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(Al Jazeera)   America will drive off a broken bridge if its crumbling infrastructure is not funded soon   (america.aljazeera.com) divider line 102
    More: Obvious, Highway Trust Fund, infrastructure, financing, public parks, United States, Earl Blumenauer, American Society of Civil Engineers, American Automobile Association  
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2014-01-17 04:39:39 PM  
Someone's going to have to start paying taxes
 
2014-01-17 04:50:04 PM  
Wait, I thought that Obama fixed this?  DOT TIGER team signs up around my town.  Biden was in charge of the recovery.
 
2014-01-17 05:04:12 PM  
spending taxpayer money on infrastructure in iraq: FREEDOM SPENDING
spending taxpayer money on infrastructure in USA: SOCIALISM
 
2014-01-17 05:09:46 PM  
Thanks GOPers. Farking vermin
 
2014-01-17 05:10:13 PM  
If we could get Boomers to pay back into the system we'd be set.
 
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2014-01-17 05:14:49 PM  

netizencain: Wait, I thought that Obama fixed this?  DOT TIGER team signs up around my town.  Biden was in charge of the recovery.


They should have funded it out of their own pockets.  Especially Obama, he wrote a book so he must have billions.
 
2014-01-17 05:17:17 PM  

JerkyMeat: Thanks GOPers. Farking vermin


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close your mouth when you eat
 
2014-01-17 05:17:32 PM  
Has anyone considered making building bridges and repairing dams a military operation?

Cuz they're pretty well-funded and they have the manpower and nobody on either side of the aisle has a problem allocating a few more trillion dollars to the military budget.
 
2014-01-17 05:19:13 PM  
them Al Jazeera terrorists just want us to build new things so they can knock 'em down.
no wai. sorry buddies but we are wize to your plans, we know your tricks.
 
2014-01-17 05:20:04 PM  

netizencain: Wait, I thought that Obama fixed this?  DOT TIGER team signs up around my town.  Biden was in charge of the recovery.


Weirdly, we have way more than $300 million in infrastructure improvements that need to be done.
 
2014-01-17 05:20:33 PM  
Start a lottery where none of the money goes where it's suppose to.
 
2014-01-17 05:23:05 PM  
Fark that, the Job Creators will have their own private airfields where they can fly over all those crumbling bridges, subby. Just because you're too lazy or too much of a moocher to earn your way to the good life doesn't mean you can steal other people's money.
 
2014-01-17 05:23:19 PM  
They probably could have covered Ohio and Kentucky's Non-federally backed dollars for the 71/75 bridge in what they wasted on Paul Brown stadium alone.


They want to make the new bridge toll.. of course they do.

Oh, and while they are doing that...

upload.wikimedia.org

The hell of justice is falling apart
 
2014-01-17 05:24:04 PM  
Hell of justice?

Well .. Ok .. that works too I guess
 
2014-01-17 05:25:03 PM  

Bill_Wick's_Friend: Has anyone considered making building bridges and repairing dams a military operation?

Cuz they're pretty well-funded and they have the manpower and nobody on either side of the aisle has a problem allocating a few more trillion dollars to the military budget.


Because that's not in the constitution?
 
2014-01-17 05:25:04 PM  
We live in a democracy, that means it's only important when enough people think it is important, or to put it another way:
 after a few more major bridge collapses and perhaps an engaging story of a child trapped under all the debris, the masses will howl for blood and something finally maybe will get done.
That or Glen Beck and Rush Limburger will blame Obama and it will be forgotten while everyone blames everyone else.
 
2014-01-17 05:26:03 PM  

Bill_Wick's_Friend: Has anyone considered making building bridges and repairing dams a military operation?

Cuz they're pretty well-funded and they have the manpower and nobody on either side of the aisle has a problem allocating a few more trillion dollars to the military budget.


The Army Corps of Engineers built a bunch of flood control projects in the 50s.  They can probably slap together a new bridge in their sleep.

Of course, that was back in the days when Americans actually made things, so the skills may have atrophied.
 
2014-01-17 05:26:41 PM  

netizencain: Wait, I thought that Obama fixed this?  DOT TIGER team signs up around my town.  Biden was in charge of the recovery.


That was only a small dent in the amount of infrastructure upgrading we really need to do.

But our area got a brand new highway out of the Stimulus so it wasn't too shabby at all.
 
2014-01-17 05:29:29 PM  

Bill_Wick's_Friend: Has anyone considered making building bridges and repairing dams a military operation?

Cuz they're pretty well-funded and they have the manpower and nobody on either side of the aisle has a problem allocating a few more trillion dollars to the military budget.


The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers:
-Is the Nation's number one federal provider of outdoor recreation.
-Is the Nation's environmental engineer.
-Owns and operates more than 600 dams.
-Operates and maintains 12,000 miles of commercial inland navigation channels.
-Dredges more than 200 million cubic yards of construction and maintenance dredge material annually.
-Maintains 926 coastal, Great Lakes and inland harbors.
-Restores, creates, enhances or preserves tens of thousands of acres of wetlands annually under the Corps' Regulatory Program.
-Provides a total water supply storage capacity of 329.2 million acre-feet in major Corps lakes.
-Owns and operates 24 percent of the U.S. hydropower capacity or 3 percent of the total U.S. electric capacity.
-Supports Army and Air Force installations.
-Provides technical and construction support to more than 100 countries.
-Manages an Army military construction program between 2006 and 2013 totaling approximately $44.6 billion - the largest construction effort since World War II.
-Researches and develops technologies to protect the nation's environment and enhance quality of life.

reference:  http://www.usace.army.mil/Missions.aspx
 
2014-01-17 05:29:58 PM  
It's almost as if we've been pissing away billions and billions on endless unnecessary wars for over a decade.
 
2014-01-17 05:29:59 PM  

unlikely: Someone's going to have to start paying taxes


Just a thought, how about we tax those with the money?
Yes, I heard that all that money just fell out of the boots with the straps.
I also heard it was the Tooth Fairy.
Don't care.
 
2014-01-17 05:30:04 PM  

Bill_Wick's_Friend: Has anyone considered making building bridges and repairing dams a military operation?

Cuz they're pretty well-funded and they have the manpower and nobody on either side of the aisle has a problem allocating a few more trillion dollars to the military budget.


The unions would sue.
 
2014-01-17 05:31:01 PM  

doublesecretprobation: It's almost as if we've been pissing away billions and billions on endless unnecessary wars for over a decade.


Try 5 decades.
 
2014-01-17 05:31:26 PM  

JerkyMeat: Thanks GOPers. Farking vermin


Right. Because the GOP were the ones complaining that those "shovel-ready jobs" rebuilding our infrastructure would go disproportionately to "white male construction workers."

Oh, wait. That was Robert Reich. And NOW. And Feminist Majority. And a bunch of other hard-core lefties.

If you want to blame someone, blame your liberal friends. Because they're the ones actually at fault.
 
2014-01-17 05:32:49 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: netizencain: Wait, I thought that Obama fixed this?  DOT TIGER team signs up around my town.  Biden was in charge of the recovery.

Weirdly, we have way more than $300 million in infrastructure improvements that need to be done.


No kidding. 300 million barely covers planning efforts these days.
 
2014-01-17 05:33:09 PM  
Dear everyone who thought it was a good idea to spend 6 trillion dollars on two wars, fark you. Just imagine everyone if we had invested that money in our infastructure, or science, or both. Nope, not as important as getting a boner from blowing up brown people or whatever it is that people on the right find so appealing about war.
 
2014-01-17 05:35:15 PM  

JerkyMeat: Thanks GOPers. Farking vermin


Riiiiiight because the dimocrats who would rather spend the infrastructure monies on crack nubians on welfare are 100% blameless
 
2014-01-17 05:35:42 PM  

bbfreak: Dear everyone who thought it was a good idea to spend 6 trillion dollars on two wars, fark you. Just imagine everyone if we had invested that money in our infastructure, or science, or both. Nope, not as important as getting a boner from blowing up brown people or whatever it is that people on the right find so appealing about war.


It was "invested" in oil.
So we have that going for us.
Which is farked, 'cause the oil companies are not sharing.
 
2014-01-17 05:35:58 PM  

bbfreak: Dear everyone who thought it was a good idea to spend 6 trillion dollars on two wars, fark you. Just imagine everyone if we had invested that money in our infastructure, or science, or both. Nope, not as important as getting a boner from blowing up brown people or whatever it is that people on the right find so appealing about war.


yes, imagine the Nirvana where all the money blown on wars would certainly have been spent wisely, right?  Like it was done in the halcyon, non-pork years before that, right?  Your faith in Congress is as refreshing as it is naive.
 
2014-01-17 05:38:47 PM  

Oldiron_79: JerkyMeat: Thanks GOPers. Farking vermin

Riiiiiight because the dimocrats who would rather spend the infrastructure monies on crack nubians on welfare are 100% blameless


Both of you trolls, and I mean that with all due respect, could expend your energies directing attention to the Dividers and Conquerers that are peddling the GOP?DFL Poison Kool-Aid.
 
2014-01-17 05:39:09 PM  

Torqueknot: We live in a democracy, that means it's only important when enough people think it is important


Nope. We live in a democratically elected republic. We elect representation who we feel will have views that will best serve our interests.

Unfortunately, somewhere along the way, we've turned our system into a government that is more closely represented by corporations than by individual citizens.
 
2014-01-17 05:40:50 PM  
And I hope the bus that goes off it is a bunch of Tea Partiers on their way to an ignorant rabble-rouser convention.
 
2014-01-17 05:41:16 PM  
I put this solely on the farking Baby Boomers. Those leaches didn't put a dime back into infrastructure for decades, and now serve as the basis of the god damn teabaggers that fight tooth and nail against every single tax increase to pay for shiat. Frankly, the sooner they die off, the better.
 
2014-01-17 05:41:37 PM  
"Sugar is good for you"
-Ad paid for by cane growers of America
 
2014-01-17 05:42:13 PM  

Molavian: If we could get Boomers to pay back into the system we'd be set.



This.


FlashHarry: spending taxpayer money on infrastructure in iraq: FREEDOM SPENDING
spending taxpayer money on infrastructure in USA: SOCIALISM


Totally this!

JerkyMeat: Thanks GOPers. Farking vermin


Farkin' this!
 
2014-01-17 05:42:51 PM  
http://didattica.unibocconi.it/mypage/upload/49430_20111107_060417_PU B LICINVESTMENTREV.PDF

/good to help you sleep at night but will also inform you in this discussion
 
2014-01-17 05:44:24 PM  
Every couple of years they trot out a multi-hundred billion dollar infrastructure bill. What happened to all that money?
 
2014-01-17 05:45:29 PM  
My home state is trying to replace a four lane floating bridge built back in '63 with a new six lane floating bridge.  Inflation adjusted, the new bridge will cost over ten times as much as the original bridge.

Most people seem to be onboard with replacing infrastructure, until they start seeing the bill.  The costs of doing work (adjusted for inflation) seems to be significantly higher than what it would have cost 50 years ago.  Granted, bridges these days are much more structurally sound, but how much extra did the improved materials and engineering work actually cost?

I'd really like to know if labor and material costs have skyrocketed that much, or if regulation has now made it to where an army of consultants and engineers are needed to deal with hundreds of bits of red tape.
 
2014-01-17 05:45:39 PM  
The disingenuous bullshiatting in this thread is farking hilarious. None of you Fark Independents wanted to spend money on infrastructure back in 2009. I was there, I remember it well. The GOP completely monkeywrenched the stimulus because they wanted to extend the recession. And when the stimulus actually passed you were all mealy-mouthing about nothing being "shovel-ready" and hahaha wasn't it a huge boondoggle. Well, I've said it before, and I'll say it again: it's not my fault you live in states that pissed away the stimulus. During 2009 and 2010 I travelled throughout New England and every single state was repaving highways, reconstructing bridges, and actually putting shovels to work. I got a rationalized intersection, new sidewalks, and flood controls right near my house. I was completely satisfied with what my tax dollars bought.

Now I come into this thread and I hear the exact same voices claiming that the Democrats were against spending on infrastructure because of reasons and the Feminazis stopped money from being spent because white guyz and welfare cheats stole all the bridge money for their Obamaphones. What EVER. Kindly go fark yourselves with a cactus, kthxbye.
 
2014-01-17 05:45:59 PM  

MrSteve007: Torqueknot: We live in a democracy, that means it's only important when enough people think it is important

Nope. We live in a democratically elected republic. We elect representation who we feel will have views that will best serve our interests.

Unfortunately, somewhere along the way, we've turned our system into a government that is more closely represented by corporations than by individual citizens.


Surely the answer is for an even greater concentration of power to the federal state. That could never backfire thank god the D.C. metro area is full of poor people and not the primary example of money following power.
 
2014-01-17 05:47:57 PM  

DrPainMD: Every couple of years they trot out a multi-hundred billion dollar infrastructure bill. What happened to all that money?


Look at any government infrastructure project. It is always double the cost and five times the length compared to the bid.
 
2014-01-17 05:49:07 PM  

theorellior: The disingenuous bullshiatting in this thread is farking hilarious. None of you Fark Independents wanted to spend money on infrastructure back in 2009. I was there, I remember it well. The GOP completely monkeywrenched the stimulus because they wanted to extend the recession. And when the stimulus actually passed you were all mealy-mouthing about nothing being "shovel-ready" and hahaha wasn't it a huge boondoggle. Well, I've said it before, and I'll say it again: it's not my fault you live in states that pissed away the stimulus. During 2009 and 2010 I travelled throughout New England and every single state was repaving highways, reconstructing bridges, and actually putting shovels to work. I got a rationalized intersection, new sidewalks, and flood controls right near my house. I was completely satisfied with what my tax dollars bought.

Now I come into this thread and I hear the exact same voices claiming that the Democrats were against spending on infrastructure because of reasons and the Feminazis stopped money from being spent because white guyz and welfare cheats stole all the bridge money for their Obamaphones. What EVER. Kindly go fark yourselves with a cactus, kthxbye.


that's quite the poutrage in a thread where most people agree with you.
 
2014-01-17 05:50:48 PM  
is this the thread where sad-sack mopes try to assign some sort of actual conscious intent on the part of demographic groupings as though those groupings were sentient entities?


the boomer has no conscience, the boomer never sleeps, the boomer slapped yo big-ass momma, the boomer took your lunch money


/pathetic wretches
 
2014-01-17 05:53:49 PM  

letrole: is this the thread where sad-sack mopes try to assign some sort of actual conscious intent on the part of demographic groupings as though those groupings were sentient entities?


No this is the thread where Mr. Le Trole tries to be edgy and provocative.
 
2014-01-17 05:53:52 PM  

Dinjiin: My home state is trying to replace a four lane floating bridge built back in '63 with a new six lane floating bridge.  Inflation adjusted, the new bridge will cost over ten times as much as the original bridge.

Most people seem to be onboard with replacing infrastructure, until they start seeing the bill.  The costs of doing work (adjusted for inflation) seems to be significantly higher than what it would have cost 50 years ago.  Granted, bridges these days are much more structurally sound, but how much extra did the improved materials and engineering work actually cost?

I'd really like to know if labor and material costs have skyrocketed that much, or if regulation has now made it to where an army of consultants and engineers are needed to deal with hundreds of bits of red tape.


My uninformed opinion tells me it is the latter.

/Damn hippies and their EPA
 
2014-01-17 05:54:10 PM  

DrPainMD: Every couple of years they trot out a multi-hundred billion dollar infrastructure bill. What happened to all that money?


Government Math.
It was spent.
Move along.
 
2014-01-17 05:55:04 PM  

johnny_vegas: that's quite the poutrage in a thread where most people agree with you.


Looking back over the thread, I was talking pretty much to you, Sparky. Choose an especially large cactus.
 
2014-01-17 05:59:01 PM  

theorellior: johnny_vegas: that's quite the poutrage in a thread where most people agree with you.

Looking back over the thread, I was talking pretty much to you, Sparky. Choose an especially large cactus.


Sparky!!!!

so you diasgreed with the link i provided showing a study on infrastructure? Or with the mission of the Army Corps of Engineers or are you white-knighting Jerky Meat?

or did you just want to show off to anyone in the thread that you were actually right for once?  Surprised everyone that knows you i am sure.
 
2014-01-17 06:02:54 PM  

technoblogical: Bill_Wick's_Friend: Has anyone considered making building bridges and repairing dams a military operation?

Cuz they're pretty well-funded and they have the manpower and nobody on either side of the aisle has a problem allocating a few more trillion dollars to the military budget.

Because that's not in the constitution?


The United States Army Corps of Engineers frowns on your shenanigan.

George Washington appointed the first engineer officers of the Army on June 16, 1775, during the American Revolution, and engineers have served in combat in all subsequent American wars. The Army established the Corps of Engineers as a separate, permanent branch on March 16, 1802, and gave the engineers responsibility for founding and operating the U.S. Military Academy at West Point.

Since then the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers has responded to changing defense requirements and played an integral part in the development of the country. Throughout the 19th century, the Corps built coastal fortifications, surveyed roads and canals, eliminated navigational hazards, explored and mapped the Western frontier, and constructed buildings and monuments in the Nation's capital.

From the beginning, many politicians wanted the Corps to contribute to both military construction and works "of a civil nature." Throughout the 19th century, the Corps supervised the construction of coastal fortifications and mapped much of the American West with the Corps of Topographical Engineers, which enjoyed a separate existence for 25 years (1838-1863). The Corps of Engineers also constructed lighthouses, helped develop jetties and piers for harbors, and carefully mapped the navigation channels.


Oh, and  Article I, Section 8
...   for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings
 
2014-01-17 06:03:28 PM  

snocone: Just a thought, how about we tax those with the money?


Why do you hate America?
 
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