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(The Raw Story)   Idaho Lawmaker tries to block bill that would require parents to get medical treatment for sick kids instead of relying on prayer because ""This is.., the belief God is in charge of whether they live, and God is in charge of whether they die"   (rawstory.com) divider line 181
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2014-01-17 01:23:42 PM
We have come a long way.  It wasn't long ago that Darwin was the enemy, now they're embracing him and introducing legislation to help him continue his fine work of filtering the gene pool.
 
2014-01-17 01:26:29 PM
I saw this on Law and Order once.
 
2014-01-17 01:26:41 PM
A Republican lawmaker in Idaho is trying to stop a law aimed at preventing the deaths of children whose parents eschew medical treatment in favor of prayer. The Associated Press reportedthat state Rep. Christy Perry (R) believes that a law proposed by Democratic Rep. John Gannon violates religious freedom of families who believe God's will supercedes modern medicine.

Um

Gannon proposed the law after a string of deaths in Marsing, Idaho among the congregation of the Followers of Christ church. Autopsy reports of multiple children showed that their deaths could have been prevented by medical intervention. Instead, their bodies now lie in a cemetery overlooking the Snake River.

Next time you hear a 'pro lifer' argue, point that person to this article. Pro life? Hardly.
 
2014-01-17 01:30:51 PM
If they believe in God and that God is SO in control of everything, how can they not believe that he gave people the knowledge and ability to practice medicine and save lives? There's such a huge disconnect there.
 
2014-01-17 01:33:23 PM
Rep. Perry, do you think a man should have the same privilege as a sponge?
 
2014-01-17 01:34:33 PM
"Only God is in control of whether we live or die. Now, if you'll excuse me, my constituents need MOAR GUNS."
 
2014-01-17 01:35:00 PM
Rep. Perry, please step out in front of a speeding bus. By your reasoning, if God wants you to live, it won't hurt you.
 
2014-01-17 01:37:34 PM

serpent_sky: If they believe in God and that God is SO in control of everything, how can they not believe that he gave people the knowledge and ability to practice medicine and save lives? There's such a huge disconnect there.


Right? Either God has absolute control over everything and you shouldn't be wearing clothes or driving, or he gave people intelligence and the ability to better themselves and their fellow humans, therefore; medicine.

It's like these people just hate their children and want them to die miserably of preventable diseases.
 
2014-01-17 01:39:50 PM
Democrats only care about this story because of the religious implications. They don't care so much about dead children. There are plenty of cases to point that out.

cosleeping-deaths-in-milwaukee

No charges, ever.
 
2014-01-17 01:40:52 PM

Calmamity: serpent_sky: If they believe in God and that God is SO in control of everything, how can they not believe that he gave people the knowledge and ability to practice medicine and save lives? There's such a huge disconnect there.

Right? Either God has absolute control over everything and you shouldn't be wearing clothes or driving, or he gave people intelligence and the ability to better themselves and their fellow humans, therefore; medicine.

It's like these people just hate their children and want them to die miserably of preventable diseases.


I don't think it's that, I think it's just that they never stopped to think "I'm using this telephone. Hmmm. God didn't invent the telephone, Alexander Graham Bell did. But that's okay.  Medicine, though? Well, no way God would want me using THAT! He will heal me!" Why they don't think God would project their thoughts to their spouse to pick up milk at the store on the way home from work?  Why don't they milk a cow for that milk? It really, really doesn't add up.

How do they justify just about every other aspect of their existence that involves human inventions and interventions?
 
2014-01-17 01:42:05 PM
 
2014-01-17 01:45:03 PM
i wonder what this asshole's views on sharia law are.
 
2014-01-17 01:46:56 PM
He MIGHT have a point in the proposed law violating the religious liberty of the parents. He has NO case in objecting to the law because it "opposes God."
 
2014-01-17 01:47:01 PM
No matter one's personal theology or lack thereof I think we all can agree that anyone who lets a child die of a treatable disease or injury will end up getting booked for the next thousand forevers in the suite by the poorly-maintained elevator in the wing of Hell Towers where the Rebecca Black concert never ends, the TV is permanently tuned to the Small Wonder marathon, the kitchen is out of everything but the Danny DeVito Anus Pie and the duodecahedron-penised rapenocerous just downed a Chevy-Tahoe-sized meth-and-Cialis capsule.
 
2014-01-17 01:48:47 PM
Trust in God, but take your kids to the farking Doctor.
 
2014-01-17 01:50:30 PM

NeoAnderthal: try that link again

http://www.wisn.com/news/south-east-wisconsin/milwaukee/debate-conti nu es-over-cosleeping-deaths-in-milwaukee/-/10148890/22124556/-/12l57ny/- /index.html


So...your argument is that accidental deaths due to co-sleeping, is the same as willful neglect? And somehow, the liberals are to blame?

We're you dropped on your head?
 
2014-01-17 01:51:28 PM

Calmamity: It's like these people just hate their children and want them to die miserably of preventable diseases.


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If you're down the "God will cure all my ailments" path, you've probably long passed the "We'll just fark a lot and however many kids we get, we get" signpost as well.

Plus, you know....kid dies? Lots of free covered dishes from the neighbors!
 
2014-01-17 01:53:31 PM

what_now: We're you dropped on your head?


Lot's of childhood maladies, if not treated properly and in a timely manner, can cause irreparable brain damage if the child survives.

Just saying.
 
2014-01-17 01:54:08 PM
Take the sick kids to the hospital and their mentally ill parents to the looney bin.
 
2014-01-17 01:59:25 PM

Calmamity: Lot's of childhood maladies, if not treated properly and in a timely manner, can cause irreparable brain damage if the child survives.


Which explains the greater voting population of Utah, Alabama, Texas, Georgia, both Carolinas, etc, etc,
 
2014-01-17 01:59:52 PM
The immediate rejoinder to that line of asinine thinking is:  "If God chooses whether or not we die, then explain how a God who claims to be compassionate and loving took over a dozen kids at Sandy Hook, execution-style.  What lesson should we all be taking from that?  Go on, we'll wait here for your answer."
 
2014-01-17 02:00:06 PM

NeoAnderthal: try that link again

http://www.wisn.com/news/south-east-wisconsin/milwaukee/debate-conti nu es-over-cosleeping-deaths-in-milwaukee/-/10148890/22124556/-/12l57ny/- /index.html


Who are the "liberals" in that story?
 
2014-01-17 02:00:18 PM

what_now: NeoAnderthal: try that link again

http://www.wisn.com/news/south-east-wisconsin/milwaukee/debate-conti nu es-over-cosleeping-deaths-in-milwaukee/-/10148890/22124556/-/12l57ny/- /index.html

So...your argument is that accidental deaths due to co-sleeping, is the same as willful neglect? And somehow, the liberals are to blame?

We're you dropped on your head?



Daily. And still.
 
2014-01-17 02:18:38 PM
Best quote on this topic ever "God is my co-pilot, but science is my mechanic"


Can remember where I got that.
 
2014-01-17 02:22:14 PM

NeoAnderthal: try that link again

http://www.wisn.com/news/south-east-wisconsin/milwaukee/debate-conti nu es-over-cosleeping-deaths-in-milwaukee/-/10148890/22124556/-/12l57ny/- /index.html


You, Sir, are a buffoon among imbeciles. A dunce among dumbasses.
 
2014-01-17 02:27:05 PM

serpent_sky: If they believe in God and that God is SO in control of everything, how can they not believe that he gave people the knowledge and ability to practice medicine and save lives? There's such a huge disconnect there.


 I have made that precise argument to more than one hardcore evangelical in a mostly vain attempt to convince them that Science and Christianity are in no way incompatible and in fact Western science was developed BECAUSE of Christianity*. I point out that when Jesus prophesier in Matthew 17:
These signs will accompany those who have believed: in My name they will cast out demons, they will speak with new tongues;  18they will pick up serpents, and if they drink any deadly poison, it will not hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover."

That this was NOT as the "Snake Handlers" would have it, a magical grant of power, but a foretelling of the wonders that science would eventually bring. as we can do all those things now thanks to science.

To see the hand of God in all creation EXCEPT modern medicine is deeply irrational to me,   It reminds me of the old joke about the preacher and the flood:


It was flooding in California. As the flood waters were rising, a pastor was on the stoop of his church and another man in a row boat came by. The man in the row boat told the preacher  to get in and he'd save him. The Preacher   said:
"no, I havefaith in God and I know he will provide".

 The flood waters kept rising and the preacher had to go to the choir loft of the church. A man in a motor boat came by and told the preacher to get in because he had come to rescue him. The preacher said "no thank you. My faith is strong and I trust in god to rescue me"

 The flood waters kept rising. Pretty soon they were up to the steeple of theChurch and thepreacher was left clinging to it for dear life.  A helicopter then came by, lowered a rope and the pilot shouted down in  to climb up the rope because thehelicopter had come to rescue him.

The preacher refused, saying God was testing him but his faith wasunshakable and he knew god would save him.  The flood waters kept rising and preacher  drowned. When he got to heaven, he asked God where he went wrong. He told God that he had perfect faith in Him,  So why had God had let him drown?

God says to the man
"What more do you want from me?, I sent you two boats and a helicopter."


*(Monotheism is somewhat pre-requisite to believing that universe in the world operate in a rational, predictable and repeatable.   Unless you believe that god is irrational or psychotic, you will assume that there is a rational pattern to his actions, searching after those "natural laws" by Aquinas and others led to the development of the logical tools that became the, eventually, the scientific method)
 
2014-01-17 02:29:38 PM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: The immediate rejoinder to that line of asinine thinking is:  "If God chooses whether or not we die, then explain how a God who claims to be compassionate and loving took over a dozen kids at Sandy Hook, execution-style.  What lesson should we all be taking from that?  Go on, we'll wait here for your answer."


Thant God thinks it's long past time we joined the rest of the civilized world in enacting robus federal restrictions on private ownership of firearms?  I seem to remember God and the NRA had a big mesy falling out abut the time Wayne LaPierre took over as chairman
 
2014-01-17 02:32:12 PM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: No matter one's personal theology or lack thereof I think we all can agree that anyone who lets a child die of a treatable disease or injury will end up getting booked for the next thousand forevers in the suite by the poorly-maintained elevator in the wing of Hell Towers where the Rebecca Black concert never ends, the TV is permanently tuned to the Small Wonder marathon, the kitchen is out of everything but the Danny DeVito Anus Pie and the duodecahedron-penised rapenocerous just downed a Chevy-Tahoe-sized meth-and-Cialis capsule.


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2014-01-17 02:51:56 PM
If you don't believe that the government can/should be used to protect children, then perhaps you should find yourself another career.

I hear that we have openings for cannon fodder.
 
2014-01-17 02:53:38 PM
biglegalmessrecords.com

"Didn't  mean to kill him. I just shot him. Him dying was between him and the Almighty."
 
2014-01-17 02:54:32 PM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: No matter one's personal theology or lack thereof I think we all can agree that anyone who lets a child die of a treatable disease or injury will end up getting booked for the next thousand forevers in the suite by the poorly-maintained elevator in the wing of Hell Towers where the Rebecca Black concert never ends, the TV is permanently tuned to the Small Wonder marathon, the kitchen is out of everything but the Danny DeVito Anus Pie and the duodecahedron-penised rapenocerous just downed a Chevy-Tahoe-sized meth-and-Cialis capsule.


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2014-01-17 02:54:39 PM
Because what God loves is dead babies.  How many "Christians" are aware that they're actually worshiping Nurgle?
 
2014-01-17 02:54:50 PM
Awesome.  Predestination trumps human decency.
 
2014-01-17 02:55:08 PM
Ugh.  I really love this state.  We're constantly in competition with Mississippi and Kansas over who can be the most backwards.
 
2014-01-17 02:55:28 PM
Chalk up another point in favor of "There is no such thing as a moral Republican"
 
2014-01-17 02:56:58 PM
Well, this could only serve to strengthen the gene pool in the long term. Stupid people letting their kids die and all.
 
2014-01-17 02:57:15 PM
Pray for your own health and Darwin-like consequences are acceptable but making your children suffer and die for your beliefs not so acceptable.
 
2014-01-17 02:57:30 PM
"Pro-Life"
 
2014-01-17 02:57:50 PM
Objective reality disagrees with your religion?  Who cares?  Just kill your kids anyways!
 
2014-01-17 02:58:00 PM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: The immediate rejoinder to that line of asinine thinking is:  "If God chooses whether or not we die, then explain how a God who claims to be compassionate and loving took over a dozen kids at Sandy Hook, execution-style.  What lesson should we all be taking from that?  Go on, we'll wait here for your answer."


Because god is an asshole.
 
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2014-01-17 02:58:03 PM
stop electing idiots.
 
2014-01-17 02:58:32 PM

serpent_sky: Calmamity: serpent_sky: If they believe in God and that God is SO in control of everything, how can they not believe that he gave people the knowledge and ability to practice medicine and save lives? There's such a huge disconnect there.

Right? Either God has absolute control over everything and you shouldn't be wearing clothes or driving, or he gave people intelligence and the ability to better themselves and their fellow humans, therefore; medicine.

It's like these people just hate their children and want them to die miserably of preventable diseases.

I don't think it's that, I think it's just that they never stopped to think "I'm using this telephone. Hmmm. God didn't invent the telephone, Alexander Graham Bell did. But that's okay.  Medicine, though? Well, no way God would want me using THAT! He will heal me!" Why they don't think God would project their thoughts to their spouse to pick up milk at the store on the way home from work?  Why don't they milk a cow for that milk? It really, really doesn't add up.

How do they justify just about every other aspect of their existence that involves human inventions and interventions?


What if God wanted them to go to the hospital?... unless the message is nah... just go ahead and die but you had the choice
 
2014-01-17 02:58:32 PM
You know, you remind me of the man that lived by the river. He heard a radio report that the river was going to rush up and flood the town. And that all the residents should evacuate their homes.
But the man said, "I'm religious. I pray. God loves me. God will save me."
The waters rose up. A guy in a row boat came along and he shouted, "Hey, hey you! You in there. The town is flooding. Let me take you to safety."
But the man shouted back, "I'm religious. I pray. God loves me. God will save me."
A helicopter was hovering overhead. And a guy with a megaphone shouted, "Hey you, you down there. The town is flooding. Let me drop this ladder and I'll take you to safety."
But the man shouted back that he was religious, that he prayed, that God loved him and that God will take him to safety.
Well... the man drowned. And standing at the gates of St. Peter, he demanded an audience with God. "Lord," he said, "I'm a religious man, I pray. I thought you loved me. Why did this happen?" God said, "I sent you a radio report, a helicopter, and a guy in a rowboat. What the hell are you doing here?"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QX6wOOJy0hk

/not religious
 
2014-01-17 02:58:33 PM

Tricky Chicken: Well, this could only serve to strengthen the gene pool in the long term. Stupid people letting their kids die and all.


The difference being that a child cannot consent to being a morally bankrupt subhuman shiatstain. An adult conservative like this guy can.
 
2014-01-17 02:58:39 PM
Oregon just said fark it, passed the law change, and started charge these parents with neglect.

We had something like 10 kids die in 2 years due to this neglect.
 
2014-01-17 02:59:17 PM
Yet the GOP is against abortion
 
2014-01-17 03:00:50 PM
Let them die. We're better off if these people don't have offspring.
 
2014-01-17 03:01:08 PM
The next time a kid dies or suffers permanent damage as a result of their dumbshiat parents believing invisible magic would save their crotchfruit, send HIM to jail alongside the parents. It's only fair.
 
2014-01-17 03:01:11 PM

OgreMagi: Grand_Moff_Joseph: The immediate rejoinder to that line of asinine thinking is:  "If God chooses whether or not we die, then explain how a God who claims to be compassionate and loving took over a dozen kids at Sandy Hook, execution-style.  What lesson should we all be taking from that?  Go on, we'll wait here for your answer."

Because god is an asshole.


If people would read their Old Testament they would be pretty clear on this fact.
 
2014-01-17 03:01:38 PM
Magorn:
To see the hand of God in all creation EXCEPT modern medicine is deeply irrational to me,   It reminds me of the old joke about the preacher and the flood:

Well crap, I didn't see that before I posted.  My bad.
 
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