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(The Wire)   Though it's difficult to see how that's possible, new surgeon general's report say that smoking is even WORSE for you than previously thought; linking it to diabetes complications, birth defects, auto-immune diseases, and even tuberculosis   (thewire.com) divider line 137
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2014-01-17 02:06:02 PM

m3000: Does it cause assholes too, or do smokers just start out that way?

/the smoke doesn't magically disappear just because your outside
// amazed at how often smokers are offended when I politely ask them not to light up since it's blowing right at me


there is no polite way to ask people to bend to your will

why don't you try moving away?

you sound as pleasant as a hemorrhoid
 
2014-01-17 02:10:27 PM

wraith95: stevenboof: m3000: Does it cause assholes too, or do smokers just start out that way?

/the smoke doesn't magically disappear just because your outside
// amazed at how often smokers are offended when I politely ask them not to light up since it's blowing right at me

I guess that's much easier than just moving upwind from them.  Do you also politely ask drivers to not allow their cars to run around you?

I'm sure it's always blowing right at him, no matter where he's standing


That DOES actually happen at campfires.


/strange but true
//ex smoker
/// still follow people smoking sniffing like a maniac
//// No better smell than getting on an elevator after someone wearing perfume just had a smoke
// Slashies!!
 
2014-01-17 02:16:03 PM

marsgwar: I don't understand this.  If tuberculosis is caused by a bacteria, how does smoking also cause it?  Is the SG saying the smoking weakens the immune system and leads to tuberculosis more easily?  That would make more sense, than saying smoking causes TB.


Yea, I'm wondering about that, too.
 
2014-01-17 02:20:31 PM

Vector R: marsgwar: I don't understand this.  If tuberculosis is caused by a bacteria, how does smoking also cause it?  Is the SG saying the smoking weakens the immune system and leads to tuberculosis more easily?  That would make more sense, than saying smoking causes TB.

Yea, I'm wondering about that, too.


It's like catching the flu from the cold.
 
2014-01-17 02:22:00 PM

IdBeCrazyIf: Crudbucket: So? Anybody still smoking obviously doesn't give a shiat.

This, I'm trying to run out the clock and die as fast as possible. Stop trying to make me live to 90.


There are faster ways to kill yourself.  I encourage you to try them.
 
2014-01-17 02:24:15 PM

stevenboof: ToastmasterGeneral: stevenboof: m3000: Does it cause assholes too, or do smokers just start out that way?

/the smoke doesn't magically disappear just because your outside
// amazed at how often smokers are offended when I politely ask them not to light up since it's blowing right at me

I guess that's much easier than just moving upwind from them.  Do you also politely ask drivers to not allow their cars to run around you?

I agree with you to a point.

But people who light up while waiting in a line are selfish pricks.

There is a certain subset of the smoking population that are selfish pricks, just like every other group out there.  That being said, maybe places like restaurants and bars could put their ashtrays ten feet or so away from the entrance of the building so I don't feel like an ass for smoking right at the entrance.


Dude, I completely agree - EVERY subset has selfish jerks.

And, as somebody who hates the smell of smoke, it's not a big deal near the entrances, especially when that's where the owners put the ashtrays.  Walking past it briefly isn't anywhere close to the issue of having to stand behind it for an extended period.
 
2014-01-17 02:25:43 PM
What about Lupus? Has it been linked to Lupus yet?
 
2014-01-17 02:32:28 PM

AbiNormal: What about Lupus? Has it been linked to Lupus yet?


sd.keepcalm-o-matic.co.uk
 
2014-01-17 02:36:38 PM
Having recently quit, I definitely believe smokers get treated like second-class citizens. It's the main reason I quit. It's a pain in the ass to have to hide it from new friends and coworkers when they're only going to inevitably find out. When I first started, I couldn't go out with most of my friends without one of them trying to start a drunk argument over why I should quit and why I embarrass them. We all have our vices, just let me live.  People who still biatch about it piss me off.

I understand if you have kids nearby though. I made an active effort to never smoke near children. But if you're an adult, act like it. Don't need to be throwing around the stink eye.
 
2014-01-17 02:39:10 PM

Eddie Ate Dynamite: You can find substitutes or contest the merits of any particular point of enjoyment involved with tobacco use, but there's a reason people have been consuming it for a very long time wherever it grows naturally. It is an overall pleasurable activity, though some people work very hard to make it not so. Has its time passed in modern society? Perhaps, but to argue that it's a pleasure-less activity with no benefits at all is ignorant or dishonest.


Remember the study (studies?) that showed smoking cigarettes helps to stave off Alzheimer's?

/True, not trolling.
 
2014-01-17 02:42:21 PM
I smoke but try to be polite and stay away from non-smokers.  It's my choice to smoke.  As far as the smell afterwards, tough sh*t.  I have to put up with over cologned or over perfumed  people or those who eat stinky food or don't wash often enough.  I have to put up with you on your cellphones or with your screaming brats in tow.  It's called tolerance people.  Here's a deal for you.  You stop procreating and I'll quit smoking.  Until then, STFU.
 
2014-01-17 02:44:21 PM
I smoke on occasion.


When I do,  always outside, always far away from the building or the sidewalk (Except when I was in a casino last year.  It was a bit of a kick to smoke indoors, you know, just like the '90s again ), and I always try to keep far away from people. I don't begrudge them their dirty looks, and if anyone every asked me to move, or not smoke, I would kindly oblige them.
 
2014-01-17 02:44:48 PM
Smokers are inconsiderate pricks.  Yes there's the whole smoking-near-others thing.  But there's also the littering thing.  Everyday driving to and from work I see people smoking in their cars and using the outside world as their ashtray.  Then when they are done they just toss the cigarette out the window.  At work there are designated smoking areas with proper cigarette disposal bins.  What do smokers do?  They just toss the cigarette on the ground wherever they happen to be standing instead of putting it in the bin like they're supposed to.  I've heard the lame "it's-just-a-cigarette-it's-not-that-much-litter" excuse and it's BS.  A pack a day (or whatever the average is), multiplied by however many smokers there are, over the course of any given time frame, that's a lot of very disgusting littler.  It's an aggregate effect create by an aggregate collection of selfish d-Bags.  But if you go to one of their homes I'm sure there's not a single cigarette butt on their property.
 
2014-01-17 02:48:44 PM

Mr.Hawk: wraith95: stevenboof: m3000: Does it cause assholes too, or do smokers just start out that way?

/the smoke doesn't magically disappear just because your outside
// amazed at how often smokers are offended when I politely ask them not to light up since it's blowing right at me

I guess that's much easier than just moving upwind from them.  Do you also politely ask drivers to not allow their cars to run around you?

I'm sure it's always blowing right at him, no matter where he's standing

That DOES actually happen at campfires.



Something we used to say when we were kids and the campfire smoke blew in our face was "I hate rabbits" and the smoke would magically change directions. I dont know the origins of the phrase but it seemed to work, but when I was 8 the world seemed a lot cooler and magical too
 
2014-01-17 02:56:39 PM
linking it to diabetes complications, birth defects, auto-immune diseases, and even tuberculosis

As long as government can make a hefty buck out of taxing smokers, smoking could dissolve your liver into a suppurating mass, make your brain ooze from your eyesockets, and cause your digestive tract to invert itself out your anus and it would never be banned.
 
2014-01-17 03:01:02 PM

jjorsett: linking it to diabetes complications, birth defects, auto-immune diseases, and even tuberculosis

As long as government can make a hefty buck out of taxing smokers, smoking could dissolve your liver into a suppurating mass, make your brain ooze from your eyesockets, and cause your digestive tract to invert itself out your anus and it would never be banned.


I think that might get a call or two from a concerned citizen.
 
2014-01-17 03:01:49 PM

jjorsett: linking it to diabetes complications, birth defects, auto-immune diseases, and even tuberculosis

As long as government can make a hefty buck out of taxing smokers, smoking could dissolve your liver into a suppurating mass, make your brain ooze from your eyesockets, and cause your digestive tract to invert itself out your anus and it would never be banned.


But what if it turned smokers into zombies?

/We need a zombie thread today, don't we?
 
2014-01-17 03:21:53 PM

hobnail: Rapmaster2000: hobnail: Rapmaster2000: FunkOut: Hard to imagine that constantly inhaling smoke particles from industrially processed plant leaves that can be used as an insecticide could be harmful.

Look, we get it that smoking is bad, but the fact that nicotine is used by plants as a defense against insects isn't in of itself anything to freak out about.

This just makes you sound like one of those ZOMG CHEMICALS people.  I would avoid it.

Not quite the same thing.  Nicotine is actually pretty toxic and in relatively low quantities.

So is the cyanide in apple seeds, but nobody expects you to worry about that.

I never heard of an orchard worker getting sick from working around apples but Green Tobacco Sickness is a real thing.

Seriously, are you unaware that nicotine is acutely toxic?


Yes I am aware that nicotine is toxic.  I'm also aware that saying "inhaling pesticides" is needlessly hyperbolic and I can do so without talking down to you like a jakcass.
 
2014-01-17 03:22:19 PM

sobriquet by any other name: thankfully i have been using vaporization of nicotine which is FAR less addictive, no chemicals, a much shorter half-life, and much less peak-serum value... this i can tell just from 1st-hand experience.

with vaporization, 95% of the issues of smoking go away, 99.99999% of the starting-a-fire concerns go away, you can smoke in heavy winds, in your bed, in your office.. no one notices..

when I stopped smoking for a few days over christmas it wasn't like tobacco withdrawal at ALL, it was more like missing my morning cup of coffee and that was that...

if we REALLY cared about the health of the country, we wouldn't just get rid of all taxes on nicotine vaporization, we'd be offering free starter kits. It's THAT much better for people.

/unless they're offering smoking as a population control/tax-base dual solution, like PR from Phillips/Renolds indicated, then they should tax the healthy alternative EVEN MORE

//asthmatic - vaporization doesn't irritate me at all!


Not so fast there Mr. Vape pusher.

A lot of the vapes out there still have levels of carcinogens almost equal to the level of cigarettes. Plus, chemicals like formaldehyde and acrolein.

You'll still have time to enjoy your cancer.

/nice ad though
 
2014-01-17 03:23:28 PM

TheGogmagog: Rapmaster2000: hobnail: Rapmaster2000: FunkOut: Hard to imagine that constantly inhaling smoke particles from industrially processed plant leaves that can be used as an insecticide could be harmful.

Look, we get it that smoking is bad, but the fact that nicotine is used by plants as a defense against insects isn't in of itself anything to freak out about.

This just makes you sound like one of those ZOMG CHEMICALS people.  I would avoid it.

Not quite the same thing.  Nicotine is actually pretty toxic and in relatively low quantities.

So is the cyanide in apple seeds, but nobody expects you to worry about that.

Try eating 20 apple/peach seeds a day for 20 years and let me know how that works out for you.  Get 200 smoking friends to join you so the results are statistically significant.


Yes, it would be toxic to do so, but I'm not about to call apples "poison" because I understand context and I don't say outrageous things to score points with syncophants.
 
2014-01-17 03:33:40 PM

Rapmaster2000: TheGogmagog: Rapmaster2000: hobnail: Rapmaster2000: FunkOut: Hard to imagine that constantly inhaling smoke particles from industrially processed plant leaves that can be used as an insecticide could be harmful.

Look, we get it that smoking is bad, but the fact that nicotine is used by plants as a defense against insects isn't in of itself anything to freak out about.

This just makes you sound like one of those ZOMG CHEMICALS people.  I would avoid it.

Not quite the same thing.  Nicotine is actually pretty toxic and in relatively low quantities.

So is the cyanide in apple seeds, but nobody expects you to worry about that.

Try eating 20 apple/peach seeds a day for 20 years and let me know how that works out for you.  Get 200 smoking friends to join you so the results are statistically significant.

Yes, it would be toxic to do so, but I'm not about to call apples "poison" because I understand context and I don't say outrageous things to score points with syncophants.


Now, in that case, the cyanide would have to be evenly distributed throughout the edible part of the apple and people would eat 20 to 40 apples a day.
 
2014-01-17 03:47:01 PM
If it get cancer I intend to just eat naked mole rats until it goes away....
 
2014-01-17 03:47:56 PM

FunkOut: Rapmaster2000: TheGogmagog: Rapmaster2000: hobnail: Rapmaster2000: FunkOut: Hard to imagine that constantly inhaling smoke particles from industrially processed plant leaves that can be used as an insecticide could be harmful.

Look, we get it that smoking is bad, but the fact that nicotine is used by plants as a defense against insects isn't in of itself anything to freak out about.

This just makes you sound like one of those ZOMG CHEMICALS people.  I would avoid it.

Not quite the same thing.  Nicotine is actually pretty toxic and in relatively low quantities.

So is the cyanide in apple seeds, but nobody expects you to worry about that.

Try eating 20 apple/peach seeds a day for 20 years and let me know how that works out for you.  Get 200 smoking friends to join you so the results are statistically significant.

Yes, it would be toxic to do so, but I'm not about to call apples "poison" because I understand context and I don't say outrageous things to score points with syncophants.

Now, in that case, the cyanide would have to be evenly distributed throughout the edible part of the apple and people would eat 20 to 40 apples a day.


No, it doesn't matter.  Saying a cigarette is "insecticide" is as needlessly hyperbolic as calling a peach pit "poison".

No one is arguing your science.  I'm simply making fun of you for talking like a ninny.

Did you know that cigarettes contain Carbon Monoxide?!?  That's the same chemical produced when an orphanage filled with puppies burns down.
 
2014-01-17 03:55:09 PM

Chunky_Charlie: sobriquet by any other name: thankfully i have been using vaporization of nicotine which is FAR less addictive, no chemicals, a much shorter half-life, and much less peak-serum value... this i can tell just from 1st-hand experience.

with vaporization, 95% of the issues of smoking go away, 99.99999% of the starting-a-fire concerns go away, you can smoke in heavy winds, in your bed, in your office.. no one notices..

when I stopped smoking for a few days over christmas it wasn't like tobacco withdrawal at ALL, it was more like missing my morning cup of coffee and that was that...

if we REALLY cared about the health of the country, we wouldn't just get rid of all taxes on nicotine vaporization, we'd be offering free starter kits. It's THAT much better for people.

/unless they're offering smoking as a population control/tax-base dual solution, like PR from Phillips/Renolds indicated, then they should tax the healthy alternative EVEN MORE

//asthmatic - vaporization doesn't irritate me at all!

Not so fast there Mr. Vape pusher.

A lot of the vapes out there still have levels of carcinogens almost equal to the level of cigarettes. Plus, chemicals like formaldehyde and acrolein.

You'll still have time to enjoy your cancer.

/nice ad though


you know what else has "formaldehyde"? You. and cooked potatos. Scare words are what you have left, once technology can deliver inexpensive pure nicotine, you've changed the whole equation.

FACT: smug ass anti-smoking groups  can't standthat there is a way to be a smoker without major harm. Literally most of their lives have been spent in well-deserved concern, but now that it's no longer a concern, they're like robots, executing their nanny program.

if it wasn't so tragic (we'd rather a kid smoke a vape than a combustable  anything in any situation, ever) itd be funny.

Anti-smokers = horse and carriages
Vape = the advance of science.

//it really IS hard for them to let go. Nicotine without combustion just doesn't compute.
 
2014-01-17 04:00:16 PM

Jmb5346: Having recently quit, I definitely believe smokers get treated like second-class citizens. It's the main reason I quit. It's a pain in the ass to have to hide it from new friends and coworkers when they're only going to inevitably find out. When I first started, I couldn't go out with most of my friends without one of them trying to start a drunk argument over why I should quit and why I embarrass them. We all have our vices, just let me live.  People who still biatch about it piss me off.

I understand if you have kids nearby though. I made an active effort to never smoke near children. But if you're an adult, act like it. Don't need to be throwing around the stink eye.


fark you, smokie. You are a second-class citizen for a very good reason. You decided to use a mild stimulant that makes everyone around you cough/smell bad, and that has hideous health effects. You are a farking moron. You deserve ALL the stink eye.
 
2014-01-17 04:00:23 PM
(That, and all the sad, sad people who've been tricked into believing that nicotine is the only, and the worst, addictive chemical in combustion cigarettes. That's not funny either, because by itself it's like more like caffeine, but the manufactures added tons of other chemicals that are syngeristic.. and THAT's what makes your grandma smoke through her neck.. people are understandably confused by it, having been lied to for so long)
 
2014-01-17 04:03:31 PM

sobriquet by any other name: (That, and all the sad, sad people who've been tricked into believing that nicotine is the only, and the worst, addictive chemical in combustion cigarettes. That's not funny either, because by itself it's like more like caffeine, but the manufactures added tons of other chemicals that are syngeristic.. and THAT's what makes your grandma smoke through her neck.. people are understandably confused by it, having been lied to for so long)


Yeah, that's bullshiat. There are pretty much an infinite amount of toxic chemicals in tobacco smoke, tar and nicotine being just the worst ones. The added formaldehyde, etc., doesn't help, but it's the least of the problem.
 
2014-01-17 04:25:20 PM

mbillips: sobriquet by any other name: (That, and all the sad, sad people who've been tricked into believing that nicotine is the only, and the worst, addictive chemical in combustion cigarettes. That's not funny either, because by itself it's like more like caffeine, but the manufactures added tons of other chemicals that are syngeristic.. and THAT's what makes your grandma smoke through her neck.. people are understandably confused by it, having been lied to for so long)

Yeah, that's bullshiat. There are pretty much an infinite amount of toxic chemicals in tobacco smoke, tar and nicotine being just the worst ones. The added formaldehyde, etc., doesn't help, but it's the least of the problem.


nicotine isn't even the worst one. It's only as bad as it is in the presence of the other additives which themselves display choligenic activity and are  highlysynergistic with nicotine. There's two main addictive additions to cigarettes:

1) Ammonia, formulation of paper, and 'anti-smouldering' chemicals all increase the rate at which nicotine is delievered, even after the act of smoking, as those particles remain in your lungs to deliver further nicotine

and

2) (Read this in Science News as a study before the internet was prevalent) several chemicals that increase nicotines's activity at the nicotinic/acetylcholine receptors by a factor of 6 or 7 times, leading to a much deeper addiction, with subjectively different and extremely powerful withdrawal experience.

People can't get addicted to pure nicotine in vaporization like you see in any "normal" cigarettes (american spirits included) because it's not even appropriate to describe the effects of a normal cigarettes as "nicotine". It is SO engineered.
 
2014-01-17 04:30:14 PM

mbillips: sobriquet by any other name: (That, and all the sad, sad people who've been tricked into believing that nicotine is the only, and the worst, addictive chemical in combustion cigarettes. That's not funny either, because by itself it's like more like caffeine, but the manufactures added tons of other chemicals that are syngeristic.. and THAT's what makes your grandma smoke through her neck.. people are understandably confused by it, having been lied to for so long)

Yeah, that's bullshiat. There are pretty much an infinite amount of toxic chemicals in tobacco smoke, tar and nicotine being just the worst ones. The added formaldehyde, etc., doesn't help, but it's the least of the problem.


i'm with you though man, pardon, after realizing how f'd combustion cigarettes really are, i've been on my soapbox)
 
2014-01-17 07:49:13 PM

m3000: Does it cause assholes too, or do anti-smokers just start out that way?


The people I know who smoke are about a million times nicer than the people I know who don't.
 
2014-01-17 08:10:46 PM
Let's not forget Spontaneous Decapitation and the condition known as "hot dog fingers".
 
2014-01-17 08:12:13 PM
Did the article also mention that smoking gives you colon cancer?
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2014-01-17 09:35:29 PM
Well, since it's so bad for people, that's why it's banned and illegal and not generating insane amounts of tax revenue for the government, right?
 
2014-01-17 11:04:42 PM

untaken_name: Well, since it's so bad for people, that's why it's banned and illegal and not generating insane amounts of tax revenue for the government, right?


Yep, I've always thought, if it's so gawdamed terrible why don't they just ban it entirely. Big $$$ Is the only answer I can come up with.

I still enjoy smoking. Roll my own so, hopefully less additives.
 
2014-01-18 12:57:07 AM

hardinparamedic: POPPY COCK AND BALDERDASH.

I have a report here from the Heartland Institute, a group which is of immense repute I assure you, Sir, that says smoking actually contributes to long life, cures cancer, and makes your heart stronger.

Your "scientific research" is just part of Big Government, Sir! Wake up, sheeplemitter.


This is a Communist Agitator.
 
2014-01-18 01:14:59 AM
fine, don't want people smoking outlaw it. pass a prohibition on smoking. no more cigarette manufacturing here. no distribution. none of that.

no more sin taxes either so that will have to be filled in somehow. but hey no more smoking.

if you can't or won't do that SHUT THE fark UP. NOW. stop with the reports, the chicken shiat you can't smoke here, or here, or here laws. just stop.
 
2014-01-18 12:32:53 PM

sobriquet by any other name: Chunky_Charlie: sobriquet by any other name: thankfully i have been using vaporization of nicotine which is FAR less addictive, no chemicals, a much shorter half-life, and much less peak-serum value... this i can tell just from 1st-hand experience.

with vaporization, 95% of the issues of smoking go away, 99.99999% of the starting-a-fire concerns go away, you can smoke in heavy winds, in your bed, in your office.. no one notices..

when I stopped smoking for a few days over christmas it wasn't like tobacco withdrawal at ALL, it was more like missing my morning cup of coffee and that was that...

if we REALLY cared about the health of the country, we wouldn't just get rid of all taxes on nicotine vaporization, we'd be offering free starter kits. It's THAT much better for people.

/unless they're offering smoking as a population control/tax-base dual solution, like PR from Phillips/Renolds indicated, then they should tax the healthy alternative EVEN MORE

//asthmatic - vaporization doesn't irritate me at all!

Not so fast there Mr. Vape pusher.

A lot of the vapes out there still have levels of carcinogens almost equal to the level of cigarettes. Plus, chemicals like formaldehyde and acrolein.

You'll still have time to enjoy your cancer.

/nice ad though

you know what else has "formaldehyde"? You. and cooked potatos. Scare words are what you have left, once technology can deliver inexpensive pure nicotine, you've changed the whole equation.

FACT: smug ass anti-smoking groups  can't standthat there is a way to be a smoker without major harm. Literally most of their lives have been spent in well-deserved concern, but now that it's no longer a concern, they're like robots, executing their nanny program.

if it wasn't so tragic (we'd rather a kid smoke a vape than a combustable  anything in any situation, ever) itd be funny.

Anti-smokers = horse and carriages
Vape = the advance of science.

//it really IS hard for them to let go. Nicotine without combustion just doesn ...


This. Why the panic when something is found to actually reduce the harm and help you quit? There's something else going on in their messed up heads.
 
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