had over 1500 confirmed kills.

Well life ain't all lollipops and it's a waste of time I bother telling people they can't choose to do something if they want to do it and it's something that needs doing anyway. Hardship is not tradgedy, it's life.

And preventing such crap from happening is how we progress as a society.

Read the Ender series again, how did that turn out for Ender?

You really think there's anything we can ever do to escape from the darkest parts of our nature? Best we can do it seek justice and balance. And yes, taking the life of someone who has taken a life in cold blood is balance.

I've actually had a few successes. Several of them close relation. I got fired from my last job because of my successful lobbying for Obama. My ultimate higher ups were not happy to hear I made $400 on the election on intrade. I made them hundreds of thousands but they were happy to fire me over his winning. Laid off the whole trail of temps actually, the day before thanksgiving. Yeah, fark you all. And yet, I'm well employed now


Sounds like you didn't like it there anyway. A bit of a non-sequitur though so I'm at a loss for what the point of being fired for gambling on an election and then probably blabbing about it to everyone including strangers debating the morality of state executions.
 
2014-01-17 10:52:23 PM

noblewolf: debug: If the inmate wants to choose death by firing squad, what's the problem?  We should kill them in whatever way they want, up to a pre-determined cost.

I prefer the victims family gets to choose...


I think the victim's family should have nothing to do with the trial, sentencing, or execution. Court should be about justice and law, not retribution and revenge. The victim's family should be banned from being involved with cases, talking about them on the news, whatever. Let's at least pretend like we've advanced a little beyond monkeys and keep bullshiat emotions out of this.
 
2014-01-17 10:52:42 PM
Use a steam roller.  It is basically impossible to botch and infinitely reusable.

www.designer-daily.com
 
2014-01-17 10:52:51 PM
Why not go full on Thai-style firing squad while we're at it? Oh, you're not familiar? Well:
The prisoner to be executed was tied to a wooden cross, hands pinned in a prayerful position (wai), and facing a wall; behind him (or occasionally, as in today's post, her), a screen; behind the screen... a mounted automatic rifle that would discharge a burst of up to 15 bullets into the vicinity of the heart, generally terminating life immediately.

Bolded because it didn't work one time. You can read all the gory details here (consider it NSFW to be safe).
 
2014-01-17 10:52:53 PM
We should wait til we get 12 guys on death row and give 'em skates, a grenade puck and hockey stycx with razors in the blade and throw 'em on the ice rink.

We could call it "Sudden Death Overtime Penalty"
 
2014-01-17 10:53:34 PM

Gyrfalcon: fusillade762: debug: If the inmate wants to choose death by firing squad, what's the problem?  We should kill them in whatever way they want, up to a pre-determined cost.

How much does being chased to death by naked female roller skaters cost?

You know, Coke Zero really hurts when it's snorted out the nose.


Don't drink soda but damn I had forgotten about that.
 
2014-01-17 10:53:55 PM

TheWhoppah: Use a steam roller.  It is basically impossible to botch and infinitely reusable.

[www.designer-daily.com image 450x342]


I think you'd really want to go head first, tho. Quicker.
 
2014-01-17 10:54:06 PM
The constitution prohibits cruel AND unusual punishment.  cruel and usual punishment is totally ok.
 
2014-01-17 10:54:44 PM

tonguedepressor: We should wait til we get 12 guys on death row and give 'em skates, a grenade puck and hockey stycx with razors in the blade and throw 'em on the ice rink.

We could call it "Sudden Death Overtime Penalty"


BONUS MURDER!
 
2014-01-17 10:54:54 PM

C18H27NO3: In 2014 you'd think we'd have devised some way of snuffing someone out instantly.
Kind of dated but what about those machines that jam a bolt into steak's heads? That seems pretty instantaneous.


It's a solvable problem but there is very little overlap between the people who could come up with such a method and those who would make use of it.

AgentPothead: The for profit prison system is disgusting and the United States should be ashamed with itself.


It is and it should be eliminated (executed?) but it seems like the death penalty would be something the for-profits would be against since it eliminates a lifelong payment source. Maybe if they made the price to perform an execution great than that charged for the day to day cost over the expected life of the prisoner. As far as I know executions currently are still all performed by the state rather than a contractor.
 
2014-01-17 10:55:45 PM
I'm in favor of mirror execution.

Rape and stab someone (like the recent Ohio guy), you get a broomhandle to the ass and stabbed until you die.

However, with the world today, killers don't fear death and end up killing themselves.  They don't want to rot in prison, and they don't want to wait until they're an old man to die, they just do it immediately.
 
2014-01-17 10:56:33 PM

serial_crusher: The constitution prohibits cruel AND unusual punishment.  cruel and usual punishment is totally ok.


By the way, Founding Fathers, old chums - how the f**k are we supposed to forge law out of subjective terms like "cruel" or "unusual"?
 
2014-01-17 10:57:06 PM

MemeSlave: Shoot straight you bastards! Don't make a mess of it!


I came here to say this, but now everything is ok.
 
2014-01-17 10:57:49 PM

jso2897: Oldiron_79: BigLuca: Oldiron_79: chasd00: Iirc firing squads went away out of concern for the mental health of the squad not the condemned. Executioners, who are actually just regular working stiffs, end up with serious mental issues over time.

Yup that was the beef with firing squads.

Long drop hangings are probably the most humane method ever devised your brain stem is severed between the skull and C1 you are out like a light switch before you even know you hit bottom. They largely went out of style because hanging was prefered method in lynchings also an improper non drop hanging where a person is choked out is not paticularly humane.

Sometimes it's hard to calculate the drop necessary or weight needed to add.  Too little and the prisoner strangles to death, too much and the head comes off.

Well that may have been an issue in the 1800s when some illitterate cleetus with no info on what was needed was winging it but there are plenty of charts on how much weight and drop are proper since like before 1900.

Hell Wiki even has the British Official table of drops including both the 1888-1913 one and the post 1913

14 stone hangee gets 5'5" on post 1913 or 8' on pre 1913

8 stone hangee gets 8' on post 1913 or 10' on pre 1913

Etc

If I were going to be executed, I would choose long-drop over any method I know of. Lethal injection seems to be barely disguised torure, and thee electric hair and gas are far worse. Shooting and beheading are not instantaneous.
With log-drop, death actually takes a few minutes - but uncosciousness is instantaneous if it is successful (botched, of course, any method can be horrific).
I mean, this is all based on the premise that we are going to be executing people - killing them. It's what it is, and if you don't like it, don't advocate doing it.


Yeah if I HAD to be executed by a common legal method long drop hanging would be my pick.
 
2014-01-17 10:59:12 PM

jso2897: serial_crusher: The constitution prohibits cruel AND unusual punishment.  cruel and usual punishment is totally ok.

By the way, Founding Fathers, old chums - how the f**k are we supposed to forge law out of subjective terms like "cruel" or "unusual"?


The brilliance of the constitution is the perfection of it vagueness to allow for a continuing debate of how to run things. Setting things it stone will always get broken. Words an ideas however bend willingly to whomever it able to wield them with proficiency.
 
2014-01-17 10:59:24 PM

DeathByGeekSquad: I'm in favor of mirror execution.

Rape and stab someone (like the recent Ohio guy), you get a broomhandle to the ass and stabbed until you die.

However, with the world today, killers don't fear death and end up killing themselves.  They don't want to rot in prison, and they don't want to wait until they're an old man to die, they just do it immediately.


Certain types surely tend to - mass killers ,domestic killers, and spree killers do it a lot. Those who kill in the commission of property crimes do so far less often, and gang and contract killers, almost never.
 
2014-01-17 11:00:25 PM
jesus there is some farking damaged people on this site
 
2014-01-17 11:01:33 PM

jso2897: If I were going to be executed, I would choose long-drop over any method I know of. Lethal injection seems to be barely disguised torure, and thee electric hair and gas are far worse. Shooting and beheading are not instantaneous.
With log-drop, death actually takes a few minutes - but uncosciousness is instantaneous if it is successful (botched, of course, any method can be horrific).
I mean, this is all based on the premise that we are going to be executing people - killing them. It's what it is, and if you don't like it, don't advocate doing it.


Well, like a friend of mine who is a nurse told me there's really no good way to die.  The appeal of lethal injection is there's a belief that you just sort of fall asleep.  I don't know how true that is, but it sounds alright.  With hanging or firing squad or beheading you're going to have those minutes of anticipation.  The actual death may be quick, but the thought of what will soon happen is torture in and of itself.  I suppose you suffer the anticipation either way.

I don;t have a problem with executing certain people if we're sure they're did what they're accused of but   The exoneration of a number of death row felons should bring attention to the fact that there are probably people serving 5-10-20 years or life who aren't really guilty.

It's usually just the death penalty cases that get the attetion.
 
2014-01-17 11:01:53 PM
How about Gallagher hammer to the head? First three rows of witnesses would be provided plastic sheeting, of course.
 
2014-01-17 11:01:55 PM
Anti gun liberal here.


I'm ok with this. Bullets are cheap. I'd rather get shot than have lethal injection, anyway.
 
2014-01-17 11:02:30 PM

DubtodaIll: jso2897: serial_crusher: The constitution prohibits cruel AND unusual punishment.  cruel and usual punishment is totally ok.

By the way, Founding Fathers, old chums - how the f**k are we supposed to forge law out of subjective terms like "cruel" or "unusual"?

The brilliance of the constitution is the perfection of it vagueness to allow for a continuing debate of how to run things. Setting things it stone will always get broken. Words an ideas however bend willingly to whomever it able to wield them with proficiency.


Tru dat. You can't really run a civilized, enlightened society without some wiggle room. A certain amount of rabbinical quibbling is probably healthy for our little primate brains. However, in moments of frustration, one sometimes, unrealistically, wishes for simplicity.
 
2014-01-17 11:03:01 PM
Why not just force them to watch two seasons of "Girls?"
 
2014-01-17 11:03:21 PM

SuperNinjaToad: In other words we're becoming more like China everyday and they more like us


Not really, executions are actually down across the board in the US. Mainly because of costs, and btw the biggest cost isn't the execution. The biggest cost is making sure they have the right person. Legally it can take years to sort out. Which is why its cheaper to commit someone to life in prison than it is to execute them.

Meanwhile in China they executed probably 1000 people alone last year. In the US? Just 43.
 
2014-01-17 11:03:47 PM
I don't know if we should use firing squads, we might give the rest of the world the impression we have a thing for guns.
 
2014-01-17 11:03:55 PM
If you use firing squads, you'd better make sure they keep up their target practice

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzDCH_MGQXI
 
2014-01-17 11:05:06 PM

JosephFinn: TheWhoppah: Everyone always says Willingham but that bastard was guilty as sin.

That would be (charitably) incorrect.  More realistically, it's a farking lie and Willingham was murdered.


Lets consider Willingham's own explanation for what happened:  I was napping in the back room with Amber when she woke me up yelling about the smoke so I got up and left out the front door.

Three year old Amber's body was found under the covers in the back bedroom.  The path from the back bedroom to the front door would have taken him past the room where the twin infants were sleeping.  Their bodies were found in that room.

So, even if you ignore the half-dozen empty bottles of lighter fluid and the neighbors that reported seeing him outside acting funny peeking in the windows and doors BEFORE any smoke came out of the house... even if you ignore the testimony of the fire investigators that spent 3 days going through the rubble.  Even if you take Willingham's explanation as 100% gospel truth... then he just walked out and left his three kids to die in a fire without even trying to save them... one of whom was in the same room with him and alerted him to the smoke.  The jury obviously didn't believe him and neither should you... but even if you do and you are right .... well I still think he was a monster who deserved a lot worse than lethal injection.  Oh, and those fire reports were not debunked exactly.  They found almost two dozen "clues of arson" that, at the time, it was believed that those clues ONLY appeared in arson fires.  We now know that some of them can sometimes appear in non-arson fires too.  Still, there was plenty of forensic evidence to support the arson conviction even if some of those clues were only 90% likely causes instead of 100%.  What are the chances of over dozen 10% chances all going that way?  The prosecution theory was that he killed his three kids to spite his wife.  His last words were to her, "fark You, biatch!"
 
2014-01-17 11:05:12 PM

LoneVVolf: How about Gallagher hammer to the head? First three rows of witnesses would be provided plastic sheeting, of course.


Man you the one should be on brain detail.
 
2014-01-17 11:06:07 PM
honestly though, why even a bullet?  Use one of those hydraulic guns they use to kill cattle with.  Then just hose it down (or not, it's not like we're worried about infection) before the next guy.
 
2014-01-17 11:06:51 PM

Gyrfalcon: Mensan: I am surprised by the number of Farkers who would like to be hung. I already am.

It's because the majority of Farkers are not well-hung already, you see.


I don't know I seen some impressive members here and some with talents I didn't thing possible.
 
2014-01-17 11:07:15 PM

Heraclitus: After all, we have plenty of guns now.

My how we've grown as a nation.

Gary Gilmore would be proud.


Fun fact -- January 17th, 1977, 37 years ago, was the date of Gary Gilmore's execution.
 
2014-01-17 11:07:33 PM

serial_crusher: The constitution prohibits cruel AND unusual punishment.  cruel and usual punishment is totally ok.


At the time it was written, people were beheaded, drawn and quartered and boiled in oil.  A officers death was by hanging or firing squad.
 
2014-01-17 11:07:34 PM

doglover: What's wrong with firing squads?

Personally, if I had to choose, I'd pick firing squad over lethal injection. And above either of those, I'd go for decapitation by sword. Sure it's a bit messier for the custodial staff, but who cares about them? They can just hose it all off now. This isn't the middle ages. We have plumbing.


Generally it for the family and witnesses. The condemned is pretty much paralysed so they can't move while the chemicals burn out their veins so it is considered a humane for them to watch.

Basically they are a bunch of pussies who want to see the execution but can't stand the good old days of blood splattering everywhere.
 
2014-01-17 11:07:36 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: "Let's do it"

/gg

Came here to say this.
 
2014-01-17 11:07:44 PM

jso2897: DubtodaIll: jso2897: serial_crusher: The constitution prohibits cruel AND unusual punishment.  cruel and usual punishment is totally ok.

By the way, Founding Fathers, old chums - how the f**k are we supposed to forge law out of subjective terms like "cruel" or "unusual"?

The brilliance of the constitution is the perfection of it vagueness to allow for a continuing debate of how to run things. Setting things it stone will always get broken. Words an ideas however bend willingly to whomever it able to wield them with proficiency.

Tru dat. You can't really run a civilized, enlightened society without some wiggle room. A certain amount of rabbinical quibbling is probably healthy for our little primate brains. However, in moments of frustration, one sometimes, unrealistically, wishes for simplicity.


And under our law, you're free to do so! Wish that is! Carry on citizen! However, the more you search for simplicity in this world the more complexity you will always find. In fact, it's only by discovering the complete complexity of a thing that you are able to produce a simple elegant solution.
 
2014-01-17 11:08:05 PM

Mazzic518: jesus there is some farking damaged people on this site


Hello, I'm an ambassador. If you have any issues with your Fark visa, I can help!
 
2014-01-17 11:08:47 PM

gfid: jso2897: If I were going to be executed, I would choose long-drop over any method I know of. Lethal injection seems to be barely disguised torure, and thee electric hair and gas are far worse. Shooting and beheading are not instantaneous.
With log-drop, death actually takes a few minutes - but uncosciousness is instantaneous if it is successful (botched, of course, any method can be horrific).
I mean, this is all based on the premise that we are going to be executing people - killing them. It's what it is, and if you don't like it, don't advocate doing it.

Well, like a friend of mine who is a nurse told me there's really no good way to die.  The appeal of lethal injection is there's a belief that you just sort of fall asleep.  I don't know how true that is, but it sounds alright.  With hanging or firing squad or beheading you're going to have those minutes of anticipation.  The actual death may be quick, but the thought of what will soon happen is torture in and of itself.  I suppose you suffer the anticipation either way.

I don;t have a problem with executing certain people if we're sure they're did what they're accused of but   The exoneration of a number of death row felons should bring attention to the fact that there are probably people serving 5-10-20 years or life who aren't really guilty.


Well, that's the thing, though. If we are going to have the death penalty, there IS going to be some collateral damage.
We have one of the better justice systems in the world, but it's far from perfect. No one who knows anything about human beings or the systems they create could possibly believe that we never have or never will execute any innocent people.
It's a statistical probability so low it's not worth discussing.
The execution of a minsicule number of innocent people is an inescapable cost of the death penalty. Hopefully, it's value to society outweighs that - that's the theory anyway, or so I'm told.
 
2014-01-17 11:09:04 PM
I think they should have to die under the same kind of circumstances and the way that their victims died.  Unfortunately, we can only do this once if there are multiple victims.
 
2014-01-17 11:11:56 PM
We should use these people for drug trials.  Let them do something useful for once in their lives.
 
2014-01-17 11:12:44 PM

DubtodaIll: jso2897: DubtodaIll: jso2897: serial_crusher: The constitution prohibits cruel AND unusual punishment.  cruel and usual punishment is totally ok.

By the way, Founding Fathers, old chums - how the f**k are we supposed to forge law out of subjective terms like "cruel" or "unusual"?

The brilliance of the constitution is the perfection of it vagueness to allow for a continuing debate of how to run things. Setting things it stone will always get broken. Words an ideas however bend willingly to whomever it able to wield them with proficiency.

Tru dat. You can't really run a civilized, enlightened society without some wiggle room. A certain amount of rabbinical quibbling is probably healthy for our little primate brains. However, in moments of frustration, one sometimes, unrealistically, wishes for simplicity.

And under our law, you're free to do so! Wish that is! Carry on citizen! However, the more you search for simplicity in this world the more complexity you will always find. In fact, it's only by discovering the complete complexity of a thing that you are able to produce a simple elegant solution.


Yes, so it appears. Still, the desire for simplicity is universal - the desire to see the world reduced to a suimple, easily comprehended equation is just human nature - and it's made Rupert Murdoch a very wealthy man.
 
2014-01-17 11:14:22 PM

jso2897: DubtodaIll: jso2897: DubtodaIll: jso2897: serial_crusher: The constitution prohibits cruel AND unusual punishment.  cruel and usual punishment is totally ok.

By the way, Founding Fathers, old chums - how the f**k are we supposed to forge law out of subjective terms like "cruel" or "unusual"?

The brilliance of the constitution is the perfection of it vagueness to allow for a continuing debate of how to run things. Setting things it stone will always get broken. Words an ideas however bend willingly to whomever it able to wield them with proficiency.

Tru dat. You can't really run a civilized, enlightened society without some wiggle room. A certain amount of rabbinical quibbling is probably healthy for our little primate brains. However, in moments of frustration, one sometimes, unrealistically, wishes for simplicity.

And under our law, you're free to do so! Wish that is! Carry on citizen! However, the more you search for simplicity in this world the more complexity you will always find. In fact, it's only by discovering the complete complexity of a thing that you are able to produce a simple elegant solution.

Yes, so it appears. Still, the desire for simplicity is universal - the desire to see the world reduced to a suimple, easily comprehended equation is just human nature - and it's made Rupert Murdoch a very wealthy man.


There's no business like showbusiness.
 
2014-01-17 11:14:27 PM

gfid: It's usually just the death penalty cases that get the attetion.


The reason that Life Without Parole is cheaper than the Death Penalty is that we spend a million dollars on lawyers and investigators and forensic labs and psychologist and the like to make sure we've got the right guy and that he really does deserve to die and that he poses a continuing threat if not executed.  For LWOP we just give them a public defender and then throw away the key.  There are certainly many many TIMES as many innocents serving LWOP parole than on death row.  The system guarantees that.
 
2014-01-17 11:15:48 PM

oukewldave: We should use these people for drug trials.  Let them do something useful for once in their lives.


If we didn't poison them with lethal injections they could be organ donors.
 
2014-01-17 11:16:44 PM

fusillade762: I've never understood why they don't just kill them with a big honking shot of morphine...


Or an insulin overdose.
 
2014-01-17 11:17:05 PM

AlwaysRightBoy: Mazzic518: jesus there is some farking damaged people on this site

Hello, I'm an ambassador. If you have any issues with your Fark visa, I can help!


I cancelled mine when this cesspool started circling the drain
 
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