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(The Wire)   Though it's difficult to see how that's possible, new surgeon general's report say that smoking is even WORSE for you than previously thought; linking it to diabetes complications, birth defects, auto-immune diseases, and even tuberculosis   (thewire.com) divider line 137
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2014-01-17 11:38:34 AM
POPPY COCK AND BALDERDASH.

I have a report here from the Heartland Institute, a group which is of immense repute I assure you, Sir, that says smoking actually contributes to long life, cures cancer, and makes your heart stronger.

Your "scientific research" is just part of Big Government, Sir! Wake up, sheeplemitter.
 
2014-01-17 12:02:42 PM
So? Anybody still smoking obviously doesn't give a shiat.
 
2014-01-17 12:03:29 PM
Yep, that's what it say.
 
2014-01-17 12:03:31 PM
Does it cause assholes too, or do smokers just start out that way?

/the smoke doesn't magically disappear just because your outside
// amazed at how often smokers are offended when I politely ask them not to light up since it's blowing right at me
 
2014-01-17 12:06:43 PM
Hard to imagine that constantly inhaling smoke particles from industrially processed plant leaves that can be used as an insecticide could be harmful. The amazing list of additives in cigarettes compared to plain old tobacco leaves is really super not healthy.
 
2014-01-17 12:06:47 PM
Wait a minute...smoking is bad for you?!
 
2014-01-17 12:06:52 PM

hardinparamedic: POPPY COCK AND BALDERDASH.

I have a report here from the Heartland Institute, a group which is of immense repute I assure you, Sir, that says smoking actually contributes to long life, cures cancer, and makes your heart stronger.

Your "scientific research" is just part of Big Government, Sir! Wake up, sheeplemitter.


It's crazy to me that I haven't started seeing crazy rants comparing rationalwiki to conservapedia.
 
2014-01-17 12:08:20 PM

Crudbucket: So? Anybody still smoking obviously doesn't give a shiat.


*ding*, nailed it.

The generation that grew up thinking smoking was 'ok' has pretty much all died of of old age, or smoking related illnesses.

If you're smoking now, you knew the risks before you started, and did it anyway.

BTW, I have no problems with smokers.
 
2014-01-17 12:08:20 PM
wellmedicated.com

Seriously, quit smoking tobacco now. Switch to synthetic marijuana.
 
2014-01-17 12:08:21 PM
Wow, smoking is as bad for you as being obese...
 
2014-01-17 12:09:25 PM

m3000: Does it cause assholes too, or do smokers just start out that way?

/the smoke doesn't magically disappear just because your outside
// amazed at how often smokers are offended when I politely ask them not to light up since it's blowing right at me


I guess that's much easier than just moving upwind from them.  Do you also politely ask drivers to not allow their cars to run around you?
 
2014-01-17 12:09:48 PM

ikanreed: It's crazy to me that I haven't started seeing crazy rants comparing rationalwiki to conservapedia.


Oh, they're out there. Mainly from people who are hurt about their "State of Conservapedia" this week features.

The good thing is, however, the history of the heartland institute and their whoring of the "healthiness of smoking", back before they got into climate change denialism, is well documented.
 
2014-01-17 12:10:10 PM
Somebody tell Jenny McCarthy that second-hand smoke causes autism. We'll have every mouth-breathing home schooler aboard the anti-smoking train before you can say, "No, it doesn't, farknuts."
 
2014-01-17 12:11:49 PM
sounds like they're gearing up for another round of taxes
you know for the chirruns
 
2014-01-17 12:12:11 PM

stevenboof: m3000: Does it cause assholes too, or do smokers just start out that way?

/the smoke doesn't magically disappear just because your outside
// amazed at how often smokers are offended when I politely ask them not to light up since it's blowing right at me

I guess that's much easier than just moving upwind from them.  Do you also politely ask drivers to not allow their cars to run around you?


I'm sure it's always blowing right at him, no matter where he's standing
 
2014-01-17 12:12:38 PM
Thanks Obama.
 
2014-01-17 12:12:40 PM
Why does the media have such a bias against smoking?

I mean, you never hear any POSITIVE stories about it. Just once, could they remind us that smoking makes you look cool?

C'mon, now.
 
2014-01-17 12:15:14 PM
Cigarettes will actually chase you down the street, beat you up, and steal your lunch money.
 
2014-01-17 12:15:34 PM
So basically, smoking can cause every known malady to mankind except anal seepage.... well, that's good news at least.
 
2014-01-17 12:15:52 PM
This is why I limit myself to binge drinking.
 
2014-01-17 12:15:56 PM

BarryTheMasterOfSandwich: Why does the media have such a bias against smoking?

I mean, you never hear any POSITIVE stories about it. Just once, could they remind us that smoking makes you look cool?

C'mon, now.


I read somewhere (Freakonomics?) that kids don't start smoking because it looks cool. They do it because the actually cool kids (who are born risk takers and leaders) smoke, so they think it makes them look like the cool kids.

I give people a pass who started smoking in 6th grade the way a lot of my friends in Tennessee did (tobacco growing state; they were chewing tobacco in 4th grade). No 12-year-old is really responsible for that kind of decision-making. But the people who start smoking in college? They need a good nutpunch.
 
2014-01-17 12:16:50 PM
Is it really the smoking or is all the chemical additives?
 
2014-01-17 12:17:01 PM

hardinparamedic: ikanreed: It's crazy to me that I haven't started seeing crazy rants comparing rationalwiki to conservapedia.

Oh, they're out there. Mainly from people who are hurt about their "State of Conservapedia" this week features.

The good thing is, however, the history of the heartland institute and their whoring of the "healthiness of smoking", back before they got into climate change denialism, is well documented.


I just can't imagine being an academic roped into using your years of hard work getting a PhD for putting a nice label on lies.  I get the institute, but I don't get the people who work there.
 
2014-01-17 12:17:08 PM
Well, smoking makes you look cool. I guess if you're happy being a square who prefers being physically healthy than socially adored, then sure, don't light up. But if you're a rebel at heart who likes to live on the edge and gains the adoration and attention of everyone else who is cool, then get your ass down to the convenience store and get yourself a hard pack of Marlboros.
 
2014-01-17 12:17:09 PM

FunkOut: Hard to imagine that constantly inhaling smoke particles from industrially processed plant leaves that can be used as an insecticide could be harmful.


Look, we get it that smoking is bad, but the fact that nicotine is used by plants as a defense against insects isn't in of itself anything to freak out about.

This just makes you sound like one of those ZOMG CHEMICALS people.  I would avoid it.
 
2014-01-17 12:17:23 PM

Heamer: Wait a minute...smoking is bad for you?!



When I first heard that, you could have knocked me over with a cigar.
 
2014-01-17 12:17:32 PM
While I am glad I quit smoking...cigs about 20 years ago, eliminating even my occasional cigar a couple years back...I can't take anything seriously that is being said by someone name Boris. No matter what he says, I always just hear "Moose and Squirrel."
 
2014-01-17 12:18:43 PM

Weatherkiss: Well, smoking makes you look cool. I guess if you're happy being a square who prefers being physically healthy than socially adored, then sure, don't light up. But if you're a rebel at heart who likes to live on the edge and gains the adoration and attention of everyone else who is cool, then get your ass down to the convenience store and get yourself a hard pack of Marlboros.


Smoking makes you thin while it kills you too, so it has that going for it.
 
2014-01-17 12:18:58 PM

ikanreed: I just can't imagine being an academic roped into using your years of hard work getting a PhD for putting a nice label on lies.  I get the institute, but I don't get the people who work there.


If you notice a running theme with their "Experts", they all tend to also be deeply embroiled in right winged political punditry as a rule.

Plus, from what I understand, the pay is exceptionally well. Phillip Morris, and later, Exxon Mobil paid these people very well for their services and whitepapers.
 
2014-01-17 12:19:06 PM

m3000: Does it cause assholes too, or do smokers just start out that way?

/the smoke doesn't magically disappear just because your outside
// amazed at how often smokers are offended when I politely ask them not to light up since it's blowing right at me


My wants > your wants + I need my next nicotine fix = asshat smoker.

The one's who realize that most non smokers find the effects of their drug addiction (smell from smoke, etc) to be something from unpleasant to vile tend to be kind enough to stick to the golden rule. Don't annoy others as you wouldn't want to be annoyed. They're not smoke around others or stand downwind or something to that effect.

It's the entitled dick bags who I have a problem with. The ones who think that their desire to smoke comes before all, that no one could possible find it to be so offensive to their senses, and that you simply don't matter when their wants come into play that need to die in a fire.

Smokers, please remember that the smell lingers. You might not be able to smell it anymore, as your often engulfed in it and your senses deaden to it, but non smokers absolutely can. It embeds itself in your clothes, in your car, and in the very walls. I used to be able to tell which co-worker was walking behind me at my desk fresh from a smoke break by what kind of cigarettes they smelled like. My mom had a box of documents in her bedroom in a cabinet. She used to smoke in there a lot. Years later, when that box spent a decade in storage I opened it to look for something and was hit hard by the smell of cigarette smoke. My ex knew when I came back from visiting my mom because she could smell the lingering smoke on my clothes simply from being in her house.

Many of us find it to be quite unpleasant. If you don't then don't be a douche about it. It's no different than complaining about the person in the next apartment playing loud music all night.

Smoking has ZERO positive effects. It only as negative effects. And no, the calming effect or pleasurable rush you get from taking a drag is not a positive effect. The temporary removal of withdraw symptoms is not the same as an actual good thing.

Seriously, all smoking does is worsen your health and bother others. What the point? Why continue to do it? Although I know the most common reasons. Because breaking addiction is too hard and/or they just don't care.

Meh.
 
2014-01-17 12:19:08 PM
~~Denis Leary: It doesn't matter how big the warnings on the cigarettes are; you could have a black pack, with a skull and crossbones on the front, called TUMORS, and smokers would be around the block going, "I can't wait to get my hands on these farking things! I bet ya get a tumor as soon as you light up!"

//while it may help discourage some, there will always be people who smoke no matter what the consequence.
//just like many other negative behaviours that humans engage
 
2014-01-17 12:20:13 PM

extroverted_suicide: This is why I limit myself to binge drinking.


Between that and the green dragon I don't need no steenk'n cigarettes.
 
2014-01-17 12:21:03 PM
People who hate smoking are insignificant Walter Mitty's and are best off simply ignored.
 
2014-01-17 12:21:24 PM

Perrybucsdad: So basically, smoking can cause every known malady to mankind except anal seepage.... well, that's good news at least.



Don't be such a tight-ass.
 
2014-01-17 12:21:29 PM

KarmicDisaster: Weatherkiss: Well, smoking makes you look cool. I guess if you're happy being a square who prefers being physically healthy than socially adored, then sure, don't light up. But if you're a rebel at heart who likes to live on the edge and gains the adoration and attention of everyone else who is cool, then get your ass down to the convenience store and get yourself a hard pack of Marlboros.

Smoking makes you thin while it kills you too, so it has that going for it.


I had a friend who started smoking last week, and this week he found a crisp $20 bill in his sofa cushions.
 
2014-01-17 12:22:08 PM

stevenboof: m3000: Does it cause assholes too, or do smokers just start out that way?

/the smoke doesn't magically disappear just because your outside
// amazed at how often smokers are offended when I politely ask them not to light up since it's blowing right at me

I guess that's much easier than just moving upwind from them.  Do you also politely ask drivers to not allow their cars to run around you?


I agree with you to a point.

But people who light up while waiting in a line are selfish pricks.
 
2014-01-17 12:23:14 PM

flynn80: Is it really the smoking or is all the chemical additives?


Oh, goddamn this stupid shiat so much. TOBACCO SMOKE IS TOXIC AS HELL. Farking' stupid hipsters trying to act healthy by smoking artisanal organic tobacco should be stomped into a mudhole.
 
2014-01-17 12:23:52 PM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Crudbucket: So? Anybody still smoking obviously doesn't give a shiat.

*ding*, nailed it.

The generation that grew up thinking smoking was 'ok' has pretty much all died of of old age, or smoking related illnesses.

If you're smoking now, you knew the risks before you started, and did it anyway.

BTW, I have no problems with smokers.


Well that whole "incredibly addictive" thing doesn't hurt either.   My parents , at least for my whole life were fairly rabid anti-smokers, Dad in particular couldn't even stand to be in a smoky room because of his chronic Asthma.  Come to find out, they were both formerly heavy smokers and quit when mom got regnant with me  (though I have four older siblings).  Dad told me once recently that even though it has been over 40 years since he last lit up, if he wakes up groggy he'll find himself unconsciously reaching on the nightstand for the lighter and pack of cigs he used to keep there.
 
2014-01-17 12:24:25 PM
The real crime about smoking is the high amount of taxes on each pack.
 
2014-01-17 12:24:37 PM
Smoking is endorsed by top-notch athletes, Mr. "Waaahhhh.! Smoke bothers me!" - girly man.

meristemi.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-01-17 12:26:01 PM

CtrlAltDestroy: m3000: Does it cause assholes too, or do smokers just start out that way?

/the smoke doesn't magically disappear just because your outside
// amazed at how often smokers are offended when I politely ask them not to light up since it's blowing right at me

My wants > your wants + I need my next nicotine fix = asshat smoker.

The one's who realize that most non smokers find the effects of their drug addiction (smell from smoke, etc) to be something from unpleasant to vile tend to be kind enough to stick to the golden rule. Don't annoy others as you wouldn't want to be annoyed. They're not smoke around others or stand downwind or something to that effect.

It's the entitled dick bags who I have a problem with. The ones who think that their desire to smoke comes before all, that no one could possible find it to be so offensive to their senses, and that you simply don't matter when their wants come into play that need to die in a fire.

Smokers, please remember that the smell lingers. You might not be able to smell it anymore, as your often engulfed in it and your senses deaden to it, but non smokers absolutely can. It embeds itself in your clothes, in your car, and in the very walls. I used to be able to tell which co-worker was walking behind me at my desk fresh from a smoke break by what kind of cigarettes they smelled like. My mom had a box of documents in her bedroom in a cabinet. She used to smoke in there a lot. Years later, when that box spent a decade in storage I opened it to look for something and was hit hard by the smell of cigarette smoke. My ex knew when I came back from visiting my mom because she could smell the lingering smoke on my clothes simply from being in her house.

Many of us find it to be quite unpleasant. If you don't then don't be a douche about it. It's no different than complaining about the person in the next apartment playing loud music all night.

Smoking has ZERO positive effects. It only as negative effects. And no, the calming eff ...


Do you notice the difference between your post and  m300?  Yours clearly differentiates between asshole smokers and non-assholes, unlike m3000 who just wants to call every smoker an asshole.  When I smoke at work, I don't light up until I am about five feet from the garbage dumpster, yet to him/her, I am still an asshole.
 
2014-01-17 12:26:20 PM
You know what smokers like? When they light up near you, and you roll your eyes and give them the "Really? Are you that farking retarded?" look. They love that.
 
2014-01-17 12:27:24 PM

Perrybucsdad: So basically, smoking can cause every known malady to mankind except anal seepage.... well, that's good news at least.


It's like reverse Snake-oil or something...perhaps we can sell in in a travelling anti-medicine show...
 
2014-01-17 12:28:13 PM

offmymeds: Smoking is endorsed by top-notch athletes, Mr. "Waaahhhh.! Smoke bothers me!" - girly man.

[meristemi.files.wordpress.com image 486x700]



That thin guy is being chased by a hungry fat guy. RUN, THIN GUY, RUN!
 
2014-01-17 12:28:13 PM

Rapmaster2000: FunkOut: Hard to imagine that constantly inhaling smoke particles from industrially processed plant leaves that can be used as an insecticide could be harmful.

Look, we get it that smoking is bad, but the fact that nicotine is used by plants as a defense against insects isn't in of itself anything to freak out about.

This just makes you sound like one of those ZOMG CHEMICALS people.  I would avoid it.


No, it doesn't. That hysterical panicky tone is something you imagined. Try reading it in a dry, sarcastic tone. Seriously, inhaling smoke particles from a chemically treated inedible plant? Very silly idea.

I'm speaking as a gardener and someone who took biology courses pertaining to agricultural pest management. Speaking of pesticides, tobacco needs a heavy hand with the sprays to keep away aphids - those little buggers will bite the leaves, leaving open sores than can be gateways for tobacco mosaic virus, that prolific decimator of Solancaea crops.
 
2014-01-17 12:28:33 PM
I only dated one smoker in my life, briefly. It was like kissing a wet ashtray. Yuck.

Sad Story Bro: My dad smoked for 30 years, then quit for another 30 years. Lung cancer got him anyway.
 
2014-01-17 12:29:31 PM

Rapmaster2000: FunkOut: Hard to imagine that constantly inhaling smoke particles from industrially processed plant leaves that can be used as an insecticide could be harmful.

Look, we get it that smoking is bad, but the fact that nicotine is used by plants as a defense against insects isn't in of itself anything to freak out about.

This just makes you sound like one of those ZOMG CHEMICALS people.  I would avoid it.


Not quite the same thing.  Nicotine is actually pretty toxic and in relatively low quantities.
 
2014-01-17 12:30:01 PM
And they have been actively working to make them worse. Nice.
 
2014-01-17 12:31:02 PM

ToastmasterGeneral: stevenboof: m3000: Does it cause assholes too, or do smokers just start out that way?

/the smoke doesn't magically disappear just because your outside
// amazed at how often smokers are offended when I politely ask them not to light up since it's blowing right at me

I guess that's much easier than just moving upwind from them.  Do you also politely ask drivers to not allow their cars to run around you?

I agree with you to a point.

But people who light up while waiting in a line are selfish pricks.


There is a certain subset of the smoking population that are selfish pricks, just like every other group out there.  That being said, maybe places like restaurants and bars could put their ashtrays ten feet or so away from the entrance of the building so I don't feel like an ass for smoking right at the entrance.
 
2014-01-17 12:32:07 PM

m3000: Does it cause assholes too, or do smokers just start out that way?

/the smoke doesn't magically disappear just because your outside
// amazed at how often smokers are offended when I politely ask them not to light up since it's blowing right at me


Oh, god.

Stand somewhere else and get on with your life. You sound like my sister.
 
2014-01-17 12:32:14 PM
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2014-01-17 12:32:54 PM

ReverendJynxed: And they have been actively working to make them worse. Nice.



Cigarettes are now the size of road flares.

CHARGE US $5.85 PER PACK NOW, SUCKERS!
 
2014-01-17 12:33:11 PM

MrBallou: I only dated one smoker in my life, briefly. It was like kissing a wet ashtray. Yuck.

Sad Story Bro: My dad smoked for 30 years, then quit for another 30 years. Lung cancer got him anyway.


Not to make light of it but unless he started smoking at age 12 he probably beat the average life expectancy.
 
2014-01-17 12:33:36 PM

m3000: Does it cause assholes too, or do smokers just start out that way?

/the smoke doesn't magically disappear just because your outside
// amazed at how often smokers are offended when I politely ask them not to light up since it's blowing right at me


You sound like more of an asshole than any reformed smoker I've ever met. Could you not post while I'm in here? It bothers me.
 
2014-01-17 12:34:06 PM
I don't understand this.  If tuberculosis is caused by a bacteria, how does smoking also cause it?  Is the SG saying the smoking weakens the immune system and leads to tuberculosis more easily?  That would make more sense, than saying smoking causes TB.
 
2014-01-17 12:35:08 PM

Onkel Buck: m3000: Does it cause assholes too, or do smokers just start out that way?

/the smoke doesn't magically disappear just because your outside
// amazed at how often smokers are offended when I politely ask them not to light up since it's blowing right at me

You sound like more of an asshole than any reformed smoker I've ever met. Could you not post while I'm in here? It bothers me.



What if he moves downthread to post?
 
2014-01-17 12:36:57 PM

marsgwar: I don't understand this.  If tuberculosis is caused by a bacteria, how does smoking also cause it?  Is the SG saying the smoking weakens the immune system and leads to tuberculosis more easily?  That would make more sense, than saying smoking causes TB.


Yes, kind of like saying open sores cause staph infections or walking around with bacon on your butt will get you dog bites.
 
2014-01-17 12:37:13 PM
Also, most of the people who get lung cancer from radon gas are smokers. The two carcinogenic effects combine to greatly increase mortality. Radon gas is the main cause of lung cancer among non-smokers, although second hand smoke contributes.

http://www.epa.gov/radon/healthrisks.html#head

The above link has a nice table of the risks from smoking and exposure to radon.

For example, if you expose 1,000 smokers to a high level of radon (20 pCi/L) about 260 of them would get lung cancer, which is about 250 times the risk of drowning. At one tenth of the above level of exposure (2 pCi/L) , about 32 people would get cancer, about 5 times the risk of dying by poisoning.

At 0.4 pCi/L, which is to say outdoor levels of Radon, only 3 people would get cancer.

The risk of cancer among non-smokers is much lower. 36 versus 260, 4 versus 32, and 0 versus 3 for the levels noted above.

The moral is clear. Don't smoke and stay the Hell out of your Mother's Basement, you little troll. You get to choose a death from something more interesting or perhaps less painful than lung cancer. You might even get a Fark headline if you're stupid enough.
 
2014-01-17 12:38:05 PM

Onkel Buck: m3000: Does it cause assholes too, or do smokers just start out that way?

/the smoke doesn't magically disappear just because your outside
// amazed at how often smokers are offended when I politely ask them not to light up since it's blowing right at me

You sound like more of an asshole than any reformed smoker I've ever met. Could you not post while I'm in here? It bothers me.


Probably dumps a bottle or two of cheap cologne or aftershave and makes EVERYONE sick.

/Can't even take an elevator after these smelly, inconsiderate, "let me share my perfume with everyone!" people. They're even less considerate than the jerks who don't turn off the LOUD, BASS-THUMPING music at the gas pump or drive-thru.
 
2014-01-17 12:38:17 PM

Crudbucket: So? Anybody still smoking obviously doesn't give a shiat.


This, I'm trying to run out the clock and die as fast as possible. Stop trying to make me live to 90.
 
2014-01-17 12:42:32 PM

hobnail: MrBallou: I only dated one smoker in my life, briefly. It was like kissing a wet ashtray. Yuck.

Sad Story Bro: My dad smoked for 30 years, then quit for another 30 years. Lung cancer got him anyway.

Not to make light of it but unless he started smoking at age 12 he probably beat the average life expectancy.


True, he was 76, but the lung cancer was the aggressive type you typically see in smokers and I believe (but obviously can't prove) that it was from the smoking. He thought he had dodged that particular bullet.

My intended point is that the effects can be felt for a long time after you stop. Take home message: don't ever start, kids.
 
2014-01-17 12:42:56 PM

CtrlAltDestroy: Seriously, all smoking does is worsen your health and bother others. What the point? Why continue to do it?


No, that's not all it does. It is enjoyable. Nicotine is a stimulant.
 
2014-01-17 12:43:08 PM

phenn: m3000: Does it cause assholes too, or do smokers just start out that way?

/the smoke doesn't magically disappear just because your outside
// amazed at how often smokers are offended when I politely ask them not to light up since it's blowing right at me

Oh, god.

Stand somewhere else and get on with your life. You sound like my sister.


By that logic, I should be able to stand anywhere I want and engage in my hobby of spraying pesticides in the air. If you don't like it, move along.

It's a shame your sister got all the brains in your family.
 
2014-01-17 12:43:49 PM
Considering the fact that cigarettes today are filled with lower quality tobacco and more toxic filth additives than the cigs your grandfather used to smoke, I'm not surprised.
 
2014-01-17 12:44:24 PM

FunkOut: Hard to imagine that constantly inhaling smoke particles from industrially processed plant leaves that can be used as an insecticide could be harmful. The amazing list of additives in cigarettes compared to plain old tobacco leaves is really super not healthy.


Smokers need to start smoking this brand
www.sweetmedicineshoppe.com
 
2014-01-17 12:48:53 PM
i71.photobucket.com
 
2014-01-17 12:50:15 PM

Stone Meadow: extroverted_suicide: This is why I limit myself to binge drinking.

Between that and the green dragon I don't need no steenk'n cigarettes.


Well, I've been riding those 3 ponies for 20 plus years.

Time for football, some nice reggae, and flavor country.
 
2014-01-17 12:53:13 PM

hobnail: Rapmaster2000: FunkOut: Hard to imagine that constantly inhaling smoke particles from industrially processed plant leaves that can be used as an insecticide could be harmful.

Look, we get it that smoking is bad, but the fact that nicotine is used by plants as a defense against insects isn't in of itself anything to freak out about.

This just makes you sound like one of those ZOMG CHEMICALS people.  I would avoid it.

Not quite the same thing.  Nicotine is actually pretty toxic and in relatively low quantities.


So is the cyanide in apple seeds, but nobody expects you to worry about that.
 
2014-01-17 12:54:27 PM
Is there anything tobacco can't do ?
 
2014-01-17 12:54:59 PM
Is that right? Who's done more research on the subject than the good people at the American Tobacco Industry? They say it's harmless. Why would they lie? If you're dead, you can't smoke.
 
2014-01-17 12:55:24 PM

Rapmaster2000: So is the cyanide in apple seeds, but nobody expects you to worry about that.


Or hell, even the potassium in bananas

even enough of this horrible substance called dihydrogen monooxide, now that is a killer substance
 
WGJ
2014-01-17 12:56:57 PM

marsgwar: I don't understand this.  If tuberculosis is caused by a bacteria, how does smoking also cause it?  Is the SG saying the smoking weakens the immune system and leads to tuberculosis more easily?  That would make more sense, than saying smoking causes TB.


Forget it, they're rolling.
 
2014-01-17 12:59:32 PM

SuperNinjaToad: FunkOut: Hard to imagine that constantly inhaling smoke particles from industrially processed plant leaves that can be used as an insecticide could be harmful. The amazing list of additives in cigarettes compared to plain old tobacco leaves is really super not healthy.

Smokers need to start smoking this brand
[www.sweetmedicineshoppe.com image 260x311]


When I smoked cigarettes, I too endeavored towards getting cancer the natural way.

/actually it was just a taste thing, but whatever; cigars win the taste fight and don't wreck my lungs
//just my wallet
 
2014-01-17 12:59:52 PM
"Smoking has ZERO positive effects." iduno, at least it pisses off the rubes.
 
2014-01-17 01:00:11 PM
What about cigars? Are my cigars okay?

/Like Bill Clinton, i don't inhale.
 
2014-01-17 01:03:47 PM

Rapmaster2000: hobnail: Rapmaster2000: FunkOut: Hard to imagine that constantly inhaling smoke particles from industrially processed plant leaves that can be used as an insecticide could be harmful.

Look, we get it that smoking is bad, but the fact that nicotine is used by plants as a defense against insects isn't in of itself anything to freak out about.

This just makes you sound like one of those ZOMG CHEMICALS people.  I would avoid it.

Not quite the same thing.  Nicotine is actually pretty toxic and in relatively low quantities.

So is the cyanide in apple seeds, but nobody expects you to worry about that.


Yeah, they do. See Section 1.7.
 
2014-01-17 01:04:56 PM

Phony_Soldier: What about cigars? Are my cigars okay?

/Like Bill Clinton, i don't inhale.


As long as you don't mind throat and mouth cancer, they're fine. Or you could switch to snuff, and wind up with a tumerous lip.
 
2014-01-17 01:05:24 PM

stevenboof: When I smoke at work, I don't light up until I am about five feet from the garbage dumpster, yet to him/her, I am still an asshole.


Well, you might be an asshole, regardless. How should I know? I only just met you. All I know about you is that you're a farker. So I'd sat that it's a 50/50 shot.
 
2014-01-17 01:05:58 PM

CtrlAltDestroy: Smoking has ZERO positive effects. It only as negative effects. And no, the calming effect or pleasurable rush you get from taking a drag is not a positive effect. The temporary removal of withdraw symptoms is not the same as an actual good thing.

Seriously, all smoking does is worsen your health and bother others. What the point? Why continue to do it? Although I know the most common reasons. Because breaking addiction is too hard and/or they just don't care.


CtrlAltDestroy: And no, the calming effect or pleasurable rush you get from taking a drag is not a positive effect


CtrlAltDestroy: calming effect or pleasurable rush


iat also acts as a stimulant shortly after waking and a depressant shortly before sleep. It can provide something to do during otherwise idle time. Having grown up around tobacco curing barns, I enjoy the smell. There's a conditioning aspect involved with habitual use (smoke during idle time, the act of smoking itself becomes a calming activity), and there are very few things in this world as awesome as that first cigarette when you wake up. Because reasons.

You can find substitutes or contest the merits of any particular point of enjoyment involved with tobacco use, but there's a reason people have been consuming it for a very long time wherever it grows naturally. It is an overall pleasurable activity, though some people work very hard to make it not so. Has its time passed in modern society? Perhaps, but to argue that it's a pleasure-less activity with no benefits at all is ignorant or dishonest.
 
2014-01-17 01:06:26 PM
Is it bad to have a smoking fetish if you're a non smoker?
 
2014-01-17 01:09:23 PM

Eddie Ate Dynamite: but to argue that it's a pleasure-less activity with no benefits at all is ignorant or dishonest.


Eh, fair enough. It's a short term stimulant. Even so the list of negatives far, far outweigh that one positive.
 
2014-01-17 01:15:29 PM

m3000: Does it cause assholes too, or do smokers just start out that way?

/the smoke doesn't magically disappear just because your outside
// amazed at how often smokers are offended when I politely ask them not to light up since it's blowing right at me


You sound like a douche, so I don't blame them. I'd do it too.
 
2014-01-17 01:15:31 PM

Rapmaster2000: hobnail: Rapmaster2000: FunkOut: Hard to imagine that constantly inhaling smoke particles from industrially processed plant leaves that can be used as an insecticide could be harmful.

Look, we get it that smoking is bad, but the fact that nicotine is used by plants as a defense against insects isn't in of itself anything to freak out about.

This just makes you sound like one of those ZOMG CHEMICALS people.  I would avoid it.

Not quite the same thing.  Nicotine is actually pretty toxic and in relatively low quantities.

So is the cyanide in apple seeds, but nobody expects you to worry about that.


Try eating 20 apple/peach seeds a day for 20 years and let me know how that works out for you.  Get 200 smoking friends to join you so the results are statistically significant.
 
2014-01-17 01:15:49 PM

Rapmaster2000: hobnail: Rapmaster2000: FunkOut: Hard to imagine that constantly inhaling smoke particles from industrially processed plant leaves that can be used as an insecticide could be harmful.

Look, we get it that smoking is bad, but the fact that nicotine is used by plants as a defense against insects isn't in of itself anything to freak out about.

This just makes you sound like one of those ZOMG CHEMICALS people.  I would avoid it.

Not quite the same thing.  Nicotine is actually pretty toxic and in relatively low quantities.

So is the cyanide in apple seeds, but nobody expects you to worry about that.


I never heard of an orchard worker getting sick from working around apples but Green Tobacco Sickness is a real thing.

Seriously, are you unaware that nicotine is acutely toxic?
 
2014-01-17 01:15:52 PM

Eddie Ate Dynamite: CtrlAltDestroy: Smoking has ZERO positive effects. It only as negative effects. And no, the calming effect or pleasurable rush you get from taking a drag is not a positive effect. The temporary removal of withdraw symptoms is not the same as an actual good thing.

Seriously, all smoking does is worsen your health and bother others. What the point? Why continue to do it? Although I know the most common reasons. Because breaking addiction is too hard and/or they just don't care.

CtrlAltDestroy: And no, the calming effect or pleasurable rush you get from taking a drag is not a positive effect

CtrlAltDestroy: calming effect or pleasurable rush

iat also acts as a stimulant shortly after waking and a depressant shortly before sleep. It can provide something to do during otherwise idle time. Having grown up around tobacco curing barns, I enjoy the smell. There's a conditioning aspect involved with habitual use (smoke during idle time, the act of smoking itself becomes a calming activity), and there are very few things in this world as awesome as that first cigarette when you wake up. Because reasons.

You can find substitutes or contest the merits of any particular point of enjoyment involved with tobacco use, but there's a reason people have been consuming it for a very long time wherever it grows naturally. It is an overall pleasurable activity, though some people work very hard to make it not so. Has its time passed in modern society? Perhaps, but to argue that it's a pleasure-less activity with no benefits at all is ignorant or dishonest.


I knew some small-scale tobacco farmers a ways back (very common second profession for many of the Chesapeake Bay "watermen" who catch crabs and "O'ster's" during the summer) and it struck me that like most smokers they really hated tobacco farming but were more or less "hooked"    First, growing tobacco is hell on your land, it pretty much ruins it for any other crop (and unless you want a sky-high fertilizer bill, you've pretty much got to take a particular field out of tobacco production and set it to growing legumes like beans or peanuts to repair the soil about once every 4 years or so).  Secondly you have a very limited group of customers you can sell your product to, and while they make a great show of buying it at auction, they major tobacco buyers have pretty obviously colluded to fix prices, and they fix them at a point where you make   just enough from the sale that you can;t justify getting ut of the crop cause you lost money, but not enough that you can really afford to switch crops because the soil is so damaged it'll take a few years before yeilds of anything else are up to snuff.
 
2014-01-17 01:17:34 PM
imageshack.com
 
2014-01-17 01:20:57 PM

Perrybucsdad: So basically, smoking can cause every known malady to mankind except anal seepage.... well, that's good news at least.


I'd have to disagree...

I smoked a couple cigs a day for about a year...  One of the things I miss was waking up in the morning and having a cup of coffee and a few drags.  Because I knew the combination would cause my lower GI to suddenly wake up and start screaming "YOU POOP NOW!!!1!!"  Some days it was a good ten minutes that sounded like lumpy gravy being shot out of a high pressure hose into a half full fishtank.

But yeah, the cancer and inability to climb a set of stairs without wheezing isn't a good trade off for being able to take a massive dump at will.
 
2014-01-17 01:25:00 PM
Have they banned it yet?
 
2014-01-17 01:30:07 PM

evilmousse: "Smoking has ZERO positive effects." iduno, at least it pisses off the rubes.


That's not what the marijuana smoking contingnet says.  Marijuana smoke contians magical illness-curing hunger fog that is 100% biodegradable.
 
2014-01-17 01:30:21 PM

moike: But yeah, the cancer and inability to climb a set of stairs without wheezing isn't a good trade off for being able to take a massive dump at will.


I don't know, it really helped when I wanted to take an upper decker in an ex's bathroom
 
2014-01-17 01:31:44 PM

Perducci: phenn: m3000: Does it cause assholes too, or do smokers just start out that way?

/the smoke doesn't magically disappear just because your outside
// amazed at how often smokers are offended when I politely ask them not to light up since it's blowing right at me

Oh, god.

Stand somewhere else and get on with your life. You sound like my sister.

By that logic, I should be able to stand anywhere I want and engage in my hobby of spraying pesticides in the air. If you don't like it, move along.

It's a shame your sister got all the brains in your family.


Go for it, anyone who isn't stupid will... move the hell away from you.  And then probably laugh at you cause you are dumb.
 
2014-01-17 01:33:07 PM
Um, how is this news now? I mean, we've been hearing this exact thing for years. Exact. Everytime I go to the doctor he asks if I smoke and tells me not to start because it farks up my shiat worse.
 
2014-01-17 01:33:19 PM

Dr Jack Badofsky: evilmousse: "Smoking has ZERO positive effects." iduno, at least it pisses off the rubes.

That's not what the marijuana smoking contingnet says.  Marijuana smoke contians magical illness-curing hunger fog that is 100% biodegradable.


For reasons not entirely clear to science as of yet, that's somewhat true.  marijuana smoke != tobacco smoke.  Among other things incidence of lung cancer is MUCH lower among MJ smokers (though this may have something to do with quantity, ever known anyone who smoked 40 joints a day?  but a two pack a day smoker is pretty normal)  and scientist HAVE tentatively identified several anti-cancer compounds in MJ.
 
2014-01-17 01:35:35 PM

Dr Jack Badofsky: evilmousse: "Smoking has ZERO positive effects." iduno, at least it pisses off the rubes.

That's not what the marijuana smoking contingnet says.  Marijuana smoke contians magical illness-curing hunger fog that is 100% biodegradable.


Plus it will make white women sleep with black men.
 
2014-01-17 01:46:30 PM
devilEther:

Seriously, quit smoking tobacco cigarettes now. Switch to synthetic marijuana.

FTFY.

1.bp.blogspot.com

You can pry my pipes and stogies from my aromatic, tannin-stained fingers.
 
2014-01-17 01:46:33 PM

Snarfangel: ReverendJynxed: And they have been actively working to make them worse. Nice.


Cigarettes are now the size of road flares.

CHARGE US $5.85 PER PACK NOW, SUCKERS!


I can get a flares a hell of a lot cheaper than smokes and they're likely better for your health.

Up here in Washington the smokes run closer to ten bucks a pack.

/not a smoker and glad
 
2014-01-17 01:49:40 PM
thankfully i have been using vaporization of nicotine which is FAR less addictive, no chemicals, a much shorter half-life, and much less peak-serum value... this i can tell just from 1st-hand experience.

with vaporization, 95% of the issues of smoking go away, 99.99999% of the starting-a-fire concerns go away, you can smoke in heavy winds, in your bed, in your office.. no one notices..

when I stopped smoking for a few days over christmas it wasn't like tobacco withdrawal at ALL, it was more like missing my morning cup of coffee and that was that...

if we REALLY cared about the health of the country, we wouldn't just get rid of all taxes on nicotine vaporization, we'd be offering free starter kits. It's THAT much better for people.

/unless they're offering smoking as a population control/tax-base dual solution, like PR from Phillips/Renolds indicated, then they should tax the healthy alternative EVEN MORE

//asthmatic - vaporization doesn't irritate me at all!
 
2014-01-17 01:51:20 PM
www.guy-sports.com
 
2014-01-17 01:54:24 PM
Just popped in to be the asshole who says, "I quit cold turkey last July, and if my whiny ass can do it, no one else has any excuse." So there.
 
2014-01-17 02:01:01 PM

sobriquet by any other name: thankfully i have been using vaporization of nicotine which is FAR less addictive, no chemicals, a much shorter half-life, and much less peak-serum value... this i can tell just from 1st-hand experience.

with vaporization, 95% of the issues of smoking go away, 99.99999% of the starting-a-fire concerns go away, you can smoke in heavy winds, in your bed, in your office.. no one notices..

when I stopped smoking for a few days over christmas it wasn't like tobacco withdrawal at ALL, it was more like missing my morning cup of coffee and that was that...

if we REALLY cared about the health of the country, we wouldn't just get rid of all taxes on nicotine vaporization, we'd be offering free starter kits. It's THAT much better for people.

/unless they're offering smoking as a population control/tax-base dual solution, like PR from Phillips/Renolds indicated, then they should tax the healthy alternative EVEN MORE

//asthmatic - vaporization doesn't irritate me at all!


Whatever, druggie.
 
2014-01-17 02:06:02 PM

m3000: Does it cause assholes too, or do smokers just start out that way?

/the smoke doesn't magically disappear just because your outside
// amazed at how often smokers are offended when I politely ask them not to light up since it's blowing right at me


there is no polite way to ask people to bend to your will

why don't you try moving away?

you sound as pleasant as a hemorrhoid
 
2014-01-17 02:10:27 PM

wraith95: stevenboof: m3000: Does it cause assholes too, or do smokers just start out that way?

/the smoke doesn't magically disappear just because your outside
// amazed at how often smokers are offended when I politely ask them not to light up since it's blowing right at me

I guess that's much easier than just moving upwind from them.  Do you also politely ask drivers to not allow their cars to run around you?

I'm sure it's always blowing right at him, no matter where he's standing


That DOES actually happen at campfires.


/strange but true
//ex smoker
/// still follow people smoking sniffing like a maniac
//// No better smell than getting on an elevator after someone wearing perfume just had a smoke
// Slashies!!
 
2014-01-17 02:16:03 PM

marsgwar: I don't understand this.  If tuberculosis is caused by a bacteria, how does smoking also cause it?  Is the SG saying the smoking weakens the immune system and leads to tuberculosis more easily?  That would make more sense, than saying smoking causes TB.


Yea, I'm wondering about that, too.
 
2014-01-17 02:20:31 PM

Vector R: marsgwar: I don't understand this.  If tuberculosis is caused by a bacteria, how does smoking also cause it?  Is the SG saying the smoking weakens the immune system and leads to tuberculosis more easily?  That would make more sense, than saying smoking causes TB.

Yea, I'm wondering about that, too.


It's like catching the flu from the cold.
 
2014-01-17 02:22:00 PM

IdBeCrazyIf: Crudbucket: So? Anybody still smoking obviously doesn't give a shiat.

This, I'm trying to run out the clock and die as fast as possible. Stop trying to make me live to 90.


There are faster ways to kill yourself.  I encourage you to try them.
 
2014-01-17 02:24:15 PM

stevenboof: ToastmasterGeneral: stevenboof: m3000: Does it cause assholes too, or do smokers just start out that way?

/the smoke doesn't magically disappear just because your outside
// amazed at how often smokers are offended when I politely ask them not to light up since it's blowing right at me

I guess that's much easier than just moving upwind from them.  Do you also politely ask drivers to not allow their cars to run around you?

I agree with you to a point.

But people who light up while waiting in a line are selfish pricks.

There is a certain subset of the smoking population that are selfish pricks, just like every other group out there.  That being said, maybe places like restaurants and bars could put their ashtrays ten feet or so away from the entrance of the building so I don't feel like an ass for smoking right at the entrance.


Dude, I completely agree - EVERY subset has selfish jerks.

And, as somebody who hates the smell of smoke, it's not a big deal near the entrances, especially when that's where the owners put the ashtrays.  Walking past it briefly isn't anywhere close to the issue of having to stand behind it for an extended period.
 
2014-01-17 02:25:43 PM
What about Lupus? Has it been linked to Lupus yet?
 
2014-01-17 02:32:28 PM

AbiNormal: What about Lupus? Has it been linked to Lupus yet?


sd.keepcalm-o-matic.co.uk
 
2014-01-17 02:36:38 PM
Having recently quit, I definitely believe smokers get treated like second-class citizens. It's the main reason I quit. It's a pain in the ass to have to hide it from new friends and coworkers when they're only going to inevitably find out. When I first started, I couldn't go out with most of my friends without one of them trying to start a drunk argument over why I should quit and why I embarrass them. We all have our vices, just let me live.  People who still biatch about it piss me off.

I understand if you have kids nearby though. I made an active effort to never smoke near children. But if you're an adult, act like it. Don't need to be throwing around the stink eye.
 
2014-01-17 02:39:10 PM

Eddie Ate Dynamite: You can find substitutes or contest the merits of any particular point of enjoyment involved with tobacco use, but there's a reason people have been consuming it for a very long time wherever it grows naturally. It is an overall pleasurable activity, though some people work very hard to make it not so. Has its time passed in modern society? Perhaps, but to argue that it's a pleasure-less activity with no benefits at all is ignorant or dishonest.


Remember the study (studies?) that showed smoking cigarettes helps to stave off Alzheimer's?

/True, not trolling.
 
2014-01-17 02:42:21 PM
I smoke but try to be polite and stay away from non-smokers.  It's my choice to smoke.  As far as the smell afterwards, tough sh*t.  I have to put up with over cologned or over perfumed  people or those who eat stinky food or don't wash often enough.  I have to put up with you on your cellphones or with your screaming brats in tow.  It's called tolerance people.  Here's a deal for you.  You stop procreating and I'll quit smoking.  Until then, STFU.
 
2014-01-17 02:44:21 PM
I smoke on occasion.


When I do,  always outside, always far away from the building or the sidewalk (Except when I was in a casino last year.  It was a bit of a kick to smoke indoors, you know, just like the '90s again ), and I always try to keep far away from people. I don't begrudge them their dirty looks, and if anyone every asked me to move, or not smoke, I would kindly oblige them.
 
2014-01-17 02:44:48 PM
Smokers are inconsiderate pricks.  Yes there's the whole smoking-near-others thing.  But there's also the littering thing.  Everyday driving to and from work I see people smoking in their cars and using the outside world as their ashtray.  Then when they are done they just toss the cigarette out the window.  At work there are designated smoking areas with proper cigarette disposal bins.  What do smokers do?  They just toss the cigarette on the ground wherever they happen to be standing instead of putting it in the bin like they're supposed to.  I've heard the lame "it's-just-a-cigarette-it's-not-that-much-litter" excuse and it's BS.  A pack a day (or whatever the average is), multiplied by however many smokers there are, over the course of any given time frame, that's a lot of very disgusting littler.  It's an aggregate effect create by an aggregate collection of selfish d-Bags.  But if you go to one of their homes I'm sure there's not a single cigarette butt on their property.
 
2014-01-17 02:48:44 PM

Mr.Hawk: wraith95: stevenboof: m3000: Does it cause assholes too, or do smokers just start out that way?

/the smoke doesn't magically disappear just because your outside
// amazed at how often smokers are offended when I politely ask them not to light up since it's blowing right at me

I guess that's much easier than just moving upwind from them.  Do you also politely ask drivers to not allow their cars to run around you?

I'm sure it's always blowing right at him, no matter where he's standing

That DOES actually happen at campfires.



Something we used to say when we were kids and the campfire smoke blew in our face was "I hate rabbits" and the smoke would magically change directions. I dont know the origins of the phrase but it seemed to work, but when I was 8 the world seemed a lot cooler and magical too
 
2014-01-17 02:56:39 PM
linking it to diabetes complications, birth defects, auto-immune diseases, and even tuberculosis

As long as government can make a hefty buck out of taxing smokers, smoking could dissolve your liver into a suppurating mass, make your brain ooze from your eyesockets, and cause your digestive tract to invert itself out your anus and it would never be banned.
 
2014-01-17 03:01:02 PM

jjorsett: linking it to diabetes complications, birth defects, auto-immune diseases, and even tuberculosis

As long as government can make a hefty buck out of taxing smokers, smoking could dissolve your liver into a suppurating mass, make your brain ooze from your eyesockets, and cause your digestive tract to invert itself out your anus and it would never be banned.


I think that might get a call or two from a concerned citizen.
 
2014-01-17 03:01:49 PM

jjorsett: linking it to diabetes complications, birth defects, auto-immune diseases, and even tuberculosis

As long as government can make a hefty buck out of taxing smokers, smoking could dissolve your liver into a suppurating mass, make your brain ooze from your eyesockets, and cause your digestive tract to invert itself out your anus and it would never be banned.


But what if it turned smokers into zombies?

/We need a zombie thread today, don't we?
 
2014-01-17 03:21:53 PM

hobnail: Rapmaster2000: hobnail: Rapmaster2000: FunkOut: Hard to imagine that constantly inhaling smoke particles from industrially processed plant leaves that can be used as an insecticide could be harmful.

Look, we get it that smoking is bad, but the fact that nicotine is used by plants as a defense against insects isn't in of itself anything to freak out about.

This just makes you sound like one of those ZOMG CHEMICALS people.  I would avoid it.

Not quite the same thing.  Nicotine is actually pretty toxic and in relatively low quantities.

So is the cyanide in apple seeds, but nobody expects you to worry about that.

I never heard of an orchard worker getting sick from working around apples but Green Tobacco Sickness is a real thing.

Seriously, are you unaware that nicotine is acutely toxic?


Yes I am aware that nicotine is toxic.  I'm also aware that saying "inhaling pesticides" is needlessly hyperbolic and I can do so without talking down to you like a jakcass.
 
2014-01-17 03:22:19 PM

sobriquet by any other name: thankfully i have been using vaporization of nicotine which is FAR less addictive, no chemicals, a much shorter half-life, and much less peak-serum value... this i can tell just from 1st-hand experience.

with vaporization, 95% of the issues of smoking go away, 99.99999% of the starting-a-fire concerns go away, you can smoke in heavy winds, in your bed, in your office.. no one notices..

when I stopped smoking for a few days over christmas it wasn't like tobacco withdrawal at ALL, it was more like missing my morning cup of coffee and that was that...

if we REALLY cared about the health of the country, we wouldn't just get rid of all taxes on nicotine vaporization, we'd be offering free starter kits. It's THAT much better for people.

/unless they're offering smoking as a population control/tax-base dual solution, like PR from Phillips/Renolds indicated, then they should tax the healthy alternative EVEN MORE

//asthmatic - vaporization doesn't irritate me at all!


Not so fast there Mr. Vape pusher.

A lot of the vapes out there still have levels of carcinogens almost equal to the level of cigarettes. Plus, chemicals like formaldehyde and acrolein.

You'll still have time to enjoy your cancer.

/nice ad though
 
2014-01-17 03:23:28 PM

TheGogmagog: Rapmaster2000: hobnail: Rapmaster2000: FunkOut: Hard to imagine that constantly inhaling smoke particles from industrially processed plant leaves that can be used as an insecticide could be harmful.

Look, we get it that smoking is bad, but the fact that nicotine is used by plants as a defense against insects isn't in of itself anything to freak out about.

This just makes you sound like one of those ZOMG CHEMICALS people.  I would avoid it.

Not quite the same thing.  Nicotine is actually pretty toxic and in relatively low quantities.

So is the cyanide in apple seeds, but nobody expects you to worry about that.

Try eating 20 apple/peach seeds a day for 20 years and let me know how that works out for you.  Get 200 smoking friends to join you so the results are statistically significant.


Yes, it would be toxic to do so, but I'm not about to call apples "poison" because I understand context and I don't say outrageous things to score points with syncophants.
 
2014-01-17 03:33:40 PM

Rapmaster2000: TheGogmagog: Rapmaster2000: hobnail: Rapmaster2000: FunkOut: Hard to imagine that constantly inhaling smoke particles from industrially processed plant leaves that can be used as an insecticide could be harmful.

Look, we get it that smoking is bad, but the fact that nicotine is used by plants as a defense against insects isn't in of itself anything to freak out about.

This just makes you sound like one of those ZOMG CHEMICALS people.  I would avoid it.

Not quite the same thing.  Nicotine is actually pretty toxic and in relatively low quantities.

So is the cyanide in apple seeds, but nobody expects you to worry about that.

Try eating 20 apple/peach seeds a day for 20 years and let me know how that works out for you.  Get 200 smoking friends to join you so the results are statistically significant.

Yes, it would be toxic to do so, but I'm not about to call apples "poison" because I understand context and I don't say outrageous things to score points with syncophants.


Now, in that case, the cyanide would have to be evenly distributed throughout the edible part of the apple and people would eat 20 to 40 apples a day.
 
2014-01-17 03:47:01 PM
If it get cancer I intend to just eat naked mole rats until it goes away....
 
2014-01-17 03:47:56 PM

FunkOut: Rapmaster2000: TheGogmagog: Rapmaster2000: hobnail: Rapmaster2000: FunkOut: Hard to imagine that constantly inhaling smoke particles from industrially processed plant leaves that can be used as an insecticide could be harmful.

Look, we get it that smoking is bad, but the fact that nicotine is used by plants as a defense against insects isn't in of itself anything to freak out about.

This just makes you sound like one of those ZOMG CHEMICALS people.  I would avoid it.

Not quite the same thing.  Nicotine is actually pretty toxic and in relatively low quantities.

So is the cyanide in apple seeds, but nobody expects you to worry about that.

Try eating 20 apple/peach seeds a day for 20 years and let me know how that works out for you.  Get 200 smoking friends to join you so the results are statistically significant.

Yes, it would be toxic to do so, but I'm not about to call apples "poison" because I understand context and I don't say outrageous things to score points with syncophants.

Now, in that case, the cyanide would have to be evenly distributed throughout the edible part of the apple and people would eat 20 to 40 apples a day.


No, it doesn't matter.  Saying a cigarette is "insecticide" is as needlessly hyperbolic as calling a peach pit "poison".

No one is arguing your science.  I'm simply making fun of you for talking like a ninny.

Did you know that cigarettes contain Carbon Monoxide?!?  That's the same chemical produced when an orphanage filled with puppies burns down.
 
2014-01-17 03:55:09 PM

Chunky_Charlie: sobriquet by any other name: thankfully i have been using vaporization of nicotine which is FAR less addictive, no chemicals, a much shorter half-life, and much less peak-serum value... this i can tell just from 1st-hand experience.

with vaporization, 95% of the issues of smoking go away, 99.99999% of the starting-a-fire concerns go away, you can smoke in heavy winds, in your bed, in your office.. no one notices..

when I stopped smoking for a few days over christmas it wasn't like tobacco withdrawal at ALL, it was more like missing my morning cup of coffee and that was that...

if we REALLY cared about the health of the country, we wouldn't just get rid of all taxes on nicotine vaporization, we'd be offering free starter kits. It's THAT much better for people.

/unless they're offering smoking as a population control/tax-base dual solution, like PR from Phillips/Renolds indicated, then they should tax the healthy alternative EVEN MORE

//asthmatic - vaporization doesn't irritate me at all!

Not so fast there Mr. Vape pusher.

A lot of the vapes out there still have levels of carcinogens almost equal to the level of cigarettes. Plus, chemicals like formaldehyde and acrolein.

You'll still have time to enjoy your cancer.

/nice ad though


you know what else has "formaldehyde"? You. and cooked potatos. Scare words are what you have left, once technology can deliver inexpensive pure nicotine, you've changed the whole equation.

FACT: smug ass anti-smoking groups  can't standthat there is a way to be a smoker without major harm. Literally most of their lives have been spent in well-deserved concern, but now that it's no longer a concern, they're like robots, executing their nanny program.

if it wasn't so tragic (we'd rather a kid smoke a vape than a combustable  anything in any situation, ever) itd be funny.

Anti-smokers = horse and carriages
Vape = the advance of science.

//it really IS hard for them to let go. Nicotine without combustion just doesn't compute.
 
2014-01-17 04:00:16 PM

Jmb5346: Having recently quit, I definitely believe smokers get treated like second-class citizens. It's the main reason I quit. It's a pain in the ass to have to hide it from new friends and coworkers when they're only going to inevitably find out. When I first started, I couldn't go out with most of my friends without one of them trying to start a drunk argument over why I should quit and why I embarrass them. We all have our vices, just let me live.  People who still biatch about it piss me off.

I understand if you have kids nearby though. I made an active effort to never smoke near children. But if you're an adult, act like it. Don't need to be throwing around the stink eye.


fark you, smokie. You are a second-class citizen for a very good reason. You decided to use a mild stimulant that makes everyone around you cough/smell bad, and that has hideous health effects. You are a farking moron. You deserve ALL the stink eye.
 
2014-01-17 04:00:23 PM
(That, and all the sad, sad people who've been tricked into believing that nicotine is the only, and the worst, addictive chemical in combustion cigarettes. That's not funny either, because by itself it's like more like caffeine, but the manufactures added tons of other chemicals that are syngeristic.. and THAT's what makes your grandma smoke through her neck.. people are understandably confused by it, having been lied to for so long)
 
2014-01-17 04:03:31 PM

sobriquet by any other name: (That, and all the sad, sad people who've been tricked into believing that nicotine is the only, and the worst, addictive chemical in combustion cigarettes. That's not funny either, because by itself it's like more like caffeine, but the manufactures added tons of other chemicals that are syngeristic.. and THAT's what makes your grandma smoke through her neck.. people are understandably confused by it, having been lied to for so long)


Yeah, that's bullshiat. There are pretty much an infinite amount of toxic chemicals in tobacco smoke, tar and nicotine being just the worst ones. The added formaldehyde, etc., doesn't help, but it's the least of the problem.
 
2014-01-17 04:25:20 PM

mbillips: sobriquet by any other name: (That, and all the sad, sad people who've been tricked into believing that nicotine is the only, and the worst, addictive chemical in combustion cigarettes. That's not funny either, because by itself it's like more like caffeine, but the manufactures added tons of other chemicals that are syngeristic.. and THAT's what makes your grandma smoke through her neck.. people are understandably confused by it, having been lied to for so long)

Yeah, that's bullshiat. There are pretty much an infinite amount of toxic chemicals in tobacco smoke, tar and nicotine being just the worst ones. The added formaldehyde, etc., doesn't help, but it's the least of the problem.


nicotine isn't even the worst one. It's only as bad as it is in the presence of the other additives which themselves display choligenic activity and are  highlysynergistic with nicotine. There's two main addictive additions to cigarettes:

1) Ammonia, formulation of paper, and 'anti-smouldering' chemicals all increase the rate at which nicotine is delievered, even after the act of smoking, as those particles remain in your lungs to deliver further nicotine

and

2) (Read this in Science News as a study before the internet was prevalent) several chemicals that increase nicotines's activity at the nicotinic/acetylcholine receptors by a factor of 6 or 7 times, leading to a much deeper addiction, with subjectively different and extremely powerful withdrawal experience.

People can't get addicted to pure nicotine in vaporization like you see in any "normal" cigarettes (american spirits included) because it's not even appropriate to describe the effects of a normal cigarettes as "nicotine". It is SO engineered.
 
2014-01-17 04:30:14 PM

mbillips: sobriquet by any other name: (That, and all the sad, sad people who've been tricked into believing that nicotine is the only, and the worst, addictive chemical in combustion cigarettes. That's not funny either, because by itself it's like more like caffeine, but the manufactures added tons of other chemicals that are syngeristic.. and THAT's what makes your grandma smoke through her neck.. people are understandably confused by it, having been lied to for so long)

Yeah, that's bullshiat. There are pretty much an infinite amount of toxic chemicals in tobacco smoke, tar and nicotine being just the worst ones. The added formaldehyde, etc., doesn't help, but it's the least of the problem.


i'm with you though man, pardon, after realizing how f'd combustion cigarettes really are, i've been on my soapbox)
 
2014-01-17 07:49:13 PM

m3000: Does it cause assholes too, or do anti-smokers just start out that way?


The people I know who smoke are about a million times nicer than the people I know who don't.
 
2014-01-17 08:10:46 PM
Let's not forget Spontaneous Decapitation and the condition known as "hot dog fingers".
 
2014-01-17 08:12:13 PM
Did the article also mention that smoking gives you colon cancer?
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2014-01-17 09:35:29 PM
Well, since it's so bad for people, that's why it's banned and illegal and not generating insane amounts of tax revenue for the government, right?
 
2014-01-17 11:04:42 PM

untaken_name: Well, since it's so bad for people, that's why it's banned and illegal and not generating insane amounts of tax revenue for the government, right?


Yep, I've always thought, if it's so gawdamed terrible why don't they just ban it entirely. Big $$$ Is the only answer I can come up with.

I still enjoy smoking. Roll my own so, hopefully less additives.
 
2014-01-18 12:57:07 AM

hardinparamedic: POPPY COCK AND BALDERDASH.

I have a report here from the Heartland Institute, a group which is of immense repute I assure you, Sir, that says smoking actually contributes to long life, cures cancer, and makes your heart stronger.

Your "scientific research" is just part of Big Government, Sir! Wake up, sheeplemitter.


This is a Communist Agitator.
 
2014-01-18 01:14:59 AM
fine, don't want people smoking outlaw it. pass a prohibition on smoking. no more cigarette manufacturing here. no distribution. none of that.

no more sin taxes either so that will have to be filled in somehow. but hey no more smoking.

if you can't or won't do that SHUT THE fark UP. NOW. stop with the reports, the chicken shiat you can't smoke here, or here, or here laws. just stop.
 
2014-01-18 12:32:53 PM

sobriquet by any other name: Chunky_Charlie: sobriquet by any other name: thankfully i have been using vaporization of nicotine which is FAR less addictive, no chemicals, a much shorter half-life, and much less peak-serum value... this i can tell just from 1st-hand experience.

with vaporization, 95% of the issues of smoking go away, 99.99999% of the starting-a-fire concerns go away, you can smoke in heavy winds, in your bed, in your office.. no one notices..

when I stopped smoking for a few days over christmas it wasn't like tobacco withdrawal at ALL, it was more like missing my morning cup of coffee and that was that...

if we REALLY cared about the health of the country, we wouldn't just get rid of all taxes on nicotine vaporization, we'd be offering free starter kits. It's THAT much better for people.

/unless they're offering smoking as a population control/tax-base dual solution, like PR from Phillips/Renolds indicated, then they should tax the healthy alternative EVEN MORE

//asthmatic - vaporization doesn't irritate me at all!

Not so fast there Mr. Vape pusher.

A lot of the vapes out there still have levels of carcinogens almost equal to the level of cigarettes. Plus, chemicals like formaldehyde and acrolein.

You'll still have time to enjoy your cancer.

/nice ad though

you know what else has "formaldehyde"? You. and cooked potatos. Scare words are what you have left, once technology can deliver inexpensive pure nicotine, you've changed the whole equation.

FACT: smug ass anti-smoking groups  can't standthat there is a way to be a smoker without major harm. Literally most of their lives have been spent in well-deserved concern, but now that it's no longer a concern, they're like robots, executing their nanny program.

if it wasn't so tragic (we'd rather a kid smoke a vape than a combustable  anything in any situation, ever) itd be funny.

Anti-smokers = horse and carriages
Vape = the advance of science.

//it really IS hard for them to let go. Nicotine without combustion just doesn ...


This. Why the panic when something is found to actually reduce the harm and help you quit? There's something else going on in their messed up heads.
 
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