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(The Wire)   Though it's difficult to see how that's possible, new surgeon general's report say that smoking is even WORSE for you than previously thought; linking it to diabetes complications, birth defects, auto-immune diseases, and even tuberculosis   (thewire.com) divider line 137
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2014-01-17 12:32:14 PM
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2014-01-17 12:32:54 PM

ReverendJynxed: And they have been actively working to make them worse. Nice.



Cigarettes are now the size of road flares.

CHARGE US $5.85 PER PACK NOW, SUCKERS!
 
2014-01-17 12:33:11 PM

MrBallou: I only dated one smoker in my life, briefly. It was like kissing a wet ashtray. Yuck.

Sad Story Bro: My dad smoked for 30 years, then quit for another 30 years. Lung cancer got him anyway.


Not to make light of it but unless he started smoking at age 12 he probably beat the average life expectancy.
 
2014-01-17 12:33:36 PM

m3000: Does it cause assholes too, or do smokers just start out that way?

/the smoke doesn't magically disappear just because your outside
// amazed at how often smokers are offended when I politely ask them not to light up since it's blowing right at me


You sound like more of an asshole than any reformed smoker I've ever met. Could you not post while I'm in here? It bothers me.
 
2014-01-17 12:34:06 PM
I don't understand this.  If tuberculosis is caused by a bacteria, how does smoking also cause it?  Is the SG saying the smoking weakens the immune system and leads to tuberculosis more easily?  That would make more sense, than saying smoking causes TB.
 
2014-01-17 12:35:08 PM

Onkel Buck: m3000: Does it cause assholes too, or do smokers just start out that way?

/the smoke doesn't magically disappear just because your outside
// amazed at how often smokers are offended when I politely ask them not to light up since it's blowing right at me

You sound like more of an asshole than any reformed smoker I've ever met. Could you not post while I'm in here? It bothers me.



What if he moves downthread to post?
 
2014-01-17 12:36:57 PM

marsgwar: I don't understand this.  If tuberculosis is caused by a bacteria, how does smoking also cause it?  Is the SG saying the smoking weakens the immune system and leads to tuberculosis more easily?  That would make more sense, than saying smoking causes TB.


Yes, kind of like saying open sores cause staph infections or walking around with bacon on your butt will get you dog bites.
 
2014-01-17 12:37:13 PM
Also, most of the people who get lung cancer from radon gas are smokers. The two carcinogenic effects combine to greatly increase mortality. Radon gas is the main cause of lung cancer among non-smokers, although second hand smoke contributes.

http://www.epa.gov/radon/healthrisks.html#head

The above link has a nice table of the risks from smoking and exposure to radon.

For example, if you expose 1,000 smokers to a high level of radon (20 pCi/L) about 260 of them would get lung cancer, which is about 250 times the risk of drowning. At one tenth of the above level of exposure (2 pCi/L) , about 32 people would get cancer, about 5 times the risk of dying by poisoning.

At 0.4 pCi/L, which is to say outdoor levels of Radon, only 3 people would get cancer.

The risk of cancer among non-smokers is much lower. 36 versus 260, 4 versus 32, and 0 versus 3 for the levels noted above.

The moral is clear. Don't smoke and stay the Hell out of your Mother's Basement, you little troll. You get to choose a death from something more interesting or perhaps less painful than lung cancer. You might even get a Fark headline if you're stupid enough.
 
2014-01-17 12:38:05 PM

Onkel Buck: m3000: Does it cause assholes too, or do smokers just start out that way?

/the smoke doesn't magically disappear just because your outside
// amazed at how often smokers are offended when I politely ask them not to light up since it's blowing right at me

You sound like more of an asshole than any reformed smoker I've ever met. Could you not post while I'm in here? It bothers me.


Probably dumps a bottle or two of cheap cologne or aftershave and makes EVERYONE sick.

/Can't even take an elevator after these smelly, inconsiderate, "let me share my perfume with everyone!" people. They're even less considerate than the jerks who don't turn off the LOUD, BASS-THUMPING music at the gas pump or drive-thru.
 
2014-01-17 12:38:17 PM

Crudbucket: So? Anybody still smoking obviously doesn't give a shiat.


This, I'm trying to run out the clock and die as fast as possible. Stop trying to make me live to 90.
 
2014-01-17 12:42:32 PM

hobnail: MrBallou: I only dated one smoker in my life, briefly. It was like kissing a wet ashtray. Yuck.

Sad Story Bro: My dad smoked for 30 years, then quit for another 30 years. Lung cancer got him anyway.

Not to make light of it but unless he started smoking at age 12 he probably beat the average life expectancy.


True, he was 76, but the lung cancer was the aggressive type you typically see in smokers and I believe (but obviously can't prove) that it was from the smoking. He thought he had dodged that particular bullet.

My intended point is that the effects can be felt for a long time after you stop. Take home message: don't ever start, kids.
 
2014-01-17 12:42:56 PM

CtrlAltDestroy: Seriously, all smoking does is worsen your health and bother others. What the point? Why continue to do it?


No, that's not all it does. It is enjoyable. Nicotine is a stimulant.
 
2014-01-17 12:43:08 PM

phenn: m3000: Does it cause assholes too, or do smokers just start out that way?

/the smoke doesn't magically disappear just because your outside
// amazed at how often smokers are offended when I politely ask them not to light up since it's blowing right at me

Oh, god.

Stand somewhere else and get on with your life. You sound like my sister.


By that logic, I should be able to stand anywhere I want and engage in my hobby of spraying pesticides in the air. If you don't like it, move along.

It's a shame your sister got all the brains in your family.
 
2014-01-17 12:43:49 PM
Considering the fact that cigarettes today are filled with lower quality tobacco and more toxic filth additives than the cigs your grandfather used to smoke, I'm not surprised.
 
2014-01-17 12:44:24 PM

FunkOut: Hard to imagine that constantly inhaling smoke particles from industrially processed plant leaves that can be used as an insecticide could be harmful. The amazing list of additives in cigarettes compared to plain old tobacco leaves is really super not healthy.


Smokers need to start smoking this brand
www.sweetmedicineshoppe.com
 
2014-01-17 12:48:53 PM
i71.photobucket.com
 
2014-01-17 12:50:15 PM

Stone Meadow: extroverted_suicide: This is why I limit myself to binge drinking.

Between that and the green dragon I don't need no steenk'n cigarettes.


Well, I've been riding those 3 ponies for 20 plus years.

Time for football, some nice reggae, and flavor country.
 
2014-01-17 12:53:13 PM

hobnail: Rapmaster2000: FunkOut: Hard to imagine that constantly inhaling smoke particles from industrially processed plant leaves that can be used as an insecticide could be harmful.

Look, we get it that smoking is bad, but the fact that nicotine is used by plants as a defense against insects isn't in of itself anything to freak out about.

This just makes you sound like one of those ZOMG CHEMICALS people.  I would avoid it.

Not quite the same thing.  Nicotine is actually pretty toxic and in relatively low quantities.


So is the cyanide in apple seeds, but nobody expects you to worry about that.
 
2014-01-17 12:54:27 PM
Is there anything tobacco can't do ?
 
2014-01-17 12:54:59 PM
Is that right? Who's done more research on the subject than the good people at the American Tobacco Industry? They say it's harmless. Why would they lie? If you're dead, you can't smoke.
 
2014-01-17 12:55:24 PM

Rapmaster2000: So is the cyanide in apple seeds, but nobody expects you to worry about that.


Or hell, even the potassium in bananas

even enough of this horrible substance called dihydrogen monooxide, now that is a killer substance
 
WGJ
2014-01-17 12:56:57 PM

marsgwar: I don't understand this.  If tuberculosis is caused by a bacteria, how does smoking also cause it?  Is the SG saying the smoking weakens the immune system and leads to tuberculosis more easily?  That would make more sense, than saying smoking causes TB.


Forget it, they're rolling.
 
2014-01-17 12:59:32 PM

SuperNinjaToad: FunkOut: Hard to imagine that constantly inhaling smoke particles from industrially processed plant leaves that can be used as an insecticide could be harmful. The amazing list of additives in cigarettes compared to plain old tobacco leaves is really super not healthy.

Smokers need to start smoking this brand
[www.sweetmedicineshoppe.com image 260x311]


When I smoked cigarettes, I too endeavored towards getting cancer the natural way.

/actually it was just a taste thing, but whatever; cigars win the taste fight and don't wreck my lungs
//just my wallet
 
2014-01-17 12:59:52 PM
"Smoking has ZERO positive effects." iduno, at least it pisses off the rubes.
 
2014-01-17 01:00:11 PM
What about cigars? Are my cigars okay?

/Like Bill Clinton, i don't inhale.
 
2014-01-17 01:03:47 PM

Rapmaster2000: hobnail: Rapmaster2000: FunkOut: Hard to imagine that constantly inhaling smoke particles from industrially processed plant leaves that can be used as an insecticide could be harmful.

Look, we get it that smoking is bad, but the fact that nicotine is used by plants as a defense against insects isn't in of itself anything to freak out about.

This just makes you sound like one of those ZOMG CHEMICALS people.  I would avoid it.

Not quite the same thing.  Nicotine is actually pretty toxic and in relatively low quantities.

So is the cyanide in apple seeds, but nobody expects you to worry about that.


Yeah, they do. See Section 1.7.
 
2014-01-17 01:04:56 PM

Phony_Soldier: What about cigars? Are my cigars okay?

/Like Bill Clinton, i don't inhale.


As long as you don't mind throat and mouth cancer, they're fine. Or you could switch to snuff, and wind up with a tumerous lip.
 
2014-01-17 01:05:24 PM

stevenboof: When I smoke at work, I don't light up until I am about five feet from the garbage dumpster, yet to him/her, I am still an asshole.


Well, you might be an asshole, regardless. How should I know? I only just met you. All I know about you is that you're a farker. So I'd sat that it's a 50/50 shot.
 
2014-01-17 01:05:58 PM

CtrlAltDestroy: Smoking has ZERO positive effects. It only as negative effects. And no, the calming effect or pleasurable rush you get from taking a drag is not a positive effect. The temporary removal of withdraw symptoms is not the same as an actual good thing.

Seriously, all smoking does is worsen your health and bother others. What the point? Why continue to do it? Although I know the most common reasons. Because breaking addiction is too hard and/or they just don't care.


CtrlAltDestroy: And no, the calming effect or pleasurable rush you get from taking a drag is not a positive effect


CtrlAltDestroy: calming effect or pleasurable rush


iat also acts as a stimulant shortly after waking and a depressant shortly before sleep. It can provide something to do during otherwise idle time. Having grown up around tobacco curing barns, I enjoy the smell. There's a conditioning aspect involved with habitual use (smoke during idle time, the act of smoking itself becomes a calming activity), and there are very few things in this world as awesome as that first cigarette when you wake up. Because reasons.

You can find substitutes or contest the merits of any particular point of enjoyment involved with tobacco use, but there's a reason people have been consuming it for a very long time wherever it grows naturally. It is an overall pleasurable activity, though some people work very hard to make it not so. Has its time passed in modern society? Perhaps, but to argue that it's a pleasure-less activity with no benefits at all is ignorant or dishonest.
 
2014-01-17 01:06:26 PM
Is it bad to have a smoking fetish if you're a non smoker?
 
2014-01-17 01:09:23 PM

Eddie Ate Dynamite: but to argue that it's a pleasure-less activity with no benefits at all is ignorant or dishonest.


Eh, fair enough. It's a short term stimulant. Even so the list of negatives far, far outweigh that one positive.
 
2014-01-17 01:15:29 PM

m3000: Does it cause assholes too, or do smokers just start out that way?

/the smoke doesn't magically disappear just because your outside
// amazed at how often smokers are offended when I politely ask them not to light up since it's blowing right at me


You sound like a douche, so I don't blame them. I'd do it too.
 
2014-01-17 01:15:31 PM

Rapmaster2000: hobnail: Rapmaster2000: FunkOut: Hard to imagine that constantly inhaling smoke particles from industrially processed plant leaves that can be used as an insecticide could be harmful.

Look, we get it that smoking is bad, but the fact that nicotine is used by plants as a defense against insects isn't in of itself anything to freak out about.

This just makes you sound like one of those ZOMG CHEMICALS people.  I would avoid it.

Not quite the same thing.  Nicotine is actually pretty toxic and in relatively low quantities.

So is the cyanide in apple seeds, but nobody expects you to worry about that.


Try eating 20 apple/peach seeds a day for 20 years and let me know how that works out for you.  Get 200 smoking friends to join you so the results are statistically significant.
 
2014-01-17 01:15:49 PM

Rapmaster2000: hobnail: Rapmaster2000: FunkOut: Hard to imagine that constantly inhaling smoke particles from industrially processed plant leaves that can be used as an insecticide could be harmful.

Look, we get it that smoking is bad, but the fact that nicotine is used by plants as a defense against insects isn't in of itself anything to freak out about.

This just makes you sound like one of those ZOMG CHEMICALS people.  I would avoid it.

Not quite the same thing.  Nicotine is actually pretty toxic and in relatively low quantities.

So is the cyanide in apple seeds, but nobody expects you to worry about that.


I never heard of an orchard worker getting sick from working around apples but Green Tobacco Sickness is a real thing.

Seriously, are you unaware that nicotine is acutely toxic?
 
2014-01-17 01:15:52 PM

Eddie Ate Dynamite: CtrlAltDestroy: Smoking has ZERO positive effects. It only as negative effects. And no, the calming effect or pleasurable rush you get from taking a drag is not a positive effect. The temporary removal of withdraw symptoms is not the same as an actual good thing.

Seriously, all smoking does is worsen your health and bother others. What the point? Why continue to do it? Although I know the most common reasons. Because breaking addiction is too hard and/or they just don't care.

CtrlAltDestroy: And no, the calming effect or pleasurable rush you get from taking a drag is not a positive effect

CtrlAltDestroy: calming effect or pleasurable rush

iat also acts as a stimulant shortly after waking and a depressant shortly before sleep. It can provide something to do during otherwise idle time. Having grown up around tobacco curing barns, I enjoy the smell. There's a conditioning aspect involved with habitual use (smoke during idle time, the act of smoking itself becomes a calming activity), and there are very few things in this world as awesome as that first cigarette when you wake up. Because reasons.

You can find substitutes or contest the merits of any particular point of enjoyment involved with tobacco use, but there's a reason people have been consuming it for a very long time wherever it grows naturally. It is an overall pleasurable activity, though some people work very hard to make it not so. Has its time passed in modern society? Perhaps, but to argue that it's a pleasure-less activity with no benefits at all is ignorant or dishonest.


I knew some small-scale tobacco farmers a ways back (very common second profession for many of the Chesapeake Bay "watermen" who catch crabs and "O'ster's" during the summer) and it struck me that like most smokers they really hated tobacco farming but were more or less "hooked"    First, growing tobacco is hell on your land, it pretty much ruins it for any other crop (and unless you want a sky-high fertilizer bill, you've pretty much got to take a particular field out of tobacco production and set it to growing legumes like beans or peanuts to repair the soil about once every 4 years or so).  Secondly you have a very limited group of customers you can sell your product to, and while they make a great show of buying it at auction, they major tobacco buyers have pretty obviously colluded to fix prices, and they fix them at a point where you make   just enough from the sale that you can;t justify getting ut of the crop cause you lost money, but not enough that you can really afford to switch crops because the soil is so damaged it'll take a few years before yeilds of anything else are up to snuff.
 
2014-01-17 01:17:34 PM
imageshack.com
 
2014-01-17 01:20:57 PM

Perrybucsdad: So basically, smoking can cause every known malady to mankind except anal seepage.... well, that's good news at least.


I'd have to disagree...

I smoked a couple cigs a day for about a year...  One of the things I miss was waking up in the morning and having a cup of coffee and a few drags.  Because I knew the combination would cause my lower GI to suddenly wake up and start screaming "YOU POOP NOW!!!1!!"  Some days it was a good ten minutes that sounded like lumpy gravy being shot out of a high pressure hose into a half full fishtank.

But yeah, the cancer and inability to climb a set of stairs without wheezing isn't a good trade off for being able to take a massive dump at will.
 
2014-01-17 01:25:00 PM
Have they banned it yet?
 
2014-01-17 01:30:07 PM

evilmousse: "Smoking has ZERO positive effects." iduno, at least it pisses off the rubes.


That's not what the marijuana smoking contingnet says.  Marijuana smoke contians magical illness-curing hunger fog that is 100% biodegradable.
 
2014-01-17 01:30:21 PM

moike: But yeah, the cancer and inability to climb a set of stairs without wheezing isn't a good trade off for being able to take a massive dump at will.


I don't know, it really helped when I wanted to take an upper decker in an ex's bathroom
 
2014-01-17 01:31:44 PM

Perducci: phenn: m3000: Does it cause assholes too, or do smokers just start out that way?

/the smoke doesn't magically disappear just because your outside
// amazed at how often smokers are offended when I politely ask them not to light up since it's blowing right at me

Oh, god.

Stand somewhere else and get on with your life. You sound like my sister.

By that logic, I should be able to stand anywhere I want and engage in my hobby of spraying pesticides in the air. If you don't like it, move along.

It's a shame your sister got all the brains in your family.


Go for it, anyone who isn't stupid will... move the hell away from you.  And then probably laugh at you cause you are dumb.
 
2014-01-17 01:33:07 PM
Um, how is this news now? I mean, we've been hearing this exact thing for years. Exact. Everytime I go to the doctor he asks if I smoke and tells me not to start because it farks up my shiat worse.
 
2014-01-17 01:33:19 PM

Dr Jack Badofsky: evilmousse: "Smoking has ZERO positive effects." iduno, at least it pisses off the rubes.

That's not what the marijuana smoking contingnet says.  Marijuana smoke contians magical illness-curing hunger fog that is 100% biodegradable.


For reasons not entirely clear to science as of yet, that's somewhat true.  marijuana smoke != tobacco smoke.  Among other things incidence of lung cancer is MUCH lower among MJ smokers (though this may have something to do with quantity, ever known anyone who smoked 40 joints a day?  but a two pack a day smoker is pretty normal)  and scientist HAVE tentatively identified several anti-cancer compounds in MJ.
 
2014-01-17 01:35:35 PM

Dr Jack Badofsky: evilmousse: "Smoking has ZERO positive effects." iduno, at least it pisses off the rubes.

That's not what the marijuana smoking contingnet says.  Marijuana smoke contians magical illness-curing hunger fog that is 100% biodegradable.


Plus it will make white women sleep with black men.
 
2014-01-17 01:46:30 PM
devilEther:

Seriously, quit smoking tobacco cigarettes now. Switch to synthetic marijuana.

FTFY.

1.bp.blogspot.com

You can pry my pipes and stogies from my aromatic, tannin-stained fingers.
 
2014-01-17 01:46:33 PM

Snarfangel: ReverendJynxed: And they have been actively working to make them worse. Nice.


Cigarettes are now the size of road flares.

CHARGE US $5.85 PER PACK NOW, SUCKERS!


I can get a flares a hell of a lot cheaper than smokes and they're likely better for your health.

Up here in Washington the smokes run closer to ten bucks a pack.

/not a smoker and glad
 
2014-01-17 01:49:40 PM
thankfully i have been using vaporization of nicotine which is FAR less addictive, no chemicals, a much shorter half-life, and much less peak-serum value... this i can tell just from 1st-hand experience.

with vaporization, 95% of the issues of smoking go away, 99.99999% of the starting-a-fire concerns go away, you can smoke in heavy winds, in your bed, in your office.. no one notices..

when I stopped smoking for a few days over christmas it wasn't like tobacco withdrawal at ALL, it was more like missing my morning cup of coffee and that was that...

if we REALLY cared about the health of the country, we wouldn't just get rid of all taxes on nicotine vaporization, we'd be offering free starter kits. It's THAT much better for people.

/unless they're offering smoking as a population control/tax-base dual solution, like PR from Phillips/Renolds indicated, then they should tax the healthy alternative EVEN MORE

//asthmatic - vaporization doesn't irritate me at all!
 
2014-01-17 01:51:20 PM
www.guy-sports.com
 
2014-01-17 01:54:24 PM
Just popped in to be the asshole who says, "I quit cold turkey last July, and if my whiny ass can do it, no one else has any excuse." So there.
 
2014-01-17 02:01:01 PM

sobriquet by any other name: thankfully i have been using vaporization of nicotine which is FAR less addictive, no chemicals, a much shorter half-life, and much less peak-serum value... this i can tell just from 1st-hand experience.

with vaporization, 95% of the issues of smoking go away, 99.99999% of the starting-a-fire concerns go away, you can smoke in heavy winds, in your bed, in your office.. no one notices..

when I stopped smoking for a few days over christmas it wasn't like tobacco withdrawal at ALL, it was more like missing my morning cup of coffee and that was that...

if we REALLY cared about the health of the country, we wouldn't just get rid of all taxes on nicotine vaporization, we'd be offering free starter kits. It's THAT much better for people.

/unless they're offering smoking as a population control/tax-base dual solution, like PR from Phillips/Renolds indicated, then they should tax the healthy alternative EVEN MORE

//asthmatic - vaporization doesn't irritate me at all!


Whatever, druggie.
 
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