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(The Raw Story)   Idaho Lawmaker tries to block bill that would require parents to get medical treatment for sick kids instead of relying on prayer because ""This is.., the belief God is in charge of whether they live, and God is in charge of whether they die"   (rawstory.com) divider line 180
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2014-01-17 03:44:12 PM  

Super_pope: Carn: What this sort of God may look like.

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Sick portrait Papa Nurgle


Borrowed of course.  I was always more of a Tzeentch fan.
 
2014-01-17 03:45:43 PM  
CSB;
I was a lifeguard for several years, and I remember distinctly two occurrences where THESE people were involved:

1) A child in a summer camp was running on the deck and ended up skinning their knee. Nothing outrageous. Put a band aid on and that was that. Within the next few days our manager had to explain that the childs' parent was livid as they were Christian Scientists. Ended up going no where as the parents of the child signed papers in order to put the child into camp, and etc, But that was the first time I'd heard of it. Late 90's

2) I wasn't there that day, but a little Vietnamese man was choking on something at our snack bar. When another patron tried to embrace him for the Heimlich, he freaked apparently and started throwing bows. He ended up throwing up on the deck and left in a big huffy.

I worked with one for two years. He got the flu but refused all forms of meds and was out for almost 2 weeks. Came back like 30 lbs lighter.

NTTAWW their lifestyle, But these people are shiatballs insane.
 
2014-01-17 03:53:03 PM  

trickymoo: 2) I wasn't there that day, but a little Vietnamese man was choking on something at our snack bar. When another patron tried to embrace him for the Heimlich, he freaked apparently and started throwing bows. He ended up throwing up on the deck and left in a big huffy.


That could have just been him panicking.

Carn: Borrowed of course. I was always more of a Tzeentch fan.


static2.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2014-01-17 03:53:36 PM  

FlashHarry: i wonder what this asshole's views on sharia law are.


In'sh Allah.
 
2014-01-17 03:53:39 PM  

centrifugal bumblepuppy: [wp.patheos.com.s3.amazonaws.com image 550x458]


Shakers don't exist anymore.
 
2014-01-17 03:56:47 PM  
Come and get 'em!
Free Bibles, to all members of the congregation of the Followers of Christ, Marsing, Idaho!

/inoculated with smallpox
 
2014-01-17 04:00:47 PM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: No matter one's personal theology or lack thereof I think we all can agree that anyone who lets a child die of a treatable disease or injury will end up getting booked for the next thousand forevers in the suite by the poorly-maintained elevator in the wing of Hell Towers where the Rebecca Black concert never ends, the TV is permanently tuned to the Small Wonder marathon, the kitchen is out of everything but the Danny DeVito Anus Pie and the duodecahedron-penised rapenocerous just downed a Chevy-Tahoe-sized meth-and-Cialis capsule.




media.giphy.com
 
2014-01-17 04:00:47 PM  

trickymoo: He got the flu but refused all forms of meds and was out for almost 2 weeks. Came back like 30 lbs lighter.


Did he gain that weight back?
 
2014-01-17 04:01:49 PM  

serpent_sky: If they believe in God and that God is SO in control of everything, how can they not believe that he gave people the knowledge and ability to practice medicine and save lives? There's such a huge disconnect there.


I'm not sure pointing out the massive amount of cognitive dissonance or religious people is going to help.  These are people that base major portions of their life on a book written by Arabs more than 2000 years ago.  The book is mostly about god killing people in horrible ways, after facing them with dilemmas that had no actual reason to exist, besides god wanting to play with his toys.
 
2014-01-17 04:01:50 PM  
This is the kind of insanity that makes me stop for a second and think, you know if there was a devil this is the sort of crap it would pull to pervert a belief in god.

I wonder how long it will be before the first case of the state attempting to intervene on behalf of a child in this situation under the theory that the parents are mentally ill, and hence can't make medical decisions for the child?  That will be an interesting one.
 
2014-01-17 04:01:50 PM  
Abortions are god's will too, you know.
 
2014-01-17 04:02:37 PM  

Marquis de Sod: Come and get 'em!
Free Bibles, to all members of the congregation of the Followers of Christ, Marsing, Idaho!

/inoculated with smallpox


Please don't. It'll spread, and most of the younger generations haven't been vaccinated against it.
 
2014-01-17 04:03:38 PM  

OgreMagi: Grand_Moff_Joseph: The immediate rejoinder to that line of asinine thinking is:  "If God chooses whether or not we die, then explain how a God who claims to be compassionate and loving took over a dozen kids at Sandy Hook, execution-style.  What lesson should we all be taking from that?  Go on, we'll wait here for your answer."

Because god is an asshole.


Which God is an asshole?  They tend to confuse the Old Testament God and the New Testament God and pick and choose which attitude God has based on whether they personally agree with the situation.  So he's Old Testament God when we're talking about teh gayz but he's New Testament Hippie God when he supposedly supports the people who are agreeing with you.
img.fark.net
 
2014-01-17 04:05:10 PM  

hardinparamedic: NeoAnderthal: try that link again

http://www.wisn.com/news/south-east-wisconsin/milwaukee/debate-conti nu es-over-cosleeping-deaths-in-milwaukee/-/10148890/22124556/-/12l57ny/- /index.html

You, Sir, are a buffoon among imbeciles. A dunce among dumbasses.


The common clay of the new west....
 
2014-01-17 04:05:23 PM  

Janusdog: OgreMagi: Grand_Moff_Joseph: The immediate rejoinder to that line of asinine thinking is:  "If God chooses whether or not we die, then explain how a God who claims to be compassionate and loving took over a dozen kids at Sandy Hook, execution-style.  What lesson should we all be taking from that?  Go on, we'll wait here for your answer."

Because god is an asshole.

Which God is an asshole?  They tend to confuse the Old Testament God and the New Testament God and pick and choose which attitude God has based on whether they personally agree with the situation.  So he's Old Testament God when we're talking about teh gayz but he's New Testament Hippie God when he supposedly supports the people who are agreeing with you.
[img.fark.net image 480x401]


Same God. He's totally bipolar, but it takes a loooong time between phases.
 
2014-01-17 04:06:00 PM  

Magorn: Science and Christianity are in no way incompatible


Modern science and Evangelical Christianity are very incompatible. There is just no way that a literal interpretation squares with the world we see around us. (And there's no way that a metaphorical interpretation makes any damned sense.)
 
2014-01-17 04:06:31 PM  
I'm tepidly in support of this.  While it's unfortunate when children suffer for the flaws of their parents, in so many cases the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.  Many children of idiot parents grow up to be idiots themselves.  For too long we've been protecting stupid people from themselves, it's time to put a little extra chlorine into the gene pool.
 
2014-01-17 04:08:38 PM  
I'm actually kind of in favor of letting religious nutjobs take themselves out of the gene pool by refusing medical treatment (as others have already suggested).

Of course, ethics and simple human decency require me to officially oppose their idiocy, because innocent children are involved and they shouldn't have to pay with their lives for their parents' lack of common sense.
 
2014-01-17 04:09:02 PM  

Carn: Because what God loves is dead babies.  How many "Christians" are aware that they're actually worshiping Nurgle?


There is no Nurgle, only Zuul.

FIGHT!!!
 
2014-01-17 04:09:14 PM  

meyerkev: trickymoo: He got the flu but refused all forms of meds and was out for almost 2 weeks. Came back like 30 lbs lighter.

Did he gain that weight back?

After he came back, I was still there for 4-5 months and he was very weak. Shivered a lot too.

/ Whats the bit from Jay Moore? "Just got finished up a diet and Im down 15 lbs. It's called the flu! Nothing like liquid yoohoo coming out of you for two weeks while sweating every drop out of you in 45 degree weather.

Satanic_Hamster:

Nah, he explained after what was going on. Said we were violating his rights, etc. etc. "you cant just do that" The training they teach now is that if you cant get consent, do not touch and just wait for them to pass out and then give cpr, etc. Something about "Good Samaritan Law" trumps 1st Amendment in these kinda situations. Or something.

 
2014-01-17 04:09:22 PM  

Janusdog: Which God is an asshole? They tend to confuse the Old Testament God and the New Testament God and pick and choose which attitude God has based on whether they personally agree with the situation. So he's Old Testament God when we're talking about teh gayz but he's New Testament Hippie God when he supposedly supports the people who are agreeing with you.


I've said it before and I'll say it again.... for a bunch of people calling themselves Christians, they sure do seem to spend a lot of time screaming passages from ancient Jewish and Samaritan books at people...
 
2014-01-17 04:09:28 PM  
From a Republican, you say...
 
2014-01-17 04:10:22 PM  

EggSniper: The first amendment trumps any logical or scientific argument against people's 'right' to exercise their religion.  Unless and until a law declares that medicine and those that practice it (doctors) can accurately determine the lethality of a condition you're not going to be able to charge people with a crime when they let someone die of a disease.


And no one is asking for that, in the case of ADULTS.

But kids also have rights, including the right to life and the right to practice their own religion, which might differ from that of their parents.

So an argument can be (and very often is) made that the state has a role in ensuring a kid isn't killed by his parents' beliefs before he has the chance to enjoy his own rights as an adult.

If you want to practice faith healing only on yourself, or if you want to practice faith healing only for other ADULT members of your family (who theoretically are remaining with you of their own free will) you're 100% free to do so.

But you don't own your kids.  They are citizens in their own right and thus the state has an interest - because your kids, as citizens, have a relationship with the state that doesn't pass through you.
 
2014-01-17 04:12:20 PM  

give me doughnuts: Janusdog: OgreMagi: Grand_Moff_Joseph: The immediate rejoinder to that line of asinine thinking is:  "If God chooses whether or not we die, then explain how a God who claims to be compassionate and loving took over a dozen kids at Sandy Hook, execution-style.  What lesson should we all be taking from that?  Go on, we'll wait here for your answer."

Because god is an asshole.

Which God is an asshole?  They tend to confuse the Old Testament God and the New Testament God and pick and choose which attitude God has ...

Same God. He's totally bipolar, but it takes a loooong time between phases.


OK, well, he's definitely smoking medicinal pot in the New Testament.  Because, man, that Old Testament God has some problems with rage.
 
2014-01-17 04:13:01 PM  

centrifugal bumblepuppy: [wp.patheos.com.s3.amazonaws.com image 550x458]


At last count, employees who work for the First Church of Christ, Science in Boston (known as 'The Mother Church' to CS's) have health care coverage like anyone else regardless of whether the employees are Christian Scientists or not. I've not seen a single story about a Christian Scientist arguing they shouldn't have to provide medical coverage for any of their employees, though I'll not begin to claim that none will- there are extremist dumbasses in every faith. Most CS's I know want a religious exception to the ACA for relying on religious care vs. medical, but are perfectly fine with the idea of everyone else having medical coverage- and roll their eyes at the response from our local US Representative (a Republican) who in response to asking if he'd support such an exception essentially said that the best way to solve our problem was if he voted to repeal the whole thing.

As to the child skinning their knee and the parents complaining about a band aid? Something tells me those parents would have been livid about things regardless of whether they were Christian Scientists or not. My family had plenty of band aids in the house when I was growing up- like most kids, I tended to get scraped up a good bit and when that happened it got washed off and a band aid slapped on it.
 
2014-01-17 04:13:12 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Next time you hear a 'pro lifer' argue, point that person to this article. Pro life? Hardly.


clancifer: "Only God is in control of whether we live or die. Now, if you'll excuse me, my constituents need MOAR GUNS."


FlashHarry: i wonder what this asshole's views on sharia law are.


hungryhungryhorus: It's true, sometimes children are taken by preventable diseases like Measles, other times it's by mentally disturbed teens with access to rifles.  It's Gods will.  There's nothing that can be done about it.


Wow, Fark is really bringing on the stupid on a Friday. So far, we've managed to take a story about a single Republican state lawmaker being opposed to a law that is designed to deal with a tiny fringe group of religious nutbars to rant about abortion, gun control, anti-vaccers, and sharia law. Is there anything else you guys want to throw out there? I haven't seen anything about tax cuts or Obamacare yet. I'm sure there are a few other things that we can use this story as an excuse to mock.

Oh, and just for fun, there was one teeny, tiny detail that was in the original story that was linked in the article but that was somehow forgotten by the author of this fantastic example of journalistic integrity:

But Rep. Rich Wills, R-Glenns Ferry and chairman of the House Judiciary Committee where Gannon's bill could be introduced, said he is willing to consider updating faith-healing exemptions.
"I'm concerned any parent would put their religious beliefs ahead of child welfare," Will said. "It just stuns me."
 
2014-01-17 04:14:59 PM  

skozlaw: I've said it before and I'll say it again.... for a bunch of people calling themselves Christians, they sure do seem to spend a lot of time screaming passages from ancient Jewish and Samaritan books at people...


See, the New Testament applies only to people who've repented and been baptized in the name of Christ for the forgiveness of their sins. The Old Testament applies to everyone else. That means Christians SHOULD stone their neighbors who plant two crops in one field or wear clothes made of mixed fibers. Read your Bible.
 
2014-01-17 04:16:11 PM  
Well, the parents' belief in God in these cases was in charge of whether the children lived. He's not wrong.
 
2014-01-17 04:16:13 PM  

itazurakko: EggSniper: The first amendment trumps any logical or scientific argument against people's 'right' to exercise their religion.  Unless and until a law declares that medicine and those that practice it (doctors) can accurately determine the lethality of a condition you're not going to be able to charge people with a crime when they let someone die of a disease.

And no one is asking for that, in the case of ADULTS.

But kids also have rights, including the right to life and the right to practice their own religion, which might differ from that of their parents.

So an argument can be (and very often is) made that the state has a role in ensuring a kid isn't killed by his parents' beliefs before he has the chance to enjoy his own rights as an adult.

If you want to practice faith healing only on yourself, or if you want to practice faith healing only for other ADULT members of your family (who theoretically are remaining with you of their own free will) you're 100% free to do so.

But you don't own your kids.  They are citizens in their own right and thus the state has an interest - because your kids, as citizens, have a relationship with the state that doesn't pass through you.


This is exactly what they think, and why child abuse laws were very difficult (and still are in many cases) to institute and enforce.  For every kid whose family is unfairly targeted, there are hundreds of parents who are allowed to continue to beat their kids up.  I used to have a case of a teenager whose parents figured out if they hit her around the head and didn't touch her face, she didn't have visible bruises and I wouldn't report them.  Unluckily for them I touched her head and she winced.  These parents do not see their children as individual beings with their own rights, and that is triply true amongst very religious families.
 
2014-01-17 04:16:20 PM  

tnpir: hardinparamedic: NeoAnderthal: try that link again

http://www.wisn.com/news/south-east-wisconsin/milwaukee/debate-conti nu es-over-cosleeping-deaths-in-milwaukee/-/10148890/22124556/-/12l57ny/- /index.html

You, Sir, are a buffoon among imbeciles. A dunce among dumbasses.

The common clay of the new west....


Easy there kiddo.  The actual west has had laws protecting children from their retarded parents for longer than most people on fark have been alive.
 
2014-01-17 04:17:14 PM  

Havokmon: NeoAnderthal: Democrats only care about this story because of the religious implications. They don't care so much about dead children. There are plenty of cases to point that out.

cosleeping-deaths-in-milwaukee

No charges, ever.

Nor should there ever be.  'CoSleeping': The latest made-up threat by the people who brought you exploding toothpaste.


Co- Sleeping can be done safely, but unfortunately for the poor population in Milwaukee, where there is not enough room in the apt for all of the apt's inhabitants, they usually don't have the means to do so safely, or to arrange it in any other way.
I want to know if he's willing to pay for the housing of these people, so the babies can sleep safely.
 
2014-01-17 04:18:25 PM  

mod3072: "I'm concerned any parent would put their religious beliefs ahead of child welfare," Will said. "It just stuns me."


Secret agnostic who claims to be Christian to get elected detected.  One of the core principles that drives religion is that it claims to be the most important thing in the universe.  Almost every religion contains that provision, and anyone who truly believed would make the same mistake.
 
2014-01-17 04:18:37 PM  
mod3072:  . I'm sure there are a few other things that we can use this story as an excuse to mock.

Well there's You, obviously.
 
2014-01-17 04:21:42 PM  

Ashyukun: centrifugal bumblepuppy: [wp.patheos.com.s3.amazonaws.com image 550x458]

At last count, employees who work for the First Church of Christ, Science in Boston (known as 'The Mother Church' to CS's) have health care coverage like anyone else regardless of whether the employees are Christian Scientists or not. I've not seen a single story about a Christian Scientist arguing they shouldn't have to provide medical coverage for any of their employees, though I'll not begin to claim that none will- there are extremist dumbasses in every faith. Most CS's I know want a religious exception to the ACA for relying on religious care vs. medical, but are perfectly fine with the idea of everyone else having medical coverage- and roll their eyes at the response from our local US Representative (a Republican) who in response to asking if he'd support such an exception essentially said that the best way to solve our problem was if he voted to repeal the whole thing.

As to the child skinning their knee and the parents complaining about a band aid? Something tells me those parents would have been livid about things regardless of whether they were Christian Scientists or not. My family had plenty of band aids in the house when I was growing up- like most kids, I tended to get scraped up a good bit and when that happened it got washed off and a band aid slapped on it.


In my class on Health Law our professor basically said that the LEAST litigious folks were Jehovah's Witnesses -- as long as you respected their 'no transfusion' thing they rarely, if ever, sued the hospital if the person died.  He didn't talk about the kids specifically, though.
 
2014-01-17 04:21:44 PM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: No matter one's personal theology or lack thereof I think we all can agree that anyone who lets a child die of a treatable disease or injury will end up getting booked for the next thousand forevers in the suite by the poorly-maintained elevator in the wing of Hell Towers where the Rebecca Black concert never ends, the TV is permanently tuned to the Small Wonder marathon, the kitchen is out of everything but the Danny DeVito Anus Pie and the duodecahedron-penised rapenocerous just downed a Chevy-Tahoe-sized meth-and-Cialis capsule.


img.fark.net
 
2014-01-17 04:21:53 PM  

skozlaw: Religious rights, like all other rights, are not absolute and they can and should be curtailed in an appropriate manner when you begin to exercise them in ways that endanger others or otherwise impede others' rights.

This is not debatable.

blindio: So they believe in a god that is not powerful enough to call people to paradise if they're on antibiotics?


Sounds legit.

People who use medicine are evil and therefore going to hell so why would god be calling them up?

QED logic-guy. Q. E. To the motherfarking D.


I always see this as Quit and Eat Dinner, as that's what my math professors always said it was. The fark is it supposed to really mean?
 
2014-01-17 04:21:59 PM  
Is it God's will that someone die? Or was he testing those around them to see if they'd do the right thing? Is it the right thing to stand by and do nothing while another suffers? Because if God created everything then he also created medicine to heal the sick in which case it was meant to be used.
 
2014-01-17 04:22:12 PM  

Nadie_AZ: A Republican lawmaker in Idaho is trying to stop a law aimed at preventing the deaths of children whose parents eschew medical treatment in favor of prayer. The Associated Press reportedthat state Rep. Christy Perry (R) believes that a law proposed by Democratic Rep. John Gannon violates religious freedom of families who believe God's will supercedes modern medicine.

Um

Gannon proposed the law after a string of deaths in Marsing, Idaho among the congregation of the Followers of Christ church. Autopsy reports of multiple children showed that their deaths could have been prevented by medical intervention. Instead, their bodies now lie in a cemetery overlooking the Snake River.

Next time you hear a 'pro lifer' argue, point that person to this article. Pro life? Hardly.


Not using medical procedures to end or continue a life is consistent.
 
2014-01-17 04:25:24 PM  

tlars699: skozlaw: Religious rights, like all other rights, are not absolute and they can and should be curtailed in an appropriate manner when you begin to exercise them in ways that endanger others or otherwise impede others' rights.

This is not debatable.

blindio: So they believe in a god that is not powerful enough to call people to paradise if they're on antibiotics?


Sounds legit.

People who use medicine are evil and therefore going to hell so why would god be calling them up?

QED logic-guy. Q. E. To the motherfarking D.

I always see this as Quit and Eat Dinner, as that's what my math professors always said it was. The fark is it supposed to really mean?


Quod Erat Demonstrandum - That which was to have been demonstrated.

It's a gerundive - they are one of my favorite things.
 
2014-01-17 04:25:43 PM  
Perhaps it is God's Will that the parents go to jail.
 
2014-01-17 04:26:59 PM  

Ed Grubermann: Magorn: Science and Christianity are in no way incompatible

Modern science and Evangelical Christianity are very incompatible. There is just no way that a literal interpretation squares with the world we see around us. (And there's no way that a metaphorical interpretation makes any damned sense.)


This, up to a point.  Know and know of a lot of people who found Jesus as part of the process of turning their lives around.  If it works, I'm not going to knock it.    And if you think of it as a moral code from 2000 years ago that is surprisingly relevant today (while acknowledging that certain parts are entirely non-relevant and indeed harmful), it works.

On the Evangelical side, I was reading an article on the thinking of Al-qaeda, and it said that one of the reasons why we think they are so farking wierd is that:

"Post-Enlightenment people view A as having caused B.  Pre-Enlightenment people view A as being the occasion for God to cause B."

And that's the problem with evangelical Christians today.  What causes Electricity?  God.  Why do Animals look the way they do? God.  Why does that bridge stay up? God.  Why anything? God.  And 99% of the cool stuff we do today isn't that.  That bridge stays up because of carefully calculated tolerances on the behalf of several engineers.
 
2014-01-17 04:29:03 PM  

debug: Let them die. We're better off if these people don't have offspring.


i1.ytimg.com

Agrees
 
2014-01-17 04:30:12 PM  

yelmrog: Ugh.  I really love this state.  We're constantly in competition with Mississippi and Kansas over who can be the most backwards.


You had one senator introduce legislation, and one that is arguing again it. As far as your state is concerned, wouldn't that count as a wash so far?
 
2014-01-17 04:36:36 PM  

serpent_sky: If they believe in God and that God is SO in control of everything, how can they not believe that he gave people the knowledge and ability to practice medicine and save lives? There's such a huge disconnect there.


Anything they don't like is Satan's work, so...
 
2014-01-17 04:36:38 PM  

NeoAnderthal: Democrats only care about this story because of the religious implications. They don't care so much about dead children. There are plenty of cases to point that out.

cosleeping-deaths-in-milwaukee

No charges, ever.


0/10
 
2014-01-17 04:38:50 PM  

Janusdog: itazurakko: EggSniper: The first amendment trumps any logical or scientific argument against people's 'right' to exercise their religion.  Unless and until a law declares that medicine and those that practice it (doctors) can accurately determine the lethality of a condition you're not going to be able to charge people with a crime when they let someone die of a disease.

And no one is asking for that, in the case of ADULTS.

But kids also have rights, including the right to life and the right to practice their own religion, which might differ from that of their parents.

So an argument can be (and very often is) made that the state has a role in ensuring a kid isn't killed by his parents' beliefs before he has the chance to enjoy his own rights as an adult.

If you want to practice faith healing only on yourself, or if you want to practice faith healing only for other ADULT members of your family (who theoretically are remaining with you of their own free will) you're 100% free to do so.

But you don't own your kids.  They are citizens in their own right and thus the state has an interest - because your kids, as citizens, have a relationship with the state that doesn't pass through you.

This is exactly what they think, and why child abuse laws were very difficult (and still are in many cases) to institute and enforce.   For every kid whose family is unfairly targeted, there are hundreds of parents who are allowed to continue to beat their kids up.  I used to have a case of a teenager whose parents figured out if they hit her around the head and didn't touch her face, she didn't have visible bruises and I wouldn't report them.  Unluckily for them I touched her head and she winced.  These parents do not see their children as individual beings with their own rights, and that is triply true amongst very religious families.


^THIS to the eleventy!!

Also unfair: Asking the kid, who is regularly abused and threatened daily, to report the abuse, or otherwise doing nothing about it.

/survived
 
2014-01-17 04:40:21 PM  

Tigger: It's a gerundive - they are one of my favorite things.


Me, too. Gerundives are right up there with Raindrops on roses and whiskers on kittens
Bright copper kettles and warm woolen mittens
Brown paper packages tied up with strings
 
2014-01-17 04:41:00 PM  

Tigger: tlars699: skozlaw: Religious rights, like all other rights, are not absolute and they can and should be curtailed in an appropriate manner when you begin to exercise them in ways that endanger others or otherwise impede others' rights.

This is not debatable.

blindio: So they believe in a god that is not powerful enough to call people to paradise if they're on antibiotics?


Sounds legit.

People who use medicine are evil and therefore going to hell so why would god be calling them up?

QED logic-guy. Q. E. To the motherfarking D.

I always see this as Quit and Eat Dinner, as that's what my math professors always said it was. The fark is it supposed to really mean?

Quod Erat Demonstrandum - That which was to have been demonstrated.

It's a gerundive - they are one of my favorite things.


Thank you! It always bugged me. :)
 
2014-01-17 04:42:06 PM  

ikanreed: centrifugal bumblepuppy: [wp.patheos.com.s3.amazonaws.com image 550x458]

Shakers don't exist anymore.


They do. Granted, there's only like 5 of em or something. But they're there.
 
2014-01-17 04:42:57 PM  

a particular individual: Tigger: It's a gerundive - they are one of my favorite things.

Me, too. Gerundives are right up there with Raindrops on roses and whiskers on kittens
Bright copper kettles and warm woolen mittens
Brown paper packages tied up with strings


*golf clap
 
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