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2014-01-18 01:00:47 AM
Ordinary magnets CAN mess up your computer if you're dumb enough to, say, stick one on the side to hold notes in place; or, like a place where I used to work, you leave the hard drive on the floor and the janitors vacuum with one of those vacuum cleaners that have the magnets on the front to pick up paper clips and whatnot and they keep bumping into it. Not surprisingly, that computer was constantly crashing, having corrupt data, I was always having to reload programs; till finally we threw the whole mess away. Of course it was a 386 and that was in the Olden Days.

To erase the porn off your computer, probably you'd be better to inject the thing with battery acid.
 
2014-01-18 01:01:25 AM

you are a puppet: [themaindamie.files.wordpress.com image 500x375]


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2014-01-18 01:02:07 AM
When Wang thinks with the wrong wang, Wang be in trouble

/wang
 
2014-01-18 01:02:07 AM

Warlordtrooper: I have a major problem with the tampering with evidence charge. It's asinine and against all concept of property rights that if you own a piece if property those rights don't extend to the ability to destroy in


How do you propose police collect evidence, by asking nicely?
 
2014-01-18 01:04:15 AM

Gyrfalcon: or, like a place where I used to work, you leave the hard drive on the floor and the janitors vacuum with one of those vacuum cleaners that have the magnets on the front to pick up paper clips and whatnot and they keep bumping into it.


Honestly? The electric motor is going to generate orders of magnitude stronger electric fields than any magnets on the front. They just don't pick up the paper clips because the fields are continuously in flux: Much worse for picking stuff up, much better for erasing hard drives.
 
2014-01-18 01:06:27 AM
Hmm, maybe I'll start selling my "PC Self-Destruct" tools...
 
2014-01-18 01:14:59 AM
What? No mention of how this idiot should have been using TrueCrypt?
 
2014-01-18 01:15:08 AM

Oldiron_79: I always thought thermite would be the best way to make sure "the man" would never be able to recover anything from your hard drive.


They either already have you under surveillance or they don't.  If they do, they probably already have the contents of your hard drive.  If they don't, you're probably safe just throwing that hard drive in the trash bin at your local 7-11 or gas station or wherever.  Nobody's going to find it and decide to go to the trouble of seeing what's on it.  It's just trash at that point.

I mean I hope so anyway.
 
2014-01-18 01:16:59 AM

twistedmetal: I have a feeling, he's going to see a lot of wang in prison.


Came for the wang joke.  TYVM.
 
2014-01-18 01:19:35 AM

gfid: Oldiron_79: I always thought thermite would be the best way to make sure "the man" would never be able to recover anything from your hard drive.

They either already have you under surveillance or they don't.  If they do, they probably already have the contents of your hard drive.  If they don't, you're probably safe just throwing that hard drive in the trash bin at your local 7-11 or gas station or wherever.  Nobody's going to find it and decide to go to the trouble of seeing what's on it.  It's just trash at that point.

I mean I hope so anyway.


Usually the kind of people who get in trouble for kiddie porn aren't going to know they're being watched until after it's too late to dump the computer. Hackers and assorted other criminals are usually too dumb to know when they should get out and wait too long.
 
2014-01-18 01:26:40 AM

ladyfortuna: RKade: Megan's law is unconstitutional.

How so? Honestly asking.

I know it's been said in here that distributing copies doesn't make a victim 'more molested' or whatever... but increasing their notoriety can't be a good thing. Not to mention more variety feeds into the creeper's deviancy.


Megan's Law, as it stands, doesn't let these people re-acclimate to society so they can move on after having served their time. My brother is on that list for life after some college party bullcrap with some lying 17 year old. 10 years later and he still doesn't have a job.

What would be the decent thing is to outlaw the public nature of it altogether but I've devised a plan to keep parents aware. 3 levels of sex offense. Rank one gets 5 years probation, counseling, and their name on the list until they complete counseling and probation... and also the original jail/prison This is for your circumstance stuff. One time kind of thing. Rank 2 would be all that +10 years on the list. This is your online-based stuff and your rape. Rank 3 is life on the list plus prison. This is for your serial predator-style sicko.

That way, you keep the farkups in check without ruining them for life and you keep the sickos where you can see them.
 
2014-01-18 01:28:32 AM

farvour: What? No mention of how this idiot should have been using TrueCrypt?


Judge - Decrypt the contents of your computer for the police.
Defendant - Uh, no.
Judge - I sentence you to 30 days in jail for contempt.  In 30 days you can come back and I will ask again.
((repeat indefinitely))
 
2014-01-18 01:29:42 AM
They did this on Law & Order one time. Sneaky dude had some electromagnetic field in his doorway, when they took out the 'puter, it allegedly wiped it clean.

A neat trick for a TV script, anyhow.
 
2014-01-18 01:30:12 AM
Actually, sticking a drive in a self cleaning oven might do it, if it can reach the Curie point...
 
2014-01-18 01:31:11 AM

omnimancer28: farvour: What? No mention of how this idiot should have been using TrueCrypt?

Judge - Decrypt the contents of your computer for the police.
Defendant - Uh, no.
Judge - I sentence you to 30 days in jail for contempt.  In 30 days you can come back and I will ask again.
((repeat indefinitely))


Exactly.
 
2014-01-18 01:41:49 AM

sheep snorter: Thermite that computer drive.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-ckechIqW0

/House fire optional


I was hoping that was the thermite scene from Conspiracy Theory. Sadly, it was not.
 
2014-01-18 01:47:47 AM

Asa Phelps: yeah, uh, static magnetic fields won't erase stuff that way.

I've got a bulk eraser from the 60's that was used to wipe reel-to-reel tape. I have used it to demagnetize a hammer. I'm not certain it would erase a hard drive.


Absolutely not. You'd think their'd be warnings on the HDD label about magnetic fields, but I've never seen a single one. At the bit-level, the HDD write head puts out a pretty high magnetic flux, (at least with GMR heads) way higher than permanent magnets put out. To destroy the data like that you'd need a superconducting magnet, or at least a Bitter core and a really big capacitor.

/Or something solid to hit the drive and break the platters...
//A hammer would have helped the kid out better than some magnets.
 
2014-01-18 01:50:02 AM
Has anybody considereded microwaving  a hard drive? Not the same technology, of course, but a microwave oven sure does entertaining things to CDs.
 
2014-01-18 01:53:45 AM

Satanic_Hamster: CygnusDarius: From the comments:

I'm absolutely shocked that liberal Rutgers expelled him!!! Wasn't he just looking at art or something? doesn't he have the right to.......................................................whatever? We need as a society to accept those that are different from us! How was he hurting anyone by viewing images? Especially in the privacy of his own home? Who are we to judge??? lol Rutgers has an ethical standard???? You learn something new everyday!

I'm guessing a troll?.

Or crazy retard.

Also from the comments:
Briar Patch9 hours ago200 images of child porn and three years in jail.The sentence doesn't seem to fit the crime. Those children will be scarred for life.


I don't think Briar Patch realizes how computers work.  They don't molest a kid and then send a single image to him.  Sharing the images doesn't cause the kid to be more molested.


Sharing images keeps alive the market. These guys are sick, and should get harsh sentences for exploiting the vulnerable.
 
2014-01-18 02:03:55 AM

omnimancer28: farvour: What? No mention of how this idiot should have been using TrueCrypt?

Judge - Decrypt the contents of your computer for the police.
Defendant - Uh, no.
Judge - I sentence you to 30 days in jail for contempt.  In 30 days you can come back and I will ask again.
((repeat indefinitely))


Can't you claim you forgot the decrpytion key? That is something they can't disprove, and if you are truthful, it is literally impossible for you to comply. Or was that overturned last year? I recall something about that but I don't remember the details.

So I guess this is the part about how the idiot should of been using TrueCrypt with a hidden partition. Then he could comply, and reveal nothing.
 
2014-01-18 02:05:48 AM

Warlordtrooper: I have a major problem with the tampering with evidence charge. It's asinine and against all concept of property rights that if you own a piece if property those rights don't extend to the ability to destroy in


you're a libertarian aren't you?
 
2014-01-18 02:16:45 AM
farking shoe magnets, how do they

No, too easy. How about some shoe mirrors instead?

i1.ytimg.com
 
2014-01-18 02:26:12 AM
Degaussers for modern hard drives are readily-available.  The problem with rigging a deadman switch sort of arrangement is that to do a good job of degaussing a drive, the machine has to be relatively big.  Google disk degaussers sometime.  They're about the size of a full-sized computer tower and about twice as heavy.  They're also rather pricey.  To use one, you turn it on and insert the drive you want to destroy.  The erasure takes a split second, but it takes a minute for the machine to charge the capacitors that take up most of the room in the degausser's chassis.  There are seriously deadly currents in these things, so I don't recommend hacking them.
 
2014-01-18 02:43:46 AM
Wonder if the cops found any of Wang's Dang Doodle on the hard drive?
forums.finalgear.com
 
2014-01-18 02:46:11 AM

log_jammin: Warlordtrooper: I have a major problem with the tampering with evidence charge. It's asinine and against all concept of property rights that if you own a piece if property those rights don't extend to the ability to destroy in

you're a libertarian aren't you?


I don't feel as strongly as the person you responded to, but it is kind of a bullshiat charge to throw at someone.  Of course you're supposed to hide, destroy obfuscate any evidence.  Criminals try to get away with crimes.

What next?  Tacking on a charge of not notifying a security guard at a bank that you had a gun before robbing it?
 
2014-01-18 02:52:57 AM

forgotmydamnusername: Has anybody considereded microwaving  a hard drive? Not the same technology, of course, but a microwave oven sure does entertaining things to CDs.


Won't do a thing. The shell forms a Faraday cage.
 
2014-01-18 02:53:03 AM
As a society, we still haven't found the best way to deal with child molesters/pedophiles.  On one hand, they're ticking time bombs and can't be allowed in society.  On the other hand, jailing them for life or killing them would waste a lot of human potential.

I think we should give them the options of (1) permanent, irreversible castration, along with re-entry into society, or (2) permanent relocation to a child-free island colony for pedophiles.
 
2014-01-18 02:56:31 AM

gfid: I don't feel as strongly as the person you responded to, but it is kind of a bullshiat charge to throw at someone.   Of course you're supposed to hide, destroy obfuscate any evidence.  Criminals try to get away with crimes.


and of course cops are supposed to find that evidence. cops try to find those who have committed crimes.

gfid: What next?  Tacking on a charge of not notifying a security guard at a bank that you had a gun before robbing it?


yeah. that doesn't make any sense.
 
2014-01-18 03:07:56 AM

TheOmni: I, like many totally normal people, have spent an entirely reasonable amount of time thinking about how I would go about doing illegal things, like building and maintaining a crystal methamphetamine trading company. Including various fail safes and the destruction of evidence in the evident of being caught. Never once did I consider powerful magnets in my shoes to attack a hard drive. So bonus points for imagination.


Given that I actually have a degausser at work, I know what it takes to successfully wipe a modern HD.  Approximately 200 pounds of magnets(or almost as much in capacitors), and that's with it completely out of the computer, stripped of any rails and other protective covers other than the bare case.

I'd go with a encrypted file secured by a encryption certificate stored on a device that's designed to wipe said key if it's tampered with or even just given the wrong passcode too many times(or an alert one).  Better yet, 'flip panel open, push button to erase'.

Oldiron_79: I always thought thermite would be the best way to make sure "the man" would never be able to recover anything from your hard drive.


Works more ways than one.  Besides the physical destruction, any parts of the platter heated past it's Curie point will lose the magnetic information.  There has actually been work on using lasers to help write data to hard drives because around curie temperature magnetic fields are also much easier to set.  As a bonus, nobody *sane* is going to attempt to save the evidence by reaching in, like what you see in movies with fireplaces.

Just keep in mind that for minor crimes the penalty for destruction of evidence will be larger than the penalty for the crime, and with bigger crimes can actually be used as evidence against you(why bother to destroy evidence unless it's incriminating?)

omnimancer28: farvour: What? No mention of how this idiot should have been using TrueCrypt?

Judge - Decrypt the contents of your computer for the police.
Defendant - Uh, no.
Judge - I sentence you to 30 days in jail for contempt.  In 30 days you can come back and I will ask again.
((repeat indefinitely))



It's actually happened, but in general I'd be going with 'Your honor, I forgot the passcode for that HD some time ago; just hadn't gotten around to reformating it', or 'During the investigation the officers formatted the bloody drive; contents are now unretrievable, I'm suing for loss of my records...'.
 
2014-01-18 03:23:04 AM
At that point the police had all the evidence and they were hoping he'd do something stupid like this so he couldn't claim he was bot farmed. I'm sure they had his entire drive cloned and sitting in evidence rendering any thermite or degaussing interventions moot.
 
2014-01-18 03:26:43 AM

Ed Grubermann: forgotmydamnusername: Has anybody considereded microwaving  a hard drive? Not the same technology, of course, but a microwave oven sure does entertaining things to CDs.

Won't do a thing. The shell forms a Faraday cage.


I believe that, but I wonder how the drive would fare in the face of a raging bonfire.

I said BONFIRE, damn it. Minds out of the gutter, if you please.
 
2014-01-18 03:32:49 AM
If you have evidence on your computer the cops really really want, they can get it whether you cooperate by "decrypting" it or not. EnCase or Norton Forensics will defeat most basic decryption that your average mook will have on his porn stash. If you're a big-time hacker, no doubt you have better encryption, in which case it will be the feds going after you, and they will have the time and NSA tools to crack whatever it is they really really want. They only want YOU to decrypt it because they're lazy and because it proves beyond a reasonable doubt that it was you who encrypted it in the first place.

If you've got that kind of weirdo shiat on your computer and the Feds really are after you, the only hope you have is to reformat or physically destroy the drives. Now I know there are technogeeks here on Fark who will dispute this; but from a lawyer standpoint, your drive contents are evidence, and if the prosecutor needs what's on it to indict you and they have the drive, they WILL find a way to get the information off of it. That said, what the hell do you have on your hard drive that needs that kind of encryption, Mr. Putin?
 
2014-01-18 03:47:41 AM

Gyrfalcon: That said, what the hell do you have on your hard drive that needs that kind of encryption, Mr. Putin?


Emma Stone porn.
 
2014-01-18 03:57:32 AM
Could an old MRI machine be used as a hard drive degausser?
 
2014-01-18 03:59:50 AM

labman: Yeah, because hard drives don't already have powerful magnets in them. You'd need a degauser to kill a drive quickly. (Or submerge it in water while its running)


Oh man, you have NO IDEA what you are talking about.  I just thought I'd let everyone else know.

Water will not effect the data on the hard drive one bit (or byte).  It will effect the hard drive's capability of functioning normally, but anyone that cares to can still recover every bit of data from the platter.

As to the magnets, a decently strong magnet will in fact "erase" the hard drive.  If you can get it close enough.  Which is actually the key bit here.  Even a fairly weak magnet will destroy a hard drive platter if it's touching it.  But only where it touches, and a few cm around that area.  So then you need a bigger magnet to really get the job done.  And it still has to nearly touch the platter.

Magnetic force falls with the square of distance.  Meaning the distance between the platter and the casing makes a pretty farking huge difference.

Yes, a degauser will work, maybe.  Since they were designed for use on floppy disks, and they were intended to wipe the disk, not destroy it, the chances are it won't actually be strong enough to wipe the drive.

GUIDE: Take copper core wire (not strand wire, 20-8 gauge core wire).  Wrap it around your hard drive tightly, as many times as you can.  Use hot glue to keep it there.  Plug it into a camera flash module from a disposable camera.  When the cops show up to collect your computer, press the button.  Then you only go to jail for destruction of evidence.
 
2014-01-18 04:02:56 AM
See, this is why you use the local MRI machine. It'll erase anything.

And as an added bonus, you can turn your witnesses against you into chunky salsa, and make it look like an accident!

www.simplyphysics.com

For added terror, that is an acetylene tank that was rocketed across the room by the magnet in the machine.
 
2014-01-18 04:12:44 AM
3 years is a rather European sentence if I may say though. Especially since the guy wasn't just consumer but seeder of the child porn it seems.
 
2014-01-18 04:16:15 AM

hardinparamedic: See, this is why you use the local MRI machine. It'll erase anything.


Dammit!  I just let my last one go at the yard sale last weekend.
 
2014-01-18 04:24:39 AM
with hard drive data
that is no longer wanted
zero fill it nine
 
2014-01-18 04:28:14 AM
Pfft! Amatuer!

*If* I was going to download & distribute child pornography, I would program a dead-man's mechanism so that if I didn't check in periodically with a code, the data would self-destroy. I tell ya, today's child pornographers have no foresight whatsoever. What IS the world coming to?
 
2014-01-18 04:32:02 AM
the-gadgeteer.com
 
2014-01-18 04:41:16 AM

omnimancer28: farvour: What? No mention of how this idiot should have been using TrueCrypt?

Judge - Decrypt the contents of your computer for the police.
Defendant - Uh, no.
Judge - I sentence you to 30 days in jail for contempt.  In 30 days you can come back and I will ask again.
((repeat indefinitely))


I'm sorry your honor but that large file (TrueCrypt volume in a file) is just some stuff I downloaded ages ago . See , it's labeled 'compressed linux source code and binaries / experimental'. The file must be corrupted if you can't unpack it
 
2014-01-18 04:45:07 AM

MrHappyRotter: Go ahead cops.  On my computer, you won't find a single porn: child, horse, clown or otherwise.



You'll get it back a year later, most likely damaged.
 
2014-01-18 04:55:54 AM
If I did it:

1. TrueCrypt with renamed executable, installation path and changed icon
2. AES-Twofish-Serpent encryption with Whirlpool hash algorithm
3. Two-level volume partitioning using a hidden volume: creates a deniable file system

Or of course you know, you could also just not be a f*cking pervert. Just sayin.
 
2014-01-18 04:59:12 AM

Kahabut: Yes, a degauser will work, maybe. Since they were designed for use on floppy disks, and they were intended to wipe the disk, not destroy it, the chances are it won't actually be strong enough to wipe the drive.


THat depends on the degausser, this one is designed for HD's too:
localherodesign.com

Please note that it's ~5' tall, weighs over 400 pounds, and takes 40 seconds to erase a HD.
 
2014-01-18 05:04:41 AM

Firethorn: Kahabut: Yes, a degauser will work, maybe. Since they were designed for use on floppy disks, and they were intended to wipe the disk, not destroy it, the chances are it won't actually be strong enough to wipe the drive.

THat depends on the degausser, this one is designed for HD's too:
[localherodesign.com image 500x315]

Please note that it's ~5' tall, weighs over 400 pounds, and takes 40 seconds to erase a HD.


I chuckled.

/FYI: Interest\experience in data security doesn't make you a Chris Hansen target.
 
2014-01-18 05:08:24 AM

Stephen_Falken: If I did it:

1. TrueCrypt with renamed executable, installation path and changed icon
2. AES-Twofish-Serpent encryption with Whirlpool hash algorithm
3. Two-level volume partitioning using a hidden volume: creates a deniable file system

Or of course you know, you could also just not be a f*cking pervert. Just sayin.



I encrypted my drives after reading about Homeland security/border agents trolling through people's storage devices on fishing expeditions.  Oddly, the 'worst' they'll find is my video collection, and even then they're simply regular movies/tv shows.
 
2014-01-18 05:09:38 AM
Most modern hdd are glas disks so just flapping hit it...
 
2014-01-18 05:41:18 AM

IsNoGood: Most modern hdd are glas disks so just flapping hit it...


They have about as much in common with ordinary glass as 'gorilla' glass does.  You could probably take an unpowered drive and throw it across the room without damaging the platters.
 
2014-01-18 06:16:55 AM

Firethorn: You could probably take an unpowered drive and throw it across the room without damaging the platters.


Unpowered most drives will take about 300Gs without damage. A lot of them will take 100Gs will running.

The "glass" platters are mostly ceramic with just enough glass to make them smooth. And a lot of platters are still aluminum, at least in medium/low-speed, full-sized drives.

The advantage of glass is better dimensional stability (both with respect to motion and heat), and the substrate itself is cheaper. But it's a lot harder to apply the magnetic media, so processing costs are higher.
 
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