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2014-01-17 08:10:38 PM
It was a newsflash 4 hours ago.
 
2014-01-17 08:11:49 PM
Police had tweeted

Always odd to read something like that.
 
2014-01-17 08:12:13 PM
I blame Frank Reynolds
 
2014-01-17 08:13:20 PM
Didn't we already have one this week?
 
2014-01-17 08:13:53 PM
encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com
 
2014-01-17 08:14:18 PM
The local news around here (Fox Philly, Action News, NBC 10, Eyewitness News) were practically begging this to be 20 kids running around like it was Vietnam.. You would have sworn it was Columbine.. That's how bad they wanted this to be more than it was.. farking animals.. It was just an asshole inner city kid with a gun... Nothing more.
 
2014-01-17 08:14:36 PM

Confabulat: Didn't we already have one this week?


I didn't realize we had a quota.
 
2014-01-17 08:14:36 PM
Clearly we need to ban charter schools.


Earlier, police used Twitter to urge the suspected shooter to turn himself or herself in.

I know when I go on a shooting rampage I always stop and take time to check my Twitter feed.
 
2014-01-17 08:14:48 PM
2 students wounded in Philadelphia high school shooting

Same thing happens in Detroit. Headlines read: Happy Tuesday.
 
2014-01-17 08:15:25 PM
two 15-year-old students had been shot in the gymnasium

OOO, that's going to take awhile to heal...
 
2014-01-17 08:15:47 PM
What's the big deal, no one died.
 
2014-01-17 08:16:05 PM
Come on, it is just a law abiding citizen exercising his constitutional rights.

styckx: The local news around here (Fox Philly, Action News, NBC 10, Eyewitness News) were practically begging this to be 20 kids running around like it was Vietnam.. You would have sworn it was Columbine.. That's how bad they wanted this to be more than it was.. farking animals.. It was just an asshole inner city kid with a gun... Nothing more.


They kinda were here in Harrisburg as well... little too much saliva for me in the promos
 
2014-01-17 08:16:16 PM
"City of Brotherly Love"  That there is funny

Lived just outside of that dump most of my life...

Glad to be away from it...
 
2014-01-17 08:16:49 PM
Did I miss the thread about the 4-year-old shooting his 4-year-old cousin? I think I'd have enjoyed that one.
 
2014-01-17 08:17:28 PM

MassAsster: two 15-year-old students had been shot in the gymnasium

OOO, that's going to take awhile to heal...


Almost as bad as in the lavatory
 
2014-01-17 08:17:42 PM
Instead of informing of us when there is a school shooting (or any shooting for that matter), just tell us when we have a comfortable day of peace.

Hmm, no? Peace is antithetical to the foundation of these United Sates?

Oh well. Maybe next time.
 
2014-01-17 08:17:59 PM

HaywoodJablonski: Did I miss the thread about the 4-year-old shooting his 4-year-old cousin? I think I'd have enjoyed that one.


when will the gang violence end!
 
2014-01-17 08:18:02 PM
Earlier, police used Twitter to urge the suspected shooter to turn himself or herself in.
"SHOOTER - Turn yourself in. Get it over with now," they said.

No hashtag?
 
2014-01-17 08:18:20 PM
Local television station 6ABC reported that two 15-year-old students, one male and one female, had been shot in the school gymnasium

More dodge-ball related violence? WHEN WILL THE NIGHTMARE END?

That game was sent from the darkest gymnasiums of Hell!
 
2014-01-17 08:20:34 PM

fusillade762: Earlier, police used Twitter to urge the suspected shooter to turn himself or herself in.

I know when I go on a shooting rampage I always stop and take time to check my Twitter feed


And when cops publicly urge criminals to turn themselves in, the criminal usually stops and says, "They have a point".
 
2014-01-17 08:20:55 PM
I like where the story says it adds to the debate on gun control.  What debate?   We had the debate and the NRA and their political supporters won.  Now we are living with that outcome.  Of course had every proposed legislative remedy to gun violence been passed into law, it is likely we would still be having these events.  Mentally ill or motivated individuals can and will find weapons to use in committing their harm.
 
2014-01-17 08:20:59 PM
I didn't know you could sponsor these things. Seems like a terrible idea.
 
2014-01-17 08:21:08 PM
If twenty-some primary kids murdered won't move people to force moderation in gun laws, this sure won't.
 
2014-01-17 08:22:49 PM

noblewolf: "City of Brotherly Love"  That there is funny

Lived just outside of that dump most of my life...

Glad to be away from it...


Me too, West Philly here.
One day I was shooting hoops on the school playground and some thugs started making trouble.
That's when I pulled my glock and took care of business.
I moved to Missouri not long after that.
 
2014-01-17 08:22:57 PM

miss diminutive: Local television station 6ABC reported that two 15-year-old students, one male and one female, had been shot in the school gymnasium

More dodge-ball related violence? WHEN WILL THE NIGHTMARE END?

That game was sent from the darkest gymnasiums of Hell!


Dodgeball was my favorite activity, the coach even let us use medicine balls if we were good
 
2014-01-17 08:23:00 PM
Only 2.  No one died.

Huh.   Why is this national news again?

Or possibly "Huzzah, a 0 death shooting in the city is national news.  That means that there
aren't any 20 death rampages through suburban elementary schools with no cops on duty to be making a big deal of.  Progress."

/And for the anti-gun people, have you really thought out the implications of 3D printers and banning guns?  Sure, you can make it illegal, but since when has THAT stopped anybody.
 
2014-01-17 08:23:36 PM

Piizzadude: Come on, it is just a law abiding citizen exercising his constitutional rights.

styckx: The local news around here (Fox Philly, Action News, NBC 10, Eyewitness News) were practically begging this to be 20 kids running around like it was Vietnam.. You would have sworn it was Columbine.. That's how bad they wanted this to be more than it was.. farking animals.. It was just an asshole inner city kid with a gun... Nothing more.

They kinda were here in Harrisburg as well... little too much saliva for me in the promos


They should be concentrating on how Philly has become such a broke shiat hole. I love that city but it's a farking hive of crime now..
 
2014-01-17 08:25:35 PM

noblewolf: "City of Brotherly Love"  That there is funny

Lived just outside of that dump most of my life...

Glad to be away from it...


Hey now, Pat's has great Philly cheesesteaks
 
2014-01-17 08:26:01 PM
I'll get my popcorn.
 
2014-01-17 08:26:12 PM
Where's the national debate over knife and hammer laws? Had a few of those in the news today.
 
2014-01-17 08:27:03 PM
cdn.uproxx.com

They warned you...no one listened.
 
2014-01-17 08:27:05 PM

MassAsster: two 15-year-old students had been shot in the gymnasium

OOO, that's going to take awhile to heal...


Dammit! That's what I was going to say . . .

GMTA!
 
2014-01-17 08:27:29 PM

meyerkev: Only 2.  No one died.

Huh.   Why is this national news again?

Or possibly "Huzzah, a 0 death shooting in the city is national news.  That means that there aren't any 20 death rampages through suburban elementary schools with no cops on duty to be making a big deal of.  Progress."

/And for the anti-gun people, have you really thought out the implications of 3D printers and banning guns?  Sure, you can make it illegal, but since when has THAT stopped anybody.



3D printers make shiatty single use inaccurate weapons. Maybe they will get better with better materials and designs but right now who the hell cares about 3D weapons.  It is the hundreds of millions of previously manufactured high quality weapons in hundreds of millions of citizens hands that is the real barrier to any gun ban.
 
2014-01-17 08:27:52 PM

styckx: Piizzadude: Come on, it is just a law abiding citizen exercising his constitutional rights.

styckx: The local news around here (Fox Philly, Action News, NBC 10, Eyewitness News) were practically begging this to be 20 kids running around like it was Vietnam.. You would have sworn it was Columbine.. That's how bad they wanted this to be more than it was.. farking animals.. It was just an asshole inner city kid with a gun... Nothing more.

They kinda were here in Harrisburg as well... little too much saliva for me in the promos

They should be concentrating on how Philly has become such a broke shiat hole. I love that city but it's a farking hive of crime now..


I moved out here 20 years ago from King of Prussia. Only been back a few times to the city and holy cow. i wish I would have been able to take pictures of the same spot just to emphasize your point. Reading seems to have gotten better, but everything from Birdsboro to the city is a crater.
 
2014-01-17 08:27:58 PM
Is a charter school where you go until you're allowed to drop out?

/ this story sounds more like a drive-by
 
2014-01-17 08:27:59 PM

MFAWG: It was a newsflash 4 hours ago.


yeah. and when it was submitted.. you know, WHEN IT WAS BREAKING NEWS... those links went red.

but now, hours later, but... WITH THE NEWSFLASH TAG, subby coaxes a charity green.


/FARK: always first in catching up from behind!
 
2014-01-17 08:28:08 PM
Just goes to show that kids are dumb as fark.
 
2014-01-17 08:28:13 PM

Pribar: miss diminutive: Local television station 6ABC reported that two 15-year-old students, one male and one female, had been shot in the school gymnasium

More dodge-ball related violence? WHEN WILL THE NIGHTMARE END?

That game was sent from the darkest gymnasiums of Hell!

Dodgeball was my favorite activity, the coach even let us use medicine balls if we were good


Same here. I was usually one of the last standing, being tiny and elusive like a ferret. Of course, we always eventually lost since I also had the throwing ability of a ferret.
 
2014-01-17 08:28:38 PM

meyerkev: Sure, you can make it illegal, but since when has THAT stopped anybody.


We really need to get rid of oppressive murder laws. Not a single murderer was stopped by them.
 
2014-01-17 08:28:44 PM

Jovimon: Where's the national debate over knife and hammer laws? Had a few of those in the news today.


Look, I know his last album was really bad, but why do you want laws against Hammer?
 
2014-01-17 08:28:45 PM

Jovimon: Where's the national debate over knife and hammer laws? Had a few of those in the news today.


we needz sumthin to tak ur gunz
 
2014-01-17 08:29:13 PM
I'm sure this thread will be full of the usual non-emotional banter...
 
2014-01-17 08:30:22 PM
FTFA: "Police said they were not providing details about the suspect, citing his age. Police had tweeted that the suspect was a student at the school."

If you cite his age, gender, and the fact that he's a student at the school, aren't you doing exactly that (providing details about the suspect), dumbasses??
 
2014-01-17 08:31:09 PM
Chopper 3 is over the scene showing us nothing.
 
2014-01-17 08:34:13 PM
 
2014-01-17 08:34:22 PM

MattyBlast: FTFA: "Police said they were not providing details about the suspect, citing his age. Police had tweeted that the suspect was a student at the school."

If you cite his age, gender, and the fact that he's a student at the school, aren't you doing exactly that (providing details about the suspect), dumbasses??


They are avoiding using the word "black"...

/not racist
/just the truth
 
2014-01-17 08:35:21 PM

meyerkev: /And for the anti-gun people, have you really thought out the implications of 3D printers and banning guns?  Sure, you can make it illegal, but since when has THAT stopped anybody.


The best one so far was that California assemblyman that wants the law requiring 3d printed guns to have metallic  plates in em so they can be seen by airport scanners, so remember if you print one to smuggle into the secure area of an airport ya better have the required plate or you are breaking the law!


/Don't see what the panic over printed guns is, back before the automatic weapons ban I made a sten gun using a copy of plans the Brits passed out to the French resistance in WWII, minimal machining or skill needed, barrel wasn't rifled so accuracy sucked, but it only took me about 4 hours to make
 
2014-01-17 08:35:59 PM

Begoggle: noblewolf: "City of Brotherly Love"  That there is funny

Lived just outside of that dump most of my life...

Glad to be away from it...

Me too, West Philly here.
One day I was shooting hoops on the school playground and some thugs started making trouble.
That's when I pulled my glock and took care of business.
I moved to Missouri Bel-Air not long after that.


FTFY

/Yo Homes, smell ya later
 
2014-01-17 08:36:54 PM

jaytkay: meyerkev: Sure, you can make it illegal, but since when has THAT stopped anybody.

We really need to get rid of oppressive murder laws. Not a single murderer was stopped by them.


You do realize the complete and total stupidity of that argument, right?
 
2014-01-17 08:39:32 PM

jaytkay: meyerkev: Sure, you can make it illegal, but since when has THAT stopped anybody.

We really need to get rid of oppressive murder laws. Not a single murderer was stopped by them.


Sure, you can punish them after the fact (assuming they don't suicide), but the goal is to either:

* Shut them down before they go on a rampage (very much preferred)
* Shut them down very early on in their rampage before they kill lots of people.

And a couple generation's worth of iterations on 3D printers will make #1 very, very difficult to do 100% of the time without going full-on 1984 dystopia.  Way harder than it is now.
 
2014-01-17 08:40:19 PM

Pribar: /Don't see what the panic over printed guns is, back before the automatic weapons ban I made a sten gun using a copy of plans the Brits passed out to the French resistance in WWII, minimal machining or skill needed, barrel wasn't rifled so accuracy sucked, but it only took me about 4 hours to make


Somewhere, deep underground, in an air-conditioned room full of servers, a beep just went off indicating your information being added to a list of potential threats.

/And I just quoted you
//beep
//dammit
 
2014-01-17 08:42:48 PM

MattyBlast: FTFA: "Police said they were not providing details about the suspect, citing his age. Police had tweeted that the suspect was a student at the school."

If you cite his age, gender, and the fact that he's a student at the school, aren't you doing exactly that (providing details about the suspect), dumbasses??


FERPA allows schools to release certain information to the police that schools cannot release to the public. The good news is we'd still know his height and weight if he was on the football team.
 
2014-01-17 08:44:24 PM

Farkage: I'm sure this thread will be full of the usual non-emotional banter...


Farkage: complete and total stupidity


Word.
 
2014-01-17 08:49:15 PM

Pribar: meyerkev: /And for the anti-gun people, have you really thought out the implications of 3D printers and banning guns?  Sure, you can make it illegal, but since when has THAT stopped anybody.

The best one so far was that California assemblyman that wants the law requiring 3d printed guns to have metallic  plates in em so they can be seen by airport scanners, so remember if you print one to smuggle into the secure area of an airport ya better have the required plate or you are breaking the law!


/Don't see what the panic over printed guns is, back before the automatic weapons ban I made a sten gun using a copy of plans the Brits passed out to the French resistance in WWII, minimal machining or skill needed, barrel wasn't rifled so accuracy sucked, but it only took me about 4 hours to make


How's your fiancée, Morgan Fairchild, doing?
 
2014-01-17 08:58:07 PM
What this microscopic coverage of school shootings may do in the positive is bring to the national attention that these types of acts happen at non-affluent schools and usually never get any more mention than at the 6:00 local news that night before being forgotten.
 
2014-01-17 09:01:00 PM

Daedalus27: I like where the story says it adds to the debate on gun control. What debate? We had the debate and the NRA and their political supporters won. Now we are living with that outcome.


 Yeah, because if it wasn't for the NRA and it's idiot supporters we would have things like laws against 15 year old kids having guns, or laws against bringing guns into school!
 
2014-01-17 09:03:53 PM

Click Click D'oh: Daedalus27: I like where the story says it adds to the debate on gun control. What debate? We had the debate and the NRA and their political supporters won. Now we are living with that outcome.

 Yeah, because if it wasn't for the NRA and it's idiot supporters we would have things like laws against 15 year old kids having guns, or laws against bringing guns into school!



Read my whole statement and I made your point already.
 
2014-01-17 09:04:44 PM
I find it ridiculous that the debate on these articles is always over gun control instead of what makes these kids do these things. There is a cancer
 
2014-01-17 09:15:42 PM

KidneyStone: Pribar: meyerkev: /And for the anti-gun people, have you really thought out the implications of 3D printers and banning guns?  Sure, you can make it illegal, but since when has THAT stopped anybody.

The best one so far was that California assemblyman that wants the law requiring 3d printed guns to have metallic  plates in em so they can be seen by airport scanners, so remember if you print one to smuggle into the secure area of an airport ya better have the required plate or you are breaking the law!


/Don't see what the panic over printed guns is, back before the automatic weapons ban I made a sten gun using a copy of plans the Brits passed out to the French resistance in WWII, minimal machining or skill needed, barrel wasn't rifled so accuracy sucked, but it only took me about 4 hours to make

How's your fiancée, Morgan Fairchild, doing?


whatever child, go google sten and see for yourself how easy it is, back in the early 80s there were classes on how to make em as the tax stamp was the most expensive part of making one legally, it was people like me that were in the MG craze back then that caused the panic that led to the 1986 MG ban in the Firearm Owners Protection Act


/if I remember right ya filed a 30 buck application for a manufacturers license and a 200 buck application for the tax stamp. I think the costs have went up a lot since then, plus the teeny fact that fully auto weapons are illegal to make for civilians.
 
2014-01-17 09:19:45 PM

vodka: I find it ridiculous that the debate on these articles is always over gun control instead of what makes these kids do these things. There is a cancer


That is too difficult a question.  There could be reasons of culture that certainly could be seen as uncomfortable for anyone to bring up because it could easily drift into a topic that cannot be discussed in America.  Mental illness (while seemingly not an issue in this shooting) is another topic that is wrapped up in so many of these cases and has no easy solution so inevitably while it may be mentioned, there is no depth or real discussion of needed steps to address the ever growing numbers of mentally ill.  That leaves the tools utilized in these events which are incredibly easy to demonize and target for responsibility even if they are one small part.  The solutions made to remove the tool are seemingly simple in the minds of advocates of prohibition and restrictions on firearms, but really fails to address the larger problems and whose impact is largely on individuals who do not engage in the unlawful behavior.
 
2014-01-17 09:23:01 PM

Daedalus27: vodka: I find it ridiculous that the debate on these articles is always over gun control instead of what makes these kids do these things. There is a cancer

That is too difficult a question.  There could be reasons of culture that certainly could be seen as uncomfortable for anyone to bring up because it could easily drift into a topic that cannot be discussed in America.  Mental illness (while seemingly not an issue in this shooting) is another topic that is wrapped up in so many of these cases and has no easy solution so inevitably while it may be mentioned, there is no depth or real discussion of needed steps to address the ever growing numbers of mentally ill.  That leaves the tools utilized in these events which are incredibly easy to demonize and target for responsibility even if they are one small part.  The solutions made to remove the tool are seemingly simple in the minds of advocates of prohibition and restrictions on firearms, but really fails to address the larger problems and whose impact is largely on individuals who do not engage in the unlawful behavior.


Reasonable discourse is not allowed here, you are hereby sentenced to 3 hours of reading the comments section of the politics tab, and may God have mercy on your soul
 
2014-01-17 09:34:08 PM
The thing is.. I highly doubt this is some unstable teen out looking to get all the evil bullies in the world.  North Philly is one of the worst crime sections of Philadelphia.
 
2014-01-17 09:35:28 PM
David Gingery laughs at your silly 3D printers.
 
2014-01-17 09:45:12 PM
Violence is so pervasive in Philly schools that this story barely raises eyebrows in that town.

/ former Philadelphia school district teacher
// teaching in that district is a meat grinder
 
2014-01-17 09:46:34 PM

Rivetman1.0: David Gingery laughs at your silly 3D printers.


I have all his books in my shop, I am a luthier and his metal shaper has come in handy many times over the years when I have needed out of manufacture hardware for a antique instrument and had to handmake the part
 
2014-01-17 09:54:18 PM
It's a school shooting when white suburbanites do it. It's gang violence when it poor blacks do it.
 
2014-01-17 10:17:20 PM
Priceof Freedom(tm) people, nothing to see here. Keep moving.
 
2014-01-17 10:24:50 PM

styckx: The thing is.. I highly doubt this is some unstable teen out looking to get all the evil bullies in the world.  North Philly is one of the worst crime sections of Philadelphia.


I used PNE (NE philly airport) frequently a long time ago. Rough neighborhood but happily it was not completely abandoned and destroyed the way some other inner-city places were in the 70s and 80s.

It cracked me up when, shortly after the elections last year, some yahoo siezed on the fact that not a single ballot was cast for Romney in one of the precincts in NE philly. Safe to say the intrepid "columnist" probably did not spend a lot of time off that section of I-95....
 
2014-01-17 10:41:43 PM

MisterTweak: styckx: The thing is.. I highly doubt this is some unstable teen out looking to get all the evil bullies in the world.  North Philly is one of the worst crime sections of Philadelphia.

I used PNE (NE philly airport) frequently a long time ago. Rough neighborhood but happily it was not completely abandoned and destroyed the way some other inner-city places were in the 70s and 80s.

It cracked me up when, shortly after the elections last year, some yahoo siezed on the fact that not a single ballot was cast for Romney in one of the precincts in NE philly. Safe to say the intrepid "columnist" probably did not spend a lot of time off that section of I-95....


This.

Look, there *might* be some voter fraud going down.  Among other things, the current system (walk in, say "Hi, I'm  Bob." vote Bob's ballot, and hope that Bob doesn't actually try to vote later that day) is pretty terrible for detecting it, and if it wasn't for the historical precedents, I'd be right there with you on photo id.

Having a 100% black, 100% poor, 100% urban precinct cast 100% Obama votes is not voter fraud.  If there had been any Romney votes, that would've said voter fraud.
 
2014-01-17 10:51:48 PM

Daedalus27: meyerkev: Only 2.  No one died.

Huh.   Why is this national news again?

Or possibly "Huzzah, a 0 death shooting in the city is national news.  That means that there aren't any 20 death rampages through suburban elementary schools with no cops on duty to be making a big deal of.  Progress."

/And for the anti-gun people, have you really thought out the implications of 3D printers and banning guns?  Sure, you can make it illegal, but since when has THAT stopped anybody.


3D printers make shiatty single use inaccurate weapons. Maybe they will get better with better materials and designs but right now who the hell cares about 3D weapons.  It is the hundreds of millions of previously manufactured high quality weapons in hundreds of millions of citizens hands that is the real barrier to any gun ban.


Actually, a company just made a fully metal, fully functional 1911 pistol with a 3d printer. So, no, they are a bit more advanced than you might think.
 
2014-01-17 10:52:26 PM
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2014-01-17 10:58:34 PM

styckx: They should be concentrating on how Philly has become such a broke shiat hole. I love that city but it's a farking hive of crime now..


Philly is neither broke nor a shiat-hole.  And crime is lower than it's been for decades.  And if you take everything into account, crime is a lot lower than it was a century ago.

Philly hit rock bottom somewhere between 1975 and 1985.  It's all been uphill since then.

/I'm guessing you haven't actually spent any time in Philly since 1980.
 
2014-01-17 10:59:40 PM

MisterTweak: styckx: The thing is.. I highly doubt this is some unstable teen out looking to get all the evil bullies in the world.  North Philly is one of the worst crime sections of Philadelphia.

I used PNE (NE philly airport) frequently a long time ago. Rough neighborhood but happily it was not completely abandoned and destroyed the way some other inner-city places were in the 70s and 80s.

It cracked me up when, shortly after the elections last year, some yahoo siezed on the fact that not a single ballot was cast for Romney in one of the precincts in NE philly. Safe to say the intrepid "columnist" probably did not spend a lot of time off that section of I-95....


That's hilarious.  It's by no means Kennsington but yeah.. It's not nice either..   I wish Philly would get cleaned up.  The parts "they" want you to see are definitely nice etc but man.... You really don't have to walk far to quickly be in a "Oh shiat" section of town.  When I was in Tacoma this summer I was warned about bad areas in Fife etc and some areas in Seattle.. When I saw these places I jokingly said "This is ghetto to you? This is the sprawling suburbs to me"...  I ended up spending two entire days walking Seattle and I didn't ever once hit a section where I was looking over my shoulder.

Meanwhile. I've lived in South Jersey (I'm literally 10 minutes from Center City) all 36 yeras of my life and I still watch whos around me even in Center City..
 
2014-01-17 11:05:29 PM

Dwight_Yeast: styckx: They should be concentrating on how Philly has become such a broke shiat hole. I love that city but it's a farking hive of crime now..

Philly is neither broke nor a shiat-hole.  And crime is lower than it's been for decades.  And if you take everything into account, crime is a lot lower than it was a century ago.

Philly hit rock bottom somewhere between 1975 and 1985.  It's all been uphill since then.

/I'm guessing you haven't actually spent any time in Philly since 1980.


It went down in 2013. It was trending up and up and up and up before that.

http://www.phillymag.com/news/2014/01/14/phillys-murder-rate-skyrock et ing-2014/
 
2014-01-17 11:14:59 PM

styckx: It went down in 2013. It was trending up and up and up and up before that.

http://www.phillymag.com/news/2014/01/14/phillys-murder-rate-skyrock et ing-2014/


I said crime rate, not murder rate.  Murder rate has also been trending down.

As far as the Philly Mag extrapolating the 2104 murder rate 11 days into the new year?  All I can say is:

imgs.xkcd.com
 
2014-01-17 11:43:06 PM

jaytkay: meyerkev: Sure, you can make it illegal, but since when has THAT stopped anybody.

We really need to get rid of oppressive murder laws. Not a single murderer was stopped by them.


Making it more illegal won't help either.
 
2014-01-17 11:48:55 PM

Daedalus27: I like where the story says it adds to the debate on gun control.  What debate?   We had the debate and the NRA and their political supporters won.  Now we are living with that outcome.  Of course had every proposed legislative remedy to gun violence been passed into law, it is likely we would still be having these events.  Mentally ill or motivated individuals can and will find weapons to use in committing their harm.


yeah, but then you would have the killings happen in the morning, when all the kids crowd to get on the bus.

Mow them down with a Honda accord.   Of course,  you wont hear for calls to ban cars, because liberals like driving to work.  It is only things they dont personally have a need for that they want to ban.
 
2014-01-17 11:59:21 PM

Pribar: meyerkev: /And for the anti-gun people, have you really thought out the implications of 3D printers and banning guns?  Sure, you can make it illegal, but since when has THAT stopped anybody.

The best one so far was that California assemblyman that wants the law requiring 3d printed guns to have metallic  plates in em so they can be seen by airport scanners, so remember if you print one to smuggle into the secure area of an airport ya better have the required plate or you are breaking the law!


/Don't see what the panic over printed guns is, back before the automatic weapons ban I made a sten gun using a copy of plans the Brits passed out to the French resistance in WWII, minimal machining or skill needed, barrel wasn't rifled so accuracy sucked, but it only took me about 4 hours to make


Got a link to those plans? I need something interesting to look at on my lunch break.
 
2014-01-18 12:07:20 AM

Kit Fister: Actually, a company just made a fully metal, fully functional 1911 pistol with a 3d printer. So, no, they are a bit more advanced than you might think.


Well, this wasn't a private 3D printer...more like something just shy of a CNC machine.  Sophisticated, expensive, and pretty much been doable for decades.
 
2014-01-18 12:33:22 AM

styckx: The local news around here (Fox Philly, Action News, NBC 10, Eyewitness News) were practically begging this to be 20 kids running around like it was Vietnam.. You would have sworn it was Columbine.. That's how bad they wanted this to be more than it was.. farking animals.. It was just an asshole inner city kid with a gun... Nothing more.


They were just looking to give their ratings a
(/sunglasses)
shot in the arm
 
2014-01-18 07:35:41 AM

jaybeezey: jaytkay: meyerkev: Sure, you can make it illegal, but since when has THAT stopped anybody.

We really need to get rid of oppressive murder laws. Not a single murderer was stopped by them.

Making it more illegal won't help either.


Do you advocate blocking basic research into the underlying causes of murder?

Because that's what the NRA has done for decades now with gun violence.

/pro-gun
//anti-NRA
 
2014-01-18 07:46:07 AM
A school shooting?
Somebody shot a school?
i18.photobucket.com
 
2014-01-18 07:54:27 AM

Daedalus27: I like where the story says it adds to the debate on gun control.  What debate?   We had the debate and the NRA and their political supporters won.  Now we are living with that outcome.  Of course had every proposed legislative remedy to gun violence been passed into law, it is likely we would still be having these events.  Mentally ill or motivated individuals can and will find weapons to use in committing their harm.


You mean thugs with guns typically do not care about the legal ramifications of their actions?  Nor do they care about the venue of where they choose to exercise said actions?

www.bloodygoodhorror.com
 
2014-01-18 08:29:39 AM

Daedalus27: Of course had every proposed legislative remedy to gun violence been passed into law, it is likely we would still be having these events.


In every single "mass shooting" since Sandy Hook, the shooter had already broken multiple gun laws before they even pulled the trigger.
 
2014-01-18 09:15:54 AM

Daedalus27: I like where the story says it adds to the debate on gun control.  What debate?   We had the debate and the NRA and their political supporters won.  Now we are living with that outcome.  Of course had every proposed legislative remedy to gun violence been passed into law, it is likely we would still be having these events.  Mentally ill or motivated individuals can and will find weapons to use in committing their harm.


Why don't you ask nicely? Have you tried that? Old people and women, please give up the ability to defend yourself.
 
2014-01-18 09:19:31 AM

Piizzadude: Come on, it is just a law abiding citizen exercising his constitutional rights.


You have convinced me. One more law will be the one that stops criminals from breaking laws. Just like speeders that murder people. It has completely stopped. No one dies on the road anymore because of law breakers.
 
2014-01-18 09:22:16 AM

Jovimon: Where's the national debate over knife and hammer laws? Had a few of those in the news today.


Are you aware that you don't have to live in this country? No one is holding a hammer to your head.
 
2014-01-18 09:33:09 AM
"Initially, he was thought to be the shooter, but investigators were able to determine the kid was not a shooter, Stanford said. "He was there but I don't believe he was involved."

Another boy turned himself in and was being interviewed by police late Friday night, Stanford said. A third boy was also supposed to turn himself in, but had not yet done so.


"No, I am Spartacus!"
 
2014-01-18 09:34:04 AM
We had an almost-shooting here, not my district but close enough to make us twitchy. A kid carried his science project into class under a blanket. Pulled it out to do his report/demonstration in front of the class, and it was a rifle. Fortunately the kid really was a loser idiot, and did this right next to the teacher who grabbed the rifle with one hand and straight-armed the kid with the other. Not a shot was fired.

He had a ton of extra ammunition, but only the one small clip. He had a detailed plan that he'd been working on for some time, apparently. Which since absolutely no one was hurt I can mock him for. HA HA. Spend months in your basement bedroom planning to out Columbine Columbine, and you get shut down at step one. And you thought you were a loser before...

Clearly the only logical response here is to ban science projects.
 
2014-01-18 09:46:27 AM

namegoeshere: We had an almost-shooting here, not my district but close enough to make us twitchy. A kid carried his science project into class under a blanket. Pulled it out to do his report/demonstration in front of the class, and it was a rifle. Fortunately the kid really was a loser idiot, and did this right next to the teacher who grabbed the rifle with one hand and straight-armed the kid with the other. Not a shot was fired.

He had a ton of extra ammunition, but only the one small clip. He had a detailed plan that he'd been working on for some time, apparently. Which since absolutely no one was hurt I can mock him for. HA HA. Spend months in your basement bedroom planning to out Columbine Columbine, and you get shut down at step one. And you thought you were a loser before...

Clearly the only logical response here is to ban science projects.


Link?
 
2014-01-18 09:51:15 AM

StoPPeRmobile: namegoeshere: We had an almost-shooting here, not my district but close enough to make us twitchy. A kid carried his science project into class under a blanket. Pulled it out to do his report/demonstration in front of the class, and it was a rifle. Fortunately the kid really was a loser idiot, and did this right next to the teacher who grabbed the rifle with one hand and straight-armed the kid with the other. Not a shot was fired.

He had a ton of extra ammunition, but only the one small clip. He had a detailed plan that he'd been working on for some time, apparently. Which since absolutely no one was hurt I can mock him for. HA HA. Spend months in your basement bedroom planning to out Columbine Columbine, and you get shut down at step one. And you thought you were a loser before...

Clearly the only logical response here is to ban science projects.

Link?


Here
 
2014-01-18 10:24:31 AM

namegoeshere: StoPPeRmobile: namegoeshere: We had an almost-shooting here, not my district but close enough to make us twitchy. A kid carried his science project into class under a blanket. Pulled it out to do his report/demonstration in front of the class, and it was a rifle. Fortunately the kid really was a loser idiot, and did this right next to the teacher who grabbed the rifle with one hand and straight-armed the kid with the other. Not a shot was fired.

He had a ton of extra ammunition, but only the one small clip. He had a detailed plan that he'd been working on for some time, apparently. Which since absolutely no one was hurt I can mock him for. HA HA. Spend months in your basement bedroom planning to out Columbine Columbine, and you get shut down at step one. And you thought you were a loser before...

Clearly the only logical response here is to ban science projects.

Link?

Here


I thought it was always better to not resist.
 
2014-01-18 12:22:40 PM
Will you be getting off at the city of Brotherly Love?
content8.flixster.com
 
2014-01-18 02:58:56 PM

AngryDragon: namegoeshere: StoPPeRmobile: namegoeshere: We had an almost-shooting here, not my district but close enough to make us twitchy. A kid carried his science project into class under a blanket. Pulled it out to do his report/demonstration in front of the class, and it was a rifle. Fortunately the kid really was a loser idiot, and did this right next to the teacher who grabbed the rifle with one hand and straight-armed the kid with the other. Not a shot was fired.

He had a ton of extra ammunition, but only the one small clip. He had a detailed plan that he'd been working on for some time, apparently. Which since absolutely no one was hurt I can mock him for. HA HA. Spend months in your basement bedroom planning to out Columbine Columbine, and you get shut down at step one. And you thought you were a loser before...

Clearly the only logical response here is to ban science projects.

Link?

Here

I thought it was always better to not resist.


Maybe if the goal is not killing, but something like robbing. Then f*ck it. I can cancel my credit cards and replace my jewelry. Have it - just don't shoot me. But in school shootings the only goal is shooting people. So not resisting will not help you not get shot. I would resist the f*ck out of that. If I was this teacher, that is, with the brass balls and all.
 
2014-01-18 03:37:20 PM

namegoeshere: AngryDragon: namegoeshere: StoPPeRmobile: namegoeshere: We had an almost-shooting here, not my district but close enough to make us twitchy. A kid carried his science project into class under a blanket. Pulled it out to do his report/demonstration in front of the class, and it was a rifle. Fortunately the kid really was a loser idiot, and did this right next to the teacher who grabbed the rifle with one hand and straight-armed the kid with the other. Not a shot was fired.

He had a ton of extra ammunition, but only the one small clip. He had a detailed plan that he'd been working on for some time, apparently. Which since absolutely no one was hurt I can mock him for. HA HA. Spend months in your basement bedroom planning to out Columbine Columbine, and you get shut down at step one. And you thought you were a loser before...

Clearly the only logical response here is to ban science projects.

Link?

Here

I thought it was always better to not resist.

Maybe if the goal is not killing, but something like robbing. Then f*ck it. I can cancel my credit cards and replace my jewelry. Have it - just don't shoot me. But in school shootings the only goal is shooting people. So not resisting will not help you not get shot. I would resist the f*ck out of that. If I was this teacher, that is, with the brass balls and all.


The teacher should have called the cops. Only cops should be in possession of guns.
 
2014-01-18 06:52:15 PM
wafflesatnoon.com
 
2014-01-18 06:59:45 PM
Are Frank, Mack, Dennis and Dee all right?
 
2014-01-18 07:07:38 PM

namegoeshere: AngryDragon: namegoeshere: StoPPeRmobile: namegoeshere: We had an almost-shooting here, not my district but close enough to make us twitchy. A kid carried his science project into class under a blanket. Pulled it out to do his report/demonstration in front of the class, and it was a rifle. Fortunately the kid really was a loser idiot, and did this right next to the teacher who grabbed the rifle with one hand and straight-armed the kid with the other. Not a shot was fired.

He had a ton of extra ammunition, but only the one small clip. He had a detailed plan that he'd been working on for some time, apparently. Which since absolutely no one was hurt I can mock him for. HA HA. Spend months in your basement bedroom planning to out Columbine Columbine, and you get shut down at step one. And you thought you were a loser before...

Clearly the only logical response here is to ban science projects.

Link?

Here

I thought it was always better to not resist.

Maybe if the goal is not killing, but something like robbing. Then f*ck it. I can cancel my credit cards and replace my jewelry. Have it - just don't shoot me. But in school shootings the only goal is shooting people. So not resisting will not help you not get shot. I would resist the f*ck out of that. If I was this teacher, that is, with the brass balls and all.


And how do you make the determination that the criminal wants just your stuff and not your life?  Does he hold the gun a certain way?  Is there a secret handshake?
 
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