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2014-01-17 08:49:22 PM  
However, at the apartment, Wang shoved his mother in front of the detective and ran toward his bedroom.

Throwing your Asian mother in front of the cops to buy yourself time to wipe your child-porn filled hard drive? I think prison is a safer place than home for this guy.
 
2014-01-17 09:37:42 PM  
scontent-b-sea.xx.fbcdn.net

Just let me clear the ol' browser history...
 
2014-01-17 09:43:01 PM  
Wang's kind of an unfortunate name, all things considered.

In other news, hope he gets his in gen pop.

/I wonder if his computer was also a Wang...
 
2014-01-17 09:43:56 PM  
I have a feeling, he's going to see a lot of wang in prison.
 
2014-01-17 09:52:37 PM  
I, like many totally normal people, have spent an entirely reasonable amount of time thinking about how I would go about doing illegal things, like building and maintaining a crystal methamphetamine trading company. Including various fail safes and the destruction of evidence in the evident of being caught. Never once did I consider powerful magnets in my shoes to attack a hard drive. So bonus points for imagination.
 
2014-01-17 09:59:38 PM  
What an attractive soul.
 
2014-01-17 10:00:34 PM  
Or...what an attractive sole.

/I never know which homonym to use when writing puns
 
2014-01-17 10:00:36 PM  
Yeah, biatch! MAGNETS!
 
2014-01-17 10:08:24 PM  
Yeah, because hard drives don't already have powerful magnets in them. You'd need a degauser to kill a drive quickly. (Or submerge it in water while its running)
 
2014-01-17 10:16:37 PM  
s15.postimg.org
 
2014-01-17 11:23:26 PM  
yeah, uh, static magnetic fields won't erase stuff that way.

I've got a bulk eraser from the 60's that was used to wipe reel-to-reel tape. I have used it to demagnetize a hammer. I'm not certain it would erase a hard drive.
 
2014-01-18 12:09:58 AM  
I have a major problem with the tampering with evidence charge. It's asinine and against all concept of property rights that if you own a piece if property those rights don't extend to the ability to destroy in
 
2014-01-18 12:12:18 AM  
From the comments:

I'm absolutely shocked that liberal Rutgers expelled him!!! Wasn't he just looking at art or something? doesn't he have the right to.......................................................whatever? We need as a society to accept those that are different from us! How was he hurting anyone by viewing images? Especially in the privacy of his own home? Who are we to judge??? lol Rutgers has an ethical standard???? You learn something new everyday!

I'm guessing a troll?.
 
2014-01-18 12:12:48 AM  

TheOmni: I, like many totally normal people, have spent an entirely reasonable amount of time thinking about how I would go about doing illegal things, like building and maintaining a crystal methamphetamine trading company. Including various fail safes and the destruction of evidence in the evident of being caught. Never once did I consider powerful magnets in my shoes to attack a hard drive. So bonus points for imagination.


I always thought thermite would be the best way to make sure "the man" would never be able to recover anything from your hard drive.
 
2014-01-18 12:13:08 AM  
Go ahead cops.  On my computer, you won't find a single porn: child, horse, clown or otherwise.
 
2014-01-18 12:13:11 AM  
shiat, after reading the headline I thought he was trying to get sucked through the wall or something and stick on to a metal truck that was driving by to make his escape.
 
2014-01-18 12:16:56 AM  

MrHappyRotter: Go ahead cops.  On my computer, you won't find a single porn: child, horse, clown or otherwise.


They will if they plant it there.
 
2014-01-18 12:20:52 AM  

CygnusDarius: From the comments:

I'm absolutely shocked that liberal Rutgers expelled him!!! Wasn't he just looking at art or something? doesn't he have the right to.......................................................whatever? We need as a society to accept those that are different from us! How was he hurting anyone by viewing images? Especially in the privacy of his own home? Who are we to judge??? lol Rutgers has an ethical standard???? You learn something new everyday!

I'm guessing a troll?.


Or crazy retard.

Also from the comments:
Briar Patch9 hours ago200 images of child porn and three years in jail.The sentence doesn't seem to fit the crime. Those children will be scarred for life.


I don't think Briar Patch realizes how computers work.  They don't molest a kid and then send a single image to him.  Sharing the images doesn't cause the kid to be more molested.
 
2014-01-18 12:21:44 AM  

Warlordtrooper: I have a major problem with the tampering with evidence charge. It's asinine and against all concept of property rights that if you own a piece if property those rights don't extend to the ability to destroy in


Even if you commit a crime with it? Come now, would you really be OK with someone destroying a murder weapon?
 
2014-01-18 12:22:27 AM  

CygnusDarius: From the comments:

I'm absolutely shocked that liberal Rutgers expelled him!!! Wasn't he just looking at art or something? doesn't he have the right to.......................................................whatever? We need as a society to accept those that are different from us! How was he hurting anyone by viewing images? Especially in the privacy of his own home? Who are we to judge??? lol Rutgers has an ethical standard???? You learn something new everyday!

I'm guessing a troll?.


Probably not. There have been Fark threads about child porn in the past that got those types of creeps too. fark usually gets some bigger creeps
 
2014-01-18 12:23:13 AM  
Shoe magnets? He didn't use them right.
Wrong way:
cobolhacker3.files.wordpress.com

Right way:
ww2.hdnux.com
 
2014-01-18 12:23:42 AM  
Thermite that computer drive.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-ckechIqW0

/House fire optional
 
2014-01-18 12:23:51 AM  

MrHappyRotter: Go ahead cops.  On my computer, you won't find a single porn: child, horse, clown or otherwise.


You really think the cloud is a good idea for that sort of thing?
 
2014-01-18 12:24:43 AM  

MrHappyRotter: Go ahead cops.  On my computer, you won't find a single porn: child, horse, clown or otherwise.


They will now, noob. Bet you didn't even know you liked midget/pony hardcore, didja?
 
2014-01-18 12:25:48 AM  

sno man: MrHappyRotter: Go ahead cops.  On my computer, you won't find a single porn: child, horse, clown or otherwise.

You really think the cloud is a good idea for that sort of thing?


Hee. :D
 
2014-01-18 12:26:04 AM  

Warlordtrooper: I have a major problem with the tampering with evidence charge. It's asinine and against all concept of property rights that if you own a piece if property those rights don't extend to the ability to destroy in


- Your Honor, we accuse Warlordtrooper of crime X.
- Where is the evidence?
- We don't have evidence, your honor. Warlordtrooper destroyed it.
- I find the defendant guilty of crime X. I also find the defendant guilty of evidence tampering.
 
2014-01-18 12:26:21 AM  
Magnets don't erase hard drives....    Idiot

If you want to destroy a drive just drill a bunch of holes in it.
 
2014-01-18 12:27:30 AM  

labman: Yeah, because hard drives don't already have powerful magnets in them. You'd need a degauser to kill a drive quickly. (Or submerge it in water while its running)


That's what I was thinking. Though small, those rare earth magnets I take from unused hard drives are pretty farking strong. They make nice refridge magnets.

Rare earth magnets are also fragile. I'd like to know what size and pull his magnets were. They couldn't have been too strong or else they would cause a lot of issues just handling them. Even a pair of half inch cube earth magnets have a strong pull and are tough to separate.
 
2014-01-18 12:31:38 AM  

styckx: Probably not. There have been Fark threads about child porn in the past that got those types of creeps too. fark usually gets some bigger creeps


I've seen 'em, it's so strange to read those comments.

Satanic_Hamster: I don't think Briar Patch realizes how computers work.  They don't molest a kid and then send a single image to him.  Sharing the images doesn't cause the kid to be more molested.


But it might encourage the makers to supply more, or others to create content.

/This is why this issue is so disturbing
//And those psychologists and psychiatrists that deal with these guys are farking heroes
 
2014-01-18 12:31:57 AM  
themaindamie.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-01-18 12:33:56 AM  
Uh, will drilling a hole in the hard drive with a power drill not work?

If I had o that's how I'd do it.
 
2014-01-18 12:34:26 AM  
Wait, so 200 images AND 230 videos? Or did the 200 images at the beginning of the articles become videos by the end of the article?

/It's late. how i read words?
 
2014-01-18 12:35:07 AM  

Asa Phelps: yeah, uh, static magnetic fields won't erase stuff that way.

I've got a bulk eraser from the 60's that was used to wipe reel-to-reel tape. I have used it to demagnetize a hammer. I'm not certain it would erase a hard drive.


I once knew a paranoid guy who had one of those duct-taped to his HDD and wired to a panic button on his case. I dunno if he ever had a chance to use it.
 
2014-01-18 12:35:21 AM  
He must have watched that episode of Breaking Bad.
 
2014-01-18 12:35:30 AM  
Megan's law is unconstitutional. It'd be kinder just to shoot 'em.
 
2014-01-18 12:36:44 AM  

you are a puppet: [themaindamie.files.wordpress.com image 500x375]


half-assed shaking fist, only since I thought I'd made the first reference to it.
 
2014-01-18 12:39:15 AM  

highwayrun: Uh, will drilling a hole in the hard drive with a power drill not work?

If I had o that's how I'd do it.


You think your mom can stop them for that long?
 
2014-01-18 12:39:58 AM  

CygnusDarius: From the comments:

I'm absolutely shocked that liberal Rutgers expelled him!!! Wasn't he just looking at art or something? doesn't he have the right to.......................................................whatever? We need as a society to accept those that are different from us! How was he hurting anyone by viewing images? Especially in the privacy of his own home? Who are we to judge??? lol Rutgers has an ethical standard???? You learn something new everyday!

I'm guessing a troll?.


</sarcasm>
 
2014-01-18 12:42:24 AM  

RKade: Megan's law is unconstitutional.


How so? Honestly asking.

I know it's been said in here that distributing copies doesn't make a victim 'more molested' or whatever... but increasing their notoriety can't be a good thing. Not to mention more variety feeds into the creeper's deviancy.
 
2014-01-18 12:42:46 AM  
He shoved his mom in front of the cops?  Lol.  So much for Asian filial piety.
 
2014-01-18 12:44:47 AM  
i1.cpcache.com
 
2014-01-18 12:47:48 AM  

buckler: Asa Phelps: yeah, uh, static magnetic fields won't erase stuff that way.

I've got a bulk eraser from the 60's that was used to wipe reel-to-reel tape. I have used it to demagnetize a hammer. I'm not certain it would erase a hard drive.


I was told that an EBow is strong enough to wipe a hard drive, but since I don't own one and really don't have a reason to mass wipe an HD in seconds I have never tried it.
 
2014-01-18 12:48:29 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: CygnusDarius: From the comments:

I'm absolutely shocked that liberal Rutgers expelled him!!! Wasn't he just looking at art or something? doesn't he have the right to.......................................................whatever? We need as a society to accept those that are different from us! How was he hurting anyone by viewing images? Especially in the privacy of his own home? Who are we to judge??? lol Rutgers has an ethical standard???? You learn something new everyday!

I'm guessing a troll?.

Or crazy retard.

Also from the comments:
Briar Patch9 hours ago200 images of child porn and three years in jail.The sentence doesn't seem to fit the crime. Those children will be scarred for life.


I don't think Briar Patch realizes how computers work.  They don't molest a kid and then send a single image to him.  Sharing the images doesn't cause the kid to be more molested.


THIS^^. Wang will be getting plenty of wang in lockdown, but the real assholes are the "people" (this term used loosely) who created the stuff in the first place. They are the ones who molested these poor kids, and should get as much prison time as possible with a human lifetime. Fark it, bury them under the cell floor after they die.
 
2014-01-18 12:52:24 AM  
So I'm guessing this guy is bipolar.
 
2014-01-18 12:53:16 AM  

MattyBlast: So I'm guessing this guy is bipolar.


And here's another set back to string theory.
 
2014-01-18 12:55:24 AM  

skinink: labman: Yeah, because hard drives don't already have powerful magnets in them. You'd need a degauser to kill a drive quickly. (Or submerge it in water while its running)

That's what I was thinking. Though small, those rare earth magnets I take from unused hard drives are pretty farking strong. They make nice refridge magnets.

Rare earth magnets are also fragile. I'd like to know what size and pull his magnets were. They couldn't have been too strong or else they would cause a lot of issues just handling them. Even a pair of half inch cube earth magnets have a strong pull and are tough to separate.


When I was going to college, ACM had a dead Convex C1 supercomputer they needed to get rid of, so I helped tear it down. I took one of the hard drives home, likely a custom thing (made by NEC) from around 1985. It used voice coils and had enormous rare earth magnets. I could barely turn the last couple of screws to remove them from the drive because they were pulling together so hard. Once out I couldn't even slide them. I ended up having to reattach  the set screws with coat hangers and rope on each one. I took it outside and tied one end to a tree and the other to my car. When I bent down to pick one of them up, rocks in the driveway were sticking to it.

I gave one of them to a friend so they'd never stick together again. Had some great fun with that thing, but eventually a friend got it too close to one of those large steel transformer boxes and it shattered.
 
2014-01-18 12:56:03 AM  
Good thing that guy is an idiot and said he'd ride with the cops to his apartment.

/if they knew it was him they would have already had a warrant.
 
2014-01-18 12:56:29 AM  

MattyBlast: So I'm guessing this guy is...


2.bp.blogspot.com

bipolar.

FTFY
 
2014-01-18 12:56:58 AM  

rewind2846: THIS^^. Wang will be getting plenty of wang in lockdown, but the real assholes are the "people" (this term used loosely) who created the stuff in the first place. They are the ones who molested these poor kids, and should get as much prison time as possible with a human lifetime. Fark it, bury them under the cell floor after they die.


Farking this!. I wouldn't mind drone strikes on pedophiles, but I fear the most dangerous ones have ties.
 
2014-01-18 12:58:29 AM  

Asa Phelps: yeah, uh, static magnetic fields won't erase stuff that way.

I've got a bulk eraser from the 60's that was used to wipe reel-to-reel tape. I have used it to demagnetize a hammer. I'm not certain it would erase a hard drive.


Yeah, modern drives have some pretty strong magnets in them already.  If they can't resist such a field they're basically useless.

Warlordtrooper: I have a major problem with the tampering with evidence charge. It's asinine and against all concept of property rights that if you own a piece if property those rights don't extend to the ability to destroy in


Once you know the cops are after something you no longer have the right to destroy it.

Oldiron_79: TheOmni: I, like many totally normal people, have spent an entirely reasonable amount of time thinking about how I would go about doing illegal things, like building and maintaining a crystal methamphetamine trading company. Including various fail safes and the destruction of evidence in the evident of being caught. Never once did I consider powerful magnets in my shoes to attack a hard drive. So bonus points for imagination.

I always thought thermite would be the best way to make sure "the man" would never be able to recover anything from your hard drive.


Yeah, that's about the only way short of explosives if you want something that doesn't require much action.

labman: Yeah, because hard drives don't already have powerful magnets in them. You'd need a degauser to kill a drive quickly. (Or submerge it in water while its running)


I don't think the water would work.  You would destroy the electronics but that wouldn't stop a data recovery company from getting back the info.
 
2014-01-18 01:00:47 AM  
Ordinary magnets CAN mess up your computer if you're dumb enough to, say, stick one on the side to hold notes in place; or, like a place where I used to work, you leave the hard drive on the floor and the janitors vacuum with one of those vacuum cleaners that have the magnets on the front to pick up paper clips and whatnot and they keep bumping into it. Not surprisingly, that computer was constantly crashing, having corrupt data, I was always having to reload programs; till finally we threw the whole mess away. Of course it was a 386 and that was in the Olden Days.

To erase the porn off your computer, probably you'd be better to inject the thing with battery acid.
 
2014-01-18 01:01:25 AM  

you are a puppet: [themaindamie.files.wordpress.com image 500x375]


25.media.tumblr.com
 
2014-01-18 01:02:07 AM  
When Wang thinks with the wrong wang, Wang be in trouble

/wang
 
2014-01-18 01:02:07 AM  

Warlordtrooper: I have a major problem with the tampering with evidence charge. It's asinine and against all concept of property rights that if you own a piece if property those rights don't extend to the ability to destroy in


How do you propose police collect evidence, by asking nicely?
 
2014-01-18 01:04:15 AM  

Gyrfalcon: or, like a place where I used to work, you leave the hard drive on the floor and the janitors vacuum with one of those vacuum cleaners that have the magnets on the front to pick up paper clips and whatnot and they keep bumping into it.


Honestly? The electric motor is going to generate orders of magnitude stronger electric fields than any magnets on the front. They just don't pick up the paper clips because the fields are continuously in flux: Much worse for picking stuff up, much better for erasing hard drives.
 
2014-01-18 01:06:27 AM  
Hmm, maybe I'll start selling my "PC Self-Destruct" tools...
 
2014-01-18 01:14:59 AM  
What? No mention of how this idiot should have been using TrueCrypt?
 
2014-01-18 01:15:08 AM  

Oldiron_79: I always thought thermite would be the best way to make sure "the man" would never be able to recover anything from your hard drive.


They either already have you under surveillance or they don't.  If they do, they probably already have the contents of your hard drive.  If they don't, you're probably safe just throwing that hard drive in the trash bin at your local 7-11 or gas station or wherever.  Nobody's going to find it and decide to go to the trouble of seeing what's on it.  It's just trash at that point.

I mean I hope so anyway.
 
2014-01-18 01:16:59 AM  

twistedmetal: I have a feeling, he's going to see a lot of wang in prison.


Came for the wang joke.  TYVM.
 
2014-01-18 01:19:35 AM  

gfid: Oldiron_79: I always thought thermite would be the best way to make sure "the man" would never be able to recover anything from your hard drive.

They either already have you under surveillance or they don't.  If they do, they probably already have the contents of your hard drive.  If they don't, you're probably safe just throwing that hard drive in the trash bin at your local 7-11 or gas station or wherever.  Nobody's going to find it and decide to go to the trouble of seeing what's on it.  It's just trash at that point.

I mean I hope so anyway.


Usually the kind of people who get in trouble for kiddie porn aren't going to know they're being watched until after it's too late to dump the computer. Hackers and assorted other criminals are usually too dumb to know when they should get out and wait too long.
 
2014-01-18 01:26:40 AM  

ladyfortuna: RKade: Megan's law is unconstitutional.

How so? Honestly asking.

I know it's been said in here that distributing copies doesn't make a victim 'more molested' or whatever... but increasing their notoriety can't be a good thing. Not to mention more variety feeds into the creeper's deviancy.


Megan's Law, as it stands, doesn't let these people re-acclimate to society so they can move on after having served their time. My brother is on that list for life after some college party bullcrap with some lying 17 year old. 10 years later and he still doesn't have a job.

What would be the decent thing is to outlaw the public nature of it altogether but I've devised a plan to keep parents aware. 3 levels of sex offense. Rank one gets 5 years probation, counseling, and their name on the list until they complete counseling and probation... and also the original jail/prison This is for your circumstance stuff. One time kind of thing. Rank 2 would be all that +10 years on the list. This is your online-based stuff and your rape. Rank 3 is life on the list plus prison. This is for your serial predator-style sicko.

That way, you keep the farkups in check without ruining them for life and you keep the sickos where you can see them.
 
2014-01-18 01:28:32 AM  

farvour: What? No mention of how this idiot should have been using TrueCrypt?


Judge - Decrypt the contents of your computer for the police.
Defendant - Uh, no.
Judge - I sentence you to 30 days in jail for contempt.  In 30 days you can come back and I will ask again.
((repeat indefinitely))
 
2014-01-18 01:29:42 AM  
They did this on Law & Order one time. Sneaky dude had some electromagnetic field in his doorway, when they took out the 'puter, it allegedly wiped it clean.

A neat trick for a TV script, anyhow.
 
2014-01-18 01:30:12 AM  
Actually, sticking a drive in a self cleaning oven might do it, if it can reach the Curie point...
 
2014-01-18 01:31:11 AM  

omnimancer28: farvour: What? No mention of how this idiot should have been using TrueCrypt?

Judge - Decrypt the contents of your computer for the police.
Defendant - Uh, no.
Judge - I sentence you to 30 days in jail for contempt.  In 30 days you can come back and I will ask again.
((repeat indefinitely))


Exactly.
 
2014-01-18 01:41:49 AM  

sheep snorter: Thermite that computer drive.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-ckechIqW0

/House fire optional


I was hoping that was the thermite scene from Conspiracy Theory. Sadly, it was not.
 
2014-01-18 01:47:47 AM  

Asa Phelps: yeah, uh, static magnetic fields won't erase stuff that way.

I've got a bulk eraser from the 60's that was used to wipe reel-to-reel tape. I have used it to demagnetize a hammer. I'm not certain it would erase a hard drive.


Absolutely not. You'd think their'd be warnings on the HDD label about magnetic fields, but I've never seen a single one. At the bit-level, the HDD write head puts out a pretty high magnetic flux, (at least with GMR heads) way higher than permanent magnets put out. To destroy the data like that you'd need a superconducting magnet, or at least a Bitter core and a really big capacitor.

/Or something solid to hit the drive and break the platters...
//A hammer would have helped the kid out better than some magnets.
 
2014-01-18 01:50:02 AM  
Has anybody considereded microwaving  a hard drive? Not the same technology, of course, but a microwave oven sure does entertaining things to CDs.
 
2014-01-18 01:53:45 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: CygnusDarius: From the comments:

I'm absolutely shocked that liberal Rutgers expelled him!!! Wasn't he just looking at art or something? doesn't he have the right to.......................................................whatever? We need as a society to accept those that are different from us! How was he hurting anyone by viewing images? Especially in the privacy of his own home? Who are we to judge??? lol Rutgers has an ethical standard???? You learn something new everyday!

I'm guessing a troll?.

Or crazy retard.

Also from the comments:
Briar Patch9 hours ago200 images of child porn and three years in jail.The sentence doesn't seem to fit the crime. Those children will be scarred for life.


I don't think Briar Patch realizes how computers work.  They don't molest a kid and then send a single image to him.  Sharing the images doesn't cause the kid to be more molested.


Sharing images keeps alive the market. These guys are sick, and should get harsh sentences for exploiting the vulnerable.
 
2014-01-18 02:03:55 AM  

omnimancer28: farvour: What? No mention of how this idiot should have been using TrueCrypt?

Judge - Decrypt the contents of your computer for the police.
Defendant - Uh, no.
Judge - I sentence you to 30 days in jail for contempt.  In 30 days you can come back and I will ask again.
((repeat indefinitely))


Can't you claim you forgot the decrpytion key? That is something they can't disprove, and if you are truthful, it is literally impossible for you to comply. Or was that overturned last year? I recall something about that but I don't remember the details.

So I guess this is the part about how the idiot should of been using TrueCrypt with a hidden partition. Then he could comply, and reveal nothing.
 
2014-01-18 02:05:48 AM  

Warlordtrooper: I have a major problem with the tampering with evidence charge. It's asinine and against all concept of property rights that if you own a piece if property those rights don't extend to the ability to destroy in


you're a libertarian aren't you?
 
2014-01-18 02:16:45 AM  
farking shoe magnets, how do they

No, too easy. How about some shoe mirrors instead?

i1.ytimg.com
 
2014-01-18 02:26:12 AM  
Degaussers for modern hard drives are readily-available.  The problem with rigging a deadman switch sort of arrangement is that to do a good job of degaussing a drive, the machine has to be relatively big.  Google disk degaussers sometime.  They're about the size of a full-sized computer tower and about twice as heavy.  They're also rather pricey.  To use one, you turn it on and insert the drive you want to destroy.  The erasure takes a split second, but it takes a minute for the machine to charge the capacitors that take up most of the room in the degausser's chassis.  There are seriously deadly currents in these things, so I don't recommend hacking them.
 
2014-01-18 02:43:46 AM  
Wonder if the cops found any of Wang's Dang Doodle on the hard drive?
forums.finalgear.com
 
2014-01-18 02:46:11 AM  

log_jammin: Warlordtrooper: I have a major problem with the tampering with evidence charge. It's asinine and against all concept of property rights that if you own a piece if property those rights don't extend to the ability to destroy in

you're a libertarian aren't you?


I don't feel as strongly as the person you responded to, but it is kind of a bullshiat charge to throw at someone.  Of course you're supposed to hide, destroy obfuscate any evidence.  Criminals try to get away with crimes.

What next?  Tacking on a charge of not notifying a security guard at a bank that you had a gun before robbing it?
 
2014-01-18 02:52:57 AM  

forgotmydamnusername: Has anybody considereded microwaving  a hard drive? Not the same technology, of course, but a microwave oven sure does entertaining things to CDs.


Won't do a thing. The shell forms a Faraday cage.
 
2014-01-18 02:53:03 AM  
As a society, we still haven't found the best way to deal with child molesters/pedophiles.  On one hand, they're ticking time bombs and can't be allowed in society.  On the other hand, jailing them for life or killing them would waste a lot of human potential.

I think we should give them the options of (1) permanent, irreversible castration, along with re-entry into society, or (2) permanent relocation to a child-free island colony for pedophiles.
 
2014-01-18 02:56:31 AM  

gfid: I don't feel as strongly as the person you responded to, but it is kind of a bullshiat charge to throw at someone.   Of course you're supposed to hide, destroy obfuscate any evidence.  Criminals try to get away with crimes.


and of course cops are supposed to find that evidence. cops try to find those who have committed crimes.

gfid: What next?  Tacking on a charge of not notifying a security guard at a bank that you had a gun before robbing it?


yeah. that doesn't make any sense.
 
2014-01-18 03:07:56 AM  

TheOmni: I, like many totally normal people, have spent an entirely reasonable amount of time thinking about how I would go about doing illegal things, like building and maintaining a crystal methamphetamine trading company. Including various fail safes and the destruction of evidence in the evident of being caught. Never once did I consider powerful magnets in my shoes to attack a hard drive. So bonus points for imagination.


Given that I actually have a degausser at work, I know what it takes to successfully wipe a modern HD.  Approximately 200 pounds of magnets(or almost as much in capacitors), and that's with it completely out of the computer, stripped of any rails and other protective covers other than the bare case.

I'd go with a encrypted file secured by a encryption certificate stored on a device that's designed to wipe said key if it's tampered with or even just given the wrong passcode too many times(or an alert one).  Better yet, 'flip panel open, push button to erase'.

Oldiron_79: I always thought thermite would be the best way to make sure "the man" would never be able to recover anything from your hard drive.


Works more ways than one.  Besides the physical destruction, any parts of the platter heated past it's Curie point will lose the magnetic information.  There has actually been work on using lasers to help write data to hard drives because around curie temperature magnetic fields are also much easier to set.  As a bonus, nobody *sane* is going to attempt to save the evidence by reaching in, like what you see in movies with fireplaces.

Just keep in mind that for minor crimes the penalty for destruction of evidence will be larger than the penalty for the crime, and with bigger crimes can actually be used as evidence against you(why bother to destroy evidence unless it's incriminating?)

omnimancer28: farvour: What? No mention of how this idiot should have been using TrueCrypt?

Judge - Decrypt the contents of your computer for the police.
Defendant - Uh, no.
Judge - I sentence you to 30 days in jail for contempt.  In 30 days you can come back and I will ask again.
((repeat indefinitely))



It's actually happened, but in general I'd be going with 'Your honor, I forgot the passcode for that HD some time ago; just hadn't gotten around to reformating it', or 'During the investigation the officers formatted the bloody drive; contents are now unretrievable, I'm suing for loss of my records...'.
 
2014-01-18 03:23:04 AM  
At that point the police had all the evidence and they were hoping he'd do something stupid like this so he couldn't claim he was bot farmed. I'm sure they had his entire drive cloned and sitting in evidence rendering any thermite or degaussing interventions moot.
 
2014-01-18 03:26:43 AM  

Ed Grubermann: forgotmydamnusername: Has anybody considereded microwaving  a hard drive? Not the same technology, of course, but a microwave oven sure does entertaining things to CDs.

Won't do a thing. The shell forms a Faraday cage.


I believe that, but I wonder how the drive would fare in the face of a raging bonfire.

I said BONFIRE, damn it. Minds out of the gutter, if you please.
 
2014-01-18 03:32:49 AM  
If you have evidence on your computer the cops really really want, they can get it whether you cooperate by "decrypting" it or not. EnCase or Norton Forensics will defeat most basic decryption that your average mook will have on his porn stash. If you're a big-time hacker, no doubt you have better encryption, in which case it will be the feds going after you, and they will have the time and NSA tools to crack whatever it is they really really want. They only want YOU to decrypt it because they're lazy and because it proves beyond a reasonable doubt that it was you who encrypted it in the first place.

If you've got that kind of weirdo shiat on your computer and the Feds really are after you, the only hope you have is to reformat or physically destroy the drives. Now I know there are technogeeks here on Fark who will dispute this; but from a lawyer standpoint, your drive contents are evidence, and if the prosecutor needs what's on it to indict you and they have the drive, they WILL find a way to get the information off of it. That said, what the hell do you have on your hard drive that needs that kind of encryption, Mr. Putin?
 
2014-01-18 03:47:41 AM  

Gyrfalcon: That said, what the hell do you have on your hard drive that needs that kind of encryption, Mr. Putin?


Emma Stone porn.
 
2014-01-18 03:57:32 AM  
Could an old MRI machine be used as a hard drive degausser?
 
2014-01-18 03:59:50 AM  

labman: Yeah, because hard drives don't already have powerful magnets in them. You'd need a degauser to kill a drive quickly. (Or submerge it in water while its running)


Oh man, you have NO IDEA what you are talking about.  I just thought I'd let everyone else know.

Water will not effect the data on the hard drive one bit (or byte).  It will effect the hard drive's capability of functioning normally, but anyone that cares to can still recover every bit of data from the platter.

As to the magnets, a decently strong magnet will in fact "erase" the hard drive.  If you can get it close enough.  Which is actually the key bit here.  Even a fairly weak magnet will destroy a hard drive platter if it's touching it.  But only where it touches, and a few cm around that area.  So then you need a bigger magnet to really get the job done.  And it still has to nearly touch the platter.

Magnetic force falls with the square of distance.  Meaning the distance between the platter and the casing makes a pretty farking huge difference.

Yes, a degauser will work, maybe.  Since they were designed for use on floppy disks, and they were intended to wipe the disk, not destroy it, the chances are it won't actually be strong enough to wipe the drive.

GUIDE: Take copper core wire (not strand wire, 20-8 gauge core wire).  Wrap it around your hard drive tightly, as many times as you can.  Use hot glue to keep it there.  Plug it into a camera flash module from a disposable camera.  When the cops show up to collect your computer, press the button.  Then you only go to jail for destruction of evidence.
 
2014-01-18 04:02:56 AM  
See, this is why you use the local MRI machine. It'll erase anything.

And as an added bonus, you can turn your witnesses against you into chunky salsa, and make it look like an accident!

www.simplyphysics.com

For added terror, that is an acetylene tank that was rocketed across the room by the magnet in the machine.
 
2014-01-18 04:12:44 AM  
3 years is a rather European sentence if I may say though. Especially since the guy wasn't just consumer but seeder of the child porn it seems.
 
2014-01-18 04:16:15 AM  

hardinparamedic: See, this is why you use the local MRI machine. It'll erase anything.


Dammit!  I just let my last one go at the yard sale last weekend.
 
2014-01-18 04:24:39 AM  
with hard drive data
that is no longer wanted
zero fill it nine
 
2014-01-18 04:28:14 AM  
Pfft! Amatuer!

*If* I was going to download & distribute child pornography, I would program a dead-man's mechanism so that if I didn't check in periodically with a code, the data would self-destroy. I tell ya, today's child pornographers have no foresight whatsoever. What IS the world coming to?
 
2014-01-18 04:32:02 AM  
the-gadgeteer.com
 
2014-01-18 04:41:16 AM  

omnimancer28: farvour: What? No mention of how this idiot should have been using TrueCrypt?

Judge - Decrypt the contents of your computer for the police.
Defendant - Uh, no.
Judge - I sentence you to 30 days in jail for contempt.  In 30 days you can come back and I will ask again.
((repeat indefinitely))


I'm sorry your honor but that large file (TrueCrypt volume in a file) is just some stuff I downloaded ages ago . See , it's labeled 'compressed linux source code and binaries / experimental'. The file must be corrupted if you can't unpack it
 
2014-01-18 04:45:07 AM  

MrHappyRotter: Go ahead cops.  On my computer, you won't find a single porn: child, horse, clown or otherwise.



You'll get it back a year later, most likely damaged.
 
2014-01-18 04:55:54 AM  
If I did it:

1. TrueCrypt with renamed executable, installation path and changed icon
2. AES-Twofish-Serpent encryption with Whirlpool hash algorithm
3. Two-level volume partitioning using a hidden volume: creates a deniable file system

Or of course you know, you could also just not be a f*cking pervert. Just sayin.
 
2014-01-18 04:59:12 AM  

Kahabut: Yes, a degauser will work, maybe. Since they were designed for use on floppy disks, and they were intended to wipe the disk, not destroy it, the chances are it won't actually be strong enough to wipe the drive.


THat depends on the degausser, this one is designed for HD's too:
localherodesign.com

Please note that it's ~5' tall, weighs over 400 pounds, and takes 40 seconds to erase a HD.
 
2014-01-18 05:04:41 AM  

Firethorn: Kahabut: Yes, a degauser will work, maybe. Since they were designed for use on floppy disks, and they were intended to wipe the disk, not destroy it, the chances are it won't actually be strong enough to wipe the drive.

THat depends on the degausser, this one is designed for HD's too:
[localherodesign.com image 500x315]

Please note that it's ~5' tall, weighs over 400 pounds, and takes 40 seconds to erase a HD.


I chuckled.

/FYI: Interest\experience in data security doesn't make you a Chris Hansen target.
 
2014-01-18 05:08:24 AM  

Stephen_Falken: If I did it:

1. TrueCrypt with renamed executable, installation path and changed icon
2. AES-Twofish-Serpent encryption with Whirlpool hash algorithm
3. Two-level volume partitioning using a hidden volume: creates a deniable file system

Or of course you know, you could also just not be a f*cking pervert. Just sayin.



I encrypted my drives after reading about Homeland security/border agents trolling through people's storage devices on fishing expeditions.  Oddly, the 'worst' they'll find is my video collection, and even then they're simply regular movies/tv shows.
 
2014-01-18 05:09:38 AM  
Most modern hdd are glas disks so just flapping hit it...
 
2014-01-18 05:41:18 AM  

IsNoGood: Most modern hdd are glas disks so just flapping hit it...


They have about as much in common with ordinary glass as 'gorilla' glass does.  You could probably take an unpowered drive and throw it across the room without damaging the platters.
 
2014-01-18 06:16:55 AM  

Firethorn: You could probably take an unpowered drive and throw it across the room without damaging the platters.


Unpowered most drives will take about 300Gs without damage. A lot of them will take 100Gs will running.

The "glass" platters are mostly ceramic with just enough glass to make them smooth. And a lot of platters are still aluminum, at least in medium/low-speed, full-sized drives.

The advantage of glass is better dimensional stability (both with respect to motion and heat), and the substrate itself is cheaper. But it's a lot harder to apply the magnetic media, so processing costs are higher.
 
2014-01-18 06:23:02 AM  

gfid: Oldiron_79: I always thought thermite would be the best way to make sure "the man" would never be able to recover anything from your hard drive.

They either already have you under surveillance or they don't.  If they do, they probably already have the contents of your hard drive.  If they don't, you're probably safe just throwing that hard drive in the trash bin at your local 7-11 or gas station or wherever.  Nobody's going to find it and decide to go to the trouble of seeing what's on it.  It's just trash at that point.

I mean I hope so anyway.


If I found a discarded hard drive in a dumpster or elsewhere, I would totally take it home and see what was on it.
 
2014-01-18 06:28:06 AM  

Huck And Molly Ziegler: They did this on Law & Order one time. Sneaky dude had some electromagnetic field in his doorway, when they took out the 'puter, it allegedly wiped it clean.

A neat trick for a TV script, anyhow.


Ha! I remember that one. It was connected to a switch on a wall and he flipped it on right before the cops walked out through the doorway.
 
2014-01-18 06:35:17 AM  
Wang shoved his mother in front of the detective and ran toward his bedroom.

Not a very nice way to treat your mother.  Only she would love a face like this:

media.nj.com

/Hope he likes the wang he's gonna be getting
 
2014-01-18 07:14:20 AM  

Warlordtrooper: I have a major problem with the tampering with evidence charge. It's asinine and against all concept of property rights that if you own a piece if property those rights don't extend to the ability to destroy in


Been awhile since I took Crim Law, but I'm pretty sure the underlying theory is 'you have no property rights in illegal stuff'.

So, in most places, you can't insure your heroin stash, and don't call the cops if it gets stolen.  Likewise, that Monet you stole?  You're responsible if anything happens to it, but your property rights in it are severely curtailed, if not non-existent.

So, while the charge here is probably legit, it is kind of a dick move to pile it on him, though.  Poor bastard's going to have it rough enough in prison, and if he survives that, life on the sex offender registry.

Probably kinder to put a bullet in him.
 
2014-01-18 07:16:18 AM  

skinink: labman: Yeah, because hard drives don't already have powerful magnets in them. You'd need a degauser to kill a drive quickly. (Or submerge it in water while its running)

That's what I was thinking. Though small, those rare earth magnets I take from unused hard drives are pretty farking strong. They make nice refridge magnets.

Rare earth magnets are also fragile. I'd like to know what size and pull his magnets were. They couldn't have been too strong or else they would cause a lot of issues just handling them. Even a pair of half inch cube earth magnets have a strong pull and are tough to separate.


Heh, I have this image of the guy's feet sticking together every step he takes, like he tied his own shoelaces together.
 
2014-01-18 07:17:54 AM  

RKade: ladyfortuna: RKade: Megan's law is unconstitutional.

How so? Honestly asking.

I know it's been said in here that distributing copies doesn't make a victim 'more molested' or whatever... but increasing their notoriety can't be a good thing. Not to mention more variety feeds into the creeper's deviancy.

Megan's Law, as it stands, doesn't let these people re-acclimate to society so they can move on after having served their time. My brother is on that list for life after some college party bullcrap with some lying 17 year old. 10 years later and he still doesn't have a job.

What would be the decent thing is to outlaw the public nature of it altogether but I've devised a plan to keep parents aware. 3 levels of sex offense. Rank one gets 5 years probation, counseling, and their name on the list until they complete counseling and probation... and also the original jail/prison This is for your circumstance stuff. One time kind of thing. Rank 2 would be all that +10 years on the list. This is your online-based stuff and your rape. Rank 3 is life on the list plus prison. This is for your serial predator-style sicko.

That way, you keep the farkups in check without ruining them for life and you keep the sickos where you can see them.


STOP BEING REASONABLE! THIS IS FARK! YOU'RE DESTROYING MY WILL TO LIVE! I HAVE CAPS LOCK!

But yeah, agreed. While there are degrees of sex crimes (like the college guy I worked with long ago who liked 13-14 year old girls) and degrees of jail time/punishment, that list seems like it will follow you forever. I don't really like that. But I don't make good newsclips like signing emotionally-driven legislature in front of the victim's parents.
 
2014-01-18 07:26:00 AM  

profplump: Firethorn: You could probably take an unpowered drive and throw it across the room without damaging the platters.

Unpowered most drives will take about 300Gs without damage. A lot of them will take 100Gs will running.

The "glass" platters are mostly ceramic with just enough glass to make them smooth. And a lot of platters are still aluminum, at least in medium/low-speed, full-sized drives.

The advantage of glass is better dimensional stability (both with respect to motion and heat), and the substrate itself is cheaper. But it's a lot harder to apply the magnetic media, so processing costs are higher.


Interesting.
 
2014-01-18 07:36:13 AM  
say it with me kids: "I forgot the password".

/ Then you use the magnets to direct the $5 wrench away from your vital organs.
 
2014-01-18 07:39:26 AM  

gfid: log_jammin: Warlordtrooper: I have a major problem with the tampering with evidence charge. It's asinine and against all concept of property rights that if you own a piece if property those rights don't extend to the ability to destroy in

you're a libertarian aren't you?

I don't feel as strongly as the person you responded to, but it is kind of a bullshiat charge to throw at someone.  Of course you're supposed to hide, destroy obfuscate any evidence witness.  Criminals try to get away with crimes.

What next?  Tacking on a charge of not notifying a security guard at a bank that you had a gun before robbing it?


FTFY.
 
2014-01-18 08:21:09 AM  

TheOmni: I, like many totally normal people, have spent an entirely reasonable amount of time thinking about how I would go about doing illegal things, like building and maintaining a crystal methamphetamine trading company. Including various fail safes and the destruction of evidence in the evident of being caught. Never once did I consider powerful magnets in my shoes to attack a hard drive. So bonus points for imagination.


You've never watched breaking bad, have you?
 
2014-01-18 08:29:57 AM  

Warlordtrooper: I have a major problem with the tampering with evidence charge. It's asinine and against all concept of property rights that if you own a piece if property those rights don't extend to the ability to destroy in


You totally have that right.

They just have a separate right to imprison you for deliberately obstructing a lawful investigation of your crimes.
 
2014-01-18 09:17:47 AM  

ktybear: [the-gadgeteer.com image 172x226]


The old powerful magnet in the shoe trick.   Second time they fell for it this month!
 
2014-01-18 09:18:33 AM  
i.ebayimg.com
 
2014-01-18 09:25:08 AM  

Warlordtrooper: I have a major problem with the tampering with evidence charge. It's asinine and against all concept of property rights that if you own a piece if property those rights don't extend to the ability to destroy in


The 4th Amendment works both ways, you know.  If the cops have probable cause that you've committed a crime, enough to persuade a judge to issued them a warrant to go through your effects in search of evidence of that crime, and you start destroying said effects before they can finish their search, then you really can't claim "property rights" here.
 
2014-01-18 09:34:08 AM  

omnimancer28: farvour: What? No mention of how this idiot should have been using TrueCrypt?

Judge - Decrypt the contents of your computer for the police.
Defendant - Uh, no.
Judge - I sentence you to 30 days in jail for contempt.  In 30 days you can come back and I will ask again.
((repeat indefinitely))


I see you aren't familiar with distress partitions.
 
2014-01-18 09:48:23 AM  
Wang I know him!
He last true master of lost martial art of Hung Fu!

Perhaps he felt a deep need to teach the art, so
as to keep the tradition alive or something?

/no there is no bright side, I know
 
2014-01-18 09:51:13 AM  
Bad Karma: Wang-bang....
 
2014-01-18 10:07:39 AM  

fafaflunkie: Wang shoved his mother in front of the detective and ran toward his bedroom.

Not a very nice way to treat your mother.  Only she would love a face like this:



/Hope he likes the wang he's gonna be getting


Looks like all the other ones I've ever seen
 
2014-01-18 10:29:06 AM  

MrHappyRotter: Go ahead cops.  On my computer, you won't find a single porn: child, horse, clown or otherwise.


Sponge Knob Square Nuts.
 
2014-01-18 10:32:18 AM  
He has magnet shoes and his last name is Wang? Are we sure this isn't Data from The Goonies?
 
2014-01-18 10:35:51 AM  
There was an American sigint plane that was force landed in China a few years back, that had trouble destroying all of its drives in time. I've always wanted to see some of the cartoonish Rube Goldberg proposals that were sent to the DoD after that for quick and effective destruction.

...and then, the gorillas take the now-powdered metal and melt them into figurines...
 
2014-01-18 10:39:30 AM  
How is this headline not "police beat Wang to child porn".
 
2014-01-18 10:57:30 AM  

ladyfortuna: RKade: Megan's law is unconstitutional.

How so? Honestly asking.

I know it's been said in here that distributing copies doesn't make a victim 'more molested' or whatever... but increasing their notoriety can't be a good thing. Not to mention more variety feeds into the creeper's deviancy.


Denial of due process. It imposes a punishment outside the judicial process with no oversight. Also, the protection against "cruel and unusual punishment" was specifically intended to protect against pillorying (among other things) of which the sex-offender list is an extreme example.
 
2014-01-18 11:07:21 AM  

Tio_Holtzmann: RKade: ladyfortuna: RKade: Megan's law is unconstitutional.

How so? Honestly asking.

I know it's been said in here that distributing copies doesn't make a victim 'more molested' or whatever... but increasing their notoriety can't be a good thing. Not to mention more variety feeds into the creeper's deviancy.

Megan's Law, as it stands, doesn't let these people re-acclimate to society so they can move on after having served their time. My brother is on that list for life after some college party bullcrap with some lying 17 year old. 10 years later and he still doesn't have a job.

What would be the decent thing is to outlaw the public nature of it altogether but I've devised a plan to keep parents aware. 3 levels of sex offense. Rank one gets 5 years probation, counseling, and their name on the list until they complete counseling and probation... and also the original jail/prison This is for your circumstance stuff. One time kind of thing. Rank 2 would be all that +10 years on the list. This is your online-based stuff and your rape. Rank 3 is life on the list plus prison. This is for your serial predator-style sicko.

That way, you keep the farkups in check without ruining them for life and you keep the sickos where you can see them.

STOP BEING REASONABLE! THIS IS FARK! YOU'RE DESTROYING MY WILL TO LIVE! I HAVE CAPS LOCK!

But yeah, agreed. While there are degrees of sex crimes (like the college guy I worked with long ago who liked 13-14 year old girls) and degrees of jail time/punishment, that list seems like it will follow you forever. I don't really like that. But I don't make good newsclips like signing emotionally-driven legislature in front of the victim's parents.

Captain Dan: As a society, we still haven't found the best way to deal with child molesters/pedophiles.  On one hand, they're ticking time bombs and can't be allowed in society.  On the other hand, jailing them for life or killing them would waste a lot of human potential.
I think we should give them the options of (1) permanent, irreversible castration, along with re-entry into society, or (2) permanent relocation to a child-free island colony for pedophiles.



Not 100% effective. Too many stories of eunuchs "working" the harem. Here is a good podcast on the subject:  http://www.stuffyoushouldknow.com/podcasts/castration-works/
 
2014-01-18 11:08:32 AM  

omnimancer28: farvour: What? No mention of how this idiot should have been using TrueCrypt?

Judge - Decrypt the contents of your computer for the police.
Defendant - Uh, no.
Judge - I sentence you to 30 days in jail for contempt.  In 30 days you can come back and I will ask again.
((repeat indefinitely))


Would "pleading the Fifth" cover you against that?  It's kinda hard to say, but it seems if we really believed in not forcing people to incriminate themselves, it would.
 
2014-01-18 11:11:21 AM  

gfid: log_jammin: Warlordtrooper: I have a major problem with the tampering with evidence charge. It's asinine and against all concept of property rights that if you own a piece if property those rights don't extend to the ability to destroy in

you're a libertarian aren't you?

I don't feel as strongly as the person you responded to, but it is kind of a bullshiat charge to throw at someone.  Of course you're supposed to hide, destroy obfuscate any evidence.  Criminals try to get away with crimes.

What next?  Tacking on a charge of not notifying a security guard at a bank that you had a gun before robbing it?


Actually yes, not only would you be facing charges of armed robbery, but threatening with a weapon (whatever the applicable charge is) if they wanted to, as well.
 
2014-01-18 11:19:45 AM  

ladyfortuna: RKade: Megan's law is unconstitutional.
How so? Honestly asking.
I know it's been said in here that distributing copies doesn't make a victim 'more molested' or whatever... but increasing their notoriety can't be a good thing. Not to mention more variety feeds into the creeper's deviancy.


My take on it is that you are being punished beyond your jail time. It restricts rehabilitation on the premise that you "may" attack again. The way I look at it is that if the State thinks you "may" attack again then you should still be in prison. If you are released then you should be able to start over.

The big problem is the list. I can understand a parent wanting to know if there is a diddler in 3C. But if Sex Offender lists are OK then expand it to all felons. I wouldn't mind knowing if there is a murderer or drug lord nearby. Even a thief. Why can't I look on a list to see if my neighbor likes to take things that belong to others. I would take extra precautions.But his debt to society has been paid and he gets a chance to start his life over.
 
2014-01-18 12:08:58 PM  
images.lowes.com

Available at any hardware store. Just throw the HDD in a bucket with this.
 
2014-01-18 12:09:16 PM  
I think I see a way to make a destruct system that would be pretty reliable and yet wouldn't class as destroying evidence:

Get one of those fire-resistant boxes with a USB passthrough.  (They're meant to protect a HD in case of a fire.)  Put your drive in there with a thermite charge.  On top of it is a control device--enter a code to disarm it for a period of time.  There's also a photosensor that starts a timer that fires the charge if you don't disarm it in time.  Removing the control unit while it's armed fires the charge immediately.  Powering up the drive with the device armed fires the charge.

"Your honor, the destruct was intended to keep my enemies from stealing my ideas.  It had nothing to do with the cops."
 
2014-01-18 01:17:05 PM  
theawesomer.com

/frowns upon this name disparagement
 
2014-01-18 01:19:10 PM  

Oldiron_79: TheOmni: I, like many totally normal people, have spent an entirely reasonable amount of time thinking about how I would go about doing illegal things, like building and maintaining a crystal methamphetamine trading company. Including various fail safes and the destruction of evidence in the evident of being caught. Never once did I consider powerful magnets in my shoes to attack a hard drive. So bonus points for imagination.

I always thought thermite would be the best way to make sure "the man" would never be able to recover anything from your hard drive.


There is a separate charge for possession and use of thermite. Just buy a degaussing coil and set it up
 
2014-01-18 02:08:31 PM  

CygnusDarius: rewind2846: THIS^^. Wang will be getting plenty of wang in lockdown, but the real assholes are the "people" (this term used loosely) who created the stuff in the first place. They are the ones who molested these poor kids, and should get as much prison time as possible with a human lifetime. Fark it, bury them under the cell floor after they die.

Farking this!. I wouldn't mind drone strikes on pedophiles, but I fear the most dangerous ones have ties.


"...I wonder we haven't better company
Here on Tyburn Tree."

John Gay
The Beggar's Opera
 
2014-01-18 03:06:39 PM  

fusillade762: Warlordtrooper: I have a major problem with the tampering with evidence charge. It's asinine and against all concept of property rights that if you own a piece if property those rights don't extend to the ability to destroy in

Even if you commit a crime with it? Come now, would you really be OK with someone destroying a murder weapon?


If police have identified something as evidence of a crime, and put it down as a matter of record in a warrant, it ought to become evidence tampering if you dispose/destroy something after being served said warrant.
 
2014-01-18 03:30:27 PM  

hardinparamedic: See, this is why you use the local MRI machine. It'll erase anything.

And as an added bonus, you can turn your witnesses against you into chunky salsa, and make it look like an accident!

For added terror, that is an acetylene tank that was rocketed across the room by the magnet in the machine.


http://youtu.be/6BBx8BwLhqg
 
2014-01-18 05:32:54 PM  
Wang's a dick.
 
2014-01-18 05:42:17 PM  

Gyrfalcon: If you have evidence on your computer the cops really really want, they can get it whether you cooperate by "decrypting" it or not. EnCase or Norton Forensics will defeat most basic decryption that your average mook will have on his porn stash. If you're a big-time hacker, no doubt you have better encryption, in which case it will be the feds going after you, and they will have the time and NSA tools to crack whatever it is they really really want. They only want YOU to decrypt it because they're lazy and because it proves beyond a reasonable doubt that it was you who encrypted it in the first place.

If you've got that kind of weirdo shiat on your computer and the Feds really are after you, the only hope you have is to reformat or physically destroy the drives. Now I know there are technogeeks here on Fark who will dispute this; but from a lawyer standpoint, your drive contents are evidence, and if the prosecutor needs what's on it to indict you and they have the drive, they WILL find a way to get the information off of it. That said, what the hell do you have on your hard drive that needs that kind of encryption, Mr. Putin?


I'm not sure this is true. Joseph Duncan is one of the more notorious child predator/murderers in recent times. In the Joseph Duncan case, it was reported that he had encryted files which have never been decrypted. He refused to give his password, he was already facing life in prison so nothing to lose. Sorry, don't have the source for this, just going from 3 or 4 year old memory.
 
2014-01-18 05:50:09 PM  

bugcrusher: Sharing images keeps alive the market. These guys are sick, and should get harsh sentences for exploiting the vulnerable.


Not necessarily. There is the possibility that the assholes that take these pictures and videos do it not because there's a "market" (as in money), but just because they are sick f*ckers. The fact that they share the stuff is just extra.
There's also the possibility that in this age of digital photography, where the idea of sending film away to be developed and possibly seen by someone else is no longer a reality, that the people who want this material will instead want to produce it themselves rather than find it online. This may result in a LOT more abuse.

There will always be people who want this stuff. What we have to concentrate on more are the people who make it... dry up the supply by busting the actual exploiters. Get the big fish, and the little fish stay in their caves.
 
2014-01-18 06:26:47 PM  
Wanna erase a drive? Hit it with an arc welder.
 
2014-01-18 07:08:07 PM  
Don't download kiddie porn you idiot.  Besides, magnets in your shoes are bad for your feet.
 
2014-01-18 07:10:16 PM  

CygnusDarius: From the comments:

I'm absolutely shocked that liberal Rutgers expelled him!!! Wasn't he just looking at art or something? doesn't he have the right to.......................................................whatever? We need as a society to accept those that are different from us! How was he hurting anyone by viewing images? Especially in the privacy of his own home? Who are we to judge??? lol Rutgers has an ethical standard???? You learn something new everyday!

I'm guessing a troll?.


Looks like a bitter ABD who failed to finish his thesis.
 
2014-01-18 11:05:05 PM  

AcademGreen: They are spinning glass platters.  Just drop 'em


Data can still be pulled off. A friend used to work for the company that recovered data from the Columbia space shuttle's hard drives. That, to me, is pretty impressive. I'd be jockeying for a job at the place except I'd have to move to frickin' Minneapolis.
 
2014-01-18 11:11:22 PM  

Asa Phelps: yeah, uh, static magnetic fields won't erase stuff that way.

I've got a bulk eraser from the 60's that was used to wipe reel-to-reel tape. I have used it to demagnetize a hammer. I'm not certain it would erase a hard drive.


It probably won't. I worked for a plant that shut down and we needed to destroy the information on quite a few hard drives. I got the idea to run them through the industrial bulk tape eraser that we had. (We had at one time produced commercial cassette tapes.) After running a number of the drives through the eraser, I tested a couple and found the data still intact. The cases of the drives are magnetically shielded. We had to get an eraser program and erase the drives one by one.
 
2014-01-19 12:05:53 AM  

The_Philosopher_King: I think we should give them the options of (1) permanent, irreversible castration, along with re-entry into society, or (2) permanent relocation to a child-free island colony for pedophiles.


I'm not down with castrating every 16 year old that got caught banging his 14 year old girlfriend.

\Glad it's been over thirty years since I was 16.
 
2014-01-19 01:03:03 AM  

TheOmni: I, like many totally normal people, have spent an entirely reasonable amount of time thinking about how I would go about doing illegal things, like building and maintaining a crystal methamphetamine trading company. Including various fail safes and the destruction of evidence in the evident of being caught. Never once did I consider powerful magnets in my shoes to attack a hard drive. So bonus points for imagination.


maybe he could have just hopped in the back.... and on the ride, texted mom to take the laptop and put it in the storm drain.

of course, most moms would have just said.. "Good to see you son.  I worry about you Cum Wang, why you want get rid of laptop.  That waste of money.  I do you favor and let you think it over."
 
2014-01-19 01:04:05 AM  
The funny part would be if he had a MacBook Air with SSD.
 
2014-01-19 08:45:14 AM  

gibbon1: The_Philosopher_King: I think we should give them the options of (1) permanent, irreversible castration, along with re-entry into society, or (2) permanent relocation to a child-free island colony for pedophiles.
I'm not down with castrating every 16 year old that got caught banging his 14 year old girlfriend.
\Glad it's been over thirty years since I was 16.



That is not what I said, that is what I answered. Watch how and who you quote. That was Captain Dan who advocated castration
 
2014-01-19 09:47:10 AM  

nymersic: Would "pleading the Fifth" cover you against that?  It's kinda hard to say, but it seems if we really believed in not forcing people to incriminate themselves, it would.



The ability to use the 5th Amendment depends entirely upon the knowledge of what information police are seeking for an investigation.

Example A: the police are investigating you for tax irregularities and they are seeking financial documents that you store in a safe.  If the investigators already have reasonable knowledge that the papers in that safe are what they are after, you can be compelled to provide the key or combination to that safe because the act of producing the key to the safe is not incriminating you (it is merely giving investigators access to documents they already know exists).

Example B: the police are investigating you for tax irregularities and they are seeking financial documents that you store on an encrypted USB drive.  If the investigators *DON'T* know that those documents are on the USB drive then you cannot be compelled to decrypt simply because the 0 and 1 bits on the drive could be random data or data unrelated to financial documents.


Thus the police have to be able to articulate to a judge exactly what they are seeking and how they know it is inside a safe, or on a computer drive.  If they can't make the case to a judge then you might be able to use the 5th Amendment.  Label your encrypted partition child porn storage as "Gilligan's Island reruns" so you can at least attempt to argue to a judge that the information on that drive isn't relevant to the investigation.
 
2014-01-19 12:18:35 PM  
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