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(The Raw Story)   Idaho Lawmaker tries to block bill that would require parents to get medical treatment for sick kids instead of relying on prayer because ""This is.., the belief God is in charge of whether they live, and God is in charge of whether they die"   (rawstory.com) divider line 180
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2014-01-17 03:02:09 PM  

yelmrog: Ugh.  I really love this state.  We're constantly in competition with Mississippi and Kansas over who can be the most backwards.


Well, to be fair, an Idaho representative did propose the "please stop killing your kids with neglect" bill before it was opposed here.
 
2014-01-17 03:02:31 PM  

Carn: Because what God loves is dead babies.  How many "Christians" are aware that they're actually worshiping Nurgle?


Of course he likes them. How else do you think he makes all those cherubs?
 
2014-01-17 03:02:34 PM  

Bermuda59: Yet the GOP is against abortion


There was literally a GOP state congressperson who was anti-abortion, but pro filicide for disobedience.  The hypocrisy well of abortion is deeper than the Pacific.
 
2014-01-17 03:03:12 PM  
The willingness of Christians to ensure their neighbors die of medical neglect is astounding. I would love to be there to hear them explain it all to Jesus.
 
2014-01-17 03:04:02 PM  

Tigger: Tricky Chicken: Well, this could only serve to strengthen the gene pool in the long term. Stupid people letting their kids die and all.

The difference being that a child cannot consent to being a morally bankrupt subhuman shiatstain. An adult conservative like this guy can.


Sadly though, the child carries the stupid gene through no fault of its own. And while repugnant, the stupid parent letting the child die in turn lessens its own detrimental impact on the gene pool. It would be best if the child had never been born, but I'm going to go out on a limb and assume that these same people are against reproductive rights.
 
2014-01-17 03:04:36 PM  

NeoAnderthal: Democrats only care about this story because of the religious implications. They don't care so much about dead children. There are plenty of cases to point that out.

cosleeping-deaths-in-milwaukee

No charges, ever.


Uh-huh

It's a godless Democratic plot to interfere with religious parents and their right to refuse to provide their children with medical care instead of relying solely on prayer. You know this because Democrats didn't mandate government intrusion into the sleeping arrangements of families in general.

I'm surprised you didn't post that by passing child-safety laws for backyard pools, where children drown with horrible regularity, that the Democrats are anti-baptism.
 
2014-01-17 03:05:00 PM  
What this sort of God may look like.

i40.tinypic.com
 
2014-01-17 03:05:27 PM  
"This is about religious beliefs illogical superstition, the belief God is in charge of whether they live, and God is in charge of whether they die,"

FTFY
 
2014-01-17 03:05:55 PM  

serpent_sky: If they believe in God and that God is SO in control of everything, how can they not believe that he gave people the knowledge and ability to practice medicine and save lives? There's such a huge disconnect there.


Lets bring that thought further. Who are we to say that some all knowing being put it into some peoples mind not to believe in him/her? Or make them believe something different?
Could it be a test for us to see if we can learn to respect each other regardless of religion/sex/race/lifestyle?
 
2014-01-17 03:09:27 PM  

Bermuda59: Yet the GOP is against abortion


Well... you can't neglect a fetus the same way you can neglect a sick kid...
 
2014-01-17 03:10:05 PM  

serpent_sky: If they believe in God and that God is SO in control of everything, how can they not believe that he gave people the knowledge and ability to practice medicine and save lives? There's such a huge disconnect there.


Exactly.
When does God's will end?
Did the bystander giving CPR to a child hit by a car interfere with the master plan?
If that is the case, then why have life saving measures in place anywhere?

"Well, it was their time to go, put down the fire hose."
 
2014-01-17 03:10:39 PM  
Y'all should read 'The Spirit Catches You and You Fall Down'
http://www.amazon.com/The-Spirit-Catches-Fall-Down/dp/0374533407

It's about the intersection of religion and medicine in western culture
 
2014-01-17 03:10:42 PM  
I wonder if this particular Idaho lawmaker ever visits the doctor?
 
2014-01-17 03:10:44 PM  
Let me guess - the claim is it violates religious freedom.

state Rep. Christy Perry (R) believes that a law proposed by Democratic Rep. John Gannon violates religious freedom of families who believe God's will supercedes modern medicine.

Yup.

Asshole.

/something something, 1 Timothy 2:12
 
2014-01-17 03:11:09 PM  
I'm torn on this one.  On the one hand I think: grumpycatgood.jpg.  Let these Darwinian nightmares rid themselves from our realm!  It will save us a lot of heacdaches in the long-run.  But on the other hand: the children!  Won't someone think of the innocent children!
 
2014-01-17 03:11:47 PM  

Tricky Chicken: Tigger: Tricky Chicken: Well, this could only serve to strengthen the gene pool in the long term. Stupid people letting their kids die and all.

The difference being that a child cannot consent to being a morally bankrupt subhuman shiatstain. An adult conservative like this guy can.

Sadly though, the child carries the stupid gene through no fault of its own. And while repugnant, the stupid parent letting the child die in turn lessens its own detrimental impact on the gene pool. It would be best if the child had never been born, but I'm going to go out on a limb and assume that these same people are against reproductive rights.


I would say we let it go until they are 21 then just give them a brief test, say, "Is the earth 6,000 years old or a bit more than that" and just shoot the ones that get it wrong on the spot. That way we've given every kid a fair chance but we've also got rid of our country's biggest problem all in one go.
 
2014-01-17 03:11:54 PM  

Nadie_AZ: A Republican lawmaker in Idaho is trying to stop a law aimed at preventing the deaths of children whose parents eschew medical treatment in favor of prayer. The Associated Press reportedthat state Rep. Christy Perry (R) believes that a law proposed by Democratic Rep. John Gannon violates religious freedom of families who believe God's will supercedes modern medicine.

Um

Gannon proposed the law after a string of deaths in Marsing, Idaho among the congregation of the Followers of Christ church. Autopsy reports of multiple children showed that their deaths could have been prevented by medical intervention. Instead, their bodies now lie in a cemetery overlooking the Snake River.

Next time you hear a 'pro lifer' argue, point that person to this article. Pro life? Hardly.


These people believe that they should reject modern medicine and rely on prayer. These people are religious. Religious people tend to be pro-life. Therefore, every single person who is pro-life is religious, which clearly means that they do not believe in modern medicine! The logic is irrefutable!!
 
2014-01-17 03:13:37 PM  
Sure, God is in charge. For example, he spoke through legislators who passed laws outlawing murder.

Where does this douche get off interfering with the Lord's work, jailing parents who murder their own kids with their stupid?
 
2014-01-17 03:14:08 PM  
 
2014-01-17 03:14:47 PM  

NeoAnderthal: Democrats only care about this story because of the religious implications. They don't care so much about dead children. There are plenty of cases to point that out.

cosleeping-deaths-in-milwaukee

No charges, ever.


Nor should there ever be.  'CoSleeping': The latest made-up threat by the people who brought you exploding toothpaste.
 
2014-01-17 03:15:11 PM  
"God is in charge of whether they die"

It's true, sometimes children are taken by preventable diseases like Measles, other times it's by mentally disturbed teens with access to rifles.  It's Gods will.  There's nothing that can be done about it.
 
2014-01-17 03:15:21 PM  
God told me to shake this baby till it stops crying!
 
2014-01-17 03:16:55 PM  
The fault, my dear Brutus, lies not in our stars but in our Legislatures.
 
2014-01-17 03:17:28 PM  

Delawheredad: He MIGHT have a point in the proposed law violating the religious liberty of the parents.


Just as homicide laws violate the religious liberty of islamic parents who claim that their religion requires them to honor-kill their daughters.

Neither will the government let me build a wicker statue, stuff it full of my enemies, and set it on fire.
 
2014-01-17 03:17:58 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: The immediate rejoinder to that line of asinine thinking is:  "If God chooses whether or not we die, then explain how a God who claims to be compassionate and loving took over a dozen kids at Sandy Hook, execution-style.  What lesson should we all be taking from that?  Go on, we'll wait here for your answer."


If you asked someone who subscibes to that line of thinking (god over medicine)  "Why Sandy Hook?"  you will likely get an answer.  You won't stump them.  You may not beleive what they tell you,  but they certainly will.     Then  you can ask about the dinosaurs.
 
2014-01-17 03:18:16 PM  

NeoAnderthal: Democrats only care about this story because of the religious implications. They don't care so much about dead children. There are plenty of cases to point that out.

cosleeping-deaths-in-milwaukee

No charges, ever.


Sorry everyone in this tread is calling you names. Either way, as the article says, they have made co-sleeping while intoxicated a criminal act.
Either way to quote another article
These soft objects, which can cause the infant to accidentally suffocate, are present in about 80% of all unsafe-sleep-related infant deaths in Milwaukee and are present in 100% of cases when an infant is placed in an adult bed.

The risk/danger is soft pillows placed around the baby. The same soft pillows are also dangerous inside a crib. Parents aren't rolling over and crushing their kids, they are stupidy placing pillows around the kid thinking its protecting them.  This is an education thing, not a refusal over a long period of time to do the right thing and rejecting it out of some warped belief.
 
2014-01-17 03:20:25 PM  
funnycatwallpapers.com

It's painful to see, sure enough, but you're better off just looking away.  These people are going to instill in their children the same beliefs they themselves hold dear.  We don't need more of them.

upload.wikimedia.org

The first amendment trumps any logical or scientific argument against people's 'right' to exercise their religion.  Unless and until a law declares that medicine and those that practice it (doctors) can accurately determine the lethality of a condition you're not going to be able to charge people with a crime when they let someone die of a disease.
 
2014-01-17 03:20:38 PM  
So they believe in a god that is not powerful enough to call people to paradise if they're on antibiotics?


Sounds legit.
 
2014-01-17 03:22:07 PM  
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence...

There is no evidence that prayer works despite the claims
There is evidence that medicine works despite the objections
 
2014-01-17 03:24:04 PM  

serpent_sky: If they believe in God and that God is SO in control of everything, how can they not believe that he gave people the knowledge and ability to practice medicine and save lives?


Because religious belief doesn't have to make logical sense.
 
2014-01-17 03:24:13 PM  

OgreMagi: Grand_Moff_Joseph: The immediate rejoinder to that line of asinine thinking is:  "If God chooses whether or not we die, then explain how a God who claims to be compassionate and loving took over a dozen kids at Sandy Hook, execution-style.  What lesson should we all be taking from that?  Go on, we'll wait here for your answer."

Because god is an asshole.

~~
 Let me give you a little inside information about God. God likes to watch. He's a prankster. Think about it. He gives man instincts. He gives you this extraordinary gift, and then what does He do, I swear for His own amusement, his own private, cosmic gag reel, He sets the rules in opposition. It's the goof of all time. Look but don't touch. Touch, but don't taste. Taste, don't swallow. Ahaha. And while you're jumpin' from one foot to the next, what is he doing? He's laughin' His sick, ****in' ass off! He's a tight-ass! He's a SADIST! He's an absentee landlord!
 
2014-01-17 03:27:14 PM  
Religious rights, like all other rights, are not absolute and they can and should be curtailed in an appropriate manner when you begin to exercise them in ways that endanger others or otherwise impede others' rights.

This is not debatable.

blindio: So they believe in a god that is not powerful enough to call people to paradise if they're on antibiotics?


Sounds legit.


People who use medicine are evil and therefore going to hell so why would god be calling them up?

QED logic-guy. Q. E. To the motherfarking D.
 
2014-01-17 03:28:01 PM  
You people are missing it.  This has nothing to do with actual religion, and everything to do with control.  These people are control freaks.  Medicine scares and intimidates them; prayer they can control.
 
2014-01-17 03:28:28 PM  
Because God is utterly helpless in the face a bottle of tamaflu and unable to smite your ass call you home?
 
2014-01-17 03:29:16 PM  
Not a christian, but even I know that their bible says "Faith without works is dead."

By all means, pray for the kids and sick, but that doesn't mean you should _only_ pray, you're supposed to do everything else you can too, fool.
 
2014-01-17 03:30:34 PM  
 
2014-01-17 03:32:31 PM  

Carn: What this sort of God may look like.

[i40.tinypic.com image 817x588]


Sick portrait Papa Nurgle
 
2014-01-17 03:34:16 PM  

Terrible Old Man: Not a christian, but even I know that their bible says "Faith without works is dead."

By all means, pray for the kids and sick, but that doesn't mean you should _only_ pray, you're supposed to do everything else you can too, fool.


Technically speaking that's a Catholic point of view. Luther's doctrine of "faith alone" is what drives most non-Catholic theology.

Interestingly the removal of good works as a requirement to get into heaven cause a huge drop in charitable giving in 17th C Europe. It also provides justification for this piece of shiat. Don't matter if you're killing kids - you have faith.
 
2014-01-17 03:34:46 PM  
Benjamin Franklin took a lot of flack from some of the fundies of his era, who said using a lightning rod to protect a house from damage circumvented God's will.  We haven't progressed at all from the 1700s.
 
2014-01-17 03:37:10 PM  
NeoAnderthal: try that link again

http://www.wisn.com/news/south-east-wisconsin/milwaukee/debate-conti nu es-over-cosleeping-deaths-in-milwaukee/-/10148890/22124556/-/12l57ny/- /index.html


Getting drunk and crushing your kid is better than the sky wizard antibiotic prayer.
 
2014-01-17 03:38:05 PM  
Republican lawmaker serves Kool Aid to children. Film at 11.
 
2014-01-17 03:40:22 PM  

Tigger: Terrible Old Man: Not a christian, but even I know that their bible says "Faith without works is dead."

By all means, pray for the kids and sick, but that doesn't mean you should _only_ pray, you're supposed to do everything else you can too, fool.

Technically speaking that's a Catholic point of view. Luther's doctrine of "faith alone" is what drives most non-Catholic theology

one specific aspect of non-Catholic soteriology, and has no relevance for whether or not sick people go to a doctor.

FTFY.  Lutherans (along with 99.999% of other Protestants) have no problem with medicine.

/neither Lutheran nor Catholic
 
2014-01-17 03:40:25 PM  

Mad Scientist: Benjamin Franklin took a lot of flack from some of the fundies of his era, who said using a lightning rod to protect a house from damage circumvented God's will.  We haven't progressed at all from the 1700s.


SOME of us haven't. I'd say the fact that so many people pop out of the woodwork to taunt and mock these backwards, cave-dwelling, kid-killing farks when these stories creep up is pretty solid evidence that we've advanced as a whole.

This is an issue, after all, of the majority attempting to protect the children of the minority. You'll never meet a completely sensible religious person, but as religious people go, you'll rarely meet one as stupid as these scumbags anymore.
 
2014-01-17 03:41:06 PM  

NeoAnderthal: Democrats only care about this story because of the religious implications. They don't care so much about dead children. There are plenty of cases to point that out.

cosleeping-deaths-in-milwaukee

No charges, ever.


This is literally pants-on-head insane.  Take your pants off your head, they don't go there.
 
2014-01-17 03:41:27 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: The immediate rejoinder to that line of asinine thinking is:  "If God chooses whether or not we die, then explain how a God who claims to be compassionate and loving took over a dozen kids at Sandy Hook, execution-style.  What lesson should we all be taking from that?  Go on, we'll wait here for your answer."


Because of gay marriage.

Someone should convince these people they should prey instead of eating.  Obviously, if they die it's God's will.
 
2014-01-17 03:41:31 PM  

SovietCanuckistan: serpent_sky: If they believe in God and that God is SO in control of everything, how can they not believe that he gave people the knowledge and ability to practice medicine and save lives? There's such a huge disconnect there.

Exactly.
When does God's will end?
Did the bystander giving CPR to a child hit by a car interfere with the master plan?
If that is the case, then why have life saving measures in place anywhere?

"Well, it was their time to go, put down the fire hose."


Also, stop praying to ask God for favors. That's nothing more than admitting that you think God's Divine Plan isn't working out quite right and you'd like Him to make some adjustments. Then what if He grants your request and it farks up the Divine Plan?

Or as George Carlin put it...

But...what about the divine plan? Remember that? The divine plan. Long time ago god made a divine plan.  Gave it a lot of thought. Decided it was a good plan. Put it into practice.  And for billion and billions of years the divine plan has been doing just fine. Now you come along and pray for something. Well, suppose the thing you want isn't in God's divine plan.  What do you want him to do?  Change his plan? Just for you? Doesn't it seem a little arrogant? It's a divine plan. What's the use of being God if every run-down schmuck with a two dollar prayer book can come along and fark up your plan?  And here's something else, another problem you might have; suppose your prayers aren't answered. What do you say? ´Well it's god's will. God's will be done.´ Fine, but if it's God's will and he's going to do whatever he wants to anyway; why the fark bother praying in the first place? Seems like a big waste of time to me."
 
2014-01-17 03:42:03 PM  
wp.patheos.com.s3.amazonaws.com
 
2014-01-17 03:43:26 PM  
damn, I meant to say, sort of like this, but substitute parent for employer
 
2014-01-17 03:43:50 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: Grand_Moff_Joseph: The immediate rejoinder to that line of asinine thinking is:  "If God chooses whether or not we die, then explain how a God who claims to be compassionate and loving took over a dozen kids at Sandy Hook, execution-style.  What lesson should we all be taking from that?  Go on, we'll wait here for your answer."

Because of gay marriage.

Someone should convince these people they should prey instead of eating.  Obviously, if they die it's God's will.


Its been done.
 
2014-01-17 03:43:57 PM  
So if I were to kill this politician, I shouldnt go to jail, because it was just gods will.... right?
 
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