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(The Wire)   Though it's difficult to see how that's possible, new surgeon general's report say that smoking is even WORSE for you than previously thought; linking it to diabetes complications, birth defects, auto-immune diseases, and even tuberculosis   (thewire.com) divider line 137
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2014-01-17 11:38:34 AM
POPPY COCK AND BALDERDASH.

I have a report here from the Heartland Institute, a group which is of immense repute I assure you, Sir, that says smoking actually contributes to long life, cures cancer, and makes your heart stronger.

Your "scientific research" is just part of Big Government, Sir! Wake up, sheeplemitter.
 
2014-01-17 12:02:42 PM
So? Anybody still smoking obviously doesn't give a shiat.
 
2014-01-17 12:03:29 PM
Yep, that's what it say.
 
2014-01-17 12:03:31 PM
Does it cause assholes too, or do smokers just start out that way?

/the smoke doesn't magically disappear just because your outside
// amazed at how often smokers are offended when I politely ask them not to light up since it's blowing right at me
 
2014-01-17 12:06:43 PM
Hard to imagine that constantly inhaling smoke particles from industrially processed plant leaves that can be used as an insecticide could be harmful. The amazing list of additives in cigarettes compared to plain old tobacco leaves is really super not healthy.
 
2014-01-17 12:06:47 PM
Wait a minute...smoking is bad for you?!
 
2014-01-17 12:06:52 PM

hardinparamedic: POPPY COCK AND BALDERDASH.

I have a report here from the Heartland Institute, a group which is of immense repute I assure you, Sir, that says smoking actually contributes to long life, cures cancer, and makes your heart stronger.

Your "scientific research" is just part of Big Government, Sir! Wake up, sheeplemitter.


It's crazy to me that I haven't started seeing crazy rants comparing rationalwiki to conservapedia.
 
2014-01-17 12:08:20 PM

Crudbucket: So? Anybody still smoking obviously doesn't give a shiat.


*ding*, nailed it.

The generation that grew up thinking smoking was 'ok' has pretty much all died of of old age, or smoking related illnesses.

If you're smoking now, you knew the risks before you started, and did it anyway.

BTW, I have no problems with smokers.
 
2014-01-17 12:08:20 PM
wellmedicated.com

Seriously, quit smoking tobacco now. Switch to synthetic marijuana.
 
2014-01-17 12:08:21 PM
Wow, smoking is as bad for you as being obese...
 
2014-01-17 12:09:25 PM

m3000: Does it cause assholes too, or do smokers just start out that way?

/the smoke doesn't magically disappear just because your outside
// amazed at how often smokers are offended when I politely ask them not to light up since it's blowing right at me


I guess that's much easier than just moving upwind from them.  Do you also politely ask drivers to not allow their cars to run around you?
 
2014-01-17 12:09:48 PM

ikanreed: It's crazy to me that I haven't started seeing crazy rants comparing rationalwiki to conservapedia.


Oh, they're out there. Mainly from people who are hurt about their "State of Conservapedia" this week features.

The good thing is, however, the history of the heartland institute and their whoring of the "healthiness of smoking", back before they got into climate change denialism, is well documented.
 
2014-01-17 12:10:10 PM
Somebody tell Jenny McCarthy that second-hand smoke causes autism. We'll have every mouth-breathing home schooler aboard the anti-smoking train before you can say, "No, it doesn't, farknuts."
 
2014-01-17 12:11:49 PM
sounds like they're gearing up for another round of taxes
you know for the chirruns
 
2014-01-17 12:12:11 PM

stevenboof: m3000: Does it cause assholes too, or do smokers just start out that way?

/the smoke doesn't magically disappear just because your outside
// amazed at how often smokers are offended when I politely ask them not to light up since it's blowing right at me

I guess that's much easier than just moving upwind from them.  Do you also politely ask drivers to not allow their cars to run around you?


I'm sure it's always blowing right at him, no matter where he's standing
 
2014-01-17 12:12:38 PM
Thanks Obama.
 
2014-01-17 12:12:40 PM
Why does the media have such a bias against smoking?

I mean, you never hear any POSITIVE stories about it. Just once, could they remind us that smoking makes you look cool?

C'mon, now.
 
2014-01-17 12:15:14 PM
Cigarettes will actually chase you down the street, beat you up, and steal your lunch money.
 
2014-01-17 12:15:34 PM
So basically, smoking can cause every known malady to mankind except anal seepage.... well, that's good news at least.
 
2014-01-17 12:15:52 PM
This is why I limit myself to binge drinking.
 
2014-01-17 12:15:56 PM

BarryTheMasterOfSandwich: Why does the media have such a bias against smoking?

I mean, you never hear any POSITIVE stories about it. Just once, could they remind us that smoking makes you look cool?

C'mon, now.


I read somewhere (Freakonomics?) that kids don't start smoking because it looks cool. They do it because the actually cool kids (who are born risk takers and leaders) smoke, so they think it makes them look like the cool kids.

I give people a pass who started smoking in 6th grade the way a lot of my friends in Tennessee did (tobacco growing state; they were chewing tobacco in 4th grade). No 12-year-old is really responsible for that kind of decision-making. But the people who start smoking in college? They need a good nutpunch.
 
2014-01-17 12:16:50 PM
Is it really the smoking or is all the chemical additives?
 
2014-01-17 12:17:01 PM

hardinparamedic: ikanreed: It's crazy to me that I haven't started seeing crazy rants comparing rationalwiki to conservapedia.

Oh, they're out there. Mainly from people who are hurt about their "State of Conservapedia" this week features.

The good thing is, however, the history of the heartland institute and their whoring of the "healthiness of smoking", back before they got into climate change denialism, is well documented.


I just can't imagine being an academic roped into using your years of hard work getting a PhD for putting a nice label on lies.  I get the institute, but I don't get the people who work there.
 
2014-01-17 12:17:08 PM
Well, smoking makes you look cool. I guess if you're happy being a square who prefers being physically healthy than socially adored, then sure, don't light up. But if you're a rebel at heart who likes to live on the edge and gains the adoration and attention of everyone else who is cool, then get your ass down to the convenience store and get yourself a hard pack of Marlboros.
 
2014-01-17 12:17:09 PM

FunkOut: Hard to imagine that constantly inhaling smoke particles from industrially processed plant leaves that can be used as an insecticide could be harmful.


Look, we get it that smoking is bad, but the fact that nicotine is used by plants as a defense against insects isn't in of itself anything to freak out about.

This just makes you sound like one of those ZOMG CHEMICALS people.  I would avoid it.
 
2014-01-17 12:17:23 PM

Heamer: Wait a minute...smoking is bad for you?!



When I first heard that, you could have knocked me over with a cigar.
 
2014-01-17 12:17:32 PM
While I am glad I quit smoking...cigs about 20 years ago, eliminating even my occasional cigar a couple years back...I can't take anything seriously that is being said by someone name Boris. No matter what he says, I always just hear "Moose and Squirrel."
 
2014-01-17 12:18:43 PM

Weatherkiss: Well, smoking makes you look cool. I guess if you're happy being a square who prefers being physically healthy than socially adored, then sure, don't light up. But if you're a rebel at heart who likes to live on the edge and gains the adoration and attention of everyone else who is cool, then get your ass down to the convenience store and get yourself a hard pack of Marlboros.


Smoking makes you thin while it kills you too, so it has that going for it.
 
2014-01-17 12:18:58 PM

ikanreed: I just can't imagine being an academic roped into using your years of hard work getting a PhD for putting a nice label on lies.  I get the institute, but I don't get the people who work there.


If you notice a running theme with their "Experts", they all tend to also be deeply embroiled in right winged political punditry as a rule.

Plus, from what I understand, the pay is exceptionally well. Phillip Morris, and later, Exxon Mobil paid these people very well for their services and whitepapers.
 
2014-01-17 12:19:06 PM

m3000: Does it cause assholes too, or do smokers just start out that way?

/the smoke doesn't magically disappear just because your outside
// amazed at how often smokers are offended when I politely ask them not to light up since it's blowing right at me


My wants > your wants + I need my next nicotine fix = asshat smoker.

The one's who realize that most non smokers find the effects of their drug addiction (smell from smoke, etc) to be something from unpleasant to vile tend to be kind enough to stick to the golden rule. Don't annoy others as you wouldn't want to be annoyed. They're not smoke around others or stand downwind or something to that effect.

It's the entitled dick bags who I have a problem with. The ones who think that their desire to smoke comes before all, that no one could possible find it to be so offensive to their senses, and that you simply don't matter when their wants come into play that need to die in a fire.

Smokers, please remember that the smell lingers. You might not be able to smell it anymore, as your often engulfed in it and your senses deaden to it, but non smokers absolutely can. It embeds itself in your clothes, in your car, and in the very walls. I used to be able to tell which co-worker was walking behind me at my desk fresh from a smoke break by what kind of cigarettes they smelled like. My mom had a box of documents in her bedroom in a cabinet. She used to smoke in there a lot. Years later, when that box spent a decade in storage I opened it to look for something and was hit hard by the smell of cigarette smoke. My ex knew when I came back from visiting my mom because she could smell the lingering smoke on my clothes simply from being in her house.

Many of us find it to be quite unpleasant. If you don't then don't be a douche about it. It's no different than complaining about the person in the next apartment playing loud music all night.

Smoking has ZERO positive effects. It only as negative effects. And no, the calming effect or pleasurable rush you get from taking a drag is not a positive effect. The temporary removal of withdraw symptoms is not the same as an actual good thing.

Seriously, all smoking does is worsen your health and bother others. What the point? Why continue to do it? Although I know the most common reasons. Because breaking addiction is too hard and/or they just don't care.

Meh.
 
2014-01-17 12:19:08 PM
~~Denis Leary: It doesn't matter how big the warnings on the cigarettes are; you could have a black pack, with a skull and crossbones on the front, called TUMORS, and smokers would be around the block going, "I can't wait to get my hands on these farking things! I bet ya get a tumor as soon as you light up!"

//while it may help discourage some, there will always be people who smoke no matter what the consequence.
//just like many other negative behaviours that humans engage
 
2014-01-17 12:20:13 PM

extroverted_suicide: This is why I limit myself to binge drinking.


Between that and the green dragon I don't need no steenk'n cigarettes.
 
2014-01-17 12:21:03 PM
People who hate smoking are insignificant Walter Mitty's and are best off simply ignored.
 
2014-01-17 12:21:24 PM

Perrybucsdad: So basically, smoking can cause every known malady to mankind except anal seepage.... well, that's good news at least.



Don't be such a tight-ass.
 
2014-01-17 12:21:29 PM

KarmicDisaster: Weatherkiss: Well, smoking makes you look cool. I guess if you're happy being a square who prefers being physically healthy than socially adored, then sure, don't light up. But if you're a rebel at heart who likes to live on the edge and gains the adoration and attention of everyone else who is cool, then get your ass down to the convenience store and get yourself a hard pack of Marlboros.

Smoking makes you thin while it kills you too, so it has that going for it.


I had a friend who started smoking last week, and this week he found a crisp $20 bill in his sofa cushions.
 
2014-01-17 12:22:08 PM

stevenboof: m3000: Does it cause assholes too, or do smokers just start out that way?

/the smoke doesn't magically disappear just because your outside
// amazed at how often smokers are offended when I politely ask them not to light up since it's blowing right at me

I guess that's much easier than just moving upwind from them.  Do you also politely ask drivers to not allow their cars to run around you?


I agree with you to a point.

But people who light up while waiting in a line are selfish pricks.
 
2014-01-17 12:23:14 PM

flynn80: Is it really the smoking or is all the chemical additives?


Oh, goddamn this stupid shiat so much. TOBACCO SMOKE IS TOXIC AS HELL. Farking' stupid hipsters trying to act healthy by smoking artisanal organic tobacco should be stomped into a mudhole.
 
2014-01-17 12:23:52 PM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Crudbucket: So? Anybody still smoking obviously doesn't give a shiat.

*ding*, nailed it.

The generation that grew up thinking smoking was 'ok' has pretty much all died of of old age, or smoking related illnesses.

If you're smoking now, you knew the risks before you started, and did it anyway.

BTW, I have no problems with smokers.


Well that whole "incredibly addictive" thing doesn't hurt either.   My parents , at least for my whole life were fairly rabid anti-smokers, Dad in particular couldn't even stand to be in a smoky room because of his chronic Asthma.  Come to find out, they were both formerly heavy smokers and quit when mom got regnant with me  (though I have four older siblings).  Dad told me once recently that even though it has been over 40 years since he last lit up, if he wakes up groggy he'll find himself unconsciously reaching on the nightstand for the lighter and pack of cigs he used to keep there.
 
2014-01-17 12:24:25 PM
The real crime about smoking is the high amount of taxes on each pack.
 
2014-01-17 12:24:37 PM
Smoking is endorsed by top-notch athletes, Mr. "Waaahhhh.! Smoke bothers me!" - girly man.

meristemi.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-01-17 12:26:01 PM

CtrlAltDestroy: m3000: Does it cause assholes too, or do smokers just start out that way?

/the smoke doesn't magically disappear just because your outside
// amazed at how often smokers are offended when I politely ask them not to light up since it's blowing right at me

My wants > your wants + I need my next nicotine fix = asshat smoker.

The one's who realize that most non smokers find the effects of their drug addiction (smell from smoke, etc) to be something from unpleasant to vile tend to be kind enough to stick to the golden rule. Don't annoy others as you wouldn't want to be annoyed. They're not smoke around others or stand downwind or something to that effect.

It's the entitled dick bags who I have a problem with. The ones who think that their desire to smoke comes before all, that no one could possible find it to be so offensive to their senses, and that you simply don't matter when their wants come into play that need to die in a fire.

Smokers, please remember that the smell lingers. You might not be able to smell it anymore, as your often engulfed in it and your senses deaden to it, but non smokers absolutely can. It embeds itself in your clothes, in your car, and in the very walls. I used to be able to tell which co-worker was walking behind me at my desk fresh from a smoke break by what kind of cigarettes they smelled like. My mom had a box of documents in her bedroom in a cabinet. She used to smoke in there a lot. Years later, when that box spent a decade in storage I opened it to look for something and was hit hard by the smell of cigarette smoke. My ex knew when I came back from visiting my mom because she could smell the lingering smoke on my clothes simply from being in her house.

Many of us find it to be quite unpleasant. If you don't then don't be a douche about it. It's no different than complaining about the person in the next apartment playing loud music all night.

Smoking has ZERO positive effects. It only as negative effects. And no, the calming eff ...


Do you notice the difference between your post and  m300?  Yours clearly differentiates between asshole smokers and non-assholes, unlike m3000 who just wants to call every smoker an asshole.  When I smoke at work, I don't light up until I am about five feet from the garbage dumpster, yet to him/her, I am still an asshole.
 
2014-01-17 12:26:20 PM
You know what smokers like? When they light up near you, and you roll your eyes and give them the "Really? Are you that farking retarded?" look. They love that.
 
2014-01-17 12:27:24 PM

Perrybucsdad: So basically, smoking can cause every known malady to mankind except anal seepage.... well, that's good news at least.


It's like reverse Snake-oil or something...perhaps we can sell in in a travelling anti-medicine show...
 
2014-01-17 12:28:13 PM

offmymeds: Smoking is endorsed by top-notch athletes, Mr. "Waaahhhh.! Smoke bothers me!" - girly man.

[meristemi.files.wordpress.com image 486x700]



That thin guy is being chased by a hungry fat guy. RUN, THIN GUY, RUN!
 
2014-01-17 12:28:13 PM

Rapmaster2000: FunkOut: Hard to imagine that constantly inhaling smoke particles from industrially processed plant leaves that can be used as an insecticide could be harmful.

Look, we get it that smoking is bad, but the fact that nicotine is used by plants as a defense against insects isn't in of itself anything to freak out about.

This just makes you sound like one of those ZOMG CHEMICALS people.  I would avoid it.


No, it doesn't. That hysterical panicky tone is something you imagined. Try reading it in a dry, sarcastic tone. Seriously, inhaling smoke particles from a chemically treated inedible plant? Very silly idea.

I'm speaking as a gardener and someone who took biology courses pertaining to agricultural pest management. Speaking of pesticides, tobacco needs a heavy hand with the sprays to keep away aphids - those little buggers will bite the leaves, leaving open sores than can be gateways for tobacco mosaic virus, that prolific decimator of Solancaea crops.
 
2014-01-17 12:28:33 PM
I only dated one smoker in my life, briefly. It was like kissing a wet ashtray. Yuck.

Sad Story Bro: My dad smoked for 30 years, then quit for another 30 years. Lung cancer got him anyway.
 
2014-01-17 12:29:31 PM

Rapmaster2000: FunkOut: Hard to imagine that constantly inhaling smoke particles from industrially processed plant leaves that can be used as an insecticide could be harmful.

Look, we get it that smoking is bad, but the fact that nicotine is used by plants as a defense against insects isn't in of itself anything to freak out about.

This just makes you sound like one of those ZOMG CHEMICALS people.  I would avoid it.


Not quite the same thing.  Nicotine is actually pretty toxic and in relatively low quantities.
 
2014-01-17 12:30:01 PM
And they have been actively working to make them worse. Nice.
 
2014-01-17 12:31:02 PM

ToastmasterGeneral: stevenboof: m3000: Does it cause assholes too, or do smokers just start out that way?

/the smoke doesn't magically disappear just because your outside
// amazed at how often smokers are offended when I politely ask them not to light up since it's blowing right at me

I guess that's much easier than just moving upwind from them.  Do you also politely ask drivers to not allow their cars to run around you?

I agree with you to a point.

But people who light up while waiting in a line are selfish pricks.


There is a certain subset of the smoking population that are selfish pricks, just like every other group out there.  That being said, maybe places like restaurants and bars could put their ashtrays ten feet or so away from the entrance of the building so I don't feel like an ass for smoking right at the entrance.
 
2014-01-17 12:32:07 PM

m3000: Does it cause assholes too, or do smokers just start out that way?

/the smoke doesn't magically disappear just because your outside
// amazed at how often smokers are offended when I politely ask them not to light up since it's blowing right at me


Oh, god.

Stand somewhere else and get on with your life. You sound like my sister.
 
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