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(The Raw Story)   Idaho Lawmaker tries to block bill that would require parents to get medical treatment for sick kids instead of relying on prayer because ""This is.., the belief God is in charge of whether they live, and God is in charge of whether they die"   (rawstory.com) divider line 66
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2014-01-17 01:30:51 PM
10 votes:
If they believe in God and that God is SO in control of everything, how can they not believe that he gave people the knowledge and ability to practice medicine and save lives? There's such a huge disconnect there.
2014-01-17 01:47:01 PM
5 votes:
No matter one's personal theology or lack thereof I think we all can agree that anyone who lets a child die of a treatable disease or injury will end up getting booked for the next thousand forevers in the suite by the poorly-maintained elevator in the wing of Hell Towers where the Rebecca Black concert never ends, the TV is permanently tuned to the Small Wonder marathon, the kitchen is out of everything but the Danny DeVito Anus Pie and the duodecahedron-penised rapenocerous just downed a Chevy-Tahoe-sized meth-and-Cialis capsule.
2014-01-17 01:23:42 PM
5 votes:
We have come a long way.  It wasn't long ago that Darwin was the enemy, now they're embracing him and introducing legislation to help him continue his fine work of filtering the gene pool.
2014-01-17 02:22:14 PM
4 votes:

NeoAnderthal: try that link again

http://www.wisn.com/news/south-east-wisconsin/milwaukee/debate-conti nu es-over-cosleeping-deaths-in-milwaukee/-/10148890/22124556/-/12l57ny/- /index.html


You, Sir, are a buffoon among imbeciles. A dunce among dumbasses.
2014-01-17 01:59:52 PM
4 votes:
The immediate rejoinder to that line of asinine thinking is:  "If God chooses whether or not we die, then explain how a God who claims to be compassionate and loving took over a dozen kids at Sandy Hook, execution-style.  What lesson should we all be taking from that?  Go on, we'll wait here for your answer."
2014-01-17 01:50:30 PM
4 votes:

NeoAnderthal: try that link again

http://www.wisn.com/news/south-east-wisconsin/milwaukee/debate-conti nu es-over-cosleeping-deaths-in-milwaukee/-/10148890/22124556/-/12l57ny/- /index.html


So...your argument is that accidental deaths due to co-sleeping, is the same as willful neglect? And somehow, the liberals are to blame?

We're you dropped on your head?
2014-01-17 01:37:34 PM
4 votes:

serpent_sky: If they believe in God and that God is SO in control of everything, how can they not believe that he gave people the knowledge and ability to practice medicine and save lives? There's such a huge disconnect there.


Right? Either God has absolute control over everything and you shouldn't be wearing clothes or driving, or he gave people intelligence and the ability to better themselves and their fellow humans, therefore; medicine.

It's like these people just hate their children and want them to die miserably of preventable diseases.
2014-01-17 04:10:22 PM
3 votes:

EggSniper: The first amendment trumps any logical or scientific argument against people's 'right' to exercise their religion.  Unless and until a law declares that medicine and those that practice it (doctors) can accurately determine the lethality of a condition you're not going to be able to charge people with a crime when they let someone die of a disease.


And no one is asking for that, in the case of ADULTS.

But kids also have rights, including the right to life and the right to practice their own religion, which might differ from that of their parents.

So an argument can be (and very often is) made that the state has a role in ensuring a kid isn't killed by his parents' beliefs before he has the chance to enjoy his own rights as an adult.

If you want to practice faith healing only on yourself, or if you want to practice faith healing only for other ADULT members of your family (who theoretically are remaining with you of their own free will) you're 100% free to do so.

But you don't own your kids.  They are citizens in their own right and thus the state has an interest - because your kids, as citizens, have a relationship with the state that doesn't pass through you.
2014-01-17 03:18:16 PM
3 votes:

NeoAnderthal: Democrats only care about this story because of the religious implications. They don't care so much about dead children. There are plenty of cases to point that out.

cosleeping-deaths-in-milwaukee

No charges, ever.


Sorry everyone in this tread is calling you names. Either way, as the article says, they have made co-sleeping while intoxicated a criminal act.
Either way to quote another article
These soft objects, which can cause the infant to accidentally suffocate, are present in about 80% of all unsafe-sleep-related infant deaths in Milwaukee and are present in 100% of cases when an infant is placed in an adult bed.

The risk/danger is soft pillows placed around the baby. The same soft pillows are also dangerous inside a crib. Parents aren't rolling over and crushing their kids, they are stupidy placing pillows around the kid thinking its protecting them.  This is an education thing, not a refusal over a long period of time to do the right thing and rejecting it out of some warped belief.
2014-01-17 03:05:27 PM
3 votes:
"This is about religious beliefs illogical superstition, the belief God is in charge of whether they live, and God is in charge of whether they die,"

FTFY
2014-01-17 01:48:47 PM
3 votes:
Trust in God, but take your kids to the farking Doctor.
2014-01-17 01:46:56 PM
3 votes:
He MIGHT have a point in the proposed law violating the religious liberty of the parents. He has NO case in objecting to the law because it "opposes God."
2014-01-17 01:35:00 PM
3 votes:
Rep. Perry, please step out in front of a speeding bus. By your reasoning, if God wants you to live, it won't hurt you.
2014-01-17 01:26:41 PM
3 votes:
A Republican lawmaker in Idaho is trying to stop a law aimed at preventing the deaths of children whose parents eschew medical treatment in favor of prayer. The Associated Press reportedthat state Rep. Christy Perry (R) believes that a law proposed by Democratic Rep. John Gannon violates religious freedom of families who believe God's will supercedes modern medicine.

Um

Gannon proposed the law after a string of deaths in Marsing, Idaho among the congregation of the Followers of Christ church. Autopsy reports of multiple children showed that their deaths could have been prevented by medical intervention. Instead, their bodies now lie in a cemetery overlooking the Snake River.

Next time you hear a 'pro lifer' argue, point that person to this article. Pro life? Hardly.
2014-01-17 05:15:51 PM
2 votes:

Nadie_AZ: A Republican lawmaker in Idaho is trying to stop a law aimed at preventing the deaths of children whose parents eschew medical treatment in favor of prayer. The Associated Press reportedthat state Rep. Christy Perry (R) believes that a law proposed by Democratic Rep. John Gannon violates religious freedom of families who believe God's will supercedes modern medicine.

Um

Gannon proposed the law after a string of deaths in Marsing, Idaho among the congregation of the Followers of Christ church. Autopsy reports of multiple children showed that their deaths could have been prevented by medical intervention. Instead, their bodies now lie in a cemetery overlooking the Snake River.

Next time you hear a 'pro lifer' argue, point that person to this article. Pro life? Hardly.


Reminds me of this flood parable I heard in Bible learnin' school:

A man was trapped in his house during a flood. He began praying to God to rescue him. He had a vision in his head of God's hand reaching down from heaven and lifting him to safety. The water started to rise in his house. His neighbour urged him to leave and offered him a ride to safety. The man yelled back, "I am waiting for God to save me." The neighbour drove off in his pick-up truck.

The man continued to pray and hold on to his vision. As the water began rising in his house, he had to climb up to the roof. A boat came by with some people heading for safe ground. They yelled at the man to grab a rope they were ready to throw and take him to safety. He told them that he was waiting for God to save him. They shook their heads and moved on.

The man continued to pray, believing with all his heart that he would be saved by God. The flood waters continued to rise. A helicopter flew by and a voice came over a loudspeaker offering to lower a ladder and take him off the roof. The man waved the helicopter away, shouting back that he was waiting for God to save him. The helicopter left. The flooding water came over the roof and caught him up and swept him away. He drowned.

When he reached heaven and asked, "God, why did you not save me? I believed in you with all my heart. Why did you let me drown?" God replied, "I sent you a pick-up truck, a boat and a helicopter and you refused all of them. What else could I possibly do for you?"
2014-01-17 04:21:59 PM
2 votes:
Is it God's will that someone die? Or was he testing those around them to see if they'd do the right thing? Is it the right thing to stand by and do nothing while another suffers? Because if God created everything then he also created medicine to heal the sick in which case it was meant to be used.
2014-01-17 04:16:13 PM
2 votes:

itazurakko: EggSniper: The first amendment trumps any logical or scientific argument against people's 'right' to exercise their religion.  Unless and until a law declares that medicine and those that practice it (doctors) can accurately determine the lethality of a condition you're not going to be able to charge people with a crime when they let someone die of a disease.

And no one is asking for that, in the case of ADULTS.

But kids also have rights, including the right to life and the right to practice their own religion, which might differ from that of their parents.

So an argument can be (and very often is) made that the state has a role in ensuring a kid isn't killed by his parents' beliefs before he has the chance to enjoy his own rights as an adult.

If you want to practice faith healing only on yourself, or if you want to practice faith healing only for other ADULT members of your family (who theoretically are remaining with you of their own free will) you're 100% free to do so.

But you don't own your kids.  They are citizens in their own right and thus the state has an interest - because your kids, as citizens, have a relationship with the state that doesn't pass through you.


This is exactly what they think, and why child abuse laws were very difficult (and still are in many cases) to institute and enforce.  For every kid whose family is unfairly targeted, there are hundreds of parents who are allowed to continue to beat their kids up.  I used to have a case of a teenager whose parents figured out if they hit her around the head and didn't touch her face, she didn't have visible bruises and I wouldn't report them.  Unluckily for them I touched her head and she winced.  These parents do not see their children as individual beings with their own rights, and that is triply true amongst very religious families.
2014-01-17 04:09:22 PM
2 votes:

Janusdog: Which God is an asshole? They tend to confuse the Old Testament God and the New Testament God and pick and choose which attitude God has based on whether they personally agree with the situation. So he's Old Testament God when we're talking about teh gayz but he's New Testament Hippie God when he supposedly supports the people who are agreeing with you.


I've said it before and I'll say it again.... for a bunch of people calling themselves Christians, they sure do seem to spend a lot of time screaming passages from ancient Jewish and Samaritan books at people...
2014-01-17 04:03:38 PM
2 votes:

OgreMagi: Grand_Moff_Joseph: The immediate rejoinder to that line of asinine thinking is:  "If God chooses whether or not we die, then explain how a God who claims to be compassionate and loving took over a dozen kids at Sandy Hook, execution-style.  What lesson should we all be taking from that?  Go on, we'll wait here for your answer."

Because god is an asshole.


Which God is an asshole?  They tend to confuse the Old Testament God and the New Testament God and pick and choose which attitude God has based on whether they personally agree with the situation.  So he's Old Testament God when we're talking about teh gayz but he's New Testament Hippie God when he supposedly supports the people who are agreeing with you.
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2014-01-17 03:34:46 PM
2 votes:
Benjamin Franklin took a lot of flack from some of the fundies of his era, who said using a lightning rod to protect a house from damage circumvented God's will.  We haven't progressed at all from the 1700s.
2014-01-17 03:28:01 PM
2 votes:
You people are missing it.  This has nothing to do with actual religion, and everything to do with control.  These people are control freaks.  Medicine scares and intimidates them; prayer they can control.
2014-01-17 03:02:34 PM
2 votes:

Bermuda59: Yet the GOP is against abortion


There was literally a GOP state congressperson who was anti-abortion, but pro filicide for disobedience.  The hypocrisy well of abortion is deeper than the Pacific.
2014-01-17 03:01:11 PM
2 votes:

OgreMagi: Grand_Moff_Joseph: The immediate rejoinder to that line of asinine thinking is:  "If God chooses whether or not we die, then explain how a God who claims to be compassionate and loving took over a dozen kids at Sandy Hook, execution-style.  What lesson should we all be taking from that?  Go on, we'll wait here for your answer."

Because god is an asshole.


If people would read their Old Testament they would be pretty clear on this fact.
2014-01-17 02:59:17 PM
2 votes:
Yet the GOP is against abortion
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2014-01-17 02:58:03 PM
2 votes:
stop electing idiots.
2014-01-17 02:57:15 PM
2 votes:
Pray for your own health and Darwin-like consequences are acceptable but making your children suffer and die for your beliefs not so acceptable.
2014-01-17 02:32:12 PM
2 votes:

Mr. Coffee Nerves: No matter one's personal theology or lack thereof I think we all can agree that anyone who lets a child die of a treatable disease or injury will end up getting booked for the next thousand forevers in the suite by the poorly-maintained elevator in the wing of Hell Towers where the Rebecca Black concert never ends, the TV is permanently tuned to the Small Wonder marathon, the kitchen is out of everything but the Danny DeVito Anus Pie and the duodecahedron-penised rapenocerous just downed a Chevy-Tahoe-sized meth-and-Cialis capsule.


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2014-01-17 02:27:05 PM
2 votes:

serpent_sky: If they believe in God and that God is SO in control of everything, how can they not believe that he gave people the knowledge and ability to practice medicine and save lives? There's such a huge disconnect there.


 I have made that precise argument to more than one hardcore evangelical in a mostly vain attempt to convince them that Science and Christianity are in no way incompatible and in fact Western science was developed BECAUSE of Christianity*. I point out that when Jesus prophesier in Matthew 17:
These signs will accompany those who have believed: in My name they will cast out demons, they will speak with new tongues;  18they will pick up serpents, and if they drink any deadly poison, it will not hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover."

That this was NOT as the "Snake Handlers" would have it, a magical grant of power, but a foretelling of the wonders that science would eventually bring. as we can do all those things now thanks to science.

To see the hand of God in all creation EXCEPT modern medicine is deeply irrational to me,   It reminds me of the old joke about the preacher and the flood:


It was flooding in California. As the flood waters were rising, a pastor was on the stoop of his church and another man in a row boat came by. The man in the row boat told the preacher  to get in and he'd save him. The Preacher   said:
"no, I havefaith in God and I know he will provide".

 The flood waters kept rising and the preacher had to go to the choir loft of the church. A man in a motor boat came by and told the preacher to get in because he had come to rescue him. The preacher said "no thank you. My faith is strong and I trust in god to rescue me"

 The flood waters kept rising. Pretty soon they were up to the steeple of theChurch and thepreacher was left clinging to it for dear life.  A helicopter then came by, lowered a rope and the pilot shouted down in  to climb up the rope because thehelicopter had come to rescue him.

The preacher refused, saying God was testing him but his faith wasunshakable and he knew god would save him.  The flood waters kept rising and preacher  drowned. When he got to heaven, he asked God where he went wrong. He told God that he had perfect faith in Him,  So why had God had let him drown?

God says to the man
"What more do you want from me?, I sent you two boats and a helicopter."


*(Monotheism is somewhat pre-requisite to believing that universe in the world operate in a rational, predictable and repeatable.   Unless you believe that god is irrational or psychotic, you will assume that there is a rational pattern to his actions, searching after those "natural laws" by Aquinas and others led to the development of the logical tools that became the, eventually, the scientific method)
2014-01-17 01:45:03 PM
2 votes:
i wonder what this asshole's views on sharia law are.
2014-01-17 01:34:33 PM
2 votes:
"Only God is in control of whether we live or die. Now, if you'll excuse me, my constituents need MOAR GUNS."
2014-01-17 01:33:23 PM
2 votes:
Rep. Perry, do you think a man should have the same privilege as a sponge?
2014-01-17 04:38:50 PM
1 votes:

Janusdog: itazurakko: EggSniper: The first amendment trumps any logical or scientific argument against people's 'right' to exercise their religion.  Unless and until a law declares that medicine and those that practice it (doctors) can accurately determine the lethality of a condition you're not going to be able to charge people with a crime when they let someone die of a disease.

And no one is asking for that, in the case of ADULTS.

But kids also have rights, including the right to life and the right to practice their own religion, which might differ from that of their parents.

So an argument can be (and very often is) made that the state has a role in ensuring a kid isn't killed by his parents' beliefs before he has the chance to enjoy his own rights as an adult.

If you want to practice faith healing only on yourself, or if you want to practice faith healing only for other ADULT members of your family (who theoretically are remaining with you of their own free will) you're 100% free to do so.

But you don't own your kids.  They are citizens in their own right and thus the state has an interest - because your kids, as citizens, have a relationship with the state that doesn't pass through you.

This is exactly what they think, and why child abuse laws were very difficult (and still are in many cases) to institute and enforce.   For every kid whose family is unfairly targeted, there are hundreds of parents who are allowed to continue to beat their kids up.  I used to have a case of a teenager whose parents figured out if they hit her around the head and didn't touch her face, she didn't have visible bruises and I wouldn't report them.  Unluckily for them I touched her head and she winced.  These parents do not see their children as individual beings with their own rights, and that is triply true amongst very religious families.


^THIS to the eleventy!!

Also unfair: Asking the kid, who is regularly abused and threatened daily, to report the abuse, or otherwise doing nothing about it.

/survived
2014-01-17 04:25:24 PM
1 votes:

tlars699: skozlaw: Religious rights, like all other rights, are not absolute and they can and should be curtailed in an appropriate manner when you begin to exercise them in ways that endanger others or otherwise impede others' rights.

This is not debatable.

blindio: So they believe in a god that is not powerful enough to call people to paradise if they're on antibiotics?


Sounds legit.

People who use medicine are evil and therefore going to hell so why would god be calling them up?

QED logic-guy. Q. E. To the motherfarking D.

I always see this as Quit and Eat Dinner, as that's what my math professors always said it was. The fark is it supposed to really mean?


Quod Erat Demonstrandum - That which was to have been demonstrated.

It's a gerundive - they are one of my favorite things.
2014-01-17 04:17:14 PM
1 votes:

Havokmon: NeoAnderthal: Democrats only care about this story because of the religious implications. They don't care so much about dead children. There are plenty of cases to point that out.

cosleeping-deaths-in-milwaukee

No charges, ever.

Nor should there ever be.  'CoSleeping': The latest made-up threat by the people who brought you exploding toothpaste.


Co- Sleeping can be done safely, but unfortunately for the poor population in Milwaukee, where there is not enough room in the apt for all of the apt's inhabitants, they usually don't have the means to do so safely, or to arrange it in any other way.
I want to know if he's willing to pay for the housing of these people, so the babies can sleep safely.
2014-01-17 04:13:12 PM
1 votes:

Nadie_AZ: Next time you hear a 'pro lifer' argue, point that person to this article. Pro life? Hardly.


clancifer: "Only God is in control of whether we live or die. Now, if you'll excuse me, my constituents need MOAR GUNS."


FlashHarry: i wonder what this asshole's views on sharia law are.


hungryhungryhorus: It's true, sometimes children are taken by preventable diseases like Measles, other times it's by mentally disturbed teens with access to rifles.  It's Gods will.  There's nothing that can be done about it.


Wow, Fark is really bringing on the stupid on a Friday. So far, we've managed to take a story about a single Republican state lawmaker being opposed to a law that is designed to deal with a tiny fringe group of religious nutbars to rant about abortion, gun control, anti-vaccers, and sharia law. Is there anything else you guys want to throw out there? I haven't seen anything about tax cuts or Obamacare yet. I'm sure there are a few other things that we can use this story as an excuse to mock.

Oh, and just for fun, there was one teeny, tiny detail that was in the original story that was linked in the article but that was somehow forgotten by the author of this fantastic example of journalistic integrity:

But Rep. Rich Wills, R-Glenns Ferry and chairman of the House Judiciary Committee where Gannon's bill could be introduced, said he is willing to consider updating faith-healing exemptions.
"I'm concerned any parent would put their religious beliefs ahead of child welfare," Will said. "It just stuns me."
2014-01-17 04:13:01 PM
1 votes:

centrifugal bumblepuppy: [wp.patheos.com.s3.amazonaws.com image 550x458]


At last count, employees who work for the First Church of Christ, Science in Boston (known as 'The Mother Church' to CS's) have health care coverage like anyone else regardless of whether the employees are Christian Scientists or not. I've not seen a single story about a Christian Scientist arguing they shouldn't have to provide medical coverage for any of their employees, though I'll not begin to claim that none will- there are extremist dumbasses in every faith. Most CS's I know want a religious exception to the ACA for relying on religious care vs. medical, but are perfectly fine with the idea of everyone else having medical coverage- and roll their eyes at the response from our local US Representative (a Republican) who in response to asking if he'd support such an exception essentially said that the best way to solve our problem was if he voted to repeal the whole thing.

As to the child skinning their knee and the parents complaining about a band aid? Something tells me those parents would have been livid about things regardless of whether they were Christian Scientists or not. My family had plenty of band aids in the house when I was growing up- like most kids, I tended to get scraped up a good bit and when that happened it got washed off and a band aid slapped on it.
2014-01-17 04:01:50 PM
1 votes:
Abortions are god's will too, you know.
2014-01-17 04:01:49 PM
1 votes:

serpent_sky: If they believe in God and that God is SO in control of everything, how can they not believe that he gave people the knowledge and ability to practice medicine and save lives? There's such a huge disconnect there.


I'm not sure pointing out the massive amount of cognitive dissonance or religious people is going to help.  These are people that base major portions of their life on a book written by Arabs more than 2000 years ago.  The book is mostly about god killing people in horrible ways, after facing them with dilemmas that had no actual reason to exist, besides god wanting to play with his toys.
2014-01-17 03:45:43 PM
1 votes:
CSB;
I was a lifeguard for several years, and I remember distinctly two occurrences where THESE people were involved:

1) A child in a summer camp was running on the deck and ended up skinning their knee. Nothing outrageous. Put a band aid on and that was that. Within the next few days our manager had to explain that the childs' parent was livid as they were Christian Scientists. Ended up going no where as the parents of the child signed papers in order to put the child into camp, and etc, But that was the first time I'd heard of it. Late 90's

2) I wasn't there that day, but a little Vietnamese man was choking on something at our snack bar. When another patron tried to embrace him for the Heimlich, he freaked apparently and started throwing bows. He ended up throwing up on the deck and left in a big huffy.

I worked with one for two years. He got the flu but refused all forms of meds and was out for almost 2 weeks. Came back like 30 lbs lighter.

NTTAWW their lifestyle, But these people are shiatballs insane.
2014-01-17 03:42:03 PM
1 votes:
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2014-01-17 03:40:25 PM
1 votes:

Mad Scientist: Benjamin Franklin took a lot of flack from some of the fundies of his era, who said using a lightning rod to protect a house from damage circumvented God's will.  We haven't progressed at all from the 1700s.


SOME of us haven't. I'd say the fact that so many people pop out of the woodwork to taunt and mock these backwards, cave-dwelling, kid-killing farks when these stories creep up is pretty solid evidence that we've advanced as a whole.

This is an issue, after all, of the majority attempting to protect the children of the minority. You'll never meet a completely sensible religious person, but as religious people go, you'll rarely meet one as stupid as these scumbags anymore.
2014-01-17 03:40:22 PM
1 votes:

Tigger: Terrible Old Man: Not a christian, but even I know that their bible says "Faith without works is dead."

By all means, pray for the kids and sick, but that doesn't mean you should _only_ pray, you're supposed to do everything else you can too, fool.

Technically speaking that's a Catholic point of view. Luther's doctrine of "faith alone" is what drives most non-Catholic theology

one specific aspect of non-Catholic soteriology, and has no relevance for whether or not sick people go to a doctor.

FTFY.  Lutherans (along with 99.999% of other Protestants) have no problem with medicine.

/neither Lutheran nor Catholic
2014-01-17 03:27:14 PM
1 votes:
Religious rights, like all other rights, are not absolute and they can and should be curtailed in an appropriate manner when you begin to exercise them in ways that endanger others or otherwise impede others' rights.

This is not debatable.

blindio: So they believe in a god that is not powerful enough to call people to paradise if they're on antibiotics?


Sounds legit.


People who use medicine are evil and therefore going to hell so why would god be calling them up?

QED logic-guy. Q. E. To the motherfarking D.
2014-01-17 03:20:38 PM
1 votes:
So they believe in a god that is not powerful enough to call people to paradise if they're on antibiotics?


Sounds legit.
2014-01-17 03:17:28 PM
1 votes:

Delawheredad: He MIGHT have a point in the proposed law violating the religious liberty of the parents.


Just as homicide laws violate the religious liberty of islamic parents who claim that their religion requires them to honor-kill their daughters.

Neither will the government let me build a wicker statue, stuff it full of my enemies, and set it on fire.
2014-01-17 03:16:55 PM
1 votes:
The fault, my dear Brutus, lies not in our stars but in our Legislatures.
2014-01-17 03:14:08 PM
1 votes:
2014-01-17 03:11:47 PM
1 votes:

Tricky Chicken: Tigger: Tricky Chicken: Well, this could only serve to strengthen the gene pool in the long term. Stupid people letting their kids die and all.

The difference being that a child cannot consent to being a morally bankrupt subhuman shiatstain. An adult conservative like this guy can.

Sadly though, the child carries the stupid gene through no fault of its own. And while repugnant, the stupid parent letting the child die in turn lessens its own detrimental impact on the gene pool. It would be best if the child had never been born, but I'm going to go out on a limb and assume that these same people are against reproductive rights.


I would say we let it go until they are 21 then just give them a brief test, say, "Is the earth 6,000 years old or a bit more than that" and just shoot the ones that get it wrong on the spot. That way we've given every kid a fair chance but we've also got rid of our country's biggest problem all in one go.
2014-01-17 03:10:44 PM
1 votes:
Let me guess - the claim is it violates religious freedom.

state Rep. Christy Perry (R) believes that a law proposed by Democratic Rep. John Gannon violates religious freedom of families who believe God's will supercedes modern medicine.

Yup.

Asshole.

/something something, 1 Timothy 2:12
2014-01-17 03:10:05 PM
1 votes:

serpent_sky: If they believe in God and that God is SO in control of everything, how can they not believe that he gave people the knowledge and ability to practice medicine and save lives? There's such a huge disconnect there.


Exactly.
When does God's will end?
Did the bystander giving CPR to a child hit by a car interfere with the master plan?
If that is the case, then why have life saving measures in place anywhere?

"Well, it was their time to go, put down the fire hose."
2014-01-17 03:09:27 PM
1 votes:

Bermuda59: Yet the GOP is against abortion


Well... you can't neglect a fetus the same way you can neglect a sick kid...
2014-01-17 03:03:12 PM
1 votes:
The willingness of Christians to ensure their neighbors die of medical neglect is astounding. I would love to be there to hear them explain it all to Jesus.
2014-01-17 03:01:08 PM
1 votes:
The next time a kid dies or suffers permanent damage as a result of their dumbshiat parents believing invisible magic would save their crotchfruit, send HIM to jail alongside the parents. It's only fair.
2014-01-17 02:58:39 PM
1 votes:
Oregon just said fark it, passed the law change, and started charge these parents with neglect.

We had something like 10 kids die in 2 years due to this neglect.
2014-01-17 02:58:00 PM
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Grand_Moff_Joseph: The immediate rejoinder to that line of asinine thinking is:  "If God chooses whether or not we die, then explain how a God who claims to be compassionate and loving took over a dozen kids at Sandy Hook, execution-style.  What lesson should we all be taking from that?  Go on, we'll wait here for your answer."


Because god is an asshole.
2014-01-17 02:57:30 PM
1 votes:
"Pro-Life"
2014-01-17 02:54:39 PM
1 votes:
Because what God loves is dead babies.  How many "Christians" are aware that they're actually worshiping Nurgle?
2014-01-17 02:53:38 PM
1 votes:
biglegalmessrecords.com

"Didn't  mean to kill him. I just shot him. Him dying was between him and the Almighty."
2014-01-17 02:18:38 PM
1 votes:
Best quote on this topic ever "God is my co-pilot, but science is my mechanic"


Can remember where I got that.
2014-01-17 02:00:18 PM
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what_now: NeoAnderthal: try that link again

http://www.wisn.com/news/south-east-wisconsin/milwaukee/debate-conti nu es-over-cosleeping-deaths-in-milwaukee/-/10148890/22124556/-/12l57ny/- /index.html

So...your argument is that accidental deaths due to co-sleeping, is the same as willful neglect? And somehow, the liberals are to blame?

We're you dropped on your head?



Daily. And still.
2014-01-17 02:00:06 PM
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NeoAnderthal: try that link again

http://www.wisn.com/news/south-east-wisconsin/milwaukee/debate-conti nu es-over-cosleeping-deaths-in-milwaukee/-/10148890/22124556/-/12l57ny/- /index.html


Who are the "liberals" in that story?
2014-01-17 01:54:08 PM
1 votes:
Take the sick kids to the hospital and their mentally ill parents to the looney bin.
2014-01-17 01:53:31 PM
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what_now: We're you dropped on your head?


Lot's of childhood maladies, if not treated properly and in a timely manner, can cause irreparable brain damage if the child survives.

Just saying.
2014-01-17 01:51:28 PM
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Calmamity: It's like these people just hate their children and want them to die miserably of preventable diseases.


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If you're down the "God will cure all my ailments" path, you've probably long passed the "We'll just fark a lot and however many kids we get, we get" signpost as well.

Plus, you know....kid dies? Lots of free covered dishes from the neighbors!
2014-01-17 01:40:52 PM
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Calmamity: serpent_sky: If they believe in God and that God is SO in control of everything, how can they not believe that he gave people the knowledge and ability to practice medicine and save lives? There's such a huge disconnect there.

Right? Either God has absolute control over everything and you shouldn't be wearing clothes or driving, or he gave people intelligence and the ability to better themselves and their fellow humans, therefore; medicine.

It's like these people just hate their children and want them to die miserably of preventable diseases.


I don't think it's that, I think it's just that they never stopped to think "I'm using this telephone. Hmmm. God didn't invent the telephone, Alexander Graham Bell did. But that's okay.  Medicine, though? Well, no way God would want me using THAT! He will heal me!" Why they don't think God would project their thoughts to their spouse to pick up milk at the store on the way home from work?  Why don't they milk a cow for that milk? It really, really doesn't add up.

How do they justify just about every other aspect of their existence that involves human inventions and interventions?
2014-01-17 01:26:29 PM
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I saw this on Law and Order once.
 
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