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(The Raw Story)   Idaho Lawmaker tries to block bill that would require parents to get medical treatment for sick kids instead of relying on prayer because ""This is.., the belief God is in charge of whether they live, and God is in charge of whether they die"   (rawstory.com ) divider line
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2014-01-17 01:23:42 PM  
We have come a long way.  It wasn't long ago that Darwin was the enemy, now they're embracing him and introducing legislation to help him continue his fine work of filtering the gene pool.
 
2014-01-17 01:26:29 PM  
I saw this on Law and Order once.
 
2014-01-17 01:26:41 PM  
A Republican lawmaker in Idaho is trying to stop a law aimed at preventing the deaths of children whose parents eschew medical treatment in favor of prayer. The Associated Press reportedthat state Rep. Christy Perry (R) believes that a law proposed by Democratic Rep. John Gannon violates religious freedom of families who believe God's will supercedes modern medicine.

Um

Gannon proposed the law after a string of deaths in Marsing, Idaho among the congregation of the Followers of Christ church. Autopsy reports of multiple children showed that their deaths could have been prevented by medical intervention. Instead, their bodies now lie in a cemetery overlooking the Snake River.

Next time you hear a 'pro lifer' argue, point that person to this article. Pro life? Hardly.
 
2014-01-17 01:30:51 PM  
If they believe in God and that God is SO in control of everything, how can they not believe that he gave people the knowledge and ability to practice medicine and save lives? There's such a huge disconnect there.
 
2014-01-17 01:33:23 PM  
Rep. Perry, do you think a man should have the same privilege as a sponge?
 
2014-01-17 01:34:33 PM  
"Only God is in control of whether we live or die. Now, if you'll excuse me, my constituents need MOAR GUNS."
 
2014-01-17 01:35:00 PM  
Rep. Perry, please step out in front of a speeding bus. By your reasoning, if God wants you to live, it won't hurt you.
 
2014-01-17 01:37:34 PM  

serpent_sky: If they believe in God and that God is SO in control of everything, how can they not believe that he gave people the knowledge and ability to practice medicine and save lives? There's such a huge disconnect there.


Right? Either God has absolute control over everything and you shouldn't be wearing clothes or driving, or he gave people intelligence and the ability to better themselves and their fellow humans, therefore; medicine.

It's like these people just hate their children and want them to die miserably of preventable diseases.
 
2014-01-17 01:39:50 PM  
Democrats only care about this story because of the religious implications. They don't care so much about dead children. There are plenty of cases to point that out.

cosleeping-deaths-in-milwaukee

No charges, ever.
 
2014-01-17 01:40:52 PM  

Calmamity: serpent_sky: If they believe in God and that God is SO in control of everything, how can they not believe that he gave people the knowledge and ability to practice medicine and save lives? There's such a huge disconnect there.

Right? Either God has absolute control over everything and you shouldn't be wearing clothes or driving, or he gave people intelligence and the ability to better themselves and their fellow humans, therefore; medicine.

It's like these people just hate their children and want them to die miserably of preventable diseases.


I don't think it's that, I think it's just that they never stopped to think "I'm using this telephone. Hmmm. God didn't invent the telephone, Alexander Graham Bell did. But that's okay.  Medicine, though? Well, no way God would want me using THAT! He will heal me!" Why they don't think God would project their thoughts to their spouse to pick up milk at the store on the way home from work?  Why don't they milk a cow for that milk? It really, really doesn't add up.

How do they justify just about every other aspect of their existence that involves human inventions and interventions?
 
2014-01-17 01:42:05 PM  
 
2014-01-17 01:45:03 PM  
i wonder what this asshole's views on sharia law are.
 
2014-01-17 01:46:56 PM  
He MIGHT have a point in the proposed law violating the religious liberty of the parents. He has NO case in objecting to the law because it "opposes God."
 
2014-01-17 01:47:01 PM  
No matter one's personal theology or lack thereof I think we all can agree that anyone who lets a child die of a treatable disease or injury will end up getting booked for the next thousand forevers in the suite by the poorly-maintained elevator in the wing of Hell Towers where the Rebecca Black concert never ends, the TV is permanently tuned to the Small Wonder marathon, the kitchen is out of everything but the Danny DeVito Anus Pie and the duodecahedron-penised rapenocerous just downed a Chevy-Tahoe-sized meth-and-Cialis capsule.
 
2014-01-17 01:48:47 PM  
Trust in God, but take your kids to the farking Doctor.
 
2014-01-17 01:50:30 PM  

NeoAnderthal: try that link again

http://www.wisn.com/news/south-east-wisconsin/milwaukee/debate-conti nu es-over-cosleeping-deaths-in-milwaukee/-/10148890/22124556/-/12l57ny/- /index.html


So...your argument is that accidental deaths due to co-sleeping, is the same as willful neglect? And somehow, the liberals are to blame?

We're you dropped on your head?
 
2014-01-17 01:51:28 PM  

Calmamity: It's like these people just hate their children and want them to die miserably of preventable diseases.


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If you're down the "God will cure all my ailments" path, you've probably long passed the "We'll just fark a lot and however many kids we get, we get" signpost as well.

Plus, you know....kid dies? Lots of free covered dishes from the neighbors!
 
2014-01-17 01:53:31 PM  

what_now: We're you dropped on your head?


Lot's of childhood maladies, if not treated properly and in a timely manner, can cause irreparable brain damage if the child survives.

Just saying.
 
2014-01-17 01:54:08 PM  
Take the sick kids to the hospital and their mentally ill parents to the looney bin.
 
2014-01-17 01:59:25 PM  

Calmamity: Lot's of childhood maladies, if not treated properly and in a timely manner, can cause irreparable brain damage if the child survives.


Which explains the greater voting population of Utah, Alabama, Texas, Georgia, both Carolinas, etc, etc,
 
2014-01-17 01:59:52 PM  
The immediate rejoinder to that line of asinine thinking is:  "If God chooses whether or not we die, then explain how a God who claims to be compassionate and loving took over a dozen kids at Sandy Hook, execution-style.  What lesson should we all be taking from that?  Go on, we'll wait here for your answer."
 
2014-01-17 02:00:06 PM  

NeoAnderthal: try that link again

http://www.wisn.com/news/south-east-wisconsin/milwaukee/debate-conti nu es-over-cosleeping-deaths-in-milwaukee/-/10148890/22124556/-/12l57ny/- /index.html


Who are the "liberals" in that story?
 
2014-01-17 02:00:18 PM  

what_now: NeoAnderthal: try that link again

http://www.wisn.com/news/south-east-wisconsin/milwaukee/debate-conti nu es-over-cosleeping-deaths-in-milwaukee/-/10148890/22124556/-/12l57ny/- /index.html

So...your argument is that accidental deaths due to co-sleeping, is the same as willful neglect? And somehow, the liberals are to blame?

We're you dropped on your head?



Daily. And still.
 
2014-01-17 02:18:38 PM  
Best quote on this topic ever "God is my co-pilot, but science is my mechanic"


Can remember where I got that.
 
2014-01-17 02:22:14 PM  

NeoAnderthal: try that link again

http://www.wisn.com/news/south-east-wisconsin/milwaukee/debate-conti nu es-over-cosleeping-deaths-in-milwaukee/-/10148890/22124556/-/12l57ny/- /index.html


You, Sir, are a buffoon among imbeciles. A dunce among dumbasses.
 
2014-01-17 02:27:05 PM  

serpent_sky: If they believe in God and that God is SO in control of everything, how can they not believe that he gave people the knowledge and ability to practice medicine and save lives? There's such a huge disconnect there.


 I have made that precise argument to more than one hardcore evangelical in a mostly vain attempt to convince them that Science and Christianity are in no way incompatible and in fact Western science was developed BECAUSE of Christianity*. I point out that when Jesus prophesier in Matthew 17:
These signs will accompany those who have believed: in My name they will cast out demons, they will speak with new tongues;  18they will pick up serpents, and if they drink any deadly poison, it will not hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover."

That this was NOT as the "Snake Handlers" would have it, a magical grant of power, but a foretelling of the wonders that science would eventually bring. as we can do all those things now thanks to science.

To see the hand of God in all creation EXCEPT modern medicine is deeply irrational to me,   It reminds me of the old joke about the preacher and the flood:


It was flooding in California. As the flood waters were rising, a pastor was on the stoop of his church and another man in a row boat came by. The man in the row boat told the preacher  to get in and he'd save him. The Preacher   said:
"no, I havefaith in God and I know he will provide".

 The flood waters kept rising and the preacher had to go to the choir loft of the church. A man in a motor boat came by and told the preacher to get in because he had come to rescue him. The preacher said "no thank you. My faith is strong and I trust in god to rescue me"

 The flood waters kept rising. Pretty soon they were up to the steeple of theChurch and thepreacher was left clinging to it for dear life.  A helicopter then came by, lowered a rope and the pilot shouted down in  to climb up the rope because thehelicopter had come to rescue him.

The preacher refused, saying God was testing him but his faith wasunshakable and he knew god would save him.  The flood waters kept rising and preacher  drowned. When he got to heaven, he asked God where he went wrong. He told God that he had perfect faith in Him,  So why had God had let him drown?

God says to the man
"What more do you want from me?, I sent you two boats and a helicopter."


*(Monotheism is somewhat pre-requisite to believing that universe in the world operate in a rational, predictable and repeatable.   Unless you believe that god is irrational or psychotic, you will assume that there is a rational pattern to his actions, searching after those "natural laws" by Aquinas and others led to the development of the logical tools that became the, eventually, the scientific method)
 
2014-01-17 02:29:38 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: The immediate rejoinder to that line of asinine thinking is:  "If God chooses whether or not we die, then explain how a God who claims to be compassionate and loving took over a dozen kids at Sandy Hook, execution-style.  What lesson should we all be taking from that?  Go on, we'll wait here for your answer."


Thant God thinks it's long past time we joined the rest of the civilized world in enacting robus federal restrictions on private ownership of firearms?  I seem to remember God and the NRA had a big mesy falling out abut the time Wayne LaPierre took over as chairman
 
2014-01-17 02:32:12 PM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: No matter one's personal theology or lack thereof I think we all can agree that anyone who lets a child die of a treatable disease or injury will end up getting booked for the next thousand forevers in the suite by the poorly-maintained elevator in the wing of Hell Towers where the Rebecca Black concert never ends, the TV is permanently tuned to the Small Wonder marathon, the kitchen is out of everything but the Danny DeVito Anus Pie and the duodecahedron-penised rapenocerous just downed a Chevy-Tahoe-sized meth-and-Cialis capsule.


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2014-01-17 02:51:56 PM  
If you don't believe that the government can/should be used to protect children, then perhaps you should find yourself another career.

I hear that we have openings for cannon fodder.
 
2014-01-17 02:53:38 PM  
biglegalmessrecords.com

"Didn't  mean to kill him. I just shot him. Him dying was between him and the Almighty."
 
2014-01-17 02:54:32 PM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: No matter one's personal theology or lack thereof I think we all can agree that anyone who lets a child die of a treatable disease or injury will end up getting booked for the next thousand forevers in the suite by the poorly-maintained elevator in the wing of Hell Towers where the Rebecca Black concert never ends, the TV is permanently tuned to the Small Wonder marathon, the kitchen is out of everything but the Danny DeVito Anus Pie and the duodecahedron-penised rapenocerous just downed a Chevy-Tahoe-sized meth-and-Cialis capsule.


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2014-01-17 02:54:39 PM  
Because what God loves is dead babies.  How many "Christians" are aware that they're actually worshiping Nurgle?
 
2014-01-17 02:54:50 PM  
Awesome.  Predestination trumps human decency.
 
2014-01-17 02:55:08 PM  
Ugh.  I really love this state.  We're constantly in competition with Mississippi and Kansas over who can be the most backwards.
 
2014-01-17 02:55:28 PM  
Chalk up another point in favor of "There is no such thing as a moral Republican"
 
2014-01-17 02:56:58 PM  
Well, this could only serve to strengthen the gene pool in the long term. Stupid people letting their kids die and all.
 
2014-01-17 02:57:15 PM  
Pray for your own health and Darwin-like consequences are acceptable but making your children suffer and die for your beliefs not so acceptable.
 
2014-01-17 02:57:30 PM  
"Pro-Life"
 
2014-01-17 02:57:50 PM  
Objective reality disagrees with your religion?  Who cares?  Just kill your kids anyways!
 
2014-01-17 02:58:00 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: The immediate rejoinder to that line of asinine thinking is:  "If God chooses whether or not we die, then explain how a God who claims to be compassionate and loving took over a dozen kids at Sandy Hook, execution-style.  What lesson should we all be taking from that?  Go on, we'll wait here for your answer."


Because god is an asshole.
 
2014-01-17 02:58:03 PM  
stop electing idiots.
 
2014-01-17 02:58:32 PM  

serpent_sky: Calmamity: serpent_sky: If they believe in God and that God is SO in control of everything, how can they not believe that he gave people the knowledge and ability to practice medicine and save lives? There's such a huge disconnect there.

Right? Either God has absolute control over everything and you shouldn't be wearing clothes or driving, or he gave people intelligence and the ability to better themselves and their fellow humans, therefore; medicine.

It's like these people just hate their children and want them to die miserably of preventable diseases.

I don't think it's that, I think it's just that they never stopped to think "I'm using this telephone. Hmmm. God didn't invent the telephone, Alexander Graham Bell did. But that's okay.  Medicine, though? Well, no way God would want me using THAT! He will heal me!" Why they don't think God would project their thoughts to their spouse to pick up milk at the store on the way home from work?  Why don't they milk a cow for that milk? It really, really doesn't add up.

How do they justify just about every other aspect of their existence that involves human inventions and interventions?


What if God wanted them to go to the hospital?... unless the message is nah... just go ahead and die but you had the choice
 
2014-01-17 02:58:32 PM  
You know, you remind me of the man that lived by the river. He heard a radio report that the river was going to rush up and flood the town. And that all the residents should evacuate their homes.
But the man said, "I'm religious. I pray. God loves me. God will save me."
The waters rose up. A guy in a row boat came along and he shouted, "Hey, hey you! You in there. The town is flooding. Let me take you to safety."
But the man shouted back, "I'm religious. I pray. God loves me. God will save me."
A helicopter was hovering overhead. And a guy with a megaphone shouted, "Hey you, you down there. The town is flooding. Let me drop this ladder and I'll take you to safety."
But the man shouted back that he was religious, that he prayed, that God loved him and that God will take him to safety.
Well... the man drowned. And standing at the gates of St. Peter, he demanded an audience with God. "Lord," he said, "I'm a religious man, I pray. I thought you loved me. Why did this happen?" God said, "I sent you a radio report, a helicopter, and a guy in a rowboat. What the hell are you doing here?"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QX6wOOJy0hk

/not religious
 
2014-01-17 02:58:33 PM  

Tricky Chicken: Well, this could only serve to strengthen the gene pool in the long term. Stupid people letting their kids die and all.


The difference being that a child cannot consent to being a morally bankrupt subhuman shiatstain. An adult conservative like this guy can.
 
2014-01-17 02:58:39 PM  
Oregon just said fark it, passed the law change, and started charge these parents with neglect.

We had something like 10 kids die in 2 years due to this neglect.
 
2014-01-17 02:59:17 PM  
Yet the GOP is against abortion
 
2014-01-17 03:00:50 PM  
Let them die. We're better off if these people don't have offspring.
 
2014-01-17 03:01:08 PM  
The next time a kid dies or suffers permanent damage as a result of their dumbshiat parents believing invisible magic would save their crotchfruit, send HIM to jail alongside the parents. It's only fair.
 
2014-01-17 03:01:11 PM  

OgreMagi: Grand_Moff_Joseph: The immediate rejoinder to that line of asinine thinking is:  "If God chooses whether or not we die, then explain how a God who claims to be compassionate and loving took over a dozen kids at Sandy Hook, execution-style.  What lesson should we all be taking from that?  Go on, we'll wait here for your answer."

Because god is an asshole.


If people would read their Old Testament they would be pretty clear on this fact.
 
2014-01-17 03:01:38 PM  
Magorn:
To see the hand of God in all creation EXCEPT modern medicine is deeply irrational to me,   It reminds me of the old joke about the preacher and the flood:

Well crap, I didn't see that before I posted.  My bad.
 
2014-01-17 03:02:09 PM  

yelmrog: Ugh.  I really love this state.  We're constantly in competition with Mississippi and Kansas over who can be the most backwards.


Well, to be fair, an Idaho representative did propose the "please stop killing your kids with neglect" bill before it was opposed here.
 
2014-01-17 03:02:31 PM  

Carn: Because what God loves is dead babies.  How many "Christians" are aware that they're actually worshiping Nurgle?


Of course he likes them. How else do you think he makes all those cherubs?
 
2014-01-17 03:02:34 PM  

Bermuda59: Yet the GOP is against abortion


There was literally a GOP state congressperson who was anti-abortion, but pro filicide for disobedience.  The hypocrisy well of abortion is deeper than the Pacific.
 
2014-01-17 03:03:12 PM  
The willingness of Christians to ensure their neighbors die of medical neglect is astounding. I would love to be there to hear them explain it all to Jesus.
 
2014-01-17 03:04:02 PM  

Tigger: Tricky Chicken: Well, this could only serve to strengthen the gene pool in the long term. Stupid people letting their kids die and all.

The difference being that a child cannot consent to being a morally bankrupt subhuman shiatstain. An adult conservative like this guy can.


Sadly though, the child carries the stupid gene through no fault of its own. And while repugnant, the stupid parent letting the child die in turn lessens its own detrimental impact on the gene pool. It would be best if the child had never been born, but I'm going to go out on a limb and assume that these same people are against reproductive rights.
 
2014-01-17 03:04:36 PM  

NeoAnderthal: Democrats only care about this story because of the religious implications. They don't care so much about dead children. There are plenty of cases to point that out.

cosleeping-deaths-in-milwaukee

No charges, ever.


Uh-huh

It's a godless Democratic plot to interfere with religious parents and their right to refuse to provide their children with medical care instead of relying solely on prayer. You know this because Democrats didn't mandate government intrusion into the sleeping arrangements of families in general.

I'm surprised you didn't post that by passing child-safety laws for backyard pools, where children drown with horrible regularity, that the Democrats are anti-baptism.
 
2014-01-17 03:05:00 PM  
What this sort of God may look like.

i40.tinypic.com
 
2014-01-17 03:05:27 PM  
"This is about religious beliefs illogical superstition, the belief God is in charge of whether they live, and God is in charge of whether they die,"

FTFY
 
2014-01-17 03:05:55 PM  

serpent_sky: If they believe in God and that God is SO in control of everything, how can they not believe that he gave people the knowledge and ability to practice medicine and save lives? There's such a huge disconnect there.


Lets bring that thought further. Who are we to say that some all knowing being put it into some peoples mind not to believe in him/her? Or make them believe something different?
Could it be a test for us to see if we can learn to respect each other regardless of religion/sex/race/lifestyle?
 
2014-01-17 03:09:27 PM  

Bermuda59: Yet the GOP is against abortion


Well... you can't neglect a fetus the same way you can neglect a sick kid...
 
2014-01-17 03:10:05 PM  

serpent_sky: If they believe in God and that God is SO in control of everything, how can they not believe that he gave people the knowledge and ability to practice medicine and save lives? There's such a huge disconnect there.


Exactly.
When does God's will end?
Did the bystander giving CPR to a child hit by a car interfere with the master plan?
If that is the case, then why have life saving measures in place anywhere?

"Well, it was their time to go, put down the fire hose."
 
2014-01-17 03:10:39 PM  
Y'all should read 'The Spirit Catches You and You Fall Down'
http://www.amazon.com/The-Spirit-Catches-Fall-Down/dp/0374533407

It's about the intersection of religion and medicine in western culture
 
2014-01-17 03:10:42 PM  
I wonder if this particular Idaho lawmaker ever visits the doctor?
 
2014-01-17 03:10:44 PM  
Let me guess - the claim is it violates religious freedom.

state Rep. Christy Perry (R) believes that a law proposed by Democratic Rep. John Gannon violates religious freedom of families who believe God's will supercedes modern medicine.

Yup.

Asshole.

/something something, 1 Timothy 2:12
 
2014-01-17 03:11:09 PM  
I'm torn on this one.  On the one hand I think: grumpycatgood.jpg.  Let these Darwinian nightmares rid themselves from our realm!  It will save us a lot of heacdaches in the long-run.  But on the other hand: the children!  Won't someone think of the innocent children!
 
2014-01-17 03:11:47 PM  

Tricky Chicken: Tigger: Tricky Chicken: Well, this could only serve to strengthen the gene pool in the long term. Stupid people letting their kids die and all.

The difference being that a child cannot consent to being a morally bankrupt subhuman shiatstain. An adult conservative like this guy can.

Sadly though, the child carries the stupid gene through no fault of its own. And while repugnant, the stupid parent letting the child die in turn lessens its own detrimental impact on the gene pool. It would be best if the child had never been born, but I'm going to go out on a limb and assume that these same people are against reproductive rights.


I would say we let it go until they are 21 then just give them a brief test, say, "Is the earth 6,000 years old or a bit more than that" and just shoot the ones that get it wrong on the spot. That way we've given every kid a fair chance but we've also got rid of our country's biggest problem all in one go.
 
2014-01-17 03:11:54 PM  

Nadie_AZ: A Republican lawmaker in Idaho is trying to stop a law aimed at preventing the deaths of children whose parents eschew medical treatment in favor of prayer. The Associated Press reportedthat state Rep. Christy Perry (R) believes that a law proposed by Democratic Rep. John Gannon violates religious freedom of families who believe God's will supercedes modern medicine.

Um

Gannon proposed the law after a string of deaths in Marsing, Idaho among the congregation of the Followers of Christ church. Autopsy reports of multiple children showed that their deaths could have been prevented by medical intervention. Instead, their bodies now lie in a cemetery overlooking the Snake River.

Next time you hear a 'pro lifer' argue, point that person to this article. Pro life? Hardly.


These people believe that they should reject modern medicine and rely on prayer. These people are religious. Religious people tend to be pro-life. Therefore, every single person who is pro-life is religious, which clearly means that they do not believe in modern medicine! The logic is irrefutable!!
 
2014-01-17 03:13:37 PM  
Sure, God is in charge. For example, he spoke through legislators who passed laws outlawing murder.

Where does this douche get off interfering with the Lord's work, jailing parents who murder their own kids with their stupid?
 
2014-01-17 03:14:08 PM  
 
2014-01-17 03:14:47 PM  

NeoAnderthal: Democrats only care about this story because of the religious implications. They don't care so much about dead children. There are plenty of cases to point that out.

cosleeping-deaths-in-milwaukee

No charges, ever.


Nor should there ever be.  'CoSleeping': The latest made-up threat by the people who brought you exploding toothpaste.
 
2014-01-17 03:15:11 PM  
"God is in charge of whether they die"

It's true, sometimes children are taken by preventable diseases like Measles, other times it's by mentally disturbed teens with access to rifles.  It's Gods will.  There's nothing that can be done about it.
 
2014-01-17 03:15:21 PM  
God told me to shake this baby till it stops crying!
 
2014-01-17 03:16:55 PM  
The fault, my dear Brutus, lies not in our stars but in our Legislatures.
 
2014-01-17 03:17:28 PM  

Delawheredad: He MIGHT have a point in the proposed law violating the religious liberty of the parents.


Just as homicide laws violate the religious liberty of islamic parents who claim that their religion requires them to honor-kill their daughters.

Neither will the government let me build a wicker statue, stuff it full of my enemies, and set it on fire.
 
2014-01-17 03:17:58 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: The immediate rejoinder to that line of asinine thinking is:  "If God chooses whether or not we die, then explain how a God who claims to be compassionate and loving took over a dozen kids at Sandy Hook, execution-style.  What lesson should we all be taking from that?  Go on, we'll wait here for your answer."


If you asked someone who subscibes to that line of thinking (god over medicine)  "Why Sandy Hook?"  you will likely get an answer.  You won't stump them.  You may not beleive what they tell you,  but they certainly will.     Then  you can ask about the dinosaurs.
 
2014-01-17 03:18:16 PM  

NeoAnderthal: Democrats only care about this story because of the religious implications. They don't care so much about dead children. There are plenty of cases to point that out.

cosleeping-deaths-in-milwaukee

No charges, ever.


Sorry everyone in this tread is calling you names. Either way, as the article says, they have made co-sleeping while intoxicated a criminal act.
Either way to quote another article
These soft objects, which can cause the infant to accidentally suffocate, are present in about 80% of all unsafe-sleep-related infant deaths in Milwaukee and are present in 100% of cases when an infant is placed in an adult bed.

The risk/danger is soft pillows placed around the baby. The same soft pillows are also dangerous inside a crib. Parents aren't rolling over and crushing their kids, they are stupidy placing pillows around the kid thinking its protecting them.  This is an education thing, not a refusal over a long period of time to do the right thing and rejecting it out of some warped belief.
 
2014-01-17 03:20:25 PM  
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It's painful to see, sure enough, but you're better off just looking away.  These people are going to instill in their children the same beliefs they themselves hold dear.  We don't need more of them.

upload.wikimedia.org

The first amendment trumps any logical or scientific argument against people's 'right' to exercise their religion.  Unless and until a law declares that medicine and those that practice it (doctors) can accurately determine the lethality of a condition you're not going to be able to charge people with a crime when they let someone die of a disease.
 
2014-01-17 03:20:38 PM  
So they believe in a god that is not powerful enough to call people to paradise if they're on antibiotics?


Sounds legit.
 
2014-01-17 03:22:07 PM  
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence...

There is no evidence that prayer works despite the claims
There is evidence that medicine works despite the objections
 
2014-01-17 03:24:04 PM  

serpent_sky: If they believe in God and that God is SO in control of everything, how can they not believe that he gave people the knowledge and ability to practice medicine and save lives?


Because religious belief doesn't have to make logical sense.
 
2014-01-17 03:24:13 PM  

OgreMagi: Grand_Moff_Joseph: The immediate rejoinder to that line of asinine thinking is:  "If God chooses whether or not we die, then explain how a God who claims to be compassionate and loving took over a dozen kids at Sandy Hook, execution-style.  What lesson should we all be taking from that?  Go on, we'll wait here for your answer."

Because god is an asshole.

~~
 Let me give you a little inside information about God. God likes to watch. He's a prankster. Think about it. He gives man instincts. He gives you this extraordinary gift, and then what does He do, I swear for His own amusement, his own private, cosmic gag reel, He sets the rules in opposition. It's the goof of all time. Look but don't touch. Touch, but don't taste. Taste, don't swallow. Ahaha. And while you're jumpin' from one foot to the next, what is he doing? He's laughin' His sick, ****in' ass off! He's a tight-ass! He's a SADIST! He's an absentee landlord!
 
2014-01-17 03:27:14 PM  
Religious rights, like all other rights, are not absolute and they can and should be curtailed in an appropriate manner when you begin to exercise them in ways that endanger others or otherwise impede others' rights.

This is not debatable.

blindio: So they believe in a god that is not powerful enough to call people to paradise if they're on antibiotics?


Sounds legit.


People who use medicine are evil and therefore going to hell so why would god be calling them up?

QED logic-guy. Q. E. To the motherfarking D.
 
2014-01-17 03:28:01 PM  
You people are missing it.  This has nothing to do with actual religion, and everything to do with control.  These people are control freaks.  Medicine scares and intimidates them; prayer they can control.
 
2014-01-17 03:28:28 PM  
Because God is utterly helpless in the face a bottle of tamaflu and unable to smite your ass call you home?
 
2014-01-17 03:29:16 PM  
Not a christian, but even I know that their bible says "Faith without works is dead."

By all means, pray for the kids and sick, but that doesn't mean you should _only_ pray, you're supposed to do everything else you can too, fool.
 
2014-01-17 03:30:34 PM  
 
2014-01-17 03:32:31 PM  

Carn: What this sort of God may look like.

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Sick portrait Papa Nurgle
 
2014-01-17 03:34:16 PM  

Terrible Old Man: Not a christian, but even I know that their bible says "Faith without works is dead."

By all means, pray for the kids and sick, but that doesn't mean you should _only_ pray, you're supposed to do everything else you can too, fool.


Technically speaking that's a Catholic point of view. Luther's doctrine of "faith alone" is what drives most non-Catholic theology.

Interestingly the removal of good works as a requirement to get into heaven cause a huge drop in charitable giving in 17th C Europe. It also provides justification for this piece of shiat. Don't matter if you're killing kids - you have faith.
 
2014-01-17 03:34:46 PM  
Benjamin Franklin took a lot of flack from some of the fundies of his era, who said using a lightning rod to protect a house from damage circumvented God's will.  We haven't progressed at all from the 1700s.
 
2014-01-17 03:37:10 PM  

NeoAnderthal: try that link again

http://www.wisn.com/news/south-east-wisconsin/milwaukee/debate-conti nu es-over-cosleeping-deaths-in-milwaukee/-/10148890/22124556/-/12l57ny/- /index.html


Getting drunk and crushing your kid is better than the sky wizard antibiotic prayer.
 
2014-01-17 03:38:05 PM  
Republican lawmaker serves Kool Aid to children. Film at 11.
 
2014-01-17 03:40:22 PM  

Tigger: Terrible Old Man: Not a christian, but even I know that their bible says "Faith without works is dead."

By all means, pray for the kids and sick, but that doesn't mean you should _only_ pray, you're supposed to do everything else you can too, fool.

Technically speaking that's a Catholic point of view. Luther's doctrine of "faith alone" is what drives most non-Catholic theology

one specific aspect of non-Catholic soteriology, and has no relevance for whether or not sick people go to a doctor.

FTFY.  Lutherans (along with 99.999% of other Protestants) have no problem with medicine.

/neither Lutheran nor Catholic
 
2014-01-17 03:40:25 PM  

Mad Scientist: Benjamin Franklin took a lot of flack from some of the fundies of his era, who said using a lightning rod to protect a house from damage circumvented God's will.  We haven't progressed at all from the 1700s.


SOME of us haven't. I'd say the fact that so many people pop out of the woodwork to taunt and mock these backwards, cave-dwelling, kid-killing farks when these stories creep up is pretty solid evidence that we've advanced as a whole.

This is an issue, after all, of the majority attempting to protect the children of the minority. You'll never meet a completely sensible religious person, but as religious people go, you'll rarely meet one as stupid as these scumbags anymore.
 
2014-01-17 03:41:06 PM  

NeoAnderthal: Democrats only care about this story because of the religious implications. They don't care so much about dead children. There are plenty of cases to point that out.

cosleeping-deaths-in-milwaukee

No charges, ever.


This is literally pants-on-head insane.  Take your pants off your head, they don't go there.
 
2014-01-17 03:41:27 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: The immediate rejoinder to that line of asinine thinking is:  "If God chooses whether or not we die, then explain how a God who claims to be compassionate and loving took over a dozen kids at Sandy Hook, execution-style.  What lesson should we all be taking from that?  Go on, we'll wait here for your answer."


Because of gay marriage.

Someone should convince these people they should prey instead of eating.  Obviously, if they die it's God's will.
 
2014-01-17 03:41:31 PM  

SovietCanuckistan: serpent_sky: If they believe in God and that God is SO in control of everything, how can they not believe that he gave people the knowledge and ability to practice medicine and save lives? There's such a huge disconnect there.

Exactly.
When does God's will end?
Did the bystander giving CPR to a child hit by a car interfere with the master plan?
If that is the case, then why have life saving measures in place anywhere?

"Well, it was their time to go, put down the fire hose."


Also, stop praying to ask God for favors. That's nothing more than admitting that you think God's Divine Plan isn't working out quite right and you'd like Him to make some adjustments. Then what if He grants your request and it farks up the Divine Plan?

Or as George Carlin put it...

But...what about the divine plan? Remember that? The divine plan. Long time ago god made a divine plan.  Gave it a lot of thought. Decided it was a good plan. Put it into practice.  And for billion and billions of years the divine plan has been doing just fine. Now you come along and pray for something. Well, suppose the thing you want isn't in God's divine plan.  What do you want him to do?  Change his plan? Just for you? Doesn't it seem a little arrogant? It's a divine plan. What's the use of being God if every run-down schmuck with a two dollar prayer book can come along and fark up your plan?  And here's something else, another problem you might have; suppose your prayers aren't answered. What do you say? ´Well it's god's will. God's will be done.´ Fine, but if it's God's will and he's going to do whatever he wants to anyway; why the fark bother praying in the first place? Seems like a big waste of time to me."
 
2014-01-17 03:42:03 PM  
wp.patheos.com.s3.amazonaws.com
 
2014-01-17 03:43:26 PM  
damn, I meant to say, sort of like this, but substitute parent for employer
 
2014-01-17 03:43:50 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: Grand_Moff_Joseph: The immediate rejoinder to that line of asinine thinking is:  "If God chooses whether or not we die, then explain how a God who claims to be compassionate and loving took over a dozen kids at Sandy Hook, execution-style.  What lesson should we all be taking from that?  Go on, we'll wait here for your answer."

Because of gay marriage.

Someone should convince these people they should prey instead of eating.  Obviously, if they die it's God's will.


Its been done.
 
2014-01-17 03:43:57 PM  
So if I were to kill this politician, I shouldnt go to jail, because it was just gods will.... right?
 
2014-01-17 03:44:12 PM  

Super_pope: Carn: What this sort of God may look like.

[i40.tinypic.com image 817x588]

Sick portrait Papa Nurgle


Borrowed of course.  I was always more of a Tzeentch fan.
 
2014-01-17 03:45:43 PM  
CSB;
I was a lifeguard for several years, and I remember distinctly two occurrences where THESE people were involved:

1) A child in a summer camp was running on the deck and ended up skinning their knee. Nothing outrageous. Put a band aid on and that was that. Within the next few days our manager had to explain that the childs' parent was livid as they were Christian Scientists. Ended up going no where as the parents of the child signed papers in order to put the child into camp, and etc, But that was the first time I'd heard of it. Late 90's

2) I wasn't there that day, but a little Vietnamese man was choking on something at our snack bar. When another patron tried to embrace him for the Heimlich, he freaked apparently and started throwing bows. He ended up throwing up on the deck and left in a big huffy.

I worked with one for two years. He got the flu but refused all forms of meds and was out for almost 2 weeks. Came back like 30 lbs lighter.

NTTAWW their lifestyle, But these people are shiatballs insane.
 
2014-01-17 03:53:03 PM  

trickymoo: 2) I wasn't there that day, but a little Vietnamese man was choking on something at our snack bar. When another patron tried to embrace him for the Heimlich, he freaked apparently and started throwing bows. He ended up throwing up on the deck and left in a big huffy.


That could have just been him panicking.

Carn: Borrowed of course. I was always more of a Tzeentch fan.


static2.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2014-01-17 03:53:36 PM  

FlashHarry: i wonder what this asshole's views on sharia law are.


In'sh Allah.
 
2014-01-17 03:53:39 PM  

centrifugal bumblepuppy: [wp.patheos.com.s3.amazonaws.com image 550x458]


Shakers don't exist anymore.
 
2014-01-17 03:56:47 PM  
Come and get 'em!
Free Bibles, to all members of the congregation of the Followers of Christ, Marsing, Idaho!

/inoculated with smallpox
 
2014-01-17 04:00:47 PM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: No matter one's personal theology or lack thereof I think we all can agree that anyone who lets a child die of a treatable disease or injury will end up getting booked for the next thousand forevers in the suite by the poorly-maintained elevator in the wing of Hell Towers where the Rebecca Black concert never ends, the TV is permanently tuned to the Small Wonder marathon, the kitchen is out of everything but the Danny DeVito Anus Pie and the duodecahedron-penised rapenocerous just downed a Chevy-Tahoe-sized meth-and-Cialis capsule.




media.giphy.com
 
2014-01-17 04:00:47 PM  

trickymoo: He got the flu but refused all forms of meds and was out for almost 2 weeks. Came back like 30 lbs lighter.


Did he gain that weight back?
 
2014-01-17 04:01:49 PM  

serpent_sky: If they believe in God and that God is SO in control of everything, how can they not believe that he gave people the knowledge and ability to practice medicine and save lives? There's such a huge disconnect there.


I'm not sure pointing out the massive amount of cognitive dissonance or religious people is going to help.  These are people that base major portions of their life on a book written by Arabs more than 2000 years ago.  The book is mostly about god killing people in horrible ways, after facing them with dilemmas that had no actual reason to exist, besides god wanting to play with his toys.
 
2014-01-17 04:01:50 PM  
This is the kind of insanity that makes me stop for a second and think, you know if there was a devil this is the sort of crap it would pull to pervert a belief in god.

I wonder how long it will be before the first case of the state attempting to intervene on behalf of a child in this situation under the theory that the parents are mentally ill, and hence can't make medical decisions for the child?  That will be an interesting one.
 
2014-01-17 04:01:50 PM  
Abortions are god's will too, you know.
 
2014-01-17 04:02:37 PM  

Marquis de Sod: Come and get 'em!
Free Bibles, to all members of the congregation of the Followers of Christ, Marsing, Idaho!

/inoculated with smallpox


Please don't. It'll spread, and most of the younger generations haven't been vaccinated against it.
 
2014-01-17 04:03:38 PM  

OgreMagi: Grand_Moff_Joseph: The immediate rejoinder to that line of asinine thinking is:  "If God chooses whether or not we die, then explain how a God who claims to be compassionate and loving took over a dozen kids at Sandy Hook, execution-style.  What lesson should we all be taking from that?  Go on, we'll wait here for your answer."

Because god is an asshole.


Which God is an asshole?  They tend to confuse the Old Testament God and the New Testament God and pick and choose which attitude God has based on whether they personally agree with the situation.  So he's Old Testament God when we're talking about teh gayz but he's New Testament Hippie God when he supposedly supports the people who are agreeing with you.
img.fark.net
 
2014-01-17 04:05:10 PM  

hardinparamedic: NeoAnderthal: try that link again

http://www.wisn.com/news/south-east-wisconsin/milwaukee/debate-conti nu es-over-cosleeping-deaths-in-milwaukee/-/10148890/22124556/-/12l57ny/- /index.html

You, Sir, are a buffoon among imbeciles. A dunce among dumbasses.


The common clay of the new west....
 
2014-01-17 04:05:23 PM  

Janusdog: OgreMagi: Grand_Moff_Joseph: The immediate rejoinder to that line of asinine thinking is:  "If God chooses whether or not we die, then explain how a God who claims to be compassionate and loving took over a dozen kids at Sandy Hook, execution-style.  What lesson should we all be taking from that?  Go on, we'll wait here for your answer."

Because god is an asshole.

Which God is an asshole?  They tend to confuse the Old Testament God and the New Testament God and pick and choose which attitude God has based on whether they personally agree with the situation.  So he's Old Testament God when we're talking about teh gayz but he's New Testament Hippie God when he supposedly supports the people who are agreeing with you.
[img.fark.net image 480x401]


Same God. He's totally bipolar, but it takes a loooong time between phases.
 
2014-01-17 04:06:00 PM  

Magorn: Science and Christianity are in no way incompatible


Modern science and Evangelical Christianity are very incompatible. There is just no way that a literal interpretation squares with the world we see around us. (And there's no way that a metaphorical interpretation makes any damned sense.)
 
2014-01-17 04:06:31 PM  
I'm tepidly in support of this.  While it's unfortunate when children suffer for the flaws of their parents, in so many cases the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.  Many children of idiot parents grow up to be idiots themselves.  For too long we've been protecting stupid people from themselves, it's time to put a little extra chlorine into the gene pool.
 
2014-01-17 04:08:38 PM  
I'm actually kind of in favor of letting religious nutjobs take themselves out of the gene pool by refusing medical treatment (as others have already suggested).

Of course, ethics and simple human decency require me to officially oppose their idiocy, because innocent children are involved and they shouldn't have to pay with their lives for their parents' lack of common sense.
 
2014-01-17 04:09:02 PM  

Carn: Because what God loves is dead babies.  How many "Christians" are aware that they're actually worshiping Nurgle?


There is no Nurgle, only Zuul.

FIGHT!!!
 
2014-01-17 04:09:14 PM  

meyerkev: trickymoo: He got the flu but refused all forms of meds and was out for almost 2 weeks. Came back like 30 lbs lighter.

Did he gain that weight back?

After he came back, I was still there for 4-5 months and he was very weak. Shivered a lot too.

/ Whats the bit from Jay Moore? "Just got finished up a diet and Im down 15 lbs. It's called the flu! Nothing like liquid yoohoo coming out of you for two weeks while sweating every drop out of you in 45 degree weather.

Satanic_Hamster:

Nah, he explained after what was going on. Said we were violating his rights, etc. etc. "you cant just do that" The training they teach now is that if you cant get consent, do not touch and just wait for them to pass out and then give cpr, etc. Something about "Good Samaritan Law" trumps 1st Amendment in these kinda situations. Or something.

 
2014-01-17 04:09:22 PM  

Janusdog: Which God is an asshole? They tend to confuse the Old Testament God and the New Testament God and pick and choose which attitude God has based on whether they personally agree with the situation. So he's Old Testament God when we're talking about teh gayz but he's New Testament Hippie God when he supposedly supports the people who are agreeing with you.


I've said it before and I'll say it again.... for a bunch of people calling themselves Christians, they sure do seem to spend a lot of time screaming passages from ancient Jewish and Samaritan books at people...
 
2014-01-17 04:09:28 PM  
From a Republican, you say...
 
2014-01-17 04:10:22 PM  

EggSniper: The first amendment trumps any logical or scientific argument against people's 'right' to exercise their religion.  Unless and until a law declares that medicine and those that practice it (doctors) can accurately determine the lethality of a condition you're not going to be able to charge people with a crime when they let someone die of a disease.


And no one is asking for that, in the case of ADULTS.

But kids also have rights, including the right to life and the right to practice their own religion, which might differ from that of their parents.

So an argument can be (and very often is) made that the state has a role in ensuring a kid isn't killed by his parents' beliefs before he has the chance to enjoy his own rights as an adult.

If you want to practice faith healing only on yourself, or if you want to practice faith healing only for other ADULT members of your family (who theoretically are remaining with you of their own free will) you're 100% free to do so.

But you don't own your kids.  They are citizens in their own right and thus the state has an interest - because your kids, as citizens, have a relationship with the state that doesn't pass through you.
 
2014-01-17 04:12:20 PM  

give me doughnuts: Janusdog: OgreMagi: Grand_Moff_Joseph: The immediate rejoinder to that line of asinine thinking is:  "If God chooses whether or not we die, then explain how a God who claims to be compassionate and loving took over a dozen kids at Sandy Hook, execution-style.  What lesson should we all be taking from that?  Go on, we'll wait here for your answer."

Because god is an asshole.

Which God is an asshole?  They tend to confuse the Old Testament God and the New Testament God and pick and choose which attitude God has ...

Same God. He's totally bipolar, but it takes a loooong time between phases.


OK, well, he's definitely smoking medicinal pot in the New Testament.  Because, man, that Old Testament God has some problems with rage.
 
2014-01-17 04:13:01 PM  

centrifugal bumblepuppy: [wp.patheos.com.s3.amazonaws.com image 550x458]


At last count, employees who work for the First Church of Christ, Science in Boston (known as 'The Mother Church' to CS's) have health care coverage like anyone else regardless of whether the employees are Christian Scientists or not. I've not seen a single story about a Christian Scientist arguing they shouldn't have to provide medical coverage for any of their employees, though I'll not begin to claim that none will- there are extremist dumbasses in every faith. Most CS's I know want a religious exception to the ACA for relying on religious care vs. medical, but are perfectly fine with the idea of everyone else having medical coverage- and roll their eyes at the response from our local US Representative (a Republican) who in response to asking if he'd support such an exception essentially said that the best way to solve our problem was if he voted to repeal the whole thing.

As to the child skinning their knee and the parents complaining about a band aid? Something tells me those parents would have been livid about things regardless of whether they were Christian Scientists or not. My family had plenty of band aids in the house when I was growing up- like most kids, I tended to get scraped up a good bit and when that happened it got washed off and a band aid slapped on it.
 
2014-01-17 04:13:12 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Next time you hear a 'pro lifer' argue, point that person to this article. Pro life? Hardly.


clancifer: "Only God is in control of whether we live or die. Now, if you'll excuse me, my constituents need MOAR GUNS."


FlashHarry: i wonder what this asshole's views on sharia law are.


hungryhungryhorus: It's true, sometimes children are taken by preventable diseases like Measles, other times it's by mentally disturbed teens with access to rifles.  It's Gods will.  There's nothing that can be done about it.


Wow, Fark is really bringing on the stupid on a Friday. So far, we've managed to take a story about a single Republican state lawmaker being opposed to a law that is designed to deal with a tiny fringe group of religious nutbars to rant about abortion, gun control, anti-vaccers, and sharia law. Is there anything else you guys want to throw out there? I haven't seen anything about tax cuts or Obamacare yet. I'm sure there are a few other things that we can use this story as an excuse to mock.

Oh, and just for fun, there was one teeny, tiny detail that was in the original story that was linked in the article but that was somehow forgotten by the author of this fantastic example of journalistic integrity:

But Rep. Rich Wills, R-Glenns Ferry and chairman of the House Judiciary Committee where Gannon's bill could be introduced, said he is willing to consider updating faith-healing exemptions.
"I'm concerned any parent would put their religious beliefs ahead of child welfare," Will said. "It just stuns me."
 
2014-01-17 04:14:59 PM  

skozlaw: I've said it before and I'll say it again.... for a bunch of people calling themselves Christians, they sure do seem to spend a lot of time screaming passages from ancient Jewish and Samaritan books at people...


See, the New Testament applies only to people who've repented and been baptized in the name of Christ for the forgiveness of their sins. The Old Testament applies to everyone else. That means Christians SHOULD stone their neighbors who plant two crops in one field or wear clothes made of mixed fibers. Read your Bible.
 
2014-01-17 04:16:11 PM  
Well, the parents' belief in God in these cases was in charge of whether the children lived. He's not wrong.
 
2014-01-17 04:16:13 PM  

itazurakko: EggSniper: The first amendment trumps any logical or scientific argument against people's 'right' to exercise their religion.  Unless and until a law declares that medicine and those that practice it (doctors) can accurately determine the lethality of a condition you're not going to be able to charge people with a crime when they let someone die of a disease.

And no one is asking for that, in the case of ADULTS.

But kids also have rights, including the right to life and the right to practice their own religion, which might differ from that of their parents.

So an argument can be (and very often is) made that the state has a role in ensuring a kid isn't killed by his parents' beliefs before he has the chance to enjoy his own rights as an adult.

If you want to practice faith healing only on yourself, or if you want to practice faith healing only for other ADULT members of your family (who theoretically are remaining with you of their own free will) you're 100% free to do so.

But you don't own your kids.  They are citizens in their own right and thus the state has an interest - because your kids, as citizens, have a relationship with the state that doesn't pass through you.


This is exactly what they think, and why child abuse laws were very difficult (and still are in many cases) to institute and enforce.  For every kid whose family is unfairly targeted, there are hundreds of parents who are allowed to continue to beat their kids up.  I used to have a case of a teenager whose parents figured out if they hit her around the head and didn't touch her face, she didn't have visible bruises and I wouldn't report them.  Unluckily for them I touched her head and she winced.  These parents do not see their children as individual beings with their own rights, and that is triply true amongst very religious families.
 
2014-01-17 04:16:20 PM  

tnpir: hardinparamedic: NeoAnderthal: try that link again

http://www.wisn.com/news/south-east-wisconsin/milwaukee/debate-conti nu es-over-cosleeping-deaths-in-milwaukee/-/10148890/22124556/-/12l57ny/- /index.html

You, Sir, are a buffoon among imbeciles. A dunce among dumbasses.

The common clay of the new west....


Easy there kiddo.  The actual west has had laws protecting children from their retarded parents for longer than most people on fark have been alive.
 
2014-01-17 04:17:14 PM  

Havokmon: NeoAnderthal: Democrats only care about this story because of the religious implications. They don't care so much about dead children. There are plenty of cases to point that out.

cosleeping-deaths-in-milwaukee

No charges, ever.

Nor should there ever be.  'CoSleeping': The latest made-up threat by the people who brought you exploding toothpaste.


Co- Sleeping can be done safely, but unfortunately for the poor population in Milwaukee, where there is not enough room in the apt for all of the apt's inhabitants, they usually don't have the means to do so safely, or to arrange it in any other way.
I want to know if he's willing to pay for the housing of these people, so the babies can sleep safely.
 
2014-01-17 04:18:25 PM  

mod3072: "I'm concerned any parent would put their religious beliefs ahead of child welfare," Will said. "It just stuns me."


Secret agnostic who claims to be Christian to get elected detected.  One of the core principles that drives religion is that it claims to be the most important thing in the universe.  Almost every religion contains that provision, and anyone who truly believed would make the same mistake.
 
2014-01-17 04:18:37 PM  
mod3072:  . I'm sure there are a few other things that we can use this story as an excuse to mock.

Well there's You, obviously.
 
2014-01-17 04:21:42 PM  

Ashyukun: centrifugal bumblepuppy: [wp.patheos.com.s3.amazonaws.com image 550x458]

At last count, employees who work for the First Church of Christ, Science in Boston (known as 'The Mother Church' to CS's) have health care coverage like anyone else regardless of whether the employees are Christian Scientists or not. I've not seen a single story about a Christian Scientist arguing they shouldn't have to provide medical coverage for any of their employees, though I'll not begin to claim that none will- there are extremist dumbasses in every faith. Most CS's I know want a religious exception to the ACA for relying on religious care vs. medical, but are perfectly fine with the idea of everyone else having medical coverage- and roll their eyes at the response from our local US Representative (a Republican) who in response to asking if he'd support such an exception essentially said that the best way to solve our problem was if he voted to repeal the whole thing.

As to the child skinning their knee and the parents complaining about a band aid? Something tells me those parents would have been livid about things regardless of whether they were Christian Scientists or not. My family had plenty of band aids in the house when I was growing up- like most kids, I tended to get scraped up a good bit and when that happened it got washed off and a band aid slapped on it.


In my class on Health Law our professor basically said that the LEAST litigious folks were Jehovah's Witnesses -- as long as you respected their 'no transfusion' thing they rarely, if ever, sued the hospital if the person died.  He didn't talk about the kids specifically, though.
 
2014-01-17 04:21:44 PM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: No matter one's personal theology or lack thereof I think we all can agree that anyone who lets a child die of a treatable disease or injury will end up getting booked for the next thousand forevers in the suite by the poorly-maintained elevator in the wing of Hell Towers where the Rebecca Black concert never ends, the TV is permanently tuned to the Small Wonder marathon, the kitchen is out of everything but the Danny DeVito Anus Pie and the duodecahedron-penised rapenocerous just downed a Chevy-Tahoe-sized meth-and-Cialis capsule.


img.fark.net
 
2014-01-17 04:21:53 PM  

skozlaw: Religious rights, like all other rights, are not absolute and they can and should be curtailed in an appropriate manner when you begin to exercise them in ways that endanger others or otherwise impede others' rights.

This is not debatable.

blindio: So they believe in a god that is not powerful enough to call people to paradise if they're on antibiotics?


Sounds legit.

People who use medicine are evil and therefore going to hell so why would god be calling them up?

QED logic-guy. Q. E. To the motherfarking D.


I always see this as Quit and Eat Dinner, as that's what my math professors always said it was. The fark is it supposed to really mean?
 
2014-01-17 04:21:59 PM  
Is it God's will that someone die? Or was he testing those around them to see if they'd do the right thing? Is it the right thing to stand by and do nothing while another suffers? Because if God created everything then he also created medicine to heal the sick in which case it was meant to be used.
 
2014-01-17 04:22:12 PM  

Nadie_AZ: A Republican lawmaker in Idaho is trying to stop a law aimed at preventing the deaths of children whose parents eschew medical treatment in favor of prayer. The Associated Press reportedthat state Rep. Christy Perry (R) believes that a law proposed by Democratic Rep. John Gannon violates religious freedom of families who believe God's will supercedes modern medicine.

Um

Gannon proposed the law after a string of deaths in Marsing, Idaho among the congregation of the Followers of Christ church. Autopsy reports of multiple children showed that their deaths could have been prevented by medical intervention. Instead, their bodies now lie in a cemetery overlooking the Snake River.

Next time you hear a 'pro lifer' argue, point that person to this article. Pro life? Hardly.


Not using medical procedures to end or continue a life is consistent.
 
2014-01-17 04:25:24 PM  

tlars699: skozlaw: Religious rights, like all other rights, are not absolute and they can and should be curtailed in an appropriate manner when you begin to exercise them in ways that endanger others or otherwise impede others' rights.

This is not debatable.

blindio: So they believe in a god that is not powerful enough to call people to paradise if they're on antibiotics?


Sounds legit.

People who use medicine are evil and therefore going to hell so why would god be calling them up?

QED logic-guy. Q. E. To the motherfarking D.

I always see this as Quit and Eat Dinner, as that's what my math professors always said it was. The fark is it supposed to really mean?


Quod Erat Demonstrandum - That which was to have been demonstrated.

It's a gerundive - they are one of my favorite things.
 
2014-01-17 04:25:43 PM  
Perhaps it is God's Will that the parents go to jail.
 
2014-01-17 04:26:59 PM  

Ed Grubermann: Magorn: Science and Christianity are in no way incompatible

Modern science and Evangelical Christianity are very incompatible. There is just no way that a literal interpretation squares with the world we see around us. (And there's no way that a metaphorical interpretation makes any damned sense.)


This, up to a point.  Know and know of a lot of people who found Jesus as part of the process of turning their lives around.  If it works, I'm not going to knock it.    And if you think of it as a moral code from 2000 years ago that is surprisingly relevant today (while acknowledging that certain parts are entirely non-relevant and indeed harmful), it works.

On the Evangelical side, I was reading an article on the thinking of Al-qaeda, and it said that one of the reasons why we think they are so farking wierd is that:

"Post-Enlightenment people view A as having caused B.  Pre-Enlightenment people view A as being the occasion for God to cause B."

And that's the problem with evangelical Christians today.  What causes Electricity?  God.  Why do Animals look the way they do? God.  Why does that bridge stay up? God.  Why anything? God.  And 99% of the cool stuff we do today isn't that.  That bridge stays up because of carefully calculated tolerances on the behalf of several engineers.
 
2014-01-17 04:29:03 PM  

debug: Let them die. We're better off if these people don't have offspring.


i1.ytimg.com

Agrees
 
2014-01-17 04:30:12 PM  

yelmrog: Ugh.  I really love this state.  We're constantly in competition with Mississippi and Kansas over who can be the most backwards.


You had one senator introduce legislation, and one that is arguing again it. As far as your state is concerned, wouldn't that count as a wash so far?
 
2014-01-17 04:36:36 PM  

serpent_sky: If they believe in God and that God is SO in control of everything, how can they not believe that he gave people the knowledge and ability to practice medicine and save lives? There's such a huge disconnect there.


Anything they don't like is Satan's work, so...
 
2014-01-17 04:36:38 PM  

NeoAnderthal: Democrats only care about this story because of the religious implications. They don't care so much about dead children. There are plenty of cases to point that out.

cosleeping-deaths-in-milwaukee

No charges, ever.


I live with my mom
 
2014-01-17 04:38:50 PM  

Janusdog: itazurakko: EggSniper: The first amendment trumps any logical or scientific argument against people's 'right' to exercise their religion.  Unless and until a law declares that medicine and those that practice it (doctors) can accurately determine the lethality of a condition you're not going to be able to charge people with a crime when they let someone die of a disease.

And no one is asking for that, in the case of ADULTS.

But kids also have rights, including the right to life and the right to practice their own religion, which might differ from that of their parents.

So an argument can be (and very often is) made that the state has a role in ensuring a kid isn't killed by his parents' beliefs before he has the chance to enjoy his own rights as an adult.

If you want to practice faith healing only on yourself, or if you want to practice faith healing only for other ADULT members of your family (who theoretically are remaining with you of their own free will) you're 100% free to do so.

But you don't own your kids.  They are citizens in their own right and thus the state has an interest - because your kids, as citizens, have a relationship with the state that doesn't pass through you.

This is exactly what they think, and why child abuse laws were very difficult (and still are in many cases) to institute and enforce.   For every kid whose family is unfairly targeted, there are hundreds of parents who are allowed to continue to beat their kids up.  I used to have a case of a teenager whose parents figured out if they hit her around the head and didn't touch her face, she didn't have visible bruises and I wouldn't report them.  Unluckily for them I touched her head and she winced.  These parents do not see their children as individual beings with their own rights, and that is triply true amongst very religious families.


^THIS to the eleventy!!

Also unfair: Asking the kid, who is regularly abused and threatened daily, to report the abuse, or otherwise doing nothing about it.

/survived
 
2014-01-17 04:40:21 PM  

Tigger: It's a gerundive - they are one of my favorite things.


Me, too. Gerundives are right up there with Raindrops on roses and whiskers on kittens
Bright copper kettles and warm woolen mittens
Brown paper packages tied up with strings
 
2014-01-17 04:41:00 PM  

Tigger: tlars699: skozlaw: Religious rights, like all other rights, are not absolute and they can and should be curtailed in an appropriate manner when you begin to exercise them in ways that endanger others or otherwise impede others' rights.

This is not debatable.

blindio: So they believe in a god that is not powerful enough to call people to paradise if they're on antibiotics?


Sounds legit.

People who use medicine are evil and therefore going to hell so why would god be calling them up?

QED logic-guy. Q. E. To the motherfarking D.

I always see this as Quit and Eat Dinner, as that's what my math professors always said it was. The fark is it supposed to really mean?

Quod Erat Demonstrandum - That which was to have been demonstrated.

It's a gerundive - they are one of my favorite things.


Thank you! It always bugged me. :)
 
2014-01-17 04:42:06 PM  

ikanreed: centrifugal bumblepuppy: [wp.patheos.com.s3.amazonaws.com image 550x458]

Shakers don't exist anymore.


They do. Granted, there's only like 5 of em or something. But they're there.
 
2014-01-17 04:42:57 PM  

a particular individual: Tigger: It's a gerundive - they are one of my favorite things.

Me, too. Gerundives are right up there with Raindrops on roses and whiskers on kittens
Bright copper kettles and warm woolen mittens
Brown paper packages tied up with strings


*golf clap
 
2014-01-17 04:44:46 PM  

pacified: debug: Let them die. We're better off if these people don't have offspring.

[i1.ytimg.com image 480x360]

Agrees


Well played sir, well played!
 
2014-01-17 04:53:00 PM  

EggSniper: The first amendment trumps any logical or scientific argument against people's 'right' to exercise their religion.  Unless and until a law declares that medicine and those that practice it (doctors) can accurately determine the lethality of a condition you're not going to be able to charge people with a crime when they let someone die of a disease.


My, what a cogent, and utterly false analysis!

The last sentence a) doesn't make a lick of sense, and b) is simply factually wrong, as ten seconds os googling would have revealed:

http://www.pewforum.org/2009/08/31/faith-healing-and-the-law/

But thanks for playing!  Here are some lovely parting gifts.

(What's this hook doing in my mouth?)
 
2014-01-17 04:59:06 PM  

ikanreed: centrifugal bumblepuppy: [wp.patheos.com.s3.amazonaws.com image 550x458]

Shakers don't exist anymore.


Actually, they do.  A few people joined up in the 70s and 80s, when the last communities were dying out.

http://www.timesunion.com/local/article/One-of-last-Shakers-talks-ab ou t-the-life-4298710.php
 
2014-01-17 05:01:38 PM  
Pleaze. All "god' does is steal the credit for the good in mens' hearts, (and the credit for the consequences of good fortune), and side-step the blame for the bad/ the "unfortunate"/ the evil which "god" allegedly created. From the very first chapter in the bible, where "god" condemned every last child to death for the results of "god's" own negligence, to the gospels, where Jesus never worked a day in his life, "god" will have no truck with personal responsibility.

Except on your part. Somehow, you are held to a higher standard than an alleged all-knowing, all-powerful, deity.

Like Crocodile Dundee would say: Roiiiiiight.
 
2014-01-17 05:08:21 PM  
Welcome to my world.
 
2014-01-17 05:15:51 PM  

Nadie_AZ: A Republican lawmaker in Idaho is trying to stop a law aimed at preventing the deaths of children whose parents eschew medical treatment in favor of prayer. The Associated Press reportedthat state Rep. Christy Perry (R) believes that a law proposed by Democratic Rep. John Gannon violates religious freedom of families who believe God's will supercedes modern medicine.

Um

Gannon proposed the law after a string of deaths in Marsing, Idaho among the congregation of the Followers of Christ church. Autopsy reports of multiple children showed that their deaths could have been prevented by medical intervention. Instead, their bodies now lie in a cemetery overlooking the Snake River.

Next time you hear a 'pro lifer' argue, point that person to this article. Pro life? Hardly.


Reminds me of this flood parable I heard in Bible learnin' school:

A man was trapped in his house during a flood. He began praying to God to rescue him. He had a vision in his head of God's hand reaching down from heaven and lifting him to safety. The water started to rise in his house. His neighbour urged him to leave and offered him a ride to safety. The man yelled back, "I am waiting for God to save me." The neighbour drove off in his pick-up truck.

The man continued to pray and hold on to his vision. As the water began rising in his house, he had to climb up to the roof. A boat came by with some people heading for safe ground. They yelled at the man to grab a rope they were ready to throw and take him to safety. He told them that he was waiting for God to save him. They shook their heads and moved on.

The man continued to pray, believing with all his heart that he would be saved by God. The flood waters continued to rise. A helicopter flew by and a voice came over a loudspeaker offering to lower a ladder and take him off the roof. The man waved the helicopter away, shouting back that he was waiting for God to save him. The helicopter left. The flooding water came over the roof and caught him up and swept him away. He drowned.

When he reached heaven and asked, "God, why did you not save me? I believed in you with all my heart. Why did you let me drown?" God replied, "I sent you a pick-up truck, a boat and a helicopter and you refused all of them. What else could I possibly do for you?"
 
2014-01-17 05:28:53 PM  

what_now: NeoAnderthal: try that link again

http://www.wisn.com/news/south-east-wisconsin/milwaukee/debate-conti nu es-over-cosleeping-deaths-in-milwaukee/-/10148890/22124556/-/12l57ny/- /index.html

So...your argument is that accidental deaths due to co-sleeping, is the same as willful neglect? And somehow, the liberals are to blame?

We're you dropped on your head?


Co sleeping has a higher incidence of death than crib sleeping. Is that not willful neglect too?
 
2014-01-17 05:36:46 PM  
Using this morons logic, people should have the right to conduct human sacrifice, as long as their religion calls for it (and the victim is their own child).

clio.missouristate.edu
 
2014-01-17 05:40:01 PM  

Deucednuisance: EggSniper: The first amendment trumps any logical or scientific argument against people's 'right' to exercise their religion.  Unless and until a law declares that medicine and those that practice it (doctors) can accurately determine the lethality of a condition you're not going to be able to charge people with a crime when they let someone die of a disease.

My, what a cogent, and utterly false analysis!

The last sentence a) doesn't make a lick of sense, and b) is simply factually wrong, as ten seconds of googling would have revealed:

http://www.pewforum.org/2009/08/31/faith-healing-and-the-law/

But thanks for playing!  Here are some lovely parting gifts.

(What's this hook doing in my mouth?)


Interesting, though unfortunately (for my own benefit) your link doesn't address my concern, which as you pointed out I did not summarize very well.  Bear in mind that I am basing this on my own presumptions:

These people aren't just relying on faith to heal, they are denying science the opportunity.  Regardless of whether they believe faith absolutely will work or that it will work if it is meant to they also either believe science will not help (or even harm) or that it is morally wrong.  What I imagine (again, just an assumption) is that a legal argument could be made that a parent is not culpable in the death of a child if there was insufficient proof either that the child would die or that medical treatment would prevent it.

As a scientist I wouldn't be able to say, with absolute accuracy, whether a person was going to die of a disease without medical treatment.  I could certainly use the available data to estimate a probability, and that probability might be very high with very little variability, but it wouldn't be 100% (at least not if I was being honest).  My own cynicism prevents me from believing that any legislative body in this country is capable of defining liability in terms of probability and statistics, but that's just me.

I would certainly feel more secure if I knew the data were behind such weighty decisions, but apparently these matters have everything to do with which group kicks up the biggest stink about getting special treatment.  I hear homeopathic 'medicine' is making strides towards legitimacy.  Not by evidence, of course, just lots of whining.
 
2014-01-17 05:41:41 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: Grand_Moff_Joseph: The immediate rejoinder to that line of asinine thinking is:  "If God chooses whether or not we die, then explain how a God who claims to be compassionate and loving took over a dozen kids at Sandy Hook, execution-style.  What lesson should we all be taking from that?  Go on, we'll wait here for your answer."

Because of gay marriage.

Someone should convince these people they should prey instead of eating.  Obviously, if they die it's God's will.


Why would you prey and then not eat? That's just wasteful.
 
2014-01-17 05:41:57 PM  
We shouldn't have murder laws either. I am the will of god when I murder people.
 
2014-01-17 05:50:34 PM  
They let their kids die? So I guess this church wont be in existence within a handful of decades? Win/Win
 
2014-01-17 06:24:24 PM  

IdBeCrazyIf: a particular individual: Tigger: It's a gerundive - they are one of my favorite things.

Me, too. Gerundives are right up there with Raindrops on roses and whiskers on kittens
Bright copper kettles and warm woolen mittens
Brown paper packages tied up with strings

*golf clap


Gerunds and verbals and past participles,
Datives and adverbs and quivering nipples...
 
2014-01-17 06:24:53 PM  

Magorn: It reminds me of the old joke about the preacher and the flood:


Odd Bird: You know, you remind me of the man that lived by the river.


CrackpipeCardozo: Reminds me of this flood parable I heard in Bible learnin' school:


I see what you did there?
 
2014-01-17 06:27:45 PM  

ikanreed: mod3072: "I'm concerned any parent would put their religious beliefs ahead of child welfare," Will said. "It just stuns me."

Secret agnostic who claims to be Christian to get elected detected.  One of the core principles that drives religion is that it claims to be the most important thing in the universe.  Almost every religion contains that provision, and anyone who truly believed would make the same mistake.


So... Republican A says something moronic, Republican B completely disagrees, and you respond by lashing out at Christians in general. Well, at least you're not blinded by ideology like those idiots on the right.
 
2014-01-17 06:39:33 PM  

trippdogg: Using this morons logic, people should have the right to conduct human sacrifice, as long as their religion calls for it (and the victim is their own child).

[clio.missouristate.edu image 365x525]


Well, we wouldn't have Christianity without it.
 
2014-01-17 06:44:35 PM  

mod3072: ikanreed: mod3072: "I'm concerned any parent would put their religious beliefs ahead of child welfare," Will said. "It just stuns me."

Secret agnostic who claims to be Christian to get elected detected.  One of the core principles that drives religion is that it claims to be the most important thing in the universe.  Almost every religion contains that provision, and anyone who truly believed would make the same mistake.

So... Republican A says something moronic, Republican B completely disagrees, and you respond by lashing out at Christians in general. Well, at least you're not blinded by ideology like those idiots on the right.


I'm kind of confused by your comment. Isn't God supposed to come before all, including country and family? I swear I've been taught that many times in my life.
 
2014-01-17 06:53:00 PM  

Gone to Plaid: Magorn: It reminds me of the old joke about the preacher and the flood:

Odd Bird: You know, you remind me of the man that lived by the river.

CrackpipeCardozo: Reminds me of this flood parable I heard in Bible learnin' school:

I see what you did there?


Do I get points for the YT link and homage to Magporn's post?
 
2014-01-17 07:52:19 PM  

NeoAnderthal: Democrats only care about this story because of the religious implications. They don't care so much about dead children. There are plenty of cases to point that out.

cosleeping-deaths-in-milwaukee

No charges, ever.


Yes, libby libz rejoice in the murder of children, except when Real Murcans do it. So, so true.
 
2014-01-17 08:07:49 PM  

trickymoo: CSB;
I was a lifeguard for several years, and I remember distinctly two occurrences where THESE people were involved:

1) A child in a summer camp was running on the deck and ended up skinning their knee. Nothing outrageous. Put a band aid on and that was that. Within the next few days our manager had to explain that the childs' parent was livid as they were Christian Scientists. Ended up going no where as the parents of the child signed papers in order to put the child into camp, and etc, But that was the first time I'd heard of it. Late 90's


I'm not saying your little story here isn't true - it may be that you just happened to encounter the stupidest Christian Scientist ever - but I have some doubts. Christian Scientists have no issues with Band-Aids. Consider, for example, this page from the Principia College (a Christian Scientist school) website. Notice that while the first aid kits provided on campus include no painkillers or medications, they do include Band-Aids.

2) I wasn't there that day, but a little Vietnamese man was choking on something at our snack bar. When another patron tried to embrace him for the Heimlich, he freaked apparently and started throwing bows. He ended up throwing up on the deck and left in a big huffy.

Imagine that - a person who has just been through a traumatic and potentially life-threatening event displays evidence of agitation. I will certainly want to extrapolate from that event to characterize the beliefs and behaviors of a large group of people.

I worked with one for two years. He got the flu but refused all forms of meds and was out for almost 2 weeks. Came back like 30 lbs lighter.

NTTAWW their lifestyle, But these people are shiatballs insane.


Influenza typically lasts 5-7 days. "Almost two weeks" is a bit longer than usual, but not extraordinarily so. Furthermore, in many cases there is no effective treatment other than bed rest and fluids. Antiviral medications may ease the symptoms a bit, but only if administered within the first 48 hours.

I'm no fan of Christian Science, but your anecdotes here don't illustrate what you think they illustrate.
 
2014-01-17 08:29:44 PM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: No matter one's personal theology or lack thereof I think we all can agree that anyone who lets a child die of a treatable disease or injury will end up getting booked for the next thousand forevers in the suite by the poorly-maintained elevator in the wing of Hell Towers where the Rebecca Black concert never ends, the TV is permanently tuned to the Small Wonder marathon, the kitchen is out of everything but the Danny DeVito Anus Pie and the duodecahedron-penised rapenocerous just downed a Chevy-Tahoe-sized meth-and-Cialis capsule.


Holy f*ck.  Awesome.
 
2014-01-17 08:35:57 PM  

mod3072: ikanreed: mod3072: "I'm concerned any parent would put their religious beliefs ahead of child welfare," Will said. "It just stuns me."

Secret agnostic who claims to be Christian to get elected detected.  One of the core principles that drives religion is that it claims to be the most important thing in the universe.  Almost every religion contains that provision, and anyone who truly believed would make the same mistake.

So... Republican A says something moronic, Republican B completely disagrees, and you respond by lashing out at Christians in general. Well, at least you're not blinded by ideology like those idiots on the right.


What did I say about Christians?  I certainly implied something absolutely true about the bible, but that isn't the same.
 
2014-01-17 10:41:57 PM  

EggSniper: The first amendment trumps any logical or scientific argument against people's 'right' to exercise their religion... you're not going to be able to charge people with a crime when they let someone die of a disease



The First Amendment does not excuse religionists from generally applicable laws. States frequently prosecute people who allow their children to die from medical neglect, even when religion motivates the medical neglect. There is no First Amendment right to kill your child for religious reasons.

Some objectively evil states have decided to let religiously motivated child killers walk free. That's their prerogative, unfortunately. But that's an issue of state law, not federal constitutional law.

Ironically, most of the objectively evil states who do allow religiously motivated child killers to walk free also call themselves "pro-life." Clearly they are not. Yet another example of how "pro-lifers" immediately cease caring about children the moment they are born.
 
2014-01-17 10:52:35 PM  

mod3072: Nadie_AZ: Next time you hear a 'pro lifer' argue, point that person to this article. Pro life? Hardly.

clancifer: "Only God is in control of whether we live or die. Now, if you'll excuse me, my constituents need MOAR GUNS."

FlashHarry: i wonder what this asshole's views on sharia law are.

hungryhungryhorus: It's true, sometimes children are taken by preventable diseases like Measles, other times it's by mentally disturbed teens with access to rifles.  It's Gods will.  There's nothing that can be done about it.

Wow, Fark is really bringing on the stupid on a Friday. So far, we've managed to take a story about a single Republican state lawmaker being opposed to a law that is designed to deal with a tiny fringe group of religious nutbars to rant about abortion, gun control, anti-vaccers, and sharia law. Is there anything else you guys want to throw out there? I haven't seen anything about tax cuts or Obamacare yet. I'm sure there are a few other things that we can use this story as an excuse to mock.

Oh, and just for fun, there was one teeny, tiny detail that was in the original story that was linked in the article but that was somehow forgotten by the author of this fantastic example of journalistic integrity:

But Rep. Rich Wills, R-Glenns Ferry and chairman of the House Judiciary Committee where Gannon's bill could be introduced, said he is willing to consider updating faith-healing exemptions.
"I'm concerned any parent would put their religious beliefs ahead of child welfare," Will said. "It just stuns me."


Isolated Republican asshole, I guess.  We'll never seen on of these crazy R's again, I'm sure.  Thank you.
 
2014-01-18 07:13:07 AM  
I agree with Rep Perry. When Abraham went to kill his son because he heard the voice of God in his head, did the nanny state intervene? No! The only thing that saved his son's life was the voice in his head saying "just kidding, murder a sheep instead". And lo, Abraham saw that hunting was good, and that's how we got the Second Amendment. So we can't pass this law because it's just the first step on a slippery slope to the liberals taking our guns.
 
2014-01-18 07:35:42 AM  
The way I see it, a supreme being is neither good nor evil, but simply merciful. And that being is actually saving kids from a life being raised by people who would willingly let their children die of something preventable is an act of mercy.
 
2014-01-18 12:39:42 PM  

serpent_sky: If they believe in God and that God is SO in control of everything, how can they not believe that he gave people the knowledge and ability to practice medicine and save lives? There's such a huge disconnect there.



Ignorance is a hard thing to overcome.
 
2014-01-18 02:44:28 PM  
A Republican lawmaker in Idaho is trying to stop a law aimed at preventing the deaths of children whose parents eschew medical treatment in favor of prayer. The Associated Press reported that state Rep. Christy Perry (R) believes that a law proposed by Democratic Rep. John Gannon violates religious freedom of families who believe God's will supercedes modern medicine.

Gannon proposed the law after a string of deaths in Marsing, Idaho among the congregation of the Followers of Christ church. Autopsy reports of multiple children showed that their deaths could have been prevented by medical intervention. Instead, their bodies now lie in a cemetery overlooking the Snake River.


The other side of this coin are the people who sue to keep brain dead people on life support.
 
2014-01-18 09:30:48 PM  
Let me guess, he's a GOPer.

*click*

Yep.
 
2014-01-18 09:41:04 PM  

Nadie_AZ: A Republican lawmaker in Idaho is trying to stop a law aimed at preventing the deaths of children whose parents eschew medical treatment in favor of prayer. The Associated Press reportedthat state Rep. Christy Perry (R) believes that a law proposed by Democratic Rep. John Gannon violates religious freedom of families who believe God's will supercedes modern medicine.

Um

Gannon proposed the law after a string of deaths in Marsing, Idaho among the congregation of the Followers of Christ church. Autopsy reports of multiple children showed that their deaths could have been prevented by medical intervention. Instead, their bodies now lie in a cemetery overlooking the Snake River.

Next time you hear a 'pro lifer' argue, point that person to this article. Pro life? Hardly.


"Religion is an insult to human dignity. Without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion."
- Steven Weinberg
 
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